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Hi Everyone,,,,
I'm back with another query to find this elusive aunt of whom you all
have kindly helped me with in the past, she emmigrated to NY in 1930
from UK and believe she lived & worked in NJ as a domestic-servant,
she made 3-4 trips back to Scotland in the first 5yrs info I was given
by you all,,now I have found info on Ancestry which is a good bet it is
her,,also found on Soc/Seg death index info which may be her,so if any
one can help uncover this mystery I will be eternally grateful,,
Status; Mary Thomson Turner;
DOB; 16 Feb 1908
Place; Partick,Glasgow,Scotland,UK
Parents; Daniel Turner & Isabella Wilson Cowieson;
Soc/Seq index says Mary T.Turner died 1995 Cape May,NJ; # issued
Pennsylvania; US Citizenship granted 27 Aug,1941 in Philadelphia
Penn. says Mary age 33yrs. which would be correct with her yr of birth.
Can anyone check the citizenship record and let me know if it gives
any of the details above,and perhaps an address or next of kin,,,
Appreciate all your help as always,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; ::) ;)
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Hi Janey,
Mary Turner 5521 Hadfield Street. Philadelphia. PA. Age 33 years.
Date of admission:- 27-8-41 US Dist Court Philadelphia.
Petition No:- 151388
Sandra
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WOW ,,,, thank you so much Sandra for your quick reply,
can I ask just one more favour,, is it possible for me to
obtain a copy of this Petition,,?? and if so , where do I
get it,,???
Do these applications for citizenship list parents or occupation,
I can understand if Mary later moved back to NJ, we had many
cousins living there and in New York City area,but nobody had
any contact with her for years so the mystery continues.
I put an note on find a grave for a look up at a cemetery in Cape
May,NJ.but no luck so far,so any info is a bonus at this point,,,
Appreciate all your help with this ,,thanks again
Kind regards;
Janey; 8)
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There is information here about getting naturalization records for the US District Court in Philadelphia: http://www.archives.gov/midatlantic/public/family-history.html#naturalization
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There is information here about getting naturalization records for the US District Court in Philadelphia: http://www.archives.gov/midatlantic/public/family-history.html#naturalization
Thank you very much Shellyesq for this info I have emailed them for
details on copies of certificate,,will keep ya posted,,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; ::)
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Hi Shellyesq;
Just to let ya know I got the info on the Mary Turner,Philly; sad to say
it was not my lost aunt,,this one wrong parents and born Ireland,,,,
so it's back to the drawing-board so to speak,,,,
Another relative suggested our Mary stayed around the NYCity area
and may have passe away in mid 1980's,,,,
Appreciate your help,,if anyone has ideas I'm open,,thanks
Kind regards;
Janey; ::)
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Here is the prior thread on Mary, in case anyone wants to take a look: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,419549.0.html
Typically, in that time frame, there are manifest markings indicating that the person sought naturalization. I don't see any on Mary's first voyage, so I'm inclined to think she wasn't naturalized unless it was via marriage.
The 1932, 1933, & 1935 passenger lists said Mary was returning to 2 East 91st Street, New York City.
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Bunch of thanks Shellyesq for that little bit of info ie;address,,,
I do know that Aunt Mary travelled back to Scot for a visit in '1933'
joined by my other 'Aunt Jane Thomson' and two other girlfriends
who may have been Scots or Irish, don't know their names,all the
girls were in domestic-service jobs,,the only one I know where is
Aunt Jane,she was in service to the 'Woolf-Family' on West End Ave
Manhattan,from 1930 to 1936 when she left to get married,she
became a citizen in 1947.Family history is there was a 'falling-out'
as Aunt Mary Turner broke off her engagement to Robert Thomson
brother of 'Jane',,,,,Robert was working in NY but sailed back to Scot.
between 1934-36,,he later married 'Nellie Turner' sister of Mary,,,and
Mary was never talked about again,,,,I've always wondered what ever
happened to her,,she stayed in USA but I don't know if she married,,
The mystery continues,,,,
Appreciate all help and ideas,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; ::)
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Hi Janey,
Just went back over some of those passenger lists again and noted the same address as Shelly did above. Perhaps you have this information but that address belonged to Marys employer Louise Carnegie. The address 2 East 91st Street at Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, was the Carnegie Mansion.
Here is a picture and some details below -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie,_Andrew,_Mansion
Louise Carnegie (born 1857) appears on many passenger lists to the UK. I think her full name was Louise Whitfield Carnegie.
Louise Whitfield Carnegie. Died New York 1946.
Father - John W Whitfield and Mother - Fannie Davis Whitfield
Spouse - Andrew Carnegie.
Source:- England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
On Monday June 24 th 1946 at her residence in New York City, Louise Whitfield Carnegie widow of Andrew Carnegie, daughter of the late John W and Fannie davis Whitfield of New York xxxxxxxx (some text missing here because it was over written with 27-6-1946 - mother of Margaret Carnegie Miller.
There may have been a few connections to Scotland but one was the marriage of Louise Miller to James Frederick Gordon Thomson a 41 years old Edinburgh lawyer) Louise Miller was 18 years old and heiress to part of a $30,000,000 steel fortune of her grandfather Andrew Carnegie. They married at Dornoch. Scotland
Many articles on the Carnegie family on http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
(Just incase you might be interested)
This shows Andrew Carnegie Scottish Connections
http://www.scotcities.com/carnegie/andrew.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carnegie/gallery/carnegieman.html
Looking at the 1920 census Louise Carnegie (1857) had many staff - butler and servants from Scotland.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra; "WOW",,I can't believe it,aunt Mary working for the'Carnegie's'
That would have been a feather in her cap for sure,,,she made trips back
to see her family every year for a number of them,,guess she was paid
well in those days,,,,
When I was a kid growing up in Scot.we were reminded we were NOT
the 'Carnegie's' ,, ::)
My mother had a cousin who was a Butler in NY around 1925-30 named
Archibald Backhouse,his wife a maid,Jean Wilson Backhouse,we got told
stories how they went to 'Bermuda' for winter's,,,,
Can you see the names of any other servants where you found aunt Mary ???
I knew Andrew/C was Scottish so I'll give a look at their site,,,mucho thanks
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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1910 Census - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M53N-XGJ
1920 Census - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJB5-Q37
Sandra
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My mother had a cousin who was a Butler in NY around 1925-30 named
Archibald Backhouse,his wife a maid,Jean Wilson Backhouse,we got told
stories how they went to 'Bermuda' for winter's,,,,
Can see a WW2 Draft for Archibald Backhouse born 26th May 1888 Scotland and residing at 21 East 79 th NY.
Employer Orville Davies 1775 Broadway NY
An Archibald Backhouse (retired) with that same birth date travelled back to the UK in 1956 to 135 Hebden Rd. West Derby. Liverpool.
