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Title: Urgent help needed
Post by: Lisajj on Tuesday 20 December 11 10:22 GMT (UK)
Dear all
I know that we're in the week leading up to Christmas, but I am hoping that you can help me.  one of my dearest friends is dying and may not see new year (its really sad).  She has always wanted to do her family tree, so as a last gift to her, I've offered to do it for her.  As I'm also at work leading up to Christmas, I feel that I am running out of time to get as much info to her as possible!  I have done some, but wondered if I put some basic details on here, if some of you really kind lovely people would just take a little of your very precious time and see what you can find?  I don't mind if I get 10 people find the same thing!  My thoughts are, the more people working on this, the more we will find in a short time.  I've started on A******y and have found out some of her family.  If I give you the details of her parents and grandparents, etc. then I'll leave the rest up to you.  The more obscure the findings are the better.  What I've managed to show her so far has really cheered her up and has given her something else to focus on.  Thank you so much for taking time to read this and to help wherever you can.  It means such a lot to me (and her).

Lisa

Father: Donald Neal born 1905 Burslem, Staffordshire, died 1961 Coventry
Donalds father: John Joseph Neal born 1878 Church Gresley, Derbys
Donalds mother: Emily Pocock born 1880, Church Gresley, Derbys
John Josephs parents: Joseph Neal and Sarah Mackie
Emilys parents: Thomas Pocock and Sarah ?

Mother: Winifred Murial Cane born 6 Apr 1910, Hampstead died 1981 Leamington
Winifreds father: Frederick Cane born 22 May 1882, Hampstead
Winifreds mother: Agnes Bertha Clarke born 1883 St Pancras died 1967 Harrow
Fredericks parents: Richard Cane and Emma Jones
Agnes parents: George Clarke and Clara?

The family seemed to have a fascination with Portugal.  My friend is very interested in the Pocock name as it her middle name and also until I found it, she hadn't heard of the name Mackie.

thanks everyone
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: AMBLY on Tuesday 20 December 11 11:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa

What a special gift for your friend,  I'm sure we can help!  Here's a start:

1881: 3 Halls Row, Hamlet of Swadlincote, Church Gresely, Derbyshire
RG11 / Piece: 2758 / Folio: 40 / Page: 11
Head: Joseph NEAL 20, Fireman at Pipe Works, b Wilson, Leicester
Wife: Sarah NEAL 29,  b Wilson, Leicester
Dau: Amey Jane NEAL 4, b Kings Newton, Derbyshire
Son: John Joseph NEAL 3, b Greseley
Dau: Ada NEAL 3mths, b Swadlincote
Father-in-Law: John MACKIE 77, widower, no occupation, b Wilson, Leicester

http://www.swad.com/
http://www.derbyphotos.co.uk/areas_p_z/swadlincote.htm

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brett/woodville/wood_wjmackie.htm
This takes you well back & around  with the MACKIE's - an excellent site for you:


Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 20 December 11 11:59 GMT (UK)
Here is little Emily in 1881:

POCOCK, Thomas Head Married M 44 1837 General Laborer
 Shalbourne Berkshire   
POCOCK, Sarah Wife Married F 42 1839
 Chilton Wiltshire
POCOCK, May Maria Daughter Single F 21 1860
 Chilton Wiltshire
POCOCK, John Son Single M 15 1866 Potter
 Rivar Parish of Shalbourne 
POCOCK, Elizabeth Priscilla Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
 Inkpen Berkshire
POCOCK, Sarah Ann Daughter Single F 4 1877
 Church Gresley Derbyshire
POCOCK, Emily Daughter Single F 1 1880
 Church Gresley Derbyshire
POCOCK, A Elizabeth Grand Daughter Single F 1 1880
 Swadlincote Derbyshire

Lansdowne Road, Church Gresley (Derby)
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:04 GMT (UK)
The Pocock family in 1861:

The Lane, Shalbourne. Berkshire:

POCOCK, Thomas Head Married M 24 1837 Labourer
 Shalbourne Berkshire   
POCOCK, Sarah Wife Married F 21 1840
 Chilton Wiltshire
POCOCK, Mary ... Daughter  F 1 1860
 Chilton Wiltshire
POCOCK, Pricilla Daughter  F 0 (5D) 1861
 Shalbourne Wiltshire 

 
 
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:07 GMT (UK)
The Clarke family in 1891

9 Harrow Villas, Willesden
George Clarke  Head  MAr  44  Retired farmer  bn Bucks Adstock
Clara  wife  37
Gertrude A dau  15
Beatrice M  dau  13
John B  son  11
Agnes B  dau  8
Herbert G  son  6
Evelyn M  dau  3  bn Middx Willesden

All born St Pancras unless otherwise mentioned.
RG12; Piece: 1058; Folio 5
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:08 GMT (UK)
Winifred Muriel Cane is at 51 Parkhill Rd, Hampstead N W in 1911 with her father Frederick and mother Agnes Bertha they had been married 2 years and Winifred was the first child

on 9 Sept 1932 Winfired arrived in Southampton on the ship Flandria which had picked her up in Lexioes, her proposed address in the UK was Tythe Barn Stanmore Middlesex she travelled 2nd class and was a nurse
she was not accompanied and was aged 22
her country of last permanent residence was Portugal and her intended future residence was foreign countires.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:14 GMT (UK)
Clarke family 1881 - with a prior wife?
44 Rochester Rd
George Clarke  Head  Mar  34 Minister of the Catholic Apostle Church serving at Gordon Square (I think)  bn Bucks Adstock
Alice M Clarke  Wife  33
Gertrude A Clarke  dau  5
Beatrice M Clarke  dau 3
John B Clarke  son  1

All bn St Pancras unless otherwise mentioned.
RG11; Piece: 212; Folio: 74; Page: 9
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:17 GMT (UK)
George Clarke mar Alice Mary Goodhall Sept qtr 1874 Pancras 1b 301
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:22 GMT (UK)
Agnes Bertha Clarke was a Governess in 1901 to the Crabtree Family in Worcester
a Governess was not the best job to have as they were expected to do work in the house and look after the children in additon to teaching them so long hours in exchange usually for bed and board.

added:
Governess sometimes didnt know much more than the eldest child in their charge
there was no formal training for them and sometiems they were expected to help out with the household chores, they couldnt socialise with the family or with the staff so they were rather inbetweeners and sometimes with young males in the hosue and an unaccompanied young lady problems arose!
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:32 GMT (UK)
Maybe George Clarke in 1861?

