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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: Kayzee on Tuesday 29 November 11 11:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Does anyone have any knowledge of Sir Thomas & Lady Sarah Wood of Low Hall in about 1807? Their daughter Ann Maria claims to be born South Cave circa 1807. On Genuki it says Low Hall was the seat of Rev. John Petch in 1820, when it appears to be in North Cave. I have from a book that Sarah Wood was the daughter of Captain Matthews of Portsmouth & that she & Sir Thomas married in Portsea.
In particular would like to know who Sir Thomas was, when born, died etc. Have Sarah's death in Birmingham in 1861.
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Hi Kayzee
These may well help you, but you will need to access the doc's at Treasure House, Beverley to see what they actually contain to further your research.
zDDBD - MISS L BIRD'S DOCUMENTS (FAMILY, ESTATE AND BUSINESS RECORDS OF THE BEAUMONT FAMILY OF BEVERLEY)
DDBD/52/96 17 Dec 1807 Copy deed of trust for benefit of creditors relating to lands at North Cave
1) Thomas Wood of North Cave gentleman
2) Henry Bell of Spaldington, John Bell of Portington and Edward Blyth of Belby gentlemen
Property: farm with 47 acres; 3 cottages; closes called Rees Close, Breck, Hill Close and Sandhows; Low Hall and Low Hall Garth (occupied by Marquis de Villedueil); 4 messuages and cottage in North Cave. Furniture, goods and chattels of Thomas Wood
This one could be the father to Thomas Wood, in same papers as above
DDBD/52/94 18 Sep 1790 Copy of probate copy of will of John Wood senior of North Cave
Bequests: wife Ann; son John and Thomas; daughters Ann, Elizabeth, Mary and Sarah
Property: North Cave, Elloughton, Brantingham, South Cave, Saltmarsh, Eastrington
Probate: 21 Dec. 1791
This could be a sister to Thomas Wood, in same papers as above
DDBD/93/122 19 Jun 1816 Copy will of Sarah Wood of North Cave spinster
Bequests: brother Thomas of North Cave land surveyor; sister Elizabeth Blanshard; nephews and nieces John and Sarah Garlick, Sarah Stather Stamp, John Stamp, William Wood Stamp, Edward Blanshard Stamp, Elizabeth Margaret Stamp, Kesiah Lesley Stamp, George Jabez Stamp, John Frederick Francis Wood, Ann Maria Wood, Ann King (late Blanshard) and Ann Turner (late Garlick)
Property: furniture and silver
Witnesses: John Hilton of North Cave surgeon, William Dinsley of Howden clerk to John Peirson attorney
This could be a brother to Thomas Wood, in same papers as above
DDBD/52/95 30 May 1803 Copy will of John Wood of North Cave gentleman
Bequests: brother Thomas; friend Mrs Mary Bonner alias Sketchley alias Collins (residing with testator as housekeeper); sisters Elizabeth wife of George Blanshard, Mary wife of John Garlick, and Sarah; mother; grandmother Stather; etc
Property: Plate, North Cave, Elloughton, Brantingham, Brough, South Cave, Saltmarshe and Eastrington
This Will above maybe available to download for a small fee from National Archives... Death Duty Registers. Abstract of Will of John Wood, Gentleman of North Cave, Yorkshire. Proved in the Court of York. July 12 1804 IR 26/426
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7459730&queryType=1&resultcount=30
This could be a brother to Thomas Wood,
zDDGD - GRAY, DODSWORTH AND COBB (LATER GRAYS), SOLICITORS, YORK
DDGD/1137 14 Aug 1790 Extract from the will of William Wood of North Cave gentleman
Executor: brother John
Beneficiaries: all real estate to brother John Wood
Witnesses: James Smith, Thomas How, George Gale
Will dated 16 Nov 1784
Probate 14 Aug 1790
With copy codicil to will of John Wood, North Cave, gentleman, 30 Nov 1791:
Property: land at North Cave, Brantingham, South Cave, Saltmarshe and Eastrington
Beneficiaries: devise of cottage at North Cave to wife Ann for life and then to eldest daughter Ann Wood
Witnesses: William Blyth, Matthew Langrick, John Peirson
With copy declaration as to pedigree and marriage and death certificates, 1840
Regarding the titles of Sir & Lady, not found anything relating to him as Sir Thomas Wood. Her title of Lady would have come about from his title if he was granted this first, otherwise he would have had the title or Lord bestowed upon him at marriage as she would have been a Lady by birth etc.. I think looking at the doc's above he was a gentlemen first and foremost and somehow became "Knighted" for some reason and therefore his wife became Lady Wood.
You mention that Sarah Wood was a dau of a Captain, I don't think this would make her automatically a Lady, so I think this title came from Thomas Wood, I wonder if Sarah's father had a hand in him being "knighted" and him becoming a Sir ???
Maybe there is a register for all those that receive Knighthoods etc.. ???
