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I am a descendant of John NICHOLLS grandfather of William NICHOLLS b 1818 Cornwall d 1900 New Zealand m Hera Te WHAKAAWA. I am interested in any info on this family.
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Welcome to the board :D
We have had severalpeople researching this family
the old threads and details are
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,541160.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,310232.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,340169.0.html
Perhaps you can look at these and see what is missing, also if you make 2 more posts you can contact those reserachers that started the threads (by PM..personal messaging facility)
Bye
Althea
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I have seen the posts you mention but can't quit follow them
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Hi
Rather than repeat all the same info, it would be easier if you then list what the problem areas are
Any gaps
any info that is not right from your own findings
then we can go from there
Do you know these other reserachers?
Bye
althea
I've alerted the old posters of this new thread..in case they have some new info to conttribute
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From reading the posts you suggested I have info on William NICHOLLS family in Cornwall that other people seem to be having trouble finding but I know very little about the family in NZ.
I don't know any of the researchers in the posts.
Thanks for your help
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Hi,
I don't get the impression Althea is suggesting that you have info on William Nicholls.
The links were put up because as Althea said, other people are researching and might be able to help you fill in the gaps. Links are put up, to save us doubling on information that has already been found. You may not the know the researchers, but if you put your heads together, you might find that you are connected to each other.
Cheers
KHP
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I am new to the chat rooms. The basics are I have been researching the NICHOLLS for years but have never been able to find anything on the family in NZ all I know is William NICHOLLS married Hera Te WHAKAAWA I don't know when they had 5 children the names I am unsure of or any other info. So I would be grateful of any help. Somewhere I read that someone was having trouble tracing Obadiah NICHOLLS (father of William NICHOLLS) family and I have info on them
Thank you all for your patience and help
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We all know what it is like to be a newbie to genealogy forums, we are a friendly bunch of people on here, and there are some terrific researchers on RC :) Sometimes a researcher doesn't answer straight away, that doesn't mean they don't have info, it probably means that either they are away on holiday, or haven't been near their computer for a couple of days.
For me, I am closing down for the night as it is late here.
Cheers
KHP
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thanks for clearing things up KHP
so much info on the other threads
may need to get a paper and write down info in fmaily groups
there are some great forms at NZSG that you can download for free
William Nicholls md by MAori custom to Hera (Sarah) Te Whakaawa
children:
Harete Te Whakaawa aka Harriet or Charlotte. Married 1860 John Richard William Guilding, then c1868 Joseph Smallman
Hutena or Susan
Wiremu Kerei aka William Grey md Rihitoto Mataia
Hera Kerei aka Alice Grey
Hemi aka James
thi is but one of the snippets, this come from an article written on the family
by P Hart
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,541160.10.html
Bye
Althea
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Here is an obituary for William's son
that features alot of family info
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=OG19150716.2.21
Ohinemuri gazettte 16/7/1915
Bye
Althea
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Williams 1900 obit
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=THS19001215.2.29&srpos=3&e=-12-1900--12-1900--25-OG%2cTHS-1----0nicholls--
this is a fuller one, wth children
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OG19001217.2.12&srpos=1&e=-12-1900--12-1900--25-OG%2cTHS-1----0nicholls--
Bye
Althea
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Thank you for all that. What I would like to find out is the birth and death date of Hera Te WHAKAAWA, her parents names, the date William NICHOLLS married her, the names and dates of birth of their children, who the children married. I have 5 names but did read somewhere there were 6. If anyone can help with any of this it would be much appreciated
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I'm sorry if I keep saying refer to past threads..but alot of the info is there
I will check because several of the children have their marriages and family/children details.