Broomfield Road, Harborne

Willm Willington  Head  Mar  34  Puddler  Staffs Cannock
Jane Willington  Wife  MAr  43  bn Haddinton Bucks
William Clarke  Son  19  Labourer  bn ?ford, BUcks
George Clarke  Son  14  Labourer  bn Adstock, BUcks
Charles Clarke  Son  10  Scholar  bn  Staffs, Smethwick
William Kent  Father (?)  Wid  30  Gardner  bn Adstock, Bucks

RG9; Piece: 2126; Folio: 76; Page: 22
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:32 GMT (UK)
1861 for Thomas Pocock

RG9;  723;  103;  8;
The Lane Shalbourne
Thomas Pocock 24 labourer b.  Shalbourne
Sarah Pocock 21  b. chilton
Mary Maria Pocock 1 b. do.
Pricilla Pocock 5 Days  b.  Shalbourne
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:34 GMT (UK)
sorry Cati missed that one

here they are in 1871


Thomas Pocock 32 head ag lab b. Shalbourne
Sarah Pocock 31 wife b. Chilton
Mary M Pocock 11 dau. b. Shalbourne
Rosanna Pocock 9 dau. b. do.
Louiza Pocock 8 dau scholar b. do.
John Pocock 5 son scholar b. do.
William Pocock 5 Months i think although it could say days  :-\ ) b. do.

 
: RG10; : 1253;  111;  20;
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:41 GMT (UK)

i found this christening in the England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
 
Thomas Pocock, Male
Christening : 20 Nov 1836 : Shalbourn, Wiltshire, England
Father : John Pocock
Mother: Hannah

ok the years are out slightly but the place is spot on

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:45 GMT (UK)
Thomas christened in 1836 is here in 1841

transcribed as Posack

John 39 Ag lab
Hanna 44
Isaac 15
George  8
Thos  5
Thos Ferman 70

All Y BIC

 HO107; 21;  22;  11;  16;

it is very hard to read
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:49 GMT (UK)
i have found John & Hannah Pocock  in 1861 Shalbourne
John 66 b. Inkpen - he is a labourer
Hannah  70 b. Woodford and
neice Harriett aged 5 b. Shalbourne
RG9;  723; 107;  16
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 12:56 GMT (UK)
i found a marriage for a John Pocock to Hannah Hayter in Durnford 6 Aug 1822 on Familysearch

John & Hannah i found in 1841 appear to have started having children in Shalbourne in 1822
christenings
Isaac 19 April 1827
Thomas 20 Nov 1836
Emma 4 Dec 1822
 CHarles 1825
George 1833
 
 

 
there was another couple John Pocock and Hannah (nee Gould) who married in 1828 Radley and they had children in Radley which is why i think Hannah Hayter is ours and not Hannah Gould
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:01 GMT (UK)
Marriages Sep 1859   
Hungerford  2c 391 
Hobbs  Sarah       
Pocock  Thomas     

 :)
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:13 GMT (UK)
Little Priscilla Pocock was an infant death by the look of it:


