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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Chesapek on Monday 12 December 11 22:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for any information on the family Vance from Harthill around the 1900's I know there was a John Peden Vance who married a Jane Stevenson in Shotts in 1902 they had a few children one being Robert who married Hannah Kennedy McKee and Andrew who married Annette Morris ? from Shotts area I think John P Vance mother wes Elizabeth Peden and father was Robert Vance
thks
Ree
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When and where was John Peden Vance born?
There is a 1901 entry for a John Vance b 1882 West Calder Midlothian - parents Robert & Elizabeth - family were living in Shotts
Have you checked the 1911 census for the family?
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1901 entry Muirhead Row No 62&63 Shotts
Robert Vance 48 b Ireland - coal miner hewer
Elizabeth 43 b West Calder
Robert 21 ditto
John 19 ditto
James 17 ditto
William 15 b Bathgate Linlithgow
Archie 14 b West Calder
Kate 12 b Oakbank Midlothian
Fred 10 b Oakbank
Annie 8 b Woolford Row, Lanarkshire
Lizzie 6 b Shotts
Alexander 4 ditto
Samuel 2 ditto
Thomas Under 1 Month ditto
Shotts ED 5 Page 14 Line 7
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Hi Carole
I think we are on the right thread here I am doing this for my uncle John P Vance who is the Grandson of Jane Stevenson and John Peden Vance married in Shotts in around 1902 his father was Andrew Vance they had an Ice Cream business in Harthill around the 1960s I think
Ree
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You need to check Scotlands People for the marriage of Robert Vance and Elizabeth Stevenson as the marriage cert will give their respective parents names and mothers maiden names
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Hi Carole
Thks I will speak to my uncle tomorrow and get more information thks again
Ree
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Hi
The Vance family i am looking for had an ice cream business in Harthill or round about that area around the 1950/60's Andrew Vance was one of the owners
Ree
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Ree,
My daughter is married to Davi Vance who belongs to the Harthill Vance family you are looking for. His Grandfather & Grandmother are the Andrew & Annette Morris you mention, of Ice Cream fame.
I can put you in touch with the family.
James.
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Thanks for your reply I know the family but it is information from further back I was looking for thks again
Ree
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Hi
The Vance family i am looking for had an ice cream business in Harthill or round about that area around the 1950/60's Andrew Vance was one of the owners
Ree
Sorry, I thought you were looking for information on this family, if you are looking for older records you may have to pay for them.
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Hello Chesapek,
If you send me a pm with your email address, then I can help with your earlier research into this family, I have quite a bit of information on the family of John Vance and Catherine Hoey (parents of Robert Vance/Elizabeth Peden). The family came from the villages of Connor and Kells in the parish of Ballymena in County Antrim and first settled in West Calder (where some of them still live today). Some of them moved to West Benhar.
regards .......
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Hi
Thanks for your reply I am doing this for my uncle who is John Peden Vance and this is the right family you have the information on which would be great if you can share this with us but I think we need to send 3 posts to each other before we can send a private message if I am wrong let me know and I will send you my email address
Rose Marie
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Hi Chesapek
I am pretty sure you will be OK to private message Cauther Lassie :)
As far as I know the rule is 3 posts to anyone at all and you are both way over that limit.
Good luck.
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You will find an account of 4 generations of this family on my website; go to http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/intro.html and search the database. Or see the attached file for a summary.
Regards,
Jamie.
Hi
I am looking for any information on the family Vance from Harthill around the 1900's I know there was a John Peden Vance who married a Jane Stevenson in Shotts in 1902 they had a few children one being Robert who married Hannah Kennedy McKee and Andrew who married Annette Morris ? from Shotts area I think John P Vance mother wes Elizabeth Peden and father was Robert Vance
thks
Ree
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Hello,
I've extracted what I have on this branch of the Vance family to add to your collection on the family name.
regards .... Meg
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Thanks so much - I'm away for a few days, I'll be in touch when I get back.
Jamie.
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Dear Meg,
Thanks for pointing me back to your message here. I've been in hospital and lost track of where I was. I've imported your file, merged it with mine and I'm attaching it to this, together with what is, I think, a list of the people I've added to your data. (But I don't guarantee perfection, especially at the moment! I hope you won't find I've turned the whole thing into soup! And bear in mind that many of my sources are secondary and should not necessarily be relied on.)
Are you in contact with any living male Vances from this line? I know some people claim that you can learn nothing worthwhile from DNA testing; I believe, n the contrary, that we are learning a lot from it. You can see the results at http://www.vancegenealogy.com/index.php.
I look forward to hearing from you again.
Regards,
Jamie.