The marriage was Maori, so not registered and not in a church but performed by maori ceremony if I remember rightly
In one of the obits it gives details of Susan's lineage..sister of chief te Moananui
Details here
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=OG19150716.2.21
Maori whakapapa/family details are not so easy to list,,they are often more in story form due to their exemption from early registration
Bye
althea
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The obit mentioned above
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OG19001217.2.12&srpos=1&e=-12-1900--12-1900--25-OG%2cTHS-1----0nicholls--
has at William's death (1900) children living as
Mr W G Nicholls (His death ref in previous post, Wiremu Kerei aka William Grey md Rihitoto Mataia ) ADDED
Mr J Nicholls (aka Hemi/James Ponui Nicholls died 1941 buried Morrinsville) ADDED
Mrs Dearle (Alice Grey NICHOLLS Married Charles John DEARLE) ADDED
Mrs Smallman (Harete Te Whakaawa aka Harriet or Charlotte. Married 1860 John Richard William Guilding, then c1868 Joseph Smallman) ADDED
Mrs Cartman (Susan)
Mrs Smallmans family details are in the threads
Harete Te Whakaawa aka Harriet or Charlotte. Married 1860 John Richard William Guilding, then c1868 Joseph Smallman
The problem being, of halfcase descent the family went under maori and english names..so creativity needed
Bye
althea
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Huhana (Susannah) NICHOLLS married Richard Hartley CARTMAN
A descendant of this line is at thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,541160.0.html
with other family
At NZ BMD online you can see some children
Registration Number Family Name Given Name(s) Mother's Given
Name(s) Father's Given
Name(s) Still Birth
1880/4680 Cartman Ethel Presence Susan Richard Hartley -
1878/15714 Cartman Belle Maud Susan Richard Hartley -
1881/11208 Cartman Hannah Susan Richard Hartley -
Bye
Althea
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Alice's details (Mrs Dearle)
Alice Grey NICHOLLS Married Charles John DEARLE
Children:
1882/17699 Dearle Mary Alice Alice Grey Charles John
1884/9734 Dearle Annie Alice Gray Charles
1886/1542 Dearle Emily Alice Grey Charles
1888/1554 Dearle Elizabeth Grey Alice Grey Charles John
1891/9061 Dearle Lilla May Alice Grey Charles John
1894/17249 Dearle William George Alice Grey Charles John
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,541160.10.html
Bye
Althea
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Discussion on the maori whakapapa (Family history)
Hey MK2 i have this whakapapa for you
TAUAITI = HINEAORANGI PONUI
TUANA = MAPUNA
TE HUOTERANGI = HINEURU
MEROITI or NGAPAEA = HARU
WHAKAAWA = WILLIAM NICHOLLS
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,310232.10.html
Each step is going down a generation
this is how you will find most maori lineages written
Bye
Althea
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Me Again
another way you can see family names is at the NZSG First families search
http://www.genealogy.org.nz/FF_Search_31.aspx
enter Nicholls
then select William and you can see the different family makeups and possible names to explore at places like BMD online for further dates
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
Bye
althea
I have made some ADDITONS further up page to list of married names..so you can match them back to the children given on page one
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Thank you again I now understand a bit more does anyone know the birth and death dates for Hera Te WHATAAWA or the names of her parents.
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hmmm,
What info do you have on Obediah ?
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Obadiah's parents were John NICHOLLS and Dorothy STEPHENS his brother Jeremiah was my 3GGrandfather and migrated to Australia. I have done the family tree
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Parents details on reply 16
LDS has several entries..some conflicting info.eg one has death as 1915 and married to son
They are only submisions remember
http://www.familysearch.org/
Sera Harete Hera Te Whakaawa Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: About 1822 Bay Of Plenty, Auckland, New Zealand
Christening:
Death: About 1887 Bay Of Plenty, Auckland, New Zealand
Burial: About 1887 In A Maori Cemetery Near, Matamata, Auckland, New Zealand
Parents:
Father: Meroiti Or Ngapaea Family
Mother: Haru
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Thank you again for that as you may have guessed I am not in NZ and could not work out who the Father and Mother were.
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Hi
Just thought it was worth a little more mention on maori Whakapapa
Please step in anyone reading wwith more info, I'm no expert just going from my experiences
When you wanted Te Whakaawa ancestors..