Now I stand to be corrected upon my understanding of the above as it takes a little sorting out from how one is addressed by these titles depending on how they came about them initially
Regarding the birth of Ann Maria Wood c 1807, she may well have been born South Cave, but her birth would not be registered, reg was from 1837, only a baptism would be registered as such and may contain details of her birth date and place, so maybe you need to be searching afield, she could also have been baptised privately at someone's private chapel etc..
Does Thomas Wood appear on census info for 1841/51/61 and if so where and what was his profession???
bendywendy
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London Gazette http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/16271/pages/1019/page.pdf
East Riding. Thomas Wood, Late of North Cave, Farmer
I cannot find a date for this edition ??? or what the offences were ???
This is a lovely little book to read of the areas around South Cave
http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofsouthca00hall#page/n5/mode/2up
Treasure House, Beverley
zDDHH - HOTHAM HALL ESTATE RECORDS
DDHH/6/2/1 11 Mar 1772 Bargain and sale of North Cave schoolhouse
Parties
2)John Wood, North Cave, yeoman
Property: newly erected dwellinghouse in Stork Hill, North Cave, now used as a schoolhouse; 2 parcels of land, part of the South field, North Cave, in trust
Consideration: 10s
zDDRO - ROBINSON, TILL AND OAKLEY (FORMERLY ROBINSON, SHEFFIELD AND TILL), SOLICITORS, BEVERLEY
DDRO/72/6 1805 Bond of obligation for payment of £950
Parties
1) Thomas Wood of North Cave, gentleman,
zDDX1677 - NORTH CAVE DEEDS, SALTMARSHE MANORIAL RECORDS AND RELATED DOCUMENTS
1 - Brook Farm also known as Breck Farm, North Cave, deeds
17-18 Mar 1809 DDX1677/1/17 Lease and release of a close at North Cave
Parties
3) Thomas Wood, North Cave, gentleman
Property: Breck Close containing 10 acres 22 perches in Wallingfen, North Cave
Consideration: £142 10s
Memorial registered at Beverley, Book CO, Page 305, Number 481
zDDHH - HOTHAM HALL ESTATE RECORDS
DDHH/2/33/10 22 Oct 1798 Surrender of a trust term on messuage and land in Hotham
Parties:
1) John Wood, North Cave, gentleman; Thomas Wood, North Cave, gentleman
zEMG - GOOLE METHODIST CIRCUIT RECORDS
44 - Newport (Wallingfen) Church Lease for a year relating to land at Newport, (transcript)
EMG/344/14 [30 Dec 1794]
Parties
3) John Wood, North Cave, gentleman
I would say the family of WOOD were Methodists, therefore you need to search the methodist circuit records for Newport, which is not far from South Cave. These records are held at Beverley Treasure House under the Goole Methodist Circuit Records.
Again John Wood, Gentlemen, North Cave is party to a dwellinghouse in Newport (Wallingfen) again in the Goole Methodist Circuit Records EMG/344/15.
I wonder if this is a private chapel of the Wood family ??? I think this John Wood, is the son of John Wood, Yeoman/Gentlemen who died 1790, refer back to his Will for names ??? This is most likely the Baptism place for Ann Maria Wood ???
zQSF - Quarter Sessions Files 337 - Quarter Sessions Files for Michaelmas 1792
QSF/337/E/17 c1792
Application of John Wood for registration, as a dissenters Chapel, of newly erected building, property of Ann Wood widow, on W. side of West Gate, North Cave
The book of South Cave mentions Chapels at North Cave page 84 and that of one on West Gate.
bendywendy
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Wow, what a lot of trouble you have gone to - thank you so much. I have not got time to sort through all your wonderful information at the moment, but will hopefully get to grips with it this evening. The will information is particularly exciting, as previously I could not get any idea of age for Thomas, he having such a common surname. Hopefully now, with names of siblings etc I will be able to find the family on IGI, thank you.
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Your welcome Kayzee.
I will keep looking to see if he has and his family have anything else in archives.
Will search the Hull History Centre ones and let you know.
b.
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that didn't take long to find them... Hull History Centre
PAPERS OF CRUST TODD AND MILLS, SOLICITORS, OF BEVERLEY
Brough and Elloughton U DDCV/x1/29/8 10 - 11 April 1807
Lease and Release: for ?2545: (i) Thomas Wood as DDCV/29/7 (son and heir of John W.) and wife Sarah (ii) Ann Wood of North Cave widow of J.W. (iii) Samuel Hall as DDCV/29/7 (iv) John Peirson of Howden gent. (v) Rev. Robert Hemington vicar of Thorp Arch (vi) John Stamp of Doncaster and wife Ann, George Blanshard of Cavill Hall and wife Elizabeth, and Sarah Wood of North Cave spinster (A.S., E.B. & S.W. being daughters of J.W.) to (vii) George Popple and (viii) his trustee William Todd both of Hull merchants
4 closes, as DDCV/29/7.