Deaths Mar 1862   (>99%)
~~~~~~~~
 
POCOCK  Priscilla    Melksham  5a 71
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:31 GMT (UK)
Wonder if these are the same Pococks?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,468966.0.html

Cati
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:35 GMT (UK)
Frederick Cane :

he was christened 23 July 1882 at St Marks  Regents Park son of Richard a Mercantile clerk and Emma
their address was 8 Bernard Street
the entry denotes his birth as 22nd May 1882

the 1901 census  shows Frederick  (19) with his parents Richard (54) and E J (59) and younger siblings Herbert (17) and Louisa (15) at 2 Bridge Road Hampstead
they had 3 servants a governess a cook and a housing domestic
Richard was born just down the road from me in Rype [sic] Ripe Sussex !
Herbet was a student
Frederick was an assitant to his father a Bleaching ? manufacturer

1911 he is with AGnes Bertha as before

i cant spot him on earlier census  :-\

Richard & Emma seemed to have had a number of children:

William bp. 20 Aug 1873 Hampstead St Saviour b. Feb 9 1873 Richard is a draper adress 148 Regents park Road
Emma bp. 19 April 1874 Primrose Hill Camden also 9 April 1874 at Hampstead St Saviour b. 29 Jan 184 fathers details as above
Richard bp. 18 April 1875 at both address 7 bernard street, richard father is a commercial traveller
Henry 30 July 1876 Hampstead St Stephen the Martyr deatils as above
Bessie 11 Nov 1877 ditto. 7 bernard street, richard is now a clerk
John 25 May 1879  do. 8 bernard street / clerk
Marchant 27 Feb 1881 St marks Regent Park b. nov 22nd 1880 . 8 bernard street mercantile clerk
Frederick 23 July 1882 ditto. as at top of page
herbert 9 march 1884 ditto. b. 26 Jan 1884 mercantile clerk / 8 bernard street
Louisa 12 July 1885 ditto. b. 29th may 1885 8 bernard street / mercantile clerk

its interesting to see how Richard moved up in the worked from commerical traveller to mercantile clerk and could afford servants and the like

going from 7 bernard street to no. 8 bernard street doesnt mean they moved next door it may mean that another house was built next to number 1 or something thus renumbering the whole street. these days we would just use 1a 1b
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:46 GMT (UK)
i cannot find a Richard Cane Emma Jones marriage   :-\ but i did find a Richard Cane Emma Smith marriage
8 Feb 1872 St Matthews at St Pancras
Richard cane / full / bachelor / upholster (written once between the bride and groom entries) / ashington or arlington street/ john cane / farmer
Emma Smith / full / spinster / upholster ? / ashington or arlington street / hnery amith / coal merchant
both signed
witnesses also signed John Smith & Elizabeth Jane Smith
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:50 GMT (UK)
i cant find Richard on the SFHG database

i did however find him on the 1861 census with his uncle Richard Marchant
RG9; 579;  135; 7; -

and in 1851 with his parents John & Philadelphia

HO107; : 1643;  656; : 9;
also persent are several extended family members
brother in law John Beard
sister in law Emma Beard
brother Matthew Cane
and then some servants

added
John &  Philadelphia in 1871
 RG10;  1042;  41;  35



Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 13:59 GMT (UK)
i found a marriage for John Cane to Philadelphia Marchant 31 Jan 1844 at Laughton which is next door to Ripe


John Cane was christened 1st April 1809 Ripe to William Cane and Ann
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 14:04 GMT (UK)
Philadelphia Marchant was christened 21 May 1811 at STreet again this is very near to Ripe and Laughton
she is the daughter of Rich [sic] and Emma

she is in Laughton in 1841 but has been mistranscribed as Morehart !

s/borough Laughton
Richard Marchant  42 Farmer
Ann 12
Richard 8
Mary 6
Elizabeth 4
/
Emma Marchant 65 ind
Philadelphia Marchant 25 ind
John Fennell 15 ag lab
Trayton Jones 15 do.
Sarrah Diggins 15 F.S
Eliza Burfield 15 F.S

all BIC



they (Richard & Emma) had other children christened at Street
Richard 5 Dec 1795 Street
Eliz Dennet marchant 29 Sept 1809
Emma 23 Jan 1798
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 14:12 GMT (UK)
Possible death for Alice Mary Clarke (nee Goodhall), for Mar qtr 1888, Hendon 3a 127

Which would then lead to a marriage between George Clarke and Clara Garrett in Jun qtr 1889, Pancras 1b 224

If this is correct, it would mean that Agnes is Alice's daughter rather than Clara's daughter.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 14:22 GMT (UK)
tried to fill in a few gaps


Father: Donald Neal born 1905 Burslem, Staffordshire, died 1961 Coventry
Donalds father: John Joseph Neal born 1878 Church Gresley, Derbys
Donalds mother: Emily Pocock born 1880, Church Gresley, Derbys
John Josephs parents: Joseph Neal and Sarah Mackie
Emilys parents: Thomas Pocock and Sarah Hobbs
Thomas Parents: John Pocock & Hannah Hayter

Mother: Winifred Murial Cane born 6 Apr 1910, Hampstead died 1981 Leamington
Winifreds father: Frederick Cane born 22 May 1882, Hampstead
Winifreds mother: Agnes Bertha Clarke born 1883 St Pancras died 1967 Harrow
Fredericks parents: Richard Cane and Emma Smith
Agnes parents: George Clarke and Alice Mary Goodhall
Richards parents: John Cane and Philadelphia Marchant
Emmas parents: Henry Smith and ?
Johns parents: William Cane and Ann Cruttenden (married 29 July 1799 at Ripe)
Philadelphias parents: Richard Marchant and Emma ?



Nearest marriage I can find 25 Aug 1795 Wivlesfield Richard Marchant and Emma Brooker – needs further investigation
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 14:22 GMT (UK)
William Willington mar Jane Clark Mar qtr 1855 W Bromwich 6b 633
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 14:29 GMT (UK)
George Clarke's mother in 1851.  Can't see George as yet......

HO107; Piece: 2050; Folio: 92; Page: 31

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 20 December 11 15:12 GMT (UK)
Father: Donald Neal born 1905 Burslem, Staffordshire, died 1961 Coventry
Donalds father: John Joseph Neal born 1878 Church Gresley, Derbys
Donalds mother: Emily Pocock born 1880, Church Gresley, Derbys
John Josephs parents: Joseph Neal and Sarah Mackie married c 7/10/1874 her father, John Mackie
Emilys parents: Thomas Pocock and Sarah Hobbs
Thomas Pocock b 1836 to John Pocock b 1803 and Hannah Hayter b 1799
John Pocock b 1803 to John Pocock and Milley (Amelia) Culley


Red denotes information from Ancestry, Free BMD, FamilySearch etc, etc.
I am still playing with it, the TREE that is. I am too old for the other  ::) ::) :-\

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Lisajj on Tuesday 20 December 11 16:07 GMT (UK)
Thank you all so much!  You have helped fill in some of the gaps that I have.

As always, rootschatters are always very helpful and very kind! 

Don't stop though - you still may find some more yet!

Lisa
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 17:30 GMT (UK)
George Clarke's mother in 1851.  Can't see George as yet......

HO107; Piece: 2050; Folio: 92; Page: 31

Think I have him now - in North End Union Workhouse
Mathew Clarke  inmate 9  scholar 
Richard Clarke  inmate  9  scholar
William Clarke  inmate  7  scholar
George Clarke  inmate  5  scholar

All born Adstock HO107; Piece: 1724; Folio: 172; Page: 27
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 20 December 11 17:38 GMT (UK)