Maori tribes and their respective marae's usually have very detailed lineages and all will be able to trace back to the time the arrived in New Zealand as a member of a respective Canoe. These details handed down by each generation, recited orally with the history attached..only late years did anything get written down..it was an oral language.
So the descents that you see, names going down each generation are often only male lines..or they follow the male line..showing wife. You don't always get a "family" surname, the name alters with generations and then from the time of European settlement the names are anglicised.
This doesn't go well for trying to put it into genealogy programmes like Legacy.
Marriages are a different concept..so there is no date as such, the religoius element is a very late inclusion
I've cheated, and bought a book that details the genealogy of my sons' maori ancestors!!!
so once you assign tribal affiliation, which from memory was mentioned in one of those obituaries..if you google the tribal name..there will be an iwi (tribe) website which will usually give you the genealogy for that group
Hope that makes a bit of sense
Bye
althea
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Thanks for that Althea .... it is something that I have been putting off since Mr KHP and I are non-Maori and I know I should at some stage make a start on my step-children's heritage (their late mothers side).
Cheers
KHP
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Anothergenie ..
When and where did Obediah and Alice Nicholls die ?
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Obadiah NICHOLLS died 1822 St Gluvias Cornwall England buried 9 Jan 1822 St Gluvias Church Cornwall England.
Alice GREY unfortunately we don't know other than born approx 1792
John NICHOLLS Obadiah's father died Aug 1825 Tresamble Downs Cornwall England buried 21 Aug 1825 Tresamble Down Cornwall
Dorothy STEPHENS died 1834 Frogpool St Luvins Cornwall England
John & Dorothy had 8 children
Hope that helps
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:)
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Let me know if I can help with anything else I am happy to share
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Hi Mk2
you can see this at Cornwall OPC Database
Day Month 09-Jan
Year 1822
Parish Or Reg District Gluvias, St.
Forename Obediah
Surname NICHOLLS
Age 31
Residence Falmouth
Notes
Transcriber Notes
Transcriber N Frish/K Halley
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/burials/
bye
Althea
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Hi Anothergenie
I am also connected to William Nicholls and Te Whakaawa through their daughter Alice Grey Nicholls who married Charles John Dearle
I found some family photos this week which is very exciting!!
Do you have any photos of William and his family?
Will send you a private message with my email as I would love to chat to you further about the family and trade info :)
If anyone else would like copies of the photos please contact me via PM
Cheers,
Anita
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There are some updates on an old thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=310232.new
re Hera's burial site
Bye
althea
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Hi there Anothergenie.....do you have the names of all the children of Obediah & Alice?...I only have four...am also very interested in the parents of John Nicholls & Dorothy Stephens....I have extensive whakapapa on the family in NZ but as has been mentioned, event dates are not readily available...I am not keen on having whakapapa all over the internet but am willing to email info out to family members....cheers....Kath
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Welcome kath
once you have made two more posts anita will be bale to contact you via the PM message system
I have been making a plea to any of the family researchers for pioneer forms (pre 1900 Thames Valley families) for The Treasury research centre in Thames..same to you if you are interested.
http://www.thetreasury.org.nz/images/PioneerRegisterForm12.pdf
Many thanks for joining in
Bye
althea
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Yeah,
not exactly the one you looking for at the moment, Healer, but when i have time to sort the file on the early family, I will pass it on.
but the ladies are going strong, they have got that early passion, :)
I'm sure others have info to share, but all in good time, no rush ...