Witn. Robert Galland, Hen. Peirson, Edmd. Gill jnr.
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/7 14 - 15 Oct 1803
Mortgage: for ?400: Thomas Wood of North Cave to Samuel Hall of Beverley gents
Messuage, and 4 closes.
Witn. John Selley of Beverley grocer, Geo. Monkman clerk to Samuel Hall
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/5 9 April 1785
Assignment: for ?412.12s.: Henry Bell as DDCV/29/4 to John Wood and his trustee William Wood both of North Cave gents. As DDCV/29/4. Witn. W. Atkinson, Robert Spofforth.
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/54 14 - 15 May 1790
Lease and Release: for ?95: William Nadin of Brizlincote co. Derby gent. and wife Ann, and Barnard Clarkson of Gribthorpe par. Bubwith gent. and wife Deborah to John and William Wood of North Cave gents.
Close (3 1/2ac.) in Brantingham
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/208/12 18 September 1794
Assignment: Commissioners in bankruptcy of John Turner jnr. of Newport victualler to James McTurk of Newport, John Lockwood of Beverley and John Wood of North Cave gents.
McTurk was a BIG man in Newport and surrounding area and had his fingers in a lot of pies
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/185/136 2 - 3 March 1798
Lease and Release: Gervas Seaton to John Wood of North Cave gent.
North and South Tythe Garth Closes and specified lands - -: In trust. To secure payment of ?1500 to
Sir Christopher Sykes and others as DDCV/185/128.
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/53 21 - 22 May 1784
Lease and Release: John Carlill to John Wood of North Cave gent.
John Wood to discharge ?400 mortgage of the premises and to pay an annuity of ?20 to John Carlill: messuage and 4 oxgangs --:
Papers of the Barnards Family of South Cave
U DDBA/x1/4/60 29 Apr 1785
Oath of John Wood of North Cave, gent. as Commissioner for Inclosure of South Cave
For registration at East Riding Registry of Deeds
Papers of the Bishop Burton Estates of the Gee and Hall-Watt Families
U DDGE/x1/3/255 30 - 31 Mar 1801
Lease and Release: for ?650 (ii) his trustees John Lockwood of Beverley gent. and John Wood of North Cave gent.
bendywendy
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Just wondering if the Wood family originated from Little Weighton, not far from North Cave as found this entry which is a lot earlier than the others ..
Hull History Centre
Papers of the Fawsitt Family of Walkington (Including the Hornby and Ferguson Families)
U DDFF/x1/1/124 Little Weighton 8 Feb 1766
Agreement between William Hewitt of Hull carrier and wife Jane, John Levitt son., and jnr., of Low Hunsley, yeoman, Mary Blackshaw of South Cave widow and William Dunning of Little Weighton yeoman and John Seaman, John Hudson and William Wood all of Little Weighton yeoman
Settling disputes over common rights in Blue Stone Close, Clay Flatts, 3 Eight Acre Flatts, Bottom Close, Sheepswaith, the Elmarcourt and Westfield
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Treasure House, Beverley
Lease for 21 years at £7 1s rent relating to property at North Cave DDBD/52/101 20 Mar 1793
Contents:
Parties: 1) Thomas Wood 2) Robert Turner of Drewton farmer
Lease for 30 years at 1s rent for £100 for a close at North Cave DDBD/52/99 1792-1804
Contents:
Parties: 1) Trustees as as described in DDBD/52/98 Thomas Wood of North Cave gentleman Property: close (five and a half acres.) in North Cave, formerly part of Wallingfen.
Copy deed of trust for benefit of creditors relating to lands at North Cave DDBD/52/96 17 Dec 1807
Contents:
Parties: 1) Thomas Wood of North Cave gentleman 2) Henry Bell of Spaldington, John Bell of Portington and Edward Blyth of Belby gentlemen Property: farm with 47 acres; 3 cottages; closes called Rees Close, Breck, Hill Close and Sandhows; Low Hall and Low Hall Garth (occupied by Marquis de Villedueil); 4 messuages and cottage in North Cave. Furniture, goods and chattels of Thomas Wood.
Information of Richard Appleton overseer of the poor of North Cave: - Thomas Dunn, Richard Paget, William Scobat, Thomas Wood and William Walker all of North Cave yeomen had not buried their cattle which had died of the distemper. QSF/161/E/18 c1748
Richard Corner and Thomas Wood of North Cave yeomen: - inhabitants of North Cave for non-repair of highway. QSF/188/C/37 c1755
William Cock shepherd and Thomas Wood yeoman both of North Cave: - appearance of W.C. QSF/158/C/26 c1747
Survey of Thomas Wood's Farm at Elloughton DDHB/57/263 20 Jun 1808
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You have gone to so much trouble I feel embarrassed to say I still have not done you justice (unexpected visitors), but having read through it all, I can see you have basically given me a whole family & much to look into. I notice that a Marquis appears to be living at Low Hall in 1807 & I wondered if the zDDBD refence mentioning 'creditors' meant that the Woods were having financial problems, but maybe I'm wrong - certainly Sir Thomas' wife wasn't calling herself Lady Wood in B'ham. He wasn't with her in the 1841 census & she was a widow in 1851. However, their daughter's husband left her nothing in his will & she had 3 children under 3 to bring up, so he must have thought she was well provided for. I will let you know how I get on.