Finding a father for George is difficult because it looks as if he was dead/out of the picture by 1851;  however as I guess there is no time to get certs to confirm everything, I would hazard a guess that George's father is William Clark aged 25, bn in county and living in Adstock with a 25yr old Jane Clark.  On the same page is a Kent family headed up by John Kent aged 38 - related to Jane in someway?

HO107; Piece 44 Folio: 8; Page: 11
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 19:12 GMT (UK)
Hannah Hayter christening
Christening    19 Oct 1794   Woodford, Wiltshire, England
Father's Name:   Harry Hayter
Mother's Name:   Ann

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 19:28 GMT (UK)
Emma Marchant nee Unknown was buried on 31 May 1843 at Streat her residence at the time was Laughton she was aged 67 years
which matches exactly the 1841 census
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 19:34 GMT (UK)
1861

transcribed as Casse but it is Cane
Ripe
John    52 farmer 130 acres employing 2 men and 2 boys b. Ripe
Philadelphia    49 wife b. Streat
John    16 farmers son b. Ripe
Emma    12 dau scholar b. do.
William    9  son do. b. do.
Elizabeth M D     5 dau. scholar b. chiddingly
Elizabeth D Marchant   51 visitor annuiant b. Streat
Emily Dann   25 general servant b. Hellingly
 RG9;  588;  38; : 7
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 20 December 11 19:39 GMT (UK)
Deleted this post as realised I had confused names/places
Cati
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 19:45 GMT (UK)
Philadelphia Marchant was christened 21 May 1811 Streat d/o Richard Marchant and Emma
we have her on the 1841 census with her mother Emma
Next door to her brother Richard
Emma then dies in 1843  & Philadelphia Marchant marries John Marchant  31 Jan 1844 at Laughton
then at St Jonhs church in Ripe they had the following children christened
John 7 April 1845
Richard 10 May 1847
Emma 30 March 1849
William 23 Sept 1851
on each entry John Cane was a farmer _ this is confirmed by the census
we have the 1851 census with the extended family members one of whom is Emma Beard so either Emma Cane (is there an Emma Cane)  or Emma Marchant marries John Beard
then in1861 John & Philadelphia are in ripe with their children and also Philadelphias sister Elizabeth Dennet Marchant who is unmarried (where does the Dennet name come from?)
we have the 1871 census for John & Philadelphia

i dont seem to have 1881 or 1891

but Philadelphia was buried aged 80 on 28 Jan 1892 at Ripe


 
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 19:48 GMT (UK)
eliz / Elizabeth Dennet Marchant

1871 RG10; : 1073; : 12; : 17


Richard brother of Philadelphia and eliz Dennet had a daughter also Elizabeth Dennett Marchant
they are here in 1851
HO107;  1638;  329;  11
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 20 December 11 20:04 GMT (UK)
IGI shows the marriage of John Pocock and Milley Culley 6 DEC 1796   at Buttermere, Wiltshire.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 21:15 GMT (UK)
William Cane & Ann nee Cruttenden seemed to have 4 children christened in Ripe

Ann 1 Dec 1803 - died 1849 i think
William 16 Aug 1805
Edward 31 July 1807
John  1 Apr 1809
Matthias 25 July 1813

now i found Ann and Edward together but not together on one of the census but i cannot find William or Ann senior so assume they must have died pre 1841 making it difficult to get back further.

a burial that might be of interest is ANn Cane  aged 68 years 2 Feb 1837 Ripe St John

i then found a christening of Ann Cruttenden 23 May 1768 also at Ripe to John and Ann

i need someone with an SMI to be able to find the marriage of John Cruttenden and Ann

they had a number of children at Ripe


Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 21:21 GMT (UK)
a William Cane was christened 14 July 1775 s/o Edward & Mary Cane
a William Cane (of Fletching) was buried at ripe on 23 Aug 1837 aged 62 years

i think this is father of John husband of Ann Cruttenden

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 20 December 11 21:42 GMT (UK)
Edward Cane married Mary Earle 4 Feb 1766 at Ripe


children christenings at Ripe

Mary Cane   03 Nov 1772   
William Cane   14 Jul 1775   
John Cane   16 May 1767   death:   22 May 1767   
John Cane   09 Aug 1768   
Edward Cane   03 Aug 1777   

i think i will leave it here for now and try to pad it our a bit tomorrow for you as so far i have just given you a collection of names.

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 10:12 GMT (UK)
I asked a cousin who has access to the SMI to look up some marriage details for me and wow he has come up trumps

here they are :

Edward Cane – Mary Earle 4 Feb 1766 Ripe East Sussex (no abreviations)
   
John Cruttenden – Ann Moon 4 Aug 1764 Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence
John  30+ Cordwainer Ripe
Ann 20+ Little Horsted wcof Thomas Moon otsp
wcof – with consecnt of father
otsp – of the same parish
John Cruttenden – Ann Moon 12 Aug 1764 Little Horsted otp (lic)
 
William Cane – Ann Cruttenden 12 Jul 1799 Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence
William Cane – Ann Cruttenden 12 Jul 1799 Ripe East Sussex
William  bach yeo 23+ Ripe
Ann sp 30+ otsp
extra info.  SRS 25 22 W C John Earle yeo Southover  (SRS25 – Sussex Record Society Vol. 25) SS – sponsors re lic
 
Richard Marchant – Emma Brooker 26 ASug 1795 Wivelsfield East Sussex
Richard yeo Streat
Emma Minor WCOM Jane Brooker wid (lic)
 
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 11:38 GMT (UK)
Edward Cane – Mary Earle 4 Feb 1766 Ripe East Sussex
children christenings at Ripe

Mary 03 Nov 1772
** William  14 Jul 1775 married Ann Cruttenden **
Edward 03 Aug 1777 married 31 July 1814 Ripe to Harriot Carpenter
John  16 May 1767 death: 22 May 1767
John  09 Aug 1768

John Cruttenden – Ann Moon 4 Aug 1764 Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence
John  30+ Cordwainer Ripe
Ann 20+ Little Horsted wcof Thomas Moon otsp
wcof – with consent of father
otsp – of the same parish
John Cruttenden – Ann Moon 12 Aug 1764 Little Horsted otp (lic)

Children christenings at Ripe
** Ann 23 May 1768 married William Cane **
John 21 Apr 1771
Thomas 15 Feb 1773
Mary Ann 4 Sept 1785

William Cane – Ann Cruttenden 12 Jul 1799 Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence
William Cane – Ann Cruttenden 12 Jul 1799 Ripe East Sussex
William  bach yeo 23+ Ripe
Ann sp 30+ otsp
extra info.  SRS 25 22 W C John Earle yeo Southover  (SRS25 – Sussex Record Society Vol. 25) SS – sponsors re lic

Children of William Cane and Ann nee Cruttenden:
Ann 1 Dec 1803 - died 1849 unmarried i think
William 16 Aug 1805
Edward 31 July 1807 married Julia Cruttenden (d/o John Cruttenden) 16 April 1838 Ripe
** John  1 Apr 1809 married Philadelphia Marchant 1844 **
Matthias 25 July 1813 married Mary Ann Pursglove (d/o Henry Pursglove) 20 Jan 1841 Ripe

William Cane (of Fletching) was buried at ripe on 23 Aug 1837 aged 62 years
ANn Cane aged 68 years was buried 2 Feb 1837 Ripe St John

Philadelphia Marchant was christened 21 May. 1811 Streat the child of Richard Marchant and Emma nee Brooker
 
Richard Marchant – Emma Brooker 26 Aug 1795 Wivelsfield East Sussex
Richard yeo Streat
Emma Minor WCOM Jane Brooker wid (lic)
Other Children of Richard & Emma christened at Streat :
Richard 5 Dec 1795
Eliz Dennet Marchant 29 Sept 1809