and welcome kath62 .. 8)
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Hello,
Ellipitt kindly looked up these newspaper clipping for me ;D
OBITUARY – Mrs A.G. DEARLE
One of Te Aroha’s best known and oldest pioneers in the person of Mrs Alice Grey Dearle passed away at her home on Wednesday evening. Mrs Dearle, who had reached the ripe age of 81 years, was born in the Waikato and went through the troublesome time of the Maori Wars as did many of our best settlers of the pioneer days. In 1880 she married Mr Charles J Dearle, who was one of the Thames early settlers, being connected with the School of Mines, Clerk of the Court, and other Government institutions. After Mr Dearle’s death, Mrs Dearle carried on farming in the Te Aroha, where she reard (sic) her six daughters, five of whom survive her. Her daughters are: Mrs G Rogers (Te Aroha West), Mrs G W Mace (Auckland), Mrs A W Wight (Mangaiti), Mrs E Hines (Mangaiti), Mrs R M Taylor (Te Aroha), and Mrs S Rickards (Auckland), who died four years ago. She leaves 27 grandchildren and 22 great-grandchildren. The funeral, which was a large one, took place at the Te Aroha cemetery on Friday afternoon. The pall bearers were six of her grandsons. [‘Te Aroha News’ Wednesday, 28oct1936, p4]
LADIES OF TE AROHA
For some time, the press, radio and TV have been stressing the diminishing number of our native Maori women who featured the ‘moko’.
As children we were privileged to know one in our own district who carried this distinction with great pride.
Recently, older residents were reminded of this wonderful woman when her grandson, “the self styled millionaire Clarrie Rickard” was featured in the NZ Herald. He proudly acknowledged that he was part Maori and that his grandmother who wore the moko was a great lady.
This man never spoke a truer word for that aptly describes his maternal grandmother, Sarah Dearle who lived in Mangaiti for many years. Here she farmed many acres and raised six daughters, including his mother, the former Cassie Dearle who was very popular among fellow school mates.
Unfortunately Sarah Dearle’s only son died in childhood despite the fact that his mother drove a horse drawn vehicle to Thames each week to consult a doctor.
The only daughter living in the district today is Mrs E Wight, of Centennial Avenue.
The late Sarah Dearle was a gracious woman and to be invited to her home was considered a special privilege. She carried herself like a princess, had a beautiful speaking voice and was always suitably and smartly dressed.
As a proud wife and mother she was determined that her family had the best education available at that time. She was emphatic that her children were sent to school to learn the ‘Queen’s’ english and Maori was not spoken in their home.
Yet, from her, many true and valuable traditions were learnt by the young visitors to her home; where musical evenings around the piano were as popular as their six lovely daughters.
To the present generation her best known and respected granddaughter was the late Mrs E Erison who was associated with many organisations which benefited both the old and the young.
Those who knew her were conscious of the fact that she was a wonderful woman, a granddaughter of the great lady who wore the ‘moko’ and who personified the best of both worlds and cultures. [‘Te Aroha News’, Thursday, 12dec1974, p3]
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I thought I would file some pioneer forms at The Treasury..til people have time..if anyone wants ther name tagged on as a family researcher, PM me your name and email address and I will add it
if you can fill in any gaps..I will alter if i find first
Charles John DEARLE ?ship he came on in 1867
Died Te Aroha January 1897 ?16th day or is that burial date at Te aroha cemetery
Alice Grey NICHOLLS born c 1855 at ??................
marriage alice and charles at Thames 7/8/1880
DEARLE children
mary alice b 24/6/1882 Thames d 1974 Auckland married 1902 at Te Aroha to George William Mace
Annie b 2/1884 Otarehu d ...............? married 1901 George William Rogers at .............
Emily b 1/1886 Otarehu d 12/1951 at Mangaiti Married 1908 Thomas Alfred Hines at ..............
Elizabeth Grey b 1/1888 Otarehu d 4/1980 at Te aroha married Allan Wallace Wight 1918 at ...............
Lilla May b 6/1891 at............. d 1933 at............ married Stanley Rickards
William George b 1894 Te aroha died aged 11mths 27/9/1894
Hinemoad Maude or Maud Hinemoa Cecilia b 24/5/1898 d 1985 at.............. married Robert Miller taylor at.....
Many thanks
althea
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deleted..I was posting from wrong page!!!
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Has anyone go the marriages and deaths for JaMES PONUI NICHOLL's children:
Rena Kiriwaitai b 1872
Mere/Merea b 1876
Humapere. Humphrey b 1874?