Archibald Backhouse
Born 26 th may 1888 and died October 1968
Last Residence: 10009 New York.
SSN was issued in New York (1962)
Sandra
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Hi Sandra; That is our "Archie" alright,he was my Mother's first cousin,
although he was too old we heard he had to register for the 'Draft' in
NY,,,,,I didn't have a death date for him so thanks a bunch for that,I'll
fill in the TREE,,,,,
I think aunt Mary arrived in NY in May/1930,,would the 1930 Census
have already been taken,, ??? I wondered if the Carnegie Mansion
would have been her first position,,,
I looked at those census sites you gave and see what a number of
servants they had,,but it is a huge mansion,,, ::)
Thanks again Sandra,if you ever find anymore info on aunt Mary would
appreciate it as always,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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April 1st was the date of the 1930 Census, so Mary would have missed it. The 1940 Census comes out this April, so maybe that will give you some more information.
On the Social Security Death Index, there are lots of women named Mary with that birthdate. Out of them, the only one with a last residence in New York City was Mary Ryan, died Apr. 1985, last residence Brooklyn, New York, zip code 11215, Social Security number issued in New York before 1951. There are a few other Marys listed with that birth date who lived in towns relatively near New York City & died in the mid-80's.
The SSDI also has another Mary Ryan with a last residence in Brooklyn, who was born in 1907 and also died in Apr. 1985. Just mentioning that in case someone finds an obituary/death notice for a Mary Ryan and it's unclear if she's your Mary Turner.
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Thanks a big bunch Sandra and Shelly for all your fantastic help with
my request,you guy's are the greatest,,,,,
I will be waiting on the 1940 US Census this coming Apr hoping it
may give me a clue to Mary if she was still at the mansion.,,,,
I do know from family history she never made any trips to Scot.after
WW2 started,we heard she became a citizen mid-late 1940's,,,she had
an uncle Hugh Forrester Thomson out in Kearney,NJ. relating her to
the Thomson's,we thought her middle-name was Thomson,,my mother
was a Thomson also,we came to Canada in 1952 and as families go lost
touch with a lot of 'the clan',,, :'( in those days families could not afford
to visit relatives even in USA
Aunt Mary's father died Scot 1967 and her mother 1975 and far as we
know she never went home for their funeral,,,
My thanks again and I'll keep digging if I find anything on Mary will
keep ya posted,,
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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Hi,
I've checked out the Scotlands People site for you. The 1911 Scottish Census shows your aunt Mary living with her parents Daniel and Bela and her older siblings Katie, George and Nellie in Partick. Daniel Turner is a joiner in the shipyards.
Hope this is helpful. You might be able to trace descendants of George Turner maybe?
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Hi Janeygee,
Came across an Obituary announcement for Archibald Backhouse. New York Times - 6 th October 1968
Backhouse - Archibald Backhouse, devoted husband of Jane (nee Wilson). Reposing at the Andrett Funeral Home, 353 2 nd Avnue, New York City. (at 20 th Street) until Tuesday at 2 pm. Religious and Masonic services, Monday 8 pm
Interment Maple Grove Cemetery.
Sandra
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Hi Janey,
New York Times - 11 October 1979
Backhouse - Jean (nee Wilson) at Chatham NJ on October 9th 1979, formerly of Stuyvesant. New York. devoted widow of Archibald Backhouse. Also survives by several Nieces and Nephews. Graveside service at Maple Grove Cemetery, Kew Gardens, Queens on Wednesday 17th October 1979 at 11 am.
Sandra
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Jean Backhouse. Born 9 April 1901 and Died October 1979
Last Residence: 10017 New York, New York, New York.
SSN issued: New York (1965-1966)
Sandra
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Date of birth is incorrect on this but it does look like Jean Backhouse.
Jean Backhouse - 9 th April 1891 ?? Aged 57
Naturalization Date: 7 Feb 1949
Residence: 655 park Avenue. New York, New York
New York Southern District - Petition Number - 574373
Alien Redg No:- 5658301
Sandra
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Archibald Backhouse. Born 1889 and aged 56 years
Naturalization Date: 23 May 1945
Residence: 655 Park Avenue. New York, New York
New York Southern District.
Petition Number - 514086
Sandra
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WOW Sandra,,I'm overwhelmed,, ::) this is fantastic history for
the tree ::) Archie/B went out to NY in 1925,,his occupation was
always a 'Butler' he had an uncle on his father's side who was
also one and trained him,, as a young girl in Scot my mother
told us how they all were amazed at cousin Archie's high-
faluting-ways ,he was older and a bit of a snob growing up,,
Archie had two brother's Joseph & Frank who followed to NY,
the family all came from humble beginnings in Partick,Glas/Scot.
Their parents James & Mary Bushe Backhouse both born Ireland.
Mary Bushe was my mother's aunt,,,sister of her mother,family
originated from Londonderry & Larne,,NI,,,,,
Last note Sandra, I think the DOB for Jane(Jean)Wilson Backhouse
is 1891, she and Archie were maid/butler for a family in Dumfrieshire
Scot. before emmigrating, they never had any children,I'll check my
files for confirmation,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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Archibald Backhouse. Born 1889 and aged 56 years
Naturalization Date: 23 May 1945
Residence: 655 Park Avenue. New York, New York
New York Southern District.
Petition Number - 514086
Sandra
Sandra,, ???
Any idea who would have resided at 655 Park Ave NY ??? that is quite
a swank address even in those days,,,
I am going to check out Maple Grove Cem. through Find a Grave,,,,
will keep ya posted,,,,
Janey,, ::)
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Hi Janey,
Can't seem to find anything for 655 Park Avenue, just expensive prices for apartments.
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/655-Park-Ave-APT-3A-New-York-NY-10065/2130830743_zpid/
Sandra
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Frank Bushe Backhouse. Born 19 November 1892 and aged 55 years
Naturalization Date: 7 Jun 1948
Residence: 953 fifth Avenue. New York,
New York Southern District Court - Petition 567264
Alin redg no - 7550612
Sandra
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Frank Bush Backhouse - 19 Nov 1892 Glasgow, Scotland
Residence: New York City (888 Park Avenue is crossed out)
Name and adddress of person who will always know him was Ralph E Penn, 315 Lincoln Place. Brooklyn.
Employer - Warren B Nash 888 Park Avenue, NYC
Sandra
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Frank Backhouse
Born 19 November 1892 and died November 1970
Last Residence: 33540 Zephyrhills, Pasco, Florida.
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
http://www.ancientfaces.com/research/person/17353188/frank-backhouse-profile-and-genealogy
Sandra
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Could this possibly be a wife for Frank ????
Elizabeth S. Backhouse
Born 23 April 1900 and died March 1994
Last Residence: 33540 Zephyrhills, Pasco. Florida.