I notice too that John Wood was commissioner for the enclosures - that would have made him popular!
Thank you for going above & beyond, you've knocked a huge hole in that wall for me - you're a star.
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Hi Kayzee
You are welcome, I love looking things up ;D and there is plenty, still don't think I have found everything yet :o. I will keep searching, tis fascinating what one finds on these doc's for family names n places etc..
zDDBD refence mentioning 'creditors' 1807 ... without looking at the doc itself tis a little unclear as to who is the debtor and who are the creditors, although it gives the impression of it being Thomas Wood.
I was wondering if the farm at Elloughton with a Thomas Wood was your TW, as that was a year later 1808 than the one above for the creditors.
What do you think to the entry for offences in London Gazette, I cannot find any relevant details for it, can you.
So how did they come about the titles of Sir and Lady, self appointed maybe ???
bendywendy
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Meanings from Wiki for:-
Yeoman refers chiefly to a free man owning his own farm, especially from the Elizabethan era to the 17th century. Work requiring a great deal of effort or labor, such as would be done by a yeoman farmer, came to be described as "yeoman's work".[1] Thus yeoman became associated with hard toil.[2]
Yeomen filled many roles from the Middle Ages through to the 19th century. They were often constables of their parish, and sometimes chief constables of the district, shire or hundred. Many yeomen held the positions of bailiffs for the High Sheriff or for the shire or hundred. Other civic duties would include churchwarden, bridge warden, and other warden duties. It was also common for a yeoman to be an overseer for his parish. Yeomen, whether working for a lord, king, shire, knight, district or parish served in localised or municipal police forces raised by or led by the landed gentry.
Question... Can the son of a Yeoman become a self appointed Sir
Sir is an honorific used as a title (see Knight), or as a courtesy title to address a man without using his given or family name in many English speaking cultures. It is often used in formal correspondence (Dear Sir, Right Reverend Sir).
The term is often reserved for use only towards equals, one of superior rank or status, such as an educator or commanding officer, an elder (especially by a minor), or as a form of address from a merchant to a customer.
Equivalent terms of address are "ma'am" or "madam" in most cases, or in the case of a very young woman, girl, or unmarried woman who prefers to be addressed as such, "miss". The equivalent term for a knighted woman is Dame, or "Lady" for the wife of a knight.
In formal protocol Sir is the correct styling for a knight or a baronet (the United Kingdom nobiliary rank just below all peers of the realm), used with (one of) the knight's given name(s) or full name, but not with the surname alone
The rank of Knight Bachelor is a part of the British honours system. It is the most basic rank of a man who has been knighted by the monarch but not as a member of one of the organised Orders of Chivalry.
Like other knights, Knights Bachelor are styled "Sir". Since they are not knights of any order of chivalry, there is no post-nominal associated with the award.
Question... is there a list held for those that were Knighted ???
Kayzee, here is some info about where the Honours lists are announced- There are 3 lists of honours, which are published in The London Gazette twice a year, at New Year and in mid-June on the date of The Queen’s official birthday. They are the Prime Minister’s List, the Diplomatic Service and Overseas List, and the Defence Services List.
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/what-we-do/protocol/honours/
London Gazette Archives Online
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/15519/pages/1052
'NOtice is hereby given, that the Business of Merchants and General Commission Agents, carried on by us in
Partnership, at -Kingston-upon-Hull, under the Firm of Nelson and Wood, was tliis Day dissolved by .mutual Consent. The Business .will in future be carried on by Thomas Wood, on his own separate Account.; and all the Debts owing to and from, -she Firm will he received and paid byMarmaduke Nelson.. Witness our Hands this 27th Day ofSeptember-1802. Marmaduke Nelson. Thomas Wood.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/15013/pages/382
Monday the iSth Day of June, 1798, between the Hours of Eleven and Twelve in the Forenoon* in Six Lots, Several Freehold Estates, "situate at Kingston upon Hull, at Holmpton, Welwick, and Hollym in Holderness, iii the East Riding of the County of York, ana at Winterton in the County of Lincoln. Particulars whereof may be had, gratis, at the (aid Ma'kr's Chambers, Southampton-Buildings aforesaid ; of Mr. Lambert, Solicitor, Hatton Garden, London} of Mr.'Cbeales, Sleaford, Lincolnshire; of Mess. Lockwood and Duesbery, Bevrrley ; of" Mess. Prickett, Hull.; of Mr. Smith, Attorney, York;and of Mr. Wood, North Cave, Yorkshire.