Bye
althea
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Thanks Althea for your help, we need some gentle prodding now and then ;)
Also looking for photos of James Ponui & Susan/Huhana to 'complete the family'
Cheers
Anita
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In regards to Humphreys second marriage / union.
http://www.ohinemuri.org.nz/journal/16/in_shadow_of_totara_pa.htm
and area in general
http://www.ohinemuri.org.nz/index.html
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thanks Mk2
the ohinemuri journal is wonderful..just matter of searching..I hadn't spotted thatnone before
Bye
Althea
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Hi does anyone know where 'Charles William Nicholls' (deceased) fits in to the picture?
I have some photos of him and can't quite figure out who he belongs to... Son of William Grey Nicholls?
Cheers,
Anita
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Can't see him on file,
theres only one on IGI and he is Napier based ?
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Not sure about Napier....
I have a photo of his headstone - buried in New Plymouth
Born circa 1897
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I see he went to WW1 - Mrs AG Dearle (Aunt) was listed as his next of kin... So If he isn't a son of James Ponui, I'm assuming he's the son of William/Wiremu?
His birth is not listed on the BDM
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Aha!
We have found a family tree which has Charles William Nicholls as the son of William Grey Nicholls and Annie Sheehy - So William Grey Nicholls married twice, If I'm reading the tree correctly?
He had a son, George Mataia, with first wife Rihitoto Mataia.
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Some relatives believe that this 'unknown man' standing at far right is William Nicholls Senior - Does anyone have any tips as to how we might identify him?
His hat looks Scottish to me! :P
http://www.lindaueronline.co.nz/maori-portraits/wiremu-tamihana
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Wow Anita
your treehunting is amazing..especially as the wonderful photos you find
Bye
althea
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ok,
can you send me a rough copy of that tree ?
The guy in the photo looks a little young, but the Firth and Matamata connections ring a bell !
:)
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Will do...
First time I've heard of the Firth name, how did you hear about it Mk2?
BTW those 'helmets' (or whatever they are) are amazing! :D
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The Firth's are famous Matamata family
http://www.firthtower.co.nz/exhibits.html
Bye
Althea
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Hi
I can't remember if this has come up at all;
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=BOPT18830609.2.8.2&srpos=7&e=-------100--1----2%22whakaawa%22--
Are these the siblings/family of Whakaawa?
"Te Kutaroa (Matakana)
Moananui Wharenui
Mariana Makehu
Winika Hohepa
Pire Moananui
Himi Nikora
Huhana Whakaawa
Me etehi atu
Kei te Mapi nga rohe"
As the name Winika Hohepa rings a bell for some reason...
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Hi Anita,
Kutaroa is the Marae on Matakana Island that Hera te Whakaawa is affliated to.Iwi Is Ngaiterangi,not Raukawa
So Its Maatua Canoe
Ngaiterangi iwi
Tauranga moana.
Any one is welcome to add info!
Cheers Mancini
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http://tauranga.kete.net.nz/bay_of_plenty_branch_of_new_zealand_society_of_authors/topics/show/399-joseph-harris-smallman-1839-1925-written-by-christine-clement
Check this link out.
Mancini
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Yeah, looks like my research .... ;)
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Yeah!! :D
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http://www.westernbay.govt.nz/Documents/Projects/MatakanaIsland/BOFFA_CulturalValuesAssessmentReport.pdf
Another link.Page 36 has whakapapa lines,Kutaroa Marae ;D
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Te Kutaroa, Tauranga, June 8, 1869.
Notice by Native Owners.This is to give notice to all persons concerned That we the undersigned natives who have sold our lands on the Island of Matakana to Messrs. Whitaker and Russell, We do hereby authorize the said lands to be surveyed at once whenever the surveyors are ready to commence the work. We sold our lands to Messrs. Whitaker and Russell and have received advances in money on a/c from them for the said lands, Therefore no persons have any right to interfere in any way with the surveyors whilst they are engaged surveying our lands. The said lands are our own property therefore we have a right to sell them to whomever we please.
Mr. Charles de Thierry is hereby authorized by us to write immediately to the surveyors and request them to return to Tauranga and commence the survey of the lands for Messrs. Whitaker and Russell.