SSN was issued in Rhode Island (Before 1951)
http://www.ancientfaces.com/research/person/6956880/elizabeth-s-backhouse-profile-and-genealogy
Sandra
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HI Sandra;
Where to begin to thank you for all the terrific info you found
on the Backhouse-clan who emmigrated from Scot/UK to NY
in 1920's,beside the brother's Archibald,Joseph,Francis(Frank)
James,who returned to UK in 1926 to get married,sister Esther
arrived 1927 and was resident at 179 W 87th Street,NYCity on
1930 Cen. later she married Andrew Irvine and they both were
in Dom/Serv for William Stephens, Hewlett,LI,Neck Village Nassau
County,NY.
As another favour Sandra can you see if you can find anything on
Esther & Andrew Irvine, and Joseph Backhouse who died 1975,
Kings NY,,possible spouse Annabelle ??? and daughter Nora Wilson
Backhouse,she died 2004 Queens,NY,,,, ::)
Your help is very much appreciated ,
Kind regards;
Janey; 8)
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Hi Janey,
There are a few passenger lists for Annabella and Nora. This looks like the death record for Annabella.
Annabelle Backhouse. 18 March 1902 and died January 1996
SSN: 079-22-9563
Last Residence: 11697 Far Rockaway, Queens, New York,
SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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The passenger list address given on those passenger lists - 311 85 th Street. Brooklyn ties in with a Naturalization for Annabella.
Annabella Backhouse. 18 Mrch 1902 and aged 49 years
Issue Date: 27 Dec 1951 - Eastern District of New York, District Court.
311 85 th Street. Brooklyn.
Petition No 496866
Sandra
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Nora doesn't appear to have married according to the death record but could of course have reverted to her maiden name ???
Nora Backhouse. 29 June 1934 and died 2 Feb 2004
Last Residence: 11697 Far Rockaway, Queens, New York.
SSN issued: New York (1951)
Parents marriage which you probably already have -
http://italiangen.org/NYCGROOMSRESULTS.asp
Nora last appears in 1952 on passenger lists. Maybe we might learn more about Nora when the 1940 Census comes out in a few months time.
Sandra
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Nora H. Backhouse
N.Y Telephone Co. Manager
Nora H. Backhouse, a longtime resident of Rockaway Point, passed away on February 2.
Backhouse, originally from Brooklyn, lived in Rockaway Point for several years and was retired from her job as a manager for the New York Telephone Company. She had served as a sacristan at St. Thomas More Church for a long time.
She was preceded in death by her parents, Joseph and Annabelle Blackhouse.
She is survived by her cousin, (name omitted for the moment)
Funeral arrangements were entrusted with the Denis S. O'Connor Funeral Home. Interment took place at St. Mary's Cemetery.
http://www.rockawave.com/news/2004-02-06/obits
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" Nora had served as a Sacristan at St. Thomas More Church " Wonder if it is worth contacting them to see if you could glean any further information. Perhaps the cousin went to the same Church ???
http://www.parishesonline.com/scripts/hostedsites/Org.asp?ID=11014
Sandra
Added - Does the surname "Tait" mean anything ?
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WOW Sandra;
you did it again,,I am so grateful for all this info,
funny about cousin Nora,family history was her middle name is
Wilson after her uncle Archie's wife Jean(her maiden name) Nora's
father Joe,(Archie's brother) sailed as crew on the "Cameronia"
a few times with my father,from Glasgow to NYC in 1920's ,,,,
We did not know Nora never married, ::) and I do not recognise
the name 'Tait',however looked at the 'obit' notice and got it from
there so will check it out,maybe someone married outside the clan
of Backhouse,, ???
Will also try and see if the church can tell me anything,,will keep ya
posted,,bunch of thanks again,, ;D
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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Andrew Irvine. Born 1904, aged 29 years, occupation butcher travelling New York to Glasgow, arriving 19 March 1933 on SS Cameronia. Also travelling Esther aged 28 years. Both going to 9 Lumsden Street. Overnewton. Glasgow. County of intended future residence is Scotland.
Sandra
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There are death notices for Archibald & Jean Backhouse in the New York Times.
Backhouse - Archibald, devoted husband of Jean (nee Wilson). Reposing at the Andrett Funeral Home, 353 2d Ave., New York City (at 20th St.) until Tuesday, 2 p.m. Religious and Masonic Services Monday 8 P.M. Internment Maple Grove Cemetery.
(6 Oct. 1968)
Backhouse - Jean (nee Wilson) at Chatham, N.J. on October 9, 1979, formerly of Stuyvesant, New York. Devoted widow of Archibald Backhouse. Also survived by several nieces and nephews. Graveside service at the Maple Grove Cemetery, Kew Gardens, Queens on Wednesday, October 17, 1979 at 11 AM.
(11 Oct. 1979)
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Next sighting - Andrew Irvine. Born about 1903 and aged 43 years. Merchant
Port of Departure: Orly, Paris, France to New York arriving 6 th August 1946 by Air France
Also travelling Esther aged 42 years (housewife) and James aged 10 years (student) All 3 have the address 3 Arthur Street. Glasgow. Scotland.
Have come across another entry with more detail will post when typed.
Sandra
The Obituaries/Death Notices are in replies 16 and 17 ;)
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Information Sheet for the 1946 journey.
Nearest relative in country from whence came - Euphemia Kent. 48 Penneld Road. Glasgow. Scotland. Purpose in going to the USA was Holiday for 3 months. Andrew was a fruit merchant. Destination was 3 Richmond Hill. 103/37 123 Street.
3 Arthur Street. Glasgow was the proposed future address.
State date and number of US Passport :- C / O James Irvine.
Passport expires - July 5 th 1951
Amount of money shown $750
Sandra
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Another small snippet for Joseph, all adds to the bigger picture.
Jaseph (as it was spelt) Daniel Backhouse. Born 1 st December 1902 and Aged 48 years
Issue Date: 3 Jan 1950
Eastern District of New York, District Court.
311 85 th Street Bk - Petition 465132
Alien Redg - 3813743
Sandra
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Another thought - Perhaps the Dennis O Connor Funeral Home. 204-25 Rockaway Point Blvd Rockaway Point, NY 11697 718-634-6357 who handled the funeral arrangements for Nora would be able to put you in touch with the cousin or pass a message on for you ???
Sandra
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WOW Sandra;
First let me tell "Roots Chat Mods" what an outstanding job
you have done providing all this terrific info on my 'cousin's
and my deep appreciation is now given,,I hope you get a 'Gold
Star' for this,,,,
I did know bits & pieces of the Backhouse history,now I can fill
in more of my tree.I remember Esther & Andrew Irvine had gone
back to Scot.and I have son James (b) 1936 there,, Andrew's father
died and they took over his Florist/Fruit/Store,,,I did not know of
their vacation back to NYC in 1946,,they would have stayed with
Andrew's brother James Irvine,he also emmigrated in 1920's,,,
Esther made another visit to NYC about 1956 after Andrew had died
staying with the cousins,,she passed away in Glasgow 1957,, :(Son
James Irvine passed away around 2002,last year I just found his
widow Margaret,and son Robert Irvine and corresponded with them.