Nothing found for a Knighthood ???
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Treasure House, Beverley
zDDHH - HOTHAM HALL ESTATE RECORDS
DDHH/2/5/3 6 Oct 1823 Letter from Thomas Wood, North Cave, esquire, to Mr Campbell, Beverley, solicitor.
Refers to Henry Burton Peters' property in North Cave, Everthorpe and South Cave, copyhold of the manors of Osbaldwick, Everthorpe and South Cave.
zQSF - Quarter Sessions Files
QSF/402/F/8 19 Dec 1807 Conviction of Thomas Wood of North Cave, land surveyor.
:- using a dog and gun for killing game at North Cave on 17 Nov
Fined £5
Informant: Francis Watt esquire of Hotham
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Oh my word! I was just about get to grips with your first batch of information, came onto the forum to reply & there was more!!! Don't know how to add smiley faces etc but smiley face!!!
As to your comments re ZDDBD, it was the furniture belonging to Thomas that made me think he was in trouble, although I suppose sometimes today people will sell the furniture with a house - especially if it's too big to get out! So maybe it means nothing.
Elloughton Farm certainly sounds like my TW as land at Elloughton comes down from JOhn snr to William to John jnr & then to Thomas - got to be him I should think.
The offence in London Gazette, how annoying there is no date - however looking at the others in jail (mostly professionals), I can't help thinking it was someting to do with not attending church or non payment of fines for not attending - I'm sure I've read of that sort of thing - no idea of what era that would be tho'. Perhaps I am way out.
Self appointed title - perhaps he made a large donation to a political party!!! I do find it odd that there is no mention anywhere of them being Sir & Lady apart from in a pamplett in B'ham written long after their deaths. 'Lady' Sarah was born circa 1779 & died 29 Nov 1861.
Annoyingly, I have still no idea of age of any of the Wood family as the IGI throws up nothing - possibly because they were methodists? I thought having the grandmother's surname of Stather might help, but that drew a blank also. 'Sir' Thomas appears to have been a landsurveyor in 1816.
Thomas & Sarah appear to have possibly had a son John Fred Francis aswell as a daughter Ann Maria & I thought I might find him in BMD, but no - plenty with 2 of the christian names - although it could be that there should be a comma in there & there are 2 sons.
From what I can see methodists only started recording baptisms in about 1830, so I might not be lucky even if I got to view the records - and I'm extremely unlikely to get to Yorkshire in the near future - might put another query on to see if someone local knows of any burial records in the Chapel as the death of Thomas might at least tell me whether he was 'Sir' or not.
As usual a query on rootschat whilst providing lots of answers poses even more questions!
Thank you so much for your help - you've certainly worked very hard & it is much appreciated.
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And another message whilst I was typing my reply - must type faster!!
Doesn't sound like he would have gone to jail for the dog & gun offence, but maybe he refused to pay the fine?
I wonder what the law was about using the dog & gun - was he on someone else's land - perhaps that would have been poaching? Maybe it was closed season.
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Proabably just a coincidence, but dring the tracing of my Allsop family tree, I came across a letter written in 1881 suggesting that the Allsops could have been descended from a John Allsop of Market Weeton (sic), Yorkshire in the early 1700s, I have no evidence of this having traced them to Derbyshire in 1625, but it is constantly nagging me now that I have seen that South Cave is about 8 miles from Market Weighton. But there you are there are a lot of unconnected coincidences in family tree.
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Hi Kayzee, smiley faces are these Santa's above where we type the message, move cursor to where you want a smiley etc and click on one, it won't appear until you do preview or post, have fun, here you are :D
I think more likely he was poaching on someone else's land, maybe he thought he was above the law :'(
You could be correct abt paying for a title, or crossing palms as they would say then.
The problem with the Methodist records is this.... the records themselves did not belong to the church but to the minister himself, some would have been handed over to the circuit, others are still in private possession of the families of the minister. Several ministers would have covered a circuit meaning lots of individual record books, so because someone is missing it can mean they are in another ministers book, confusing ??? and then some of these circuit records have been lodged with the archives, obviously the ones still in private hands are missing from them. Also, because of the way they were used and kept this meant that not many of them have been transcribed in full.
If you were to put up a new thread asking for lookups at Treasure House for Methodist Records, someone may well help you out there, share a link back to this thread then folk know the connection too. If you cannot do it, let me know and I will post thread link on both.
I could help out, but don't drive and it will be after New Year before I can get there.
As for Burials well, the methodists didn't have their own burial grounds, very very few had their own, so most likely it will be North Cave cemetery, although the methodist chapel at Newport does have its own burial ground, I will look in my book to see if there is any Wood listed.