Emma 23 Jan 1798 marries John Beard

Emmy Brooker was christened 24 Sept 1775 Wivelsfield the daughter of John Brooker and Jane nee Carter who were married in 1763 in Wivelsfield
Her siblings christened at Wivelsfield were :
Thomas 17 March 1765
James 25 Oct 1767
George 16 Sept 1770
Jane 14 March 1773

There is a child christened 10 Jan 1813 in Wivelsfield Emmy Wood Brooker she was illegitimate and her mother is given as Emmy Brooker which has confused me as our Emmy Brooker was by then married to Richard Marchant and living in Streat, however the christening of Emmy Brooker (1775) in Wivelsfield ties in with the age at marriage, 1841 census and burial of Emma Marchant nee Brooker and we also know that her mother is Jane, who by 1795 was a widow.  So who is Emmy Wood Brooker b. 1812/1813

Emma Marchant nee Brooker was buried on 31 May 1843 at Streat her residence at the time was Laughton she was aged 67 years
which matches exactly the age (65) and address on the 1841 census where she is living with her daughter Philadelphia next door to her [Emma’s] son Richard.

John Cane married Philadelphia Marchant 31 Jan 1844 Laughton 
Children christened at St Jonhs church in Ripe
John 7 April 1845
** Richard 10 May 1847 marries Emma Smith 8 Feb 1872 St Matthew St Pancras**
Emma 30 March 1849
William 23 Sept 1851
on each entry John Cane, father was a farmer this is confirmed by the census.

Philadelphia was buried aged 80 on 28 Jan 1892 at Ripe.


Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 11:59 GMT (UK)
Now to attempt to follow them through the census (and find burials for the earlier generations)  and to find the source of the name Dennet  which was carried through the generations.

Edward Cane m. Mary Earle 1766 so born at least 1745 if not before find christenings and burials
Children
Mary b. 1772 Ripe find marriage / burial, census   
(William m. Ann Cruttenden have their marriage, children, burials pre 1841)
Edward 03 Aug 1777 married 31 July 1814 Ripe to Harriot Carpenter find on census to death  
John  16 May 1767 death: 22 May 1767
John  09 Aug 1768 find marriage / burial, census  

John Cruttenden – Ann Moon 4 Aug 1764 Archdeaconry of Lewes Marriage Licence
John  30+ Cordwainer Ripe find christening and burials
Ann 20+ Little Horsted wcof Thomas Moon otsp find christening and burials
wcof – with consent of father
otsp – of the same parish
John Cruttenden – Ann Moon 12 Aug 1764 Little Horsted otp (lic)

Children christenings at Ripe
(Ann 23 May 1768 married William Cane  have their marriage, children, burials pre 1841)
John 21 Apr 1771 find marriage / burial, census 
Thomas 15 Feb 1773 find marriage / burial, census 
Mary Ann 4 Sept 1785  find marriage / burial, census 

Children of William Cane and Ann nee Cruttenden:
Ann 1 Dec 1803 - died 1849 unmarried i think,   double check, find in 1841
William 16 Aug 1805  find marriage / burial, census 
Edward 31 July 1807 married Julia Cruttenden (d/o John Cruttenden) 16 April 1838 Ripe  Is Julia connected to Ann? How ? find on census to death
** John  1 Apr 1809 married Philadelphia Marchant 1844 **  find Johns death find in 1881 / 1891
Matthias 25 July 1813 married Mary Ann Pursglove (d/o Henry Pursglove) 20 Jan 1841 Ripe  follow through census to death

Richard Marchant – Emma Brooker 26 Aug 1795 Wivelsfield East Sussex
Richard yeo Streat
Emma Minor WCOM Jane Brooker wid (lic)
Other Children, in addition to Philadelphia,  of Richard & Emma christened at Streat :
Richard 5 Dec 1795  find marriage / census / death
Eliz Dennet Marchant 29 Sept 1809  find marriage / census / death
Emma 23 Jan 1798 marries John Beard  find census / death

 Confirm this is our Emma /Emmy
Emmy Brooker was christened 24 Sept 1775 Wivelsfield the daughter of John Brooker and Jane nee Carter who were married in 1763 in Wivelsfield
Her siblings christened at Wivelsfield were :
Thomas 17 March 1765   find marriage / census / death
James 25 Oct 1767  find marriage / census / death
George 16 Sept 1770  find marriage / census / death
Jane 14 March 1773  find marriage / census / death

There is a child christened 10 Jan 1813 in Wivelsfield Emmy Wood Brooker she was illegitimate and her mother is given as Emmy Brooker which has confused me as our Emmy Brooker was by then married to Richard Marchant and living in Streat, however the christening of Emmy Brooker (1775) in Wivelsfield ties in with the age at marriage, 1841 census and burial of Emma Marchant nee Brooker and we also know that her mother is Jane, who by 1795 was a widow.   So who is Emmy Wood Brooker b. 1812/1813

John Cane married Philadelphia Marchant 31 Jan 1844 Laughton 
Children christened at St Jonhs church in Ripe
John 7 April 1845  find marriage / census / death
(Richard 10 May 1847 marries Emma Smith 8 Feb 1872 St Matthew St Pancras)
Emma 30 March 1849   find marriage / census / death
William 23 Sept 1851   find marriage / census / death
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Lisajj on Wednesday 21 December 11 12:24 GMT (UK)
You are all amazing.  Thank you so much.  I will be taking all of this to her tomorrow afternoon.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 12:35 GMT (UK)
Alice Mary Goodall in 1871:

246 camden Road
Jonathan C Goodhall  Head  Mar  61  Retired wholesale stationer  bn St Pancras
Jane  Wife  Mar  56  bn Isle of Wight Newport
W S C  son unm  30  bn St Pancras
Fanny Maria  dau  26  unm  bn St Pancras
Alice Mary  dau  23  unm  bn St Pancras

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 12:41 GMT (UK)
1861 census:

14 Gt College? St, Camden Town

Jonathan C Goodall  Head  Mar  51  Playing card manufacturer stationer employing 100 men and boys and 59 women and girls  bn Marylebone
Jane   Wife  Mar  40  bn IOW Newport
Jane Eliza  Dau  20  bn Pancras
Emily L Dau  18  bn Pancras
Fanny M  Dau  16  bn Pancras
ALice M  Dau  13  Scholar  bn Pancras
Jonathan C  Son  10  Scholar  bn Pancras

RG9; Piece: 116; Folio: 87; Page: 24
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 12:51 GMT (UK)
Jonathan Charles Goodall  died 19 Aug 1885.  Will proved by Jane Goodall, widow and William Gage Spicer, paper maker.  JCG left £17,392 5s 10d  which would be about £1,041,624.35 today  :o
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 12:59 GMT (UK)
JCG was baptised in a non-conformist church - National Scotch Church (indexed by ancestry as United REformed Church REgents Square)

Charles and Elizabeth Goodall were the parents, Charles being a Card Maker of 30 Gt Pulteney St.
Children:
JCG bn 15 Dec 1809
Elizabeth bn 28 May 1811
Hannah bn 23 Apr 1817
Mary Anne bn 19 Nov 1824
Frances bn 16 Nov 1826
Josiah Montague  bn 7 oct 1828
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 13:15 GMT (UK)
Edward Cane m. Julia Cruttenden

1841 Census just Edward  (a farmer) & Julia at Ripe both given as aged 30 and BIC

1851 census

1861 census Edward, 53 is at Chalvington a farmer of 200 acres employing several men (maybe 6 or 4)  and 8 boys. Also Present is Julia 53 b. Arlington , and children Mary A 19, Margaret 17, William E 16, Alfred 15,  Julia (who is transcribed as aged 3 but I am not entirely sure she is it doesn’t match with the 3 in 53, she could be 8) all children b, Chiddingly. They have a house servant Pheobe Mockford and a cowman Henry Parsons living with them.