Now for the news on Nora Backhouse, I emailed the parish church
got a reply asking me to write a letter instesd,so will do that,will
also try contacting the funeral home for info on that cousin ???
One last note Sandra, I have no idea who Euphemia Kent is ???
I know the names of the Backhouse wives/spouse's but she is
a new one,, ??? ::) Will keep ya posted on my progress,thanks
a big bunch again,, :)
Kind regards;
Janey; ;D
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Hi Janey,
Thank you very much for those kind words, blushing now ;)
Euphemia Kent is a very intriguing mystery. I don't know how popular the name Euphemia was at that time but I started searching to see what I could find that might give us a clue about her. Interestingly, there is a person of that name in Lackawanna, Erie, New York in 1930 with a husband John. Euphemia is from Scotland and seems to travel many times between Scotland and the USA, sometimes through Canada. Haven't gone through all her journey's yet but I am hoping to see if she could be the link, so will plod on with that angle for a while.
John Kent 28 Born Scotland. Married at 28 years. Immigrated 1924. AL. Elect welder at steel mill.
Euphemia Kent 24 Born Scotland. Married at 24 years. Immigrated 1928 AL.
Euphemia was born 27 th March 1906 in Glasgow. Scotland.
The SSDI shows a death record -
Euphemia Kent. Born 27th March 1906 and died 4 th May 2003
Last Residence: 34293 Venice, Sarasota, Florida. State (Year) SSN issued: New York (1967-1968)
On a couple of border crossing entries from Canada to the USA in 1941 and 1950 it shows Euphemia going to the address 351 Marilla Street, Buffalo 20. New York.
On a 1946 entry going to husband John at 551 Marilla Stret. Buffalo. Names a sister Jean Sirr, 41 Newland Avenue, Toronto. Ont. Stated Euphemia was resuming residence. Looks like she first landed in Montreal in 1928 on the Athenia. Had been in the USA before from 27/12/1929 until 8th Sept 1946.
Sandra
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Hi Janey,
Could be a "red-herring" but -------Can see an entry for a Euphemia Wilson who arrived from Glasgow to Quebec Canada on the Athenia 2 nd September 1928. Single. Shop Assistant. Father Mr Alexander Wilson. 150 Den Walk. Methil. Fife.
Could Euphemia be related to Jean/Jane Wilson who married Archibald ??
Sandra
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Hi Janey,
Think I have answered my own question about Euphemia - she was Euphemia Irvine - according to an anc.try tree she died in Glasgow 21 st October 1955.
So probably the sister of Andrew Irvine. ;D
Sandra
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James Irvine - Born 27 Apr 1899 in Glasgow, Scotland and Died 26 Jun 1952 in New York, NY.
Married to Margaret Wilson Walker - Born 17 Nov 1898 in Glasgow, Scotland and Died 6 Mar 1985 in Stamford, CT
Margaret Irvine. 17 November 1898 - March 1985
Last Residence: 06903 Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut,
SSN was issued: New York (Before 1951)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jvq/
Sandra
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YO Sandra; :o
I'm blown away by " Euphemia Kent " ??? I know Andrew Irvine
had a sister but I will have to double check the files as I thought
her name was "Helen"(b) 1904-6 Glasgow. ::)
Euphemia was a common name in those days,they were always named
after another 'rellie' ::) The one who died on 21Oct,1955 ??? I'll check
but I'm almost sure "Andrew" died in 1955 too ??? ,,,
Esther Backhouse Irvine was my Mother's first cousin, they were the
same age,grew up together, best friends, my Dad was best friends
with "Andrew" they grew up in the same Glas.area,that's how he met
Esther,,they were never apart and Esther was 'lost' when "Andy" died
she passed in 1957 we think of a broken-heart,,my family was out here
in Canada then so we never saw her,,,,,, :(
Now Sandra about James Irvine, this is weird,see what you think ???
Esther Backhouse Irvine had a brother James Backhouse(b)1891 Glas,
he went out to NY 1925 returned to Glas and married" Flora Wylie Walker"
29Jan,1926 her father was 'David' mother 'Agnes Jane Kerr',,I wonder
if Margaret Wilson Walker could be 'a rellie' ??? I see she remained in Ct,
USA.passing away 1985,,do you see any children to them,, ???
Last did you see ' a tree' on 'A,,,,try' for Backhouse or Irvine,, ??? ::)
I'm really filling up the pages here Sandra,,my thanks again,, :)
Kind regards;
Janey; ;)
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Hi Janey,
The tree seemed to be more for Irvine - only 1 Backhouse listed and that was Esther.
Margaret Wilson Walker was the daughter of James Walker (1872 Perth. Perthshire. - 1948) and Sarah Mulvagh (1867 - 1907)
The address for James Walker on Margaret's passenger list entry was 7 Crosslee Street. Cardonald.
James and Margaret Irvine only had 1 daughter in 1930 Manhattan, New York,
James Irvine 30 Born Scotland. Married at 22 yrs. Immigrated 1928. AL Houseman. Private Family
Margaret Irvine 31 Born Scotland. Married at 23 yrs. Immigrated 1929. Housekeeper. Rooming House.
Sarah Irvine 7 Born Scotland. Immigrated 1929. AL. (Now Deceased)
Robert Moore 26 Roomer
William Craddock 34 Roomer.
Sandra
Added James and Margaret lived at 34 Hope Street. Glasgow, prior to immigration.
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This was Sarah Irving.
Sarah I. Hamcke. Born 15 September 1922 and died 21 January 2005
Last Residence: 06794 Washington Depot, Litchfield, Connecticut,
SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)
Anc tree has photograph.
Sandra
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HI Sandra;
Had a look at my file for James Backhouse,occ;Butcher;res; 20 Chancellor
Street,Partick,Glas,(mar) Flora Wylie Walker;occ Chocolate -Packer; res;
3 Chancellor Street,Partick,Glas;(f) David Walker;occ Overseer.GPO. (m)
Agnes Jane Kerr; I can't say this is or is not the same Walker family,, ???
however the address in 'Cardonald' for Mgt Walker's father is miles away
from Partick on the other side of the River Clyde,, ::)
Now the other query is my mother & Esther B. had connections to the
Perthshire area growing up,all the 'rellies' spent summer holidays in
the wee village of 'Dunning' 8),,I have pictures of my mother & Esther
there and one of my aunt's taken with 'George Walker',,,Flora's brother. ::)
The mystery deepens,,eh,,, ???