Need to dash now, will be back later on.
bendywendy
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Thank you for all your help and advice. I wouldn't expect anyone to check the methodist records for me unless they already had them in their home. I know how frustrating when you have a limited time to spend your precious research time sorting out other peoples research. Will live with what I know for now - which is fantastic thanks to you.
Merry Christmas
Kay
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that didn't take long to find them... Hull History Centre
PAPERS OF CRUST TODD AND MILLS, SOLICITORS, OF BEVERLEY
Brough and Elloughton U DDCV/x1/29/8 10 - 11 April 1807
Lease and Release: for ?2545: (i) Thomas Wood as DDCV/29/7 (son and heir of John W.) and wife Sarah (ii) Ann Wood of North Cave widow of J.W. (iii) Samuel Hall as DDCV/29/7 (iv) John Peirson of Howden gent. (v) Rev. Robert Hemington vicar of Thorp Arch (vi) John Stamp of Doncaster and wife Ann, George Blanshard of Cavill Hall and wife Elizabeth, and Sarah Wood of North Cave spinster (A.S., E.B. & S.W. being daughters of J.W.) to (vii) George Popple and (viii) his trustee William Todd both of Hull merchants
4 closes, as DDCV/29/7.
Witn. Robert Galland, Hen. Peirson, Edmd. Gill jnr.
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/7 14 - 15 Oct 1803
Mortgage: for ?400: Thomas Wood of North Cave to Samuel Hall of Beverley gents
Messuage, and 4 closes.
Witn. John Selley of Beverley grocer, Geo. Monkman clerk to Samuel Hall
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/5 9 April 1785
Assignment: for ?412.12s.: Henry Bell as DDCV/29/4 to John Wood and his trustee William Wood both of North Cave gents. As DDCV/29/4. Witn. W. Atkinson, Robert Spofforth.
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/54 14 - 15 May 1790
Lease and Release: for ?95: William Nadin of Brizlincote co. Derby gent. and wife Ann, and Barnard Clarkson of Gribthorpe par. Bubwith gent. and wife Deborah to John and William Wood of North Cave gents.
Close (3 1/2ac.) in Brantingham
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/208/12 18 September 1794
Assignment: Commissioners in bankruptcy of John Turner jnr. of Newport victualler to James McTurk of Newport, John Lockwood of Beverley and John Wood of North Cave gents.
McTurk was a BIG man in Newport and surrounding area and had his fingers in a lot of pies
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/185/136 2 - 3 March 1798
Lease and Release: Gervas Seaton to John Wood of North Cave gent.
North and South Tythe Garth Closes and specified lands - -: In trust. To secure payment of ?1500 to
Sir Christopher Sykes and others as DDCV/185/128.
same set papers
U DDCV/x1/29/53 21 - 22 May 1784
Lease and Release: John Carlill to John Wood of North Cave gent.
John Wood to discharge ?400 mortgage of the premises and to pay an annuity of ?20 to John Carlill: messuage and 4 oxgangs --:
Papers of the Barnards Family of South Cave
U DDBA/x1/4/60 29 Apr 1785
Oath of John Wood of North Cave, gent. as Commissioner for Inclosure of South Cave
For registration at East Riding Registry of Deeds
Papers of the Bishop Burton Estates of the Gee and Hall-Watt Families
U DDGE/x1/3/255 30 - 31 Mar 1801
Lease and Release: for ?650 (ii) his trustees John Lockwood of Beverley gent. and John Wood of North Cave gent.
bendywendy
Hi, I'm a descendant of John Stamp and Ann Wood, here mentioned to be residing at Doncaster, Yorkshire in 1807. I can see that these messages regarding the Wood family are from 10 years ago, but I was wondering if since then you've been able to find any mention of the Wood family in the North Cave burial records. Being Methodists, they seem to be very difficult to trace. I've seen conflicting dates of birth for Ann Wood, one record saying she was born in 1768, another 1770, though her burial record in 1811 in Mansfield says she was aged 45 (hence born c.1766). So I was wondering if there might be any mention of the Woods in North Cave, or perhaps of John Stamp (who was a Methodist Rev.)
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Hi StompieSinger
A bit of an anomaly area is North Cave, South Cave and all the hamlets and further along to Newport and Gilberdyke, as to where the Methodist's were buried.
It could be they had a family tomb etc on the estate, to find out you would need to look at all the documents held in the archives.
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https://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/content/chapels/yorkshire/n-p/north_cave_primitive_methodist_chapel_east_yorkshire
North Cave Primitive Methodist Chapel East Yorkshire
The chapel erected in 1870 to the plans of architect Joseph Wright at a cost of approximately £800 replaced a chapel that was built in 1819. It had the distinction of being the first chapel built north of the Humber opening on 26th July 1819. North Cave also became the head of the North Cave Circuit.
By 2009 the chapel appeared to have closed for worship. In February 2013 bids were invited for the purchase of the building. It was sold to be converted into three apartments.
