RootsChat.Com

Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: aus*jen on Sunday 18 September 11 09:29 BST (UK)

Title: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 18 September 11 09:29 BST (UK)
Hi all,   Looking for birth details of my gr.grandfather James GIBBS  in South Australia around 1844.
            father Thomas GIBBS farmer, mother Elizabeth, maiden name unknown.   

             He married in Sydney 28/5/1884  age stated as 41 years, birthplace ADELAIDE

             On birth certificates of 2 children  1884 age stated as 42 years, his birthplace Mt. Torrens
                                                                                                                             Adelaide S.A.
                                                                   1886 age stated as 44 years   same birthplace
                                                                   
             died 24/7/1904  age 60 years

  I contacted Tea Tree Gully Library, S.A. where birth records for this district are held.  They could not
  find any record of his birth.

  could someone help with this ?   Also have no information on his parents, can find no record of a
   Thomas GIBBS arriving in S.A.  can anyone help with this?  convict ???

   thanks,   best wishes,   Jen       
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: sue21757 on Sunday 18 September 11 10:50 BST (UK)
There is an interesting article at the bottom of the page.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38452488

Cheers Sue
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Sunday 18 September 11 11:50 BST (UK)
Thankyou Sue,  That certainly is a dismal story.

I have this:-   Cairns and district FHS "pioneers and settlers register for Nth Qld to 1920"

                      James Gibbs ....his parents are Thomas and Elizabeth, issue one son James Gibbs,
                      died 20th July 1904 Watsonville,  residents Herberton 1882, California Creek 1881,
                      Watsonville 1884.

                       no mention of any siblings.  Family always thought he was an only child.
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 18 September 11 12:54 BST (UK)
Hi Jen,

I can't see a birth or any children born to a Thomas and Elizabeth. Unfortunately a lot of our early births were not registered.

There is a Thomas arriving in 1840

http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1840CharlesKerr.gif

BISA

GIBBS Thomas born about 1804 died 2 Oct 1900 buried Kingston SE arrived by  1858 occupation Farmer residence Mt Benson religion Meth
married 1. unknown children Thesa, Nelson, 8 children
married 2.  Mary born about 1834 IRL died 12 Jan 1927
children Wm 1846-1926, Saml 1858-1917, Harriet 1863, Mary HOCKING 1865-1960, Isaac 1871-1953, Lavinia,
Sarah, 5 children

The passengers list states they were from Vernham's Dean Hampshire

Thomas GIBBS = Elizabeth HUGHES 1 Sep 1832 Vernhams Dean

Thyrza baptised 18 Jun 1837 Vernhams Dean

Sorry I don't see a death for Elizabeth, so can't say if this may be the family you are after.

Thomas GIBBS 41 Widow father unrecorded = Mary Ann IRVING 19 Unm father unrecorded 12 Mar 1855 Trinity Church Adelaide Dist Ade 22/30

The 9 children of Thomas and Mary Ann IRWIN/EVERING were all born in the South East 1855-1873

Cheers Kris  :)
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 18 September 11 13:12 BST (UK)
I note this tree gives some births Lobethal and Gumeracha (Proximity of Mt Torrens)

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kathgen/surnames/397.htm

This tree lists Elizabeth's Death as 18 Jun 1854...there is a death listed as HUGHES  :-\

Elizabeth HUGHES died 18 Jun 1854 not recorded Dist Ade 3 69. She was aged 55 status, relative, residence not listed.

Cheers Kris  :)

Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 18 September 11 13:29 BST (UK)
MMM There was the baptism of Elizabeth listed to Thomas and Susannah in Vernham Dean but it was after the marriage to Elizabeth (29 Sep 1833)

Kris  :)
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: cando on Sunday 18 September 11 13:54 BST (UK)
Quote
He married in Sydney 28/5/1884  age stated as 41 years, birthplace ADELAIDE

Marriage notice states James was the second son of Thomas GIBBS of Adelaide.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f4p/

Cando

Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Monday 19 September 11 00:54 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much Kris for all your help, I will work through all that info.

Cando, that is a great find!    The marriage notice would possibly have been placed by the couple
as it was in Brisbane Courier possibly on their way to Nth Qld where children were born.  Reference to
"second son" is significant

The marriage was in St. Francis catholic church.  Catholic marriages usually require baptism certificates,
maybe there is a baptism record for James in early church records.  There is no record of birth registration
for wife Margaret JENNINGS in NSW either.  At last I know she was the eldest daughter so I can place
her in correct order amongst her 13 siblings and have an idea of her birth year.
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: cando on Monday 19 September 11 02:24 BST (UK)
Mentioned in the news item linked by Sue that Elizabeth GIBBS died 9 Jun 1851 and buried Mt Crawford chapel yard [Mt Crawford Cemetery].  There is no death registration for Elizabeth on that day or burial record at Mt Crawford.
 