Now for the Irvine family, I know that Hope St,Glas. is not that far from
where 'Andy's father had his wee shop,and I do know Andy's brother
James was in 'service to a family out in Hewlett,Long Is,NY as Esther
and him moved out there to work after they married in NYC.
Can you see any parents names for "James Irvine" ??? while I try to
find my file on Esther & Andy,, ::),,,
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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My Family Tree by owner MamaBut.
James Irvine 1860 and Euphemia Bell Laidlaw -Born 25 Sep 1863 in Scotland and Died 1938 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
WJS Family tree - someone with the same interest has a family tree - owner AnneinCT. (So could be connected to Sarah Irvine/Hamche ?)
1901 Scotland census shows a James and Euphemia Irvine at 111 Eagersham Street. Lanarkshire.
James Irvine 38 and Euphemia Irvine 37
June B Irvine 4 and James Irvine 2
Sandra
Added - Incase it helps - Anc. Public Member Trees are also searchable and viewable on the sister site, www.mundia.com.
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Hi Janey,
Just came across this enquiry which was made by AnneinCT - looks like last log in was today - maybe you can make contact through this link ??
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.scotland.dfs.general/5173/mb.ashx
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.irvine/610/mb.ashx
Sandra
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My Family Tree by owner MamaBut.
James Irvine 1860 and Euphemia Bell Laidlaw -Born 25 Sep 1863 in Scotland and Died 1938 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire.
WJS Family tree - someone with the same interest has a family tree - owner AnneinCT. (So could be connected to Sarah Irvine/Hamche ?)
1901 Scotland census shows a James and Euphemia Irvine at 111 Eagersham Street. Lanarkshire.
James Irvine 38 and Euphemia Irvine 37
June B Irvine 4 and James Irvine 2
Sandra
Added - Incase it helps - Anc. Public Member Trees are also searchable and viewable on the sister site, www.mundia.com.
You Did it Sandra,,this is parents of Andrew Irvine,I remember now
his mother was Euphemia(Phemie) I was thinking Ellie or Nellie,I'm sure
there was a sister with the 'Bell' as a middle name,, ???
I will contact this 'tree-member' and keep ya posted,,Bunch of thanks again 8)
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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"Now Sandra about James Irvine, this is weird,see what you think
Esther Backhouse Irvine had a brother James Backhouse(b)1891 Glas,
he went out to NY 1925 returned to Glas and married" Flora Wylie Walker"
29Jan,1926 her father was 'David' mother 'Agnes Jane Kerr',,
I can see David Walker with his parents - William Smith Walker 1833 - 1907 and Flora Wylie 1834 - 1901. Can also see he had a brother James born 1872 N Cumnock. Ayrshire who still lives with the parents in 1891 but not in 1901 ?
But the tree entry said Margaret Wilson Walker's father James was born Perth. Perthshire 1872 ?? We are looking for 1872 Ayrshire ?? So far I can't see another connection.
Sandra
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You Did it Sandra,,this is parents of Andrew Irvine,I remember now
his mother was Euphemia(Phemie) I was thinking Ellie or Nellie,I'm sure
there was a sister with the 'Bell' as a middle name,,
I will contact this 'tree-member' and keep ya posted,,Bunch of thanks again
Kind regards;
Janey;
Yes, they show a Jean Bell Irvine on the tree - no birth date but a death date of 1927 Glasgow. Married 18 June 1920 to Archibald Cameron McCorquodale.
Sandra
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Wonder if she was June B Bell on the 1901 Scotland Census (rather than Jean ) ???
Sandra
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Hi Sandra;
Waiting to hear back from the tree-member,,couldn't seem to access
the site to get a look at the picture ??? ::) wants you to sign up,,, :o
Well you have done a wonderful job so far,,I wonder if that name is
Jane(Jean) Bell Irvine,,can't see it as June,,eh ???,,,will see what the
lady in ' Ct,USA' says,,will keep ya posted,,,million thanks,,,
Kind regards;
Janey' 8) :)
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Hi Janey,
As far as I know, www.mundia.com may need you to sign up but it is still a free site giving access to public trees.
Sandra
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:) ::)
YO Sandra;
Good news, I went back into the site and signed up so I'm now a
first-class-member ::) in good standing 8) ;D
I had sent a message to the lady in Ct,US and just now got an answer
with her email-address, she is very anxious to hear from me, so we are
off to the races,, ;D will keep ya posted,,ok 8)
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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Fabulous - exciting time for you - can't wit for an update of how you get on.
Good Luck.
Sandra ;)
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:)
HI SANDRA;
Here I am to update ya on the good news of my Irvine/Backhouse
rellies,,got a nice email from Anne/CT and she sent me some pictures.
Sarah Irvine(b)1922 Partick,Glas,Scot; was her Granmother,,,,
daughterof James & Mgt Wilson/Walker Irvine,she passed away,2005
in CT/USA, she was an only child,there is a nice picture of her about '3'
yrs with her father James and I was just amazed at how much alike
Andrew & James Irvine were,they could have been twins,,,
She said her granmother made many trips back to Glasgow to visit the
family,she herself had met all the Irvine family, including my cousin
Esther,and son James,,she had spent some years at St.Andrews Unv.
though did not say what she studied.
There are some nice pictures of her Granparents,Sarah & Bill Haimke,
her parents,and an aunt. The special one is of my cousin Esther taken
in the 'wee-shop' they ran until they passed away,it's lovely to see and
brought back memories of my childhood ,it had to be taken after '1945'
as that is when my brother & I would go there to pick up the 'Fruit-Box'
Esther would have made up for us.
Have to say Sandra all that wonderful Irvine history you found for me
I passed on to 'Anne' and she was very pleased as she said it was all
new to her,she only had some of her granmother Sarah,Grt/Granparents James & Margaret, and she did know about Jane Bell Irvine McCorquodale
died 1927 of "TB' and "Archibald' remarried a "Christina ?? there were
some children and Anne said the McCord/kids are out here in Canada,
she gave me their 'tree' address which I will get in touch.
I told her James son of Esther/Andrew passed away 2000 but wife Margaret still lived on same street as my late brother,neighbors for 30yrs,
I said I visited her when I was over in 2010.
I will try to scan her the pictures I have of Esther & Andrew,and let ya know
any more info she sends,,ok,,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; :) 8)
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Oh Janey, so delighted for you - one of those moments that brings tears to your eyes. The photographs will be treasured, so pleased you made contact with AnneCT. Thank you so much for the update, feel sure you are going to learn more and more now, how exciting for you. ;D If you have any blanks or need further help, always pleased to have a look around.