Sigd. Te Moananui Mauao.
" Hira Moananui.
" Kereti Moananui.
" Tukunui Rangihau Wiripo.
" Hamiora Tu.
New purchase. " Raimona Te Whetu.
" Wharekawa.
New purchase. " Hohepa Hekutaia.
New purchase. " Ngapire Moananui.
New purchase. " Hira Moananui.
Native Assessor's certificate. I certify that the within statements are correct regarding the lands sold to Messrs. Whitaker and Russell on Matakana, Tauranga. (We have received no advance on the lands which have not been sold.)
Sigd. Te kuka Te Mea,
Nat. Assessor.
Witness—
C. T. F. Br. de Thierry, Licensed Interpreter.
Lit. Translation.—C.D.T., L.I.
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(Enclosure 7 in No. 466.)
Enclosure 7.Memorandum of agreement made this Tenth day of November One Thousand Eight hundred and Sixty Eight Between Te Moananui Native Chief of the District of Tauranga in the Province of Auckland in the Colony of New Zealand of the one part and Messrs. Whitaker and Russell, Solicitors of the City of Auckland of the other part.
Whereby the said Te Moananui agrees to sell to the said Messrs. Whitaker and Russell, All that piece or parcel of land situated on the Island of Matakana in the District of Tauranga in the Province of Auckland in the Colony of New Zealand and known by the name of Whakatopo and containing six hundred acres more or less.
Whakatopo. [600 acres.] And the said Messrs. Whitaker and Russell agree to purchase the said land and to pay to Te Moananui at the rate of Four shillings p. acre in manner following, the sum of Forty pounds on signing this agreement and the balance on the execution of a conveyance for the said land. And the said Te Moananui further agrees to have the said surveyed without loss of time at his cost.
Signed this Tenth day of November One Thousand Eight hundred and Sixty Eight.
Te Moananui Mauac.
Whitaker and Russell.
In the presence of—
Wy. Ashcroft.
I hereby certify that I have read over the above agreement to Te Moananui and that he fully understands its contents.
Richard de Thierry, L.I.
Receipt for £40. Received the sum of Forty pounds stg. on a/c.
Te Moananui Mauao.
Auckland, 10 Novr, 1868.
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Kia ora, hello,
I am not sure if either my mother or I have posted on here before. I am a descendant of James Ponui Nicholls and Hera Te Whakaawa through their daughter Lennie (aka Laura/Rennie/Rena) who married John Stewart Patty. Mum has some old pictures but I think they are of John Stewart Patty and Lennie. I would have to check. My great grandmother is Laura Evelyn Pattie, the daughter of John Stewart Patty and Lennie. There is a lot of info to read on here!
I am currently living in Melbourne - which has been great for researching John Stewart Patty (born in Ballarat, the family name is Pattie, but his is Patty on his birth certificate etc). We have his marriage certificate and death certificate, also I think Lennie or her daughters birth certificate. I will find out this weekend when I am back in Auckland.
sorry for the ramble!
Thanks
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Welcome cuz,
think i spotted you on the original Maori.org or one of the other older rootsweb posts.
plenty of whanau on here and the ladies have been going full steam ahead, using the paperspast site, plus family stories .... :)
As always some branches don't want much out on line, but after 3 posts you can use the pm (personal message) system to get in touch.
And you will have to take your email off, house rulz .. :-\
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Kia ora, hello,
I am not sure if either my mother or I have posted on here before. I am a descendant of James Ponui Nicholls and Hera Te Whakaawa through their daughter Lennie (aka Laura/Rennie/Rena) who married John Stewart Patty. Mum has some old pictures but I think they are of John Stewart Patty and Lennie. I would have to check. My great grandmother is Laura Evelyn Pattie, the daughter of John Stewart Patty and Lennie. There is a lot of info to read on here!
I am currently living in Melbourne - which has been great for researching John Stewart Patty (born in Ballarat, the family name is Pattie, but his is Patty on his birth certificate etc). We have his marriage certificate and death certificate, also I think Lennie or her daughters birth certificate. I will find out this weekend when I am back in Auckland.
sorry for the ramble!