Perhaps the Catholic Archives in SA may have parish records to assist you further.
http://www.adelaide.catholic.org.au/sites/Archives/

Australian Electoral Roll
1903  Qld
GIBBS James  Post Office Hotel  Watsonville  Licensed victualler
GIBBS Margaret  Post Office Hotel  Watsonville   Domestic duties

Short obituary for James GIBBS
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f4v/

Cando
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: cando on Monday 19 September 11 02:39 BST (UK)

The marriage notice would possibly have been placed by the couple
as it was in Brisbane Courier possibly on their way to Nth Qld where children were born.  Reference to
"second son" is significant

Also published
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f4w/

and coming soon

Australian Town and Country Journal (NSW : 1870 - 1900) Saturday 7 June 1884 p 45 Family Notices
GIBBS-JENNINGS.-May 28, at St. Francis Church, Sydney, by tho Rev. Father M'Keanan, James, second son of Thomas Gibbs, ...

Cando

Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: krisesjoint on Monday 19 September 11 02:54 BST (UK)
Application for free travel application 7076, embarkation no 4247

Thomas GIBBS (woodsman) 1 Male 28, 1 female 24, and 2 daughters aged 7 and 2

Ship Charles Kerr 17 Jun 1840

Seems to fit the two baptisms apart from mother of Elizabeth being listed as Susannah. Would pay to check that entry to see if the transcription is correct.

Cheers Kris  :)
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Monday 19 September 11 06:11 BST (UK)
Hi Cando,  Thanks so much for all the extra info. most of it is new to me.   Just a comment on 1851 death
                 of wife of Thomas Gibbs in news item posted by Sue.  No wife's name is mentioned and you
                  mention there is no record for Elizabeth Gibbs burial at Mt. Crawford.  There is the possibility
                  that this lady was not Elizabeth Gibbs.  It would be good to know who she was.  It is such a sad
                   story.

Thanks again Kris,   You have given me some great info. on Thomas GIBBS arriving SA 1840.  All the dates
                   seem to fit.  Just need to connect my ancestor.
 
                  Kind regards,     Jen
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: cando on Monday 19 September 11 07:22 BST (UK)
There was one GIBBS death registered in South Australia in 1851 and it was the death of a child.

There are no GIBBS burials recorded at Mt Crawford.

There is also a mention of a Thomas GIBBS, Edgehill Farm who signed a petition in 1850.  Other petitioners addresses were Gumeracha and surrounding areas.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f4z/


Application for free travel application 7076, embarkation no 4247

Thomas GIBBS (woodsman) 1 Male 28, 1 female 24, and 2 daughters aged 7 and 2

Ship Charles Kerr 17 Jun 1840

Seems to fit the two baptisms apart from mother of Elizabeth being listed as Susannah. Would pay to check that entry to see if the transcription is correct.

Cheers Kris  :)

Quote
Elizabeth HUGHES died 18 Jun 1854 not recorded Dist Ade 3 69. She was aged 55 status, relative, residence not listed.

Noticed the age at death of the Elizabeth HUGHES from the online tree does not match the age of the wife of Thomas on the Application for free travel.

I wonder if the local history group could help you further
http://www.gumeracha.com.au/history/index.htm

Cando



Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Monday 19 September 11 13:42 BST (UK)
Thanks for those references, Cando.  Will try the historical society.  I also noticed the discrepancy in the
ages of Elizabeth.  Also found a death for an Elizabeth GIBBS 3/6/1885 aged 76 buried Nailsworth North
Road Anglican cemetery, doesn't seem to have a headstone.  Apart from the death of Thomas Gibbs
in 1900 Mt. Benson, buried Kingston S.E. cemetery can you see any other deaths for a Thomas Gibbs
in S.A. in this timeframe?   Looked at 1841 census, no relevant entries.

Regards,   Jen
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: NEVILLE GIBBS on Wednesday 06 April 16 00:21 BST (UK)
Thomas Gibbs , wife and 2 children sailed to Australia in the Charles Kerr . Leaving London 6-3-1840 and arrived Adelaide 17-6-1840 .
Wife   Elizabeth Hughes married 1-9-1832 Vernham Dean . Hampshire .
Children   Elizabeth ( daughter of Thomas and Susannah  from previous marriage ) and Thurza . A son Charles was born during the voyage.
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Friday 08 April 16 05:51 BST (UK)
Thankyou for your response Neville,  over the past 5 years, with the help of the info. given
to me by Rootschatters I have established that my gr.grandfather James Gibbs was the second
son of Thomas Gibbs and Elizabeth Hughes.  He was born in Mt. Torrens, S.A.  Elizabeth died in
tragic circumstances in 1851.  I will send you a P.M.

Regards,
Jen.
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: NEV GIBBS on Wednesday 13 September 17 01:08 BST (UK)
Hi Jen
Wondering what progress you have made with family tree
I have a query on James , could you please PM me
Regards
Neville
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Wednesday 13 September 17 04:04 BST (UK)
Hi Neville,   I have sent you a PM.  Hope you receive it, it is possible you have 2 names for
                Rootschat one as Neville Gibbs and one as Nev Gibbs.  I have sent the PM to
                the first one as your have 5 posts registered which should allow a PM to be sent.

Best wishes,
Jen.
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: NEV GIBBS on Wednesday 13 September 17 05:56 BST (UK)
Hi Jen
Could you try the other address please . I have lost access to the first .
Regards
Neville
Title: Re: Birth GIBBS - S.A. help please
Post by: aus*jen on Wednesday 13 September 17 23:30 BST (UK)
Hi Neville,   I have sent another PM to the second address, hope that works - if not send
                1 more post and you should be OK to receive a PM.

Regards,
Jen.