Regards
Sandra
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:) 8)
HI SANDRA;
A wee quick note to let ya know I just received couple of day's
ago a reply to my enquiry from "Dennis O'Connor Funeral/Direct
Rockaway Pt Blvd,NY in regards to my asking them to contact the
"Catherine Tait" cousin mentioned in my cousin "Nora W.Backhouse"
obit notice,,,,,,
Reply was signed 'Vincenzo' for "O'Connor/Funl/Direct' and he said
he has sent my email/address to Catherine,,,,good news eh,,,,
Will let ya know if I hear from them,,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; ::) ;D
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Hi Janey,
Just went back over some of those passenger lists again and noted the same address as Shelly did above. Perhaps you have this information but that address belonged to Marys employer Louise Carnegie. The address 2 East 91st Street at Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, was the Carnegie Mansion.
Here is a picture and some details below -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie,_Andrew,_Mansion
Louise Carnegie (born 1857) appears on many passenger lists to the UK. I think her full name was Louise Whitfield Carnegie.
Louise Whitfield Carnegie. Died New York 1946.
Father - John W Whitfield and Mother - Fannie Davis Whitfield
Spouse - Andrew Carnegie.
Source:- England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
On Monday June 24 th 1946 at her residence in New York City, Louise Whitfield Carnegie widow of Andrew Carnegie, daughter of the late John W and Fannie davis Whitfield of New York xxxxxxxx (some text missing here because it was over written with 27-6-1946 - mother of Margaret Carnegie Miller.
There may have been a few connections to Scotland but one was the marriage of Louise Miller to James Frederick Gordon Thomson a 41 years old Edinburgh lawyer) Louise Miller was 18 years old and heiress to part of a $30,000,000 steel fortune of her grandfather Andrew Carnegie. They married at Dornoch. Scotland
Many articles on the Carnegie family on http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
(Just incase you might be interested)
This shows Andrew Carnegie Scottish Connections
http://www.scotcities.com/carnegie/andrew.htm
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carnegie/gallery/carnegieman.html
Looking at the 1920 census Louise Carnegie (1857) had many staff - butler and servants from Scotland.
Sandra
HI SANDRA;
Just re-looking at these posts and wonder if you can tell me if on the
passenger-lists for 1932-33-35 when aunt Mary made her trips to UK
do the lists show 'Louise Carnegie' was travelling on the same ship,, ???
I remember my mother saying aunt Mary stayed for one/two months
in Scot.on these visits, I'm wondering if she stayed working in the"C"
residence in Scot,,,appreciate any info you can find,,,thanks a bunch,, :)
Kind regards;
Janey; ::)
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Hi Janey,
Fingers crossed - good luck. ;)
Have looked back through a few passenger lists - it looks as if Louise travelled 20 th May 1932 on the Aquitania and Mary 5 th June 1932 on the Cameronia
Also Louise travelled 17 th May 1933 on the Aquitania and Mary 29 th May 1933 on the Aquitania.
Mary never gave the Carnegie address in Scotland ???
Sandra
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Hi
I've only just come across this post and have read through it with interest. My link is Jane IRVINE, sister of James Irvine who married Euphemia Bell LAIDLEY. I would certainly like to get more information on James and family. One error I noticed regarded Euphemia IRVINE who married John Turner KENT in 1922. She died in 1955 in Glasgow and not in the USA. John Turner KENT died in 1970 in Glasgow.
I hope that you are able to reply after such a gap since the last message.
Braven
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Hi
She died in 1955 in Glasgow and not in the USA. John Turner KENT died in 1970 in Glasgow.
Braven
Hi Braven,
Just checking back for the error but reply 44 quoting from a family tree said Euphemia died 21 st October 1955 Glasgow.
Sndra
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Just noticed a FIND A GRAVE entry for Archibald Backhouse (goes with the death and obituary in reply 16) You may have already found it since we were working on this thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0si1/
Also Jane "Jean" Wilson Backhouse - Born April 9th , 1891, Scotland
and died October 9th , 1979 New Jersey.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0si2/
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
My apologies. I missed the post 40 reference. It was reply 42 referring to a death of Euphemia KENT in Florida in 2003 that I noticed. I have only just downloaded the death of Esther IRVINE (nee BACKHOUSE) in 1957 to find her maiden name. I will now go back through the posts to extract the relevant BACKHOUSE information and add it to mine.
Do you have any specific links for this IRVINE family tree? I've only got as far back as 1801.
Braven
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Hi Braven;
Thanks a bunch for your P/M,somtimes it is a good idea to reply this way
as one never knows when you may have a living-rellie ::) still around so
I can say in this instance we can reply on board as it seems safe to pass
on the info. :) Sandra as you saw was a gold-mine of help to me in finding
the rellies ::) you have noted the Backhouse connection I have to say the
last person in line passed away in 2004 and I have been unable to connect
with another cousin there in NY/USA.
I will dig out my file on James (b)1860 Glas/Scot (mar) Euphamia Bell Laidley
and see what I can post may be of some help to you on R/C" ::)
I think my research on the "Irvine" name shows a lot came to Glas/Scot
from Ireland,Orkney Isles,Perthshire,etc, ::) I was most interested in the
Perthshire area as my family had connections there.
Lastly feel free to post any query or info on "R/C" as the "Mods" here :)
are the best,second to none when it comes to research,,, :)
Will get back to ya soon,,,,
Kind regards;
Janey; ;D
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Hi Janey
Thanks for your reply. I now have most of the recent IRVINE details. I am missing the marriage date and place for Andrew and Esther and I have no record of children for Jane Bell and Archibald McCORQUODALE between 1920 and 1927. Do you have any details?
I have also been unable to account for Jesse IRVINE b. 1858 at 221 Holm? Street, Blythswood, Glasgow, son of James and Elizabeth (nee Robertson) and brother of James b. 1862. He does not appear on the 1861 census, but I cannot find a death for him between 1858 and 1861.
I have photographs of James, Margaret and Sarah, but none of the others. Have you found any online?
Let me know if you need details of the earlier family.
Best wishes
Braven
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HI Both,
The marriage of Andrew Irvine and Esther Backhouse 30 th June 1928 Manhattan
Andrew Irvine Jun 30 1928 Manhattan 17059
Esther Backhouse Jun 30 1928 Manhattan 17059
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sig/
http://www.italiangen.org/NYCBridesRes2.asp
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Many thanks for the information.