Photos taken August 2009 and 2013.
OS Map ref:106:SE892323
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Maybe they are buried in the cemetery of All Saints Church, North Cave - You could contact the vicar and ask if he is able to assist you with the burials 01430 470716 or write to the Vicar of All Saint's Church, Church Street, North Cave, East Yorkshire.
On this link for the church you can email directly to them. https://www.achurchnearyou.com/church/19166/get-in-touch/
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https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/NorthCave
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They may have been buried in South Cave Cemetery https://southcavepc.gov.uk/cemetery
By 1872 the churchyard at All Saint’s Church (this will be North Cave) had become overcrowded. Therefore, Charles Edward Gee Barnard of Cave Castle donated an acre and rood for a new burial ground, which was consecrated in 1873. This cemetery was placed under the control of a burial board of seven members. As of 1910, it was administered by the Parish Council.
The grounds were extended in 1967, with a further extension consecrated in 2011. The chapel was designed by Smith & Brodrick of Hull and built by local builder Thomas Goodwill for £800. It has unusual red acorn roof tiles, an apsidal east end, and a bell turret to the west.
The first interment in the cemetery was of William Thompson, aged 7 months. Over the years, the chapel was no longer used for funeral services and fell into a poor state of repair, becoming the target of vandals. However, a group of volunteers formed the Friends of South Cave Cemetery Chapel and raised funds for restoration work.
Restoration work was carried out over a period of several years, with summer concerts and Christmas Carol services being held in the chapel. It is a listed building, but without electricity, water or sanitary arrangements its use is limited.
The lychgate was also designed by Smith & Brodrick, and was restored early in the 21st Century.
The Victorian brass bell which tolled at burials was stolen from the chapel bell turret some years ago. However, it mysteriously reappeared, having been painted black, at the back of a cupboard in the Town Hall in 1992. A parish councillor had the bell restored and it is now on show in the Town Hall Chamber. The table from the chapel is now in All Saint’s Church in front of the organ.
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https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/SouthCave
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Regards
bendywendy
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Hi, StompieSinger
Is this the Rev John Stamp you seeking;
Stamp, John 1787 Entered Ministry - 1831 Died - dosen't state where
https://www.mywesleyanmethodists.org.uk/content/people-2/a_to_z_of_ministers/wesleyan_methodist_ministers-19
So much on this thread to read back through, is he mentioned ??
How does he fit into the Stamp lineage, North Cave ??
b.
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Hi bendywendy,
Sorry I live in Australia so the timezone differences are going to be annoying. But thankyou so much for your two replies! I'm so pleased that now I have some direction in terms of who to contact for potential burials of the Wood family.
I noticed that you were able to find quite a few mentions of the Wood family from the 1780s through to the early 1800s, do you recall if you saw any records earlier than 1785 of the family? I understand that it was ten years ago, but I thought I'd ask just in case.
Regarding the Rev. John Stamp, yes that was him, born 1761, entered 1787, died 1831. There was the one mention of his and his wife Ann from a record dated about 1807. Their children were also mentioned (I think in Sarah Wood's will): Sarah Stather Stamp, John Sundius Stamp,William Wood Stamp, Edward Blanshard Stamp, Elizabeth Margaret Stamp, Keziah Wesley Stamp, and George Jabez Stamp. Was Sarah Wood's will viewable or was there only a description available when you found it?
- Tom
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Hi Tom
I will see if I can get to my local library to look up the North Cave MI, see if they have one for South Cave too.
I will look again on the Archives and see if there are any earlier ones, some may have been deposited since.
http://dmbi.online/index.php?do=app.entry&id=3289
http://www.familytreecircles.com/bounty-emigrants-per-tasman-into-geelong-1849-67600.html
https://www.geni.com/people/John-Stamp/6000000002273965163
https://www.bookdepository.com/author/John-Sundius-Stamp
https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/vufind/Record/81659
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/165248411/john-sundius-stamp
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/64629756
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2Yvpl2v8aZIC&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=john+sundius+stamp&source=bl&ots=NOaKUyJTu5&sig=ACfU3U19lnZ0yAyE3oaS9TwK4fKpgnwbmw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqtZyXtZzjAhWYEMAKHQ0UBaM4ChDoATAJegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=john%20sundius%20stamp&f=false
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Collections_of_the_Late_Rev_John_Sundius.html?id=vZkzuAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y
https://www.eastriding.gov.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=zDDGD%2F5%2F29%2F1
Will look again tomorrow, night night.
Wend
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https://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/search-resources/special-collections/guide-to-special-collections/methodist/methodist-archives-collection-catalogue/catalogue-viewer/
Ministers' letters and autographs: (WM) Collected by William Upcott
1748-1833
Portrait engravings,
John Sundius Stamp
William Wood Stamp
From about 1/3rd way down of page....
