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Title: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: NDRFT on Tuesday 11 October 11 16:53 BST (UK)
Hi everyone

I am stuck!
I have the above man who was born in Bethnal Green, Middlesex Jan 1869then nothing until he pops up in 1890 at Torpoint, Cornwall where he married Mary Roberts Reg Q1 v5b p455 Plymouth.

Can't find him in any census until 1911 by which time he is still living in the South West with Mary and 6 children all of whom were born down there as well.

In 1911 his occupation is Retired Navy keeper of Register so he was almost certainly at sea for some of his life and perhaps took his wife with him on occasion. But I can't see him in 1871 onwards - is it me?????

I wonder if anyone else has him or his family in their tree? Or perhaps has the time to take a look and see if he can be located anywhere please?

Thanks for reading this

Nigel
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 11 October 11 16:57 BST (UK)
There is a George Greenhow aged 2 in Bethnal Green in 1871  ???  ???

RG 10 / 497 / 55 / 15
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: TomRees on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:02 BST (UK)
Do you have the 1890 marriage details (father etc)

Oldest child details please.
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:11 BST (UK)
Mary and three children are in Cornwall in 1901
RG 13 / 2187 / 53 / 45

Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: NDRFT on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:48 BST (UK)
Hi TomR
No I don't have the parents names and shall expect to have to buy the cert.
The marriage was registered Q1 v5b p455 Plymouth.

NDRFT
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: NDRFT on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:49 BST (UK)
Hi JenB

I have the family in 1901 and suspect George was at sea, but no RN census found - yet!!

I shall have a look at the 1871 page you suggest.

Many thanks

Nigel
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: NDRFT on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:53 BST (UK)
JenB

Just looked at that page and can't be sure it is them as HENRY GEORGE is offered not George William.
Got any suggestions please?
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: crimea1854 on Wednesday 12 October 11 16:14 BST (UK)
Hi

Try downloading his RN service record, while it will have no family information it may help trace his movements. In the link below I've included all Greeno' since I'm sure some will be relatives.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=last_name%3dgreeno&catid=15&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*&sortspec=first%5Fdate+asc

He may well be a Coastguard in Ireland, which would explain why you cannot find him on the Census.

Martin
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: NDRFT on Wednesday 12 October 11 16:23 BST (UK)
Hi Martin
Dugghh of course the NA - what a star you are for that and yes he is listed as is his brother - brilliant Thank you so much
Cheers
Nigel
Title: Re: George William GREENO B Jan 1869 - lost in census
Post by: hurworth on Monday 11 December 17 05:36 GMT (UK)
NDRFT -Did you ever get to the bottom of this and were you able to confirm who George's parents were?

If this is the George Greeno whose birth was registered in Bethnal Green in 1869 with a MMN of Gay, then I think something is amiss unless David Greeno, the father, was keeping two households. 

GREENS, GEORGE       GAY     Order
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN  Volume 01C  Page 244

This thread has a little about a David Greeno in Bethnal Green. 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777711.9

There is a marriage between David Greeno and Eunice Sarah Gay in Bethnal Green on 27 August 1850.  They both are 19 years old.  It says her father is Charles Gay and his is a weaver called Thomas Greeno.  I think the father's name was recorded inccorectly because the Poor Law and Removal Settlement Records a year later say David's father James was of Bethnal Green. 

Four days later at the same church Ann Driscoll married Dennis Donovan.  They all appear on the same page of the marriage index and it appears people have put two and two together and decided that David Greeno married Ann Driscoll (because that fits in nicely with his "wife" Ann from Lyme Regis who is with him in 1861, 1871 and 1881). 
 
I can't find a marriage of a David Greeno to an Ann.  I suspect David and Ann didn't marry because he was still legally married to Eunice/Sarah Gay.  So I'm wondering whether David is the father of the other Greeno children from about 1861 onwards or did he and Eunice/Sarah have an agreement to register the children as theirs so they wouldn't be illegitimate?  Or perhaps the registrar asked "what is your wife's name" and wrote that down, and assumed that his wife was the mother of his child, and vice versa. 

I'm still missing an Ann Tucker from Lyme Regis who was born in 1833.  I think she could be Ann Greeno.