Hello,
I've extracted what I have on this branch of the Vance family to add to your collection on the family name.
regards .... Meg
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I've had to attach the report of new names separately, for some reason.
Jamie.
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Hi, I have John Vance & Jane White Stevenson in my family tree, I have two children John 1901 and Andrew Caldwell Stevenson Vance born about 1902. If you would like to contact me personally we can maybe help. Though I don't have much on the Vance family, but there is a mention of the Ice Cream deliveries. Anne
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Hi
Sorry it has taken so long to reply could you let me know what information you have on this Vance Family as it is the one i am looking into
Thks
Rose Marie
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Hi Chesapek. All I have on the Vance family. John Vance m Jane White Stevenson, owned local P.O./general Store/Ice cream deliveries. Children
John, lives in Stevenage England, Runs an export/export business.
Andrew Caldwell Stevenson Vance, married Jessie Morris, children John lived in Carluke, Morriss married Lorna live at Whitburn.
Jane White Stevenson's parents were Andrew Caldwell Stevenson & Mary Hendry.
Seems to be a few things not the same but certainly the same family.
The Stevensons are my line. Andrew Caldwell Stevenson came from Northern Ireland.
This information handed down so would like to be corrected if I have some names wrong.
Do you have anything more on the Stevenson side, Thanks Annie
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Hi Annie
Thanks for your reply John Vance who lives in Carluke is my uncle he is married to Anna my Mums sister I sent him the information you sent me but he is not sure who you are can you tell me the connection you are to him
Thks
Rose Marie
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As mentioned way back at the start...........
"Morriss married Lorna live at Whitburn"
Son of Morriss & Lorna is my Son-in-law
James.
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Hi Chesapek, Andrew Caldwell Stevenson who married Mary Hendry was a brother to my Great Grandfather John Stevenson. They were in Northern Ireland, parents were James Stevenson and Jane Agnes White. Where they were born I do not know, but the mother died in Ballycregeagh. Daughter Nancy, Andrew and David went to Scotland, but John married Jane McVicker and stayed in Ireland. John's oldest son James was my Grandfather and he went to Scotland aged 14 to his Uncle Andrew, he married Sarah Forsythe who had also come from Ireland. James & Sarah had 11 children, my father was the fourth, called John.
My parents came to Australia in 1948.
Have found a brick wall in Ireland, so just about given up getting any further back, would really have liked a link back to Scotland as James Stevenson Snr. was originally from Scotland, but where?
Would really like to fill the gaps if your Uncle would do that. Thanks Annie
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I went back to read all the listings and found the history, will study it up and get what information I would require to fill the gaps, thanks, Annie
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Does anyone know where Eric Vance, son of John Vance of Harthill, married Ruth Fritchie in 1961 in Florida? See http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19610701&id=cnYyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EOkFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3389,412969
Regards,
Jamie.
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Hi
Do you have anymore information on Eric like who his parents were or what school he went to or if he had any siblings
I am doing this reserch for my uncle who is a Vance from Harthill
Thks
Rose Marie
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Dear Rose Marie,
That newspaper reference was the first mention I'd seen of Eric, hence my query about who he is/was. I've looked at Scotlands People and found:
1929
VANCE
ERIC
M
SHOTTS (EASTERN DISTRICT)
/LANARK
655/02 0115
but there's no access to the details without ordering a copy which costs £12, so it will have to wait - which is a pity because, as I've mentioned, the one thing I want to find is a male Vance who is prepared to have a DNA test done.
I've since found lots of info on Ancestry, posted by a Vance - but it's flawed, to say the least, so I don't know what to believe. For example, Eric's father is said to have been born in Ireland in 1890, to be in Scotland in the 1841 census and in the USA in the 1880 census! I'm trying to contact the person who posted the info for clarification.
If this person is essentially right about the family, he doesn't appear to be a descendant of John Vance and Catherine Hoay, but could be related in an earlier generation.
Of course if I find anything worthwhile, I'll post it.
Regards,
Jamie.
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Hi
I understand this is an old thread but I have just came across it whilst starting to look into my family tree.i believe from what I can gather that I would be John Vance + Catherine Hoey's Great great great granddaughter? I'm new to this but I can trace directly back from my dads side,Elizabeth Vance and James Mcready Brown being my great great grandparents.I only started looking because my middle name is actually Vance and always wondered where it had came from originally.i noticed on one of the attachments from an earlier post that someone posted here that they could not find anymore on Elizabeth Vance + James Brown's family after 1881 census and wondered if they had emigrated else where,I'm assuming they mustn't have because all my family is from edinburgh,and my father and grandparents were born in scotland.