1871 census Manor Farm, Ripe. Edward Cane still 53! Farmer 200 acres employing 6 men and 8 boys with wife Julia who is also still 53 and children  Margaret 27, Julia 18, Alfred 25, Thomas 23, and then George R Bass 15 farmers pupil b. London,
Edward would have got some money for taking in George Bass and teaching him the trade.  Leonard Cruttenden widower 67 b. Arlington visitor, Jane Funnell general domestic servant aged 14 b. Chalvington and Charles Deacon aged 19 also a general domestic servant b. Ripe. I know that the census is just 1 night out of 10 years but I feel a bit for Jane Funnell I have a 14 year old daughter now and can’t imagine if she was sent away to live in a big house  / farm to do all the domestic chores.
I suspect Leonard Cruttenden is some relation to Julia.

1881 census Ripe Street Ripe, Edward from not aging a year in 10 years has suddenly aged 20 years in 10 and is now aged 73. Edward  is no longer a farmer but an assistant overseer etc. with him is wife Julia also 73, daughter Margaret 37, son Thomas 33 a jobbing tailor and youngest daughter Julia 28

1891 census in a private house at Ripe Street Ripe is 83 year old Edward a sanitary inspector  now a widower with daughter Margaret 46 a housekeeper presumably the house she lives in and not a housekeeper elsewhere and son Thomas the tailor now aged 43

Julia died just after the 1881 census Q4 1881 aged 74.
Edward died in 1900 aged 92.
 


There is also another Edward Cane who gives his p.o.b as Ripe and is circa the same age as our Edward he is married to Hannah and I can follow them through the census in fact on the 1841 census they are on the same page as ‘our’ Edward & Julia, I think they must be cousins or something but I cannot find the other Edwards christening in Ripe.
I know that Edward who marries Julia is ours and not Edward who marries Hannah as Edwards fathers name is given as William on the entry on Familysearch.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 13:25 GMT (UK)
Jonathan Charles Goodall died 19 Aug 1885. Will proved by Jane Goodall, widow and William Gage Spicer, paper maker. JCG left £17,392 5s 10d which would be about £1,041,624.35 today :o

that is a lot of money  :o

~~

Arlington christenings dont appear to be on Familysearch but Julia (Cruttenden) was born there according to the census and so was Leonard within 3 or so years of each other it is my guess they are siblings
not quite sure yet how Leonard & Julia connect to Ann but their father is John, certianly Julias is anyway and Ann had a brother John so maybe Julia is Ann's neice therefore Edward would be her cousin. it was common for cousins to marry cousins and is still legal to do so nowdays.

Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 13:29 GMT (UK)
I notice that Ann Cruttendens father was called John without knowing when or where he was born I did search for a John Cruttenden and found one who would be old enough o be ANns father but I didn’t note down the details as I couldn’t prove that he was, however I do remember that his father (on familysearch) was given as Godheard ! this is quite an unusual name and now just thinking about it John Anns brother seemingly had a son Leonard I wonder if Godheard is mistranscribed Leonard and would make it more likely that  this John is in fact Anns father and Godheard or Leonard her grandfather and John father of Julia and Leonard Anns brother , I hope I haven’t confused you.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 13:38 GMT (UK)
Matthew / Matthias Cane m. Mary Ann Pursglove 1841
1841 same page of census as Edward & Julia at Ripe Matthew aged 27 and Mary aged 25 although Mary is mistranscribed as Henry!
1851 aged 37 with brother John and Philadelphia nee Marchant, no sign or Mary
Cannot find him after that
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:11 GMT (UK)
JCG mar Jane Edwards Jan 20th 1839 at St Pancras Parish Chapel

Jonathan Charles Goodall / full age / bachelor / card maker / Camden Town / Charles Goodall / Card Maker
Jane Edwards / full age / spinster / Camden Town / William Edwards / Ostler

Witnesses: Charles Goodall, Mary Anne Goodall
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:19 GMT (UK)
JCG's mother and siblings in 1851.  Father is dead HO107; Piece: 1498; Folio: 275; Page: 10
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:22 GMT (UK)
I suspect that this is the marriage of Charles Goodall to Elizabeth.  Elizabeth's surname was used as a middle name for their youngest son Josiah.

12 June 1808, St Marylebone Church, both of this parish.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:26 GMT (UK)
Charles Goodall was buried Mar 29th 1851 - just missing the census when we could find out where he was born!  Age given as 65 so a birthdate of 1786.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:36 GMT (UK)
Wow, your friend has an interesting bunch of ancestors - have a look here for info about what Goodall and Sons were making http://www.charlesmathes.com/whist/whist%20counters%20-%20Goodall%20vs%20de%20la%20Rue.htm

And according to the website, Charles Goodall came from Northampton, which leads to me suspect that this is his birth and christening:

bn 4 Dec 1785, ch 29 May 1786, Castle Hill Independent.  Parents: William and Frances Goodall.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:40 GMT (UK)
More info including piccies! http://www.wopc.co.uk/goodall/index.html
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 15:51 GMT (UK)
Mother: Winifred Murial Cane born 6 Apr 1910, Hampstead died 1981 Leamington
Winifreds mother: Agnes Bertha Clarke born 1883 St Pancras died 1967 Harrow
Agnes parents: George Clarke and Alice Mary Goodhall
George's parents: ? Clarke and Jane Kent
Alice's parents: Jonathan Charles Goodall and Jane Edwards
Jonathan' parents: Charles Goodall and Elizabeth Montague
Jane's parents: William Edwards and ?
Charles' parents: William Goodall and Frances?
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:03 GMT (UK)
At the moment, this is a bit of a leap of faith.........however, the facts seem to fit.

Possible for Jane Edwards' parents:

Newport, Hampshire
William Edwards  60  OStler  BIC
Rhoda Edwards  55  BIC
George Edwards  15  Farrier?  BIC
Caroline Edwards  14  BIC
/
Jane Goodall  25  BIC
Jane E Goodall  11mnths  NBIC

/
Martha ? 20 BIC
Emily ? 5 BIC
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:08 GMT (UK)
William and Rhoda in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1663; Folio: 112; Page: 8
William bn Sharwell, HAnts
Rhoda bn Northwood, Hants
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:09 GMT (UK)
HI All.

To go with Spidermonkey's information, reply 58.

From the Northants Marriage Indexes.

Northampton All Saints

02 Jan 1785
William GOODALL otp to Frances BRUCE otp, spinster

      
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:13 GMT (UK)
From the Northants Baptism Indexes.

Northampton All Saints C of E

Baptised 22 Mar 1764  born 26th Feb
Frances BRUCE d of John, weaver

Sandy
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: seahall on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:18 GMT (UK)
Charles Goodall and sibling from same indexes.

Northampton United Reformed, Castle Hill

Charles GOODALL s of William Frances 29 May 1786
of Northampton St. Peter, born Dec 4,1785

William GOODALL s of William & Frances baptised 31 Dec 1792
of Northampton St. Peter, born Oct 8