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767351.0
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http://blackcountryhistory.org/collections/getrecord/GB145_DKEE/
STAMP / KEELING FAMILY
Ref No: DKEE
Date: 1775-1873
Description: The records in this collection are comprised of five Guard books containing correspondence, newspaper cuttings and images from various members of the Stamp family, including the Reverend W. W. Stamp and his father, the Revened John Stamp, both of whom were Weslyan ministers.........>>>>>
Dudley Archives and Local History Centre
Prefix GB145
Address Tipton Road, Dudley, West Midlands, DY1 4SQ, United Kingdom
Telephone 01384 812770
Email archives.centre@dudley.gov.uk
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https://www.myprimitivemethodists.org.uk/content/place-2/lincolnshire-2/louth_circuit_lincolnshire
>>>>>Mr. Coulson had as his colleague, at this time, the Rev. John Stamp, the brilliant and earnest evangelist, who made a deep and lasting impression on the generation which attended his fervent ministry; but who left behind him a legacy of mingled good and ill.
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xTFcAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=Rev+john+stamp&source=bl&ots=Jz0FFSL-9c&sig=ACfU3U2pTX6ENEKvaik8XQlqeRcZoRacgQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjw6oj5v5zjAhWrUxUIHXREAKAQ6AEwCnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Rev%20john%20stamp&f=false
A plain and brief defence of the conduct of ... John Stamp ..., Volume 23
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http://dmbi.online/index.php?do=app.entry&id=2581
Stamp, John....
on the hyperlink at the bottom, this is noted:
he has often been confused by historians with John Sundius Stamp, a member of the Wesleyan family
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Hi Tom
Yesterday I asked on a local FB site (South Cave History) if anyone had a Monumental Inscription book for both South and North Cave, luckily someone had a book for South Cave, this is the info:
351 In memory of Jane Isobel (Jennie) beloved wife of Henry Thomas Wood of Newport died 14th Nov 1946 age 31 years. Peace, perfect peace. Lynton, New Road, North Cave.
473 In loving memory of Albert L Wood, beloved husband, dad and pop died 27th Oct 1990 age 73 years at rest. Burial Nov 2 Albert Louvain Wood, South Cave .
These are in South Cave cemetery.
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Sadly these are the only ones with a HEADSTONE recorded, they may well be burials in South Cave Cemetery without headstones, to search for these we need to look at the burial register for the cemetery.
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I will try and find out for North Cave Cemetery.
I can post on Rootschat on your behalf if you want me to do ??
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""""I've seen conflicting dates of birth for Ann Wood, one record saying she was born in 1768, another 1770, though her burial record in 1811 in Mansfield says she was aged 45 (hence born c.1766)"""
Age: back then no one knew how old they were, even into the latter 1800's into the early 1900's folk didn't know there actual date of birth or place of birth, why, because many folk were illiterate, it also didn't really matter to them, many didn't celebrate birthdays so no memory of the date inplanted.
Also when someone died, the person in charge of the funeral may well not have known how old someone was and made a hazy guess, women didn't always "let on" to others, especially men.
You should also bear in mind, when searching for Baptism's a baby could well be a infant, child, older child and at times an adult at time of their Baptism.
Have you found a BAPTISM for Ann Wood ??
What are the records you have found for her conflicting DOB ??
Also, can you confirm her parents names ??
Wend
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Hi Wend,
Sorry for the delay, had a busy day. Thanks so much for those links, I'd seen one or two of them before, but the rest were great new info! Those engravings in particular sound very interesting, thanks especially for sending the link to that one. I've looked through most of the links, and while one or two are of a completely different John Stamp (who, as you say, was sometimes mistaken for John Sundius Stamp), these links for the most part are very accurate. I had no idea how many records there were of Rev. John Stamp and his son Rev. John Sundius Stamp.
Thanks for looking in the South Cave records, maybe the North Cave records will have a bit more in the Wood family (please feel free to ask on Rootschat on my behalf).
Regarding Ann Wood, I thought I might have seen a baptism from 1768 at North Cave, but I haven't recorded it if I did, so can't be certain of that. I may have seen it on a family tree, not caring to look if there were sources or not. However, the 1766 possibility was from the burial record, though, as you say, that could be a complete guess.
In terms of evidence of her parentage, records say her father was John Wood of North Cave, an early supporter of Methodism. And as for her mother, the records you mentioned when writing to Kayzee ten years ago seemed to be rather conclusive that her mother was a Stather. In addition, Ann Wood's eldest daughter was named Sarah Stather Stamp, and there is a record of John Wood marrying Anne Stather in 1763 in North Cave. I think I found that one on the FindMyPast website.
Best, Tom
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Hi Tom,
Ann Wood, thanks for confirming the link to Kayzee. So many folk with same name.
I have posted for Lookup for North Cave, this is the link:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=815258.new#new
Night night
Wend