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Hi
Just came across your post and noticed that I'm also connected to the Vance family through the Sneddons. Fred,Archibald and Catherine all married into the same Sneddon Family. The Sneddons are my great aunts and uncles.
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All,
My name is Ross Ian Vance. Eric Vance from Harthill (1929) is my father and John Vance and Mary Anne Carson Vance from Harthill are my grandparents. I have spent years tracing my specific family history and would be glad to fill in some wholes. I understand this thread is old, but my email is rossianvance@gmail.com or we can Chat on this forum. I would also be fascinated by some of your research. Especially Chesapek. Is this thread still alive?
Ross Ian
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Hi I am the person that's researching the Vance family from Harthill my uncle is John Vance his family had the ice cream business in Harthill around1955/60 or beyond if you pm me I will give you all the info I have if it is the same line which I think it is
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Hey Chesapek! Glad to hear from you. I tried for about 15 minutes to figure out how to PM in this forum and my best determination is that I do not have the rights, being a 'one-star' member. Again, my email is (*). Please drop me a line or send me you address and we can compare notes. :)
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Hi Ross
Do you know who your grandfather John's parents were? I am pulling all the information I have on the Vance family from Harthill just now for my Uncle but I can't find the connection with Eric
Rose Marie
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My father Eric Vance has one brother, Ross Vance, who's wife, Frida, lives in Harthill today. Ross and Eric's parents were John Thomas Vance and Mary Anne (Annie) Carson. Mary Ann's parents owned the chain of mercantile shops throughout Scotland. Their names were James (Jamie) Carson and Jane Eaton. Mary had at least one sister, named Kattie. John Vance's parents where Thomas Vance and Elizabeth Rennie. John, also, had a brother named Robert. Thomas, John Thomas, and Ross (3 generations) all worked in the Coal mines.
Thats our family history back to great grandparents anyway. What have you gathered?
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In the Vance line I am researching there was a Thomas Vance born In 1900/01 and lived at 62&63 Muirhead Row Shotts do you know if he was the father of John Thomas. Robert Vance and Elizabeth Peden Vance were the parents of Thomas
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I think this attachment should tie together many of the threads in this forum and answer several questions including yours, Chesapek, about Robert Vance and Elizabeth Peden.
What would be REALLY interesting is a DNA test on one of the living male Vances - that would show us how these Vances fit into the bigger picture of the various Vance families that exist - see http://www.vancegenealogy.com/index.php.
Regards,
Jamie.
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DNA Tests cost a lot of money and tell you nothing.
JK.
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You are, of course, entitled to that opinion. Many of us, in the Vans/Vance families, have found the results extremely interesting.
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Hello folks
I am doing my family history at the minute - my grandmother was Carson and her sister, Mary Ann married Vance from Harthill and had two sons, Eric and Ross. My husband and I visited Ross and his wife when in Scotland in 1973/4. I have photos of the Vance/Carson family and would love to send copies of them on and details of the family history. The Carsons were from County Antrim.
Regards May K
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Thanks, May. My interest is solely in the Vances; I'm happy to share my info with you if you want.
Jamie.
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Robert (b. 1854), Elizabeth (b. 1859) and Robert Vance (b. 1880) from Ireland (although Robert Jnr was born in West Calder) were living with my Great, Great, Great Grandparents John (1836-1908) and Catherine (1831-1905) at 5 Tay Street, West Calder according to the 1881 Scotland Census. I'm interested to know if this Vance family are connected to my ancestors and if so, how. I have family history information going back to the early 1800's, so feel free to contact me with any questions or information.
Thanks
Andrew
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It must be this family, I think.
Jamie.
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It must be this family, I think.
Jamie.
There appears to be a connection here! Thanks for your help.
:)
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It must be this family, I think.
Jamie.
There appears to be a connection here! Thanks for your help.
:)
You're welcome. Can you add anything to that? Do you know of any male Vances from that line who might be persuaded to take a DNA test?
Jamie.
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It must be this family, I think.
Jamie.
There appears to be a connection here! Thanks for your help.
:)
You're welcome. Can you add anything to that? Do you know of any male Vances from that line who might be persuaded to take a DNA test?
Jamie.
Unfortunately I don't know any of the Vances and the Pedens I do know are no longer with us, my apologies.
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Unfortunately I don't know any of the Vances and the Pedens I do know are no longer with us, my apologies.
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LOL, no problem — not your fault!!
All the best,
Jamie.
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Hi my name is Andrew miller
My grand mother was Margret Vance
I believer her brother was Robert Vance who died in 1997
He lived at 6 muirhead place. East field
Harthill
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Hi. My grandmother was Margret Vance. Her brother was Robert Vance I believe
She married my grandfather who was james miller. All from shotts and hart hill