I can not see a baptism for father William.

Sandy


Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:29 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sandy!

Mother: Winifred Murial Cane born 6 Apr 1910, Hampstead died 1981 Leamington
Winifreds mother: Agnes Bertha Clarke born 1883 St Pancras died 1967 Harrow
Agnes parents: George Clarke (1846 - ) and Alice Mary Goodhall (c. 1848 - 1888)
George's parents: William Clarke (c. 1816 - ?)  and Jane Kent (c. 1816 - ?)
Alice's parents: Jonathan Charles Goodall (1809 - 1885) and Jane Edwards (c. 1816 - )
Jonathan' parents: Charles Goodall (1785 - 1851) and Elizabeth Montague (c. 1792 - )
Jane's parents: William Edwards (c. 1781 - ) and Rhoda ? (c. 1786 - )
Charles' parents: William Goodall and Frances Bruce (1764 - ?)
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 16:49 GMT (UK)
Jane Goodall died 9 Aug 1894, probate to Caroline Rogers (widow) and Fanny Maria Goodall (spinster).  Effects £743 10s 11d
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 17:32 GMT (UK)
Philadelphia Cane nee Marchant had an auntie Sarah Tanner will try to find out more about her i found her on the census with Richard Marchant b. 1795 & Eliz Dennet Marchant b. 1809
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 17:37 GMT (UK)
Rhoda Edwards d Jun qtr 1855 Isle of Wight 2b 339
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 21 December 11 18:20 GMT (UK)
Elizabeth Goodall d Mar qtr 1871 Pancras 1b 128
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 20:25 GMT (UK)
the marriages i was looking for earlier courtesy of my cousin

Children of Edward/Mary Cane
Mary 1772—James Fuller Ripe 14 Oct 1796 botp bans.
Edward—Harriott Carpenter confirmed
John 1768--
1.By lic Lewes 3 Nov 1796 Philadelphia Vine bach farmer 25+ Calvington sp otsp 22+
2.Maria Geall 13 Nov 1813 Ripe (did Phila die??)     
 
Children of John/Ann Cruttenden
John 1771-- There are 7 Johns married between 1791 and 1817. Will check that later. Any hints??/
Thomas 1773—Ann Roods 14 May 1799 (Lewes Ach lic) 15 May 1799 Westham E.Sussex bach 25+ Ripe – sp minor wcom lic
Mary Ann 1785—only one in 1826 to James Deudney Bexhill and James is shown as wcop lic (you will need to check his age, might be below consent with her age being 41+)
 
Children of William/Ann Cane
Ann 1803—There is a Mary Ann married in 1829
William 1805 – 2 in Brighton/Hove 1824 & 1830

Marchant
Richard 1795 -- 8 Jul 1828 Mary Ann Stuart (Lewes lic)  9 Jul 1828 Streat bach Streat sp otsp
Emma 1798 – Streat 21 Jul 1824 John Beard – John from Chailey
 
Siblings of Emmy Brooker
Thomas 1765 – Wivelsfield 6 Mar 1789 Mary Davis botp
James 1767 --  Wivelsfield 7 Apr 1802 Frances Skinner James otp Frances Ditchling
George 1770  --  Too many to pick from without further info
Jane 1773  --  Wivelsfield 24 Sep 1789 Richard Whiten botp (b)
(Jane would have only been 16 years old)
Back to George 1770
Wivelsfield 16 Apr 1781 Elizabeth Godden (too young 11 Years)
West Firle 9 Jun 1795 Elizabeth Garrainge (west Firle is just down the road from ripe)
Eastbourne 30 Mar 1806 Sarah Savage
Etchingham 16 Nov 1808 Jane Sanders
East Grinstead 27 Sep 1813 Mary Ann Tester
Framfield 21 Dec 1820 Alice Martin
Ten 1822 Cuckfield 1822 Buxted 1831 Wivelsfield etc.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 20:53 GMT (UK)
The Marchant family (except Philadelphia we already have accounted for her bar 1881 / 1891 )

Richard Marchant bp. 5 Dec 1795 married Mary Ann Stuart by licence on 9 July 1828 at Lewes he a bachelor from Streat she a spinster from lewes
i am assuming Mary Ann died pre 1841 as she does not appear on the 1841 census with Richard although relationships and marital status were not given i am again assuming that Richard is with his children (next door to his mother and sister)
s/borough Laughton
Richard Marchant  42 Farmer
Ann 12
Richard 8
Mary 6
Elizabeth 4

All BIC

on the 1851 census, Richard by now 55 is and a farmer of 1.70 acres (at least i think thats what it says, could the 1 be a 4 i guess the dot is actually a comma ?) he has 5 labourers  this time is he described as widower and he has the following people living with him:
Richard son 18
Mary dau 15 or 16
Elizabeth dau 14
elizabeth Dennet marchant sister her age has been struck through but we know she was b. 1809 she is an annuitant
as is the next member of her family which is transcribed as Tanner Sarah but the Tanner actually looks like James to me ?? she is listed as Aunt and a widow ages 68. they have 4 servants. its strange because Sarah is the only person with their name written surname first.

by 1861 Richard has moved to Lingfield, St Piers Farm  and is a farmer of 231 acres employing 5 men and 1 boy with his son richard aged 28, dau mary 26 and Elizabeth 24. also present is Auntie Sarah who is now listed as Lodger Sarah Jenner aged 79 she is a landholder and of course richard Cane nephew aged 14.

 Richard Marchant doesnt appear on the 1871 census and i can only think he must have died. i found his son Richard farming with his sister Mary in Withyham, thier cousin Frederick Springate is also there he is a head gardener. and to keep up the family trend even though there is just the 3 of them they have a young servant girl Emily Sharman just aged 12.


Eliz Dennet marchant 29 Sept 1809 doesnt appear to marry she is in Brighton in 1871 and dies there in 1879 aged 70


Emma bp.  23 Jan 1798 Streat married JOhn Beard from chailey on 21 July 1824
1851 as you know they are with John cane & Philadelphia
1861  1 grass square Alfriston, lives William Banks a master butcher, his wife Mary Elizabeth Banks b. chailey and their children Elizabeth Emma aged 2 and Julia Sarah aged 10 months and Williams mother in law Emma Beard aged 63 b. Streat all others b. Alfriston.
there is a death in 1874 of an Emma Beard which gives her age as 77, possibly your Emma ?


Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 21:33 GMT (UK)
i found Philadelphia in 1891
78 High Street East Grinstead

Richard Marchant 58 mar. commercial traveller b. Laughton
philadelphia Cane 79 widow boarder b. Streat
Ann Pollard servant 15
Isabella Sheppard visitor widow 58

Richard would be son of Richard Philadelphia's brother , he is marked as married but no sign of a wife.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 21:39 GMT (UK)
so Auntie Sarah Jenner how does she fit in ?
she is Auntie to the Marchants so was she Sarah nee Marchant or Sarah nee Brooker i can find no mention of either in the little family groups i listed earlier
her age on the census suggests she was born 1782
 
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 21:52 GMT (UK)
children of John Beard & Emma nee Marchant
 christened at St Peters Chailey
Thomas Rootes Beard 21 May 1826
Richard Marchant Beard 11 Nov 1827
Mary Elizabeth 31 May 1829
Emma 20 March 1831
Julianna  19 May  1833
Catherine 4 Oct 1835

John is a farmer on all entries.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 21:58 GMT (UK)
Thomas Rootes Beard died 6 Sept 1862 his will was proved 22 Nov 1862 effects under £200.00
formerly of Keymer but late of chailey both in the county of Sussex
Gentleman deceased died 6 Sept 1862 at Chailey aforesaid was proved at lewes by the oaths of John Mason Beard of Chailey aforesaid Draper and Grocer and richard Marchant Beard of Plumpton in the said county miller, the nephews and the executors.