Braven
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Hi Braven;
Glad you have now got all your "Irvine Tree" in place,,just wondered
if you had parents for 'James & Elizabeth Robertson',,??? ::) also
place of birth I only have their marriage in Gorbals/Glasgow,,,
Here is what I have on Jane Bell & Archie MacC,,, ::)
Archibald Cameron MacCorquodale(b)25Dec/1898 Tiree,ArgylShre
(f)Donald (m) Mary ??; Archie (mar) Jeanie(Jane)Bell Irvine,,, June/
18th/1920.Glasgow. Archie was a Police-Officer in Glasgow, they had
'3'Sons before Jeanie died of "TB" in 1927;
(1) James Irvine MacCorquodale(b)23Oct/1920 Glasgow,served in
Royal Airforce WW2;emmigrated to Canada ,(mar)Olga Jaster in
Saskatchewan,and died in 1996;they had '4' kids; Carol Ann,
Graham Irvine Mac C; Donna May;Cameron Craig;
(2) Donald MacCorquodale (b) Glasgow; no info yet;
(3) Archibald MacCor;(b)7Apr/1927 Glasg;(mar) Peggy Smith had
'2' girls 'Lena & Jean' he was a Police-Officer in Toronto until he retired
he died in Brampton,Ontario ; no date yet;
Following 'Jeanie's death in 1927 Archie remarried ::)"Christina
Watson Cairns"(b)10Apr/1906 Loanhead,Edinb,Middloth;they
had "5" more kids;
(1)John Cairns Mac C;(b) 31 Aug/1932 (mar)Jessie Mgt Currie Japp;
(b)9July/1933 Glas;they moved to Canada Lived in Regina,Sask;
retired and moved back to Port Appin,Argyll.to live on mother's croft
they had '2' kids; Rhoderick & Sandra;
(2) Cameron MacCor; lives in Canada no info yet;
(3) May MacCor; (mar) Gordon MacKenzie;no info yet;
(4)William MacCor; lives in Port Appin,Argyll;no info yet;
(5) Christine MacCor; (b)2Dec/1947 (mar) Robert Rowan,lives in
Port Appin,Argyll,
Father 'Archie MacCor, died in Port Appin,Argyll 8 Feb/1968;no info
yet on second wife's death,,, ::)
Let me know what you think of all this Braven, :) I have some
pictures of Esther & Andy I've never put any on here so I will
see if I can 'scan' them for you,
Very nice of Sandra to give you their marriage date,they left New York
in 1933 for Scotland after Andy's father died in 1930 and took over
running the shop, Do you know the story of Euphamia Bell Laidley,??
I have all '8' kids of James & Elizb/Robertson but lost Jesse,and
a couple of others,,I'm looking in Argyllshire for them,,I have Martha
(b) in Dunoon Argyll; do you have that,,?? ::)
Well that's it for now Braven,,will look forward to hearing from you,ok
Kind regards;
Janey,, :)
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Hi Janey
Thanks very much for all the McCORQUODALE information.
I have James ROBERTON and Elizabeth McINTYRE as parents of Elizabeth ROBERTSON (b. app. 1831 - d. 22.4.1913), but no further details. I have tried looking for a marriage.
I have James IRVINE (b. app. 1801 Scotland) and Elizabeth McINTYRE (b. app. 1806 Lanarkshire) as probable parents of James IRVINE, along with six siblings.
I can find no link regarding the same maiden name.
For the children of James IRVINE and Elizabeth ROBERTSON I have a son (name unknown, from BC of Elizabeth McIntyre), Jane (app. 1854-1893), Elizabeth McIntyre (1855-1856), Jesse (1858-?), James (1862-1930) and Martha (1865-1865), so I am keen to know the names of the two I am missing.
A photograph of Andrew and Esther would be great.
Finally, regarding Euphemia Bell LAIDLEY, I have followed your posts explaining her adoption by John Thomas LAIDLEY (I presume she was illegitimate), but I am unaware of anything else.
Look forward to hearing from you
Braven
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Hi Janey
Bits I forgot -
Elizabeth ROBERTSON b. Calton, Glasgow app. 1831
James IRVINE b. Gorbals app. 1826
Archibald McCORQUODALE was an apprentice shipwright in 1920 and the marriage was at 4 Parkgrove Terrace, Hillhead, Glasgow (you probably already have this)
Jane Bell McCORQUODALE d. 1.10.1927 at 23 Fielden Drive, Partick, Glasgow (again, you probably have this)
Braven
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:)
Hi Braven;
Been going through my files,must admit I do not have a lot on the
Irvine families as a whole, I just stayed mostly with cousin Esther
Backhouse married to Andrew. "Andy Irvine and my Father were
old school pals having grown up in the same area of Glasgow,and
they both sailed off as ship's crew to New York City from 1924 on
and after Esther arrived there in 1927 to join her '3' brothers Joe,
Frank,Archie, my Dad & Andy would visit them and that's how they
met.The two of them "Stayed" in NYC and got jobs in a hospital,
later in 1933 Andy & Esther came back to Glasgow to manage the
'shop' and they lived at #1248 Argyle St,Overnewtown,Glasgow.
their son "James Irvine 1V" was born there in 1936,,,,
Now for the rest of my files;- I have,,,,, ::)
James Irvine(b)1801 Scotland(mar)Elizabeth McIntyre (b) 1803;Scot;
1Feb/1823 registered both parish's Gorbals & Eastwood,Renfrewshire;
their kids are;- James(b)1824 Gorbals,Lanark;Andrew(b)5Oct/bapt,30/Oct
1825;Mary(b)25Dec/bapt3Jan/1830;Gorbals;Martha(b)10Feb,bapt26Feb/
1832;Eliza(Elizabeth)(b)26Sept,bapt,13Oct/1833;Gorbals,Lanark;
On 1841 Cen Lanark; James gives age as '40yrs';Elizabeth 38yrs; on
1851 Cen,Lanark family are living in Blysthwood Dist; ??? and James
gives his birth place as "Dumfrieshire",, ??? I never found him there but
of note a lot of "Irish" families came over to this area and there are
tons of "Irvine's in Ireland,, ::)
James Irvine(b)1824 Lanark; ::)(mar)Elizabeth Robertson(b)1831Lanark;
13July/1851,Gorbals,Lanark; on 1861 Census Dumbartonshire there is a
James & Elizabeth both (b) Glas/Lnk; at 168 High St,Close,Dumbarton;with
a daughter Jane Irvine(b)1854,Glas/Lnk;
This where it gets 'weird' Braven, I have a note on file for the following;-
Elizabeth McIntyre Irvine(b)5Sept/1855;Jesse,(b)27Apr/1858,Blysthwood, Lnk;James(b)24Feb/1862 Dunoon&Kilmun,Argyll;Martha(b)24Apr/1865;
Dunoon*Klm,Argyll;Their mother is listed as "Elizabeth McIntyre Irvine" ???