~~~

this must be Johns brother and not son

ii found Johns son marriage in 1868 

   Thomas Rootes Beard
Full Age
Spouse Name:   Susan Hollingdale
   Marriage   31 May 1868
   St Pancras Parish Chapel:   Camden
Father Name:   John Beard
Spouse Father Name:   John Hollingdale

~~

the name rootes is passed down through the Beard family
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Wednesday 21 December 11 22:05 GMT (UK)
i'm signing off now but quickly

Catherine Beard didn't marry
she died in 1923 aged 87

1901  RG13;  880;  35; : 13
1891 RG12; : 68; 15;  23;
1881 Gothic House Ladies School RG11;  1064;  48;  4
1851  HO107;  1642; 518;  21
1841 at Clayton with parents siblings as previously mentioned and a younger sibling Sarah   HO107;  1111; : 4;  8;  10;
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Lisajj on Tuesday 03 January 12 16:05 GMT (UK)
Dear all

Thank you so much for your valuable time and the effort you have gone too.  I've put some of this together now and passed it onto my friend.  Unfortunatly the drugs that they are now having to give her means that she is really confused and can't concentrate on looking at the information.  Your work is not in vain, as I am going to put a bit more effort in to make it all nice and pass it onto her son and grandchildren.  She is still with us, but the doctors now only predict a few days, another week at most.  Thank you for helping me to give a dying lady a glimour of light.  You have all been so kind in what you have done.  Between us all we have found out quite a lot of information and I hope that one of her grandchildren will be interested enough one day to continue the work.

thanks again

Lisa
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Tuesday 03 January 12 17:21 GMT (UK)
Sorry to hear that your friend is in the last stages.  I hope that she is peaceful. 

I know that you will have a lot on your plate at the moment, but when you do get a chance to look over everything, don't forget to yell if you see something that is missing.

Best wishes to you and your friend and her family.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: cati on Tuesday 03 January 12 17:46 GMT (UK)
So sorry to hear about your friend.

I think that all of us were only too pleased to help where we could.

Cati
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: toni* on Tuesday 03 January 12 20:30 GMT (UK)
i hope it gives your friend some comfort in her last stages to meet all these people in her new family x 
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Lisajj on Sunday 08 January 12 06:29 GMT (UK)
Just to let you know that my friend passed away last night. Thank you all once again for your help.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Sunday 08 January 12 10:22 GMT (UK)
When my wife read your last post, her comment was,
 
"Lisa's friend may now be able to meet those who she has been looking for all this time".

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: mrs.tenacious on Sunday 08 January 12 17:05 GMT (UK)
I've been really touched reading this thread Lisa.  That was a good and kind thing you did for your friend, and her family.  Bless you, and may she rest in peace.

Mrs. T.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: aftresearchsvc on Thursday 11 April 13 15:24 BST (UK)
Just a side note to all who helped with this;

Per  "Jane Goodall" by Dale Peterson (c.2006) ISBN: 0-395-85405-9
And other sources including:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
http://www.familysearch.org

The following may be of interest.

1. Charles Goodall (b.4 Dec 1785; d.1851)
   +Elizabeth Montague (b.1792)
     2. Reginald Goodall (b.Bef 1851;d.3 May 1916)
         + Elizabeth Morris (m.Mar 1905)
             3. Mortimer Herbert Morris-Goodall (c.15 Apr 1907;d.2001)
                 + Vanne Joseph
--->               4. Valerie Jane Morris-Goodall (b.April 3, 1934)(Dame)
             3. Reginald Morris-Goodall (d.1942)
             3. M. Morris-Goodall
             3. B. Morris-Goodall
             3. J.  Morris-Goodall
     2. Jonathan Montague Goodall
     2. Josiah Goodall

Dame Valerie Jane Morris-Goodall  (From wikipedia)

"... British primatologist, ethologist, anthropologist, and UN Messenger of Peace. Considered to be the world's foremost expert on chimpanzees, Goodall is best known for her 45-year study of social and family interactions of wild chimpanzees in Gombe Stream National Park, Tanzania. She is the founder of the Jane Goodall Institute and has worked extensively on conservation and animal welfare issues."

Awards
1989: Encyclopædia Britannica Award for Excellence on the Dissemination of Learning for the Benefit of Mankind; Anthropologist of the Year Award
1991: The Edinburgh Medal
1995: Commander of the Order of the British Empire, presented by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II; The National Geographic Society Hubbard Medal for Distinction in Exploration, Discovery, and Research; Lifetime Achievement Award, In Defense of Animals; The Moody Gardens Environmental Award; Honorary Wardenship of Uganda National Parks
2002: The Huxley Memorial Medal, Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland; United Nations "Messenger of Peace" Appointment
2003: Benjamin Franklin Medal in Life Science; Harvard Medical School's Center for Health and the Global Environment Award; Prince of Asturias Award for Technical and Scientific Achievement; Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire, presented by His Royal Highness Prince Charles; Chicago Academy of Sciences' Honorary Environmental Leader Award
2004: Nierenberg Prize for Science in the Public Interest; Will Rogers Spirit Award, the Rotary Club of Will Rogers and Will Rogers Memorial Museums; Life Time Achievement Award, the International Fund for Animal Welfare; Honorary Degree from Haverford College
2005: Honorary doctorate degree in science from Syracuse University
2005:Honorary doctorate degree in science from Rutgers University
2005: Presented with Discovery and Imagination Award
2006: Received the 60th Anniversary Medal of the UNESCO and the French Légion d'honneur.
2007: Honorary doctorate degree in commemoration of Carl Linnaeus from Uppsala University
2007: Honorary doctorate degree from University of Liverpool
2008: Honorary doctorate degree from University of Toronto
2011: Honorary doctorate degree from American University of Paris
2011: Grand Officer of the Order of Merit of the Italian Republic
2012: Named Grand Marshal of the 2013 Tournament of Roses Parade[47]
2012: Honorary doctorate degree from National Tsing Hua University (NTHU, Taiwan)[48]

...and this is only -some- of the awards...

Lisajj,  your friend had some amazing relatives.  So sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Urgent help needed
Post by: Bezique on Saturday 30 December 17 18:19 GMT (UK)
Dear Spidermonkey
In 1911 you asked for information on the Goodall family I am the family historian so if you would like to post another enquiry Iwill try to help you     from Bezique