I am 'stumped',, ::)
I will not give you anymore Braven till you digest all this and can compare
it to what info you have already,I'll give you more info on "Andy's family
next time I hear from you,,ok 8),,till then,,good hunting,,, :-\
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
Next; James Irvine (b) 1824 (mar) Elizabeth Robertson
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Hi Janey
I have James IRVINE b. 1826 rather than 1824. Also, your census information differs from mine. I have -
1841 census living at Bridge Street, Gorbals, Glasgow
Jas IRVINE 40 Umbrella maker N
Jas IRVINE Jun 15 Ap. tailor Y
Elizabeth IRVINE 35 Y
Mary IRVINE 11 Y
Martha IRVINE 9 Y
Eliza IRVINE 7 Y
Jean IRVINE 2 Y
Helen IRVINE 4m Y
1851 census living at 7 Bridge Street, Gorbals, Glasgow
Elizabeth IRVINE 46 Head Umbrella maker Glasgow
Elizabeth IRVINE 16 Dau. Umbrella maker Glasgow
Jean IRVINE 11 Dau. Umbrella maker Glasgow
Margaret IRVINE 5 Dau. At school Glasgow
Jessie IRVINE 2 Dau. Glasgow
I therefore have additional children from the census -
Jean/Jane IRVINE b. 1839 Gorbals
Helen IRVINE b. ?.2.1840 Gorbals
Margaret IRVINE b. app. 1846 prob. Gorbals, Glasgow
Jessie IRVINE b. app. 1849 prob. Gorbals, Glasgow
I am not sure when James died, but presumably between 1848 and 1851.
James (b. 1924/26) carried on the family business of umbrella maker, as did his sister (presumably under her maiden name).
Slater's Royal National Commercial Directory 1878
Jane IRVINE - Umbrella manufacturer at 7 Bridge Street, Glasgow
I also have -
Pigot and Company National Commercial Directory - date unknown
Jas IRVINE - umbrella manufacturer at 3 New Bridge Street, Glasgow
Jean/Jane IRVINE m. Francis McHUTCHISON 2.6.1857 and on the 1861 census Margaret and Jessie are living with them at 11 Bridge Street. Margaret is an umbrella maker.
See post 74 for my list of children of James and Elizabeth. I have checked all the birth certificates and can find no reference to Elizabeth McIntyre IRVINE as the mother. They are all Elizabeth IRVINE nee ROBERTSON.
In post 73 you say you have 8 children for James and Elizabeth and I have only found 6, so I am really keen to find any others.
Best wishes
Braven
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YO Braven;
I think you may have better access to the records than I do, I see
a few connections to your list but "Irvine" is such a common name
I find it hard to sort them out who is who,, ???
I do have James Irvine(b)1822 age 39yrs,occupation "Umbrella Maker"
wife Elizabeth ?? ::) age 36yrs,and daughter "Jane" age 7yrs,,say they
are all born Glasgow/Lnk;address on 1861 Cen Dunbartonshire County,
168 High Street,Close,Dunbarton,, ???
Now if I know I think Renfrew came under county of Dunbartonshire, so
is this the correct guy's,, ???
Next 1871 Census Lanark I have Elizabeth Irvine,Head of house,age 38yr
(b) 1833 occ; Dressmaker; daughter Jane age 17yrs I cannot make out
her occupation, some kinda "Eliot Maker",, ??? also son James 8yrs (b)
1863 Dunoon,Argyllshire,their address 227 South Wellington Street,
Hutchesontown,Glas/Govan Parish,,,I know that place is also the "Gorbals"
as I have other 'rellies' lived on the same street,,, 8)
I definitely have James Irvine (mar)Elizabeth McIntyre 1Feb/1823;Gorbals
&Eastwood/Renfrew, no parents names but '4'kids;Andrew;1825;Mary;1829;
Martha;1832;Eliza;1833;all(b)Gorbals,Lanark;so I'm sure this is them,, ???
I have James Irvine(mar)Elizabeth Robertson;13July,/1851 Gorbals,Lnk;
I have kids;John(b)1854 Renfrew;Elizabeth McIntyre Irvine;1855;Tradeston,
Mary Jane;1857;Greenock,Renfrewshire;Jesse:1858Blysthwood,Lnk;James
1862-3;Dunoon,Argyllshire;Martha:1865:Dunoon/Argylsh; On 1871 Census Glasgow/Lanarkshire they are living at 7 Surrey St,Gorbals,and James is a
"Shipyard Labourer",, ??? most of these places are "Ports"
I will leave this with you now Braven,just one note ,on your list you have "Y" & "N" is this in answer to the question on the census where it asks if the
person was "Born" in the County,, ???; James has an "N" meaning "NO",, ???
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
Note; These records are only as good as the person inputing them,,I take them in stride;most people in those days had no idea of age or "DOB",,
they were basically uneducated;
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Hi Janey
You have the correct family and address in 1861. They had moved from Glasgow to 168 High Street Close, Dumbarton and then on to Dunoon, Argyll. They then moved back to 227 South Wallington Street, Govan by 1871, but James was now a commercial traveller and was away for the census. When James died in 1872 Elizabeth moved to 42 Old Dumbarton Road and was there until she died in 1913.
Jane is a shirt maker on the 1871 census.
The Y and N are for born in county or not, as you worked out. Because you have found the marrige registered in Gorbals and Eastwood, Renfrewshire, it might be reasonable to hypothesise that James was born there, as it is out of county.
You have John IRVINE b. 1854 Renfrew on your list. He could be the son mentioned on the birth of Elizabeth McIntyre IRVINE that I had not identified by name. Do you have any details? Can you remember where the information came from?
The same for Mary Jane b. 1857 Greenock.
Lastly, I am a little confused by your 1871 census entry for 7 Surrey Street, Gorbals as you also mention Elizabeth at 227 South Wallington Street, Hutchesontown in 1871 for the same family. The second address is certainly the correct one. Could you please send details of the 1871 Surrey Street address.
Best wishes
Braven
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HI BRAVEN;
Just browsing the files and see we have not got any more here on the 'famous Irvine'
clan,,,are you still working on this,, ??? I will have to do a crash course on the old
memory to catch up ::)
Give me a shout when you can and just touch base ok ;) Scanner is 'Kaput' for now so
no pictures to send,,sorry about that,, :
Kind regards;
Janey; :)
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Hello,
I am the Anne who was mentioned earlier in this thread; Sarah Irvine, daughter of James Irvine and Margaret Wilson Walker was my grandmother. I'd love to exchange notes and photos with anyone else who is researching these Irvines.
I'm particularly interested to know if anyone knows the identity of Euphemia Bell's father. She was the wife of James Irvine 1862-1930, and the mother of James, Andrew, Jeanie, and Euphemia. She used the surname Laidley/Laidlaw at times, but her birth is recorded under her mother's surname, Bell.
Best regards,
Anne
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Hi Janey,
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Thanks!
Lumis
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Hi folks, I had no idea John and phemia moved to America what a great read of all the facts you's have found. John Turner Kent was my great grandas half brother his mother was Rosetta Turner Kent and his father was William Hutton kent they had a daughter also called euphemia I have a letter from them to my great granda must check the date o it. I have no pic of euphemia but have one of John.