Thanks
Hi Catharris, welcome!
Lovely to see your message, yes plenty to read on Rootschat, most of us are also in email contact. Once you have made two more posts you can use the private msg function - would love to chat to you via email or pm.
I think we are still missing photos of Nicholls siblings James Ponui (Hemi) & Susan (Huhana) & of course Te Whakaawa herself.
William Nicholls Snr - his mother re-married (Box) and moved to Melbourne so you have some relatives near by! ;)
Cheers,
Anita
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http://www.westernbay.govt.nz/Documents/Projects/MatakanaIsland/BOFFA_CulturalValuesAssessmentReport.pdf
Another link.Page 36 has whakapapa lines,Kutaroa Marae ;D
WOW that just blows my mind - all the way back to Ranginui =Papatuanuku ! :o :D
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Some links about Susan/Huhana
http://www.trademe.co.nz/books/nonfiction/new-zealand/auction-409351375.htm
http://www.tqsi.info/genealogy/register.php?personID=I7310&tree=stedman_uk&generations=
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Wow Anita
Some more great background info :o
bye
Althea
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Looks like the Nicholls thread (archived) is back online on Maori.org.nz
http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/archives/viewthread.php?TOPIC_ID=4097
NICHOLLS family From the Original Whakapapa Club:
Mk2_Zephyr
Posts:22
New Zealand
Posted: 28/10/2007
Looking for any info on the Nicholls family of Tauranga-Te Aroha.
William George Nicholls married Hera Te Whakaawa (m ? 1845-49)
children:
Charlotte (m twice I think)
James Ponui ( m Hera Kiriwatai / Pepene ?)
Alice Grey ( m Charles Dearle )
William Grey (m Rihoto Mataia )
Susanna ( m ?}
Sarah (m) ?
While I would love to find all my cousins, for the moment, I am trying to sort out this generation.
Very interested in William Nicholls parents (from England) and Hera Te Whakaawas parents, also the Kiwiwatai/Pepene lineage.
Any information gladly accepted.
There seems to be a couple of conflicting family trees out there and I'm trying to sort it out.
If anyone has William Nicholls death (1900) certificate that would be great.
I believe the Whakaawa family is from Matakana island, if anyone knows more please let me know, apparently there are 5 hapus on the island, would be good to narrow them down.
Also anyone know how to visit Matakana island, this would also be great, as I would like to visit.
Thanks,
Edited by - Mk2_Zephyr on Oct 29 2007 6:20:44 PM
one in a thou
Posts: 10
Australia
Posted: 31/10/2007
Kia ora there - you don't mean the Wharekawa whanau??
To get to Matakana Island you have to catch the barge from Omokoroa Point. Cost is about $20.00 a car and $2.00 or $3.00 per passenger each way.
The names of the hapu are as follows: Whanau a Tauwhao, Ngai Tuwhiwhia, Ngati Tauaiti and Ngai Tamawhariua.
Hope this is of some help
Mk2_Zephyr
Posts: 22
New Zealand
Posted: 31/10/2007
thanks
GillianObrien
Posts: 2
Posted: 10/11/2007
Hi there Mk2 Zephyr
William George Nicholls married Hera Te Whakaawa are my great great grand parents.
Have found this generation quite confusing as williams nicholls appears to have a son, again call william (wiremu) nihcolls.
Rightly or wrongly the info I have says that William Nicholls Father is Obediah Nicholls.
Again: Im not sure if this info is correct, but I have Heras parents as Haru(m) & Meroiti(f.
Does this reflect any info that you have??
Thanks
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GillianObrien
Posts: 2
Posted: 10/11/2007
Also you may find this link interesting pertaining to Charles Dearle (m alice)
http://www.nativeagent.co.nz/story.shtml
Mk2_Zephyr
Posts: 22
New Zealand
Posted: 12/11/2007
Kia Ora, Gillian
It seems to be a confusing generation, but I believe the son was William Grey Nicholls and the father was William or William George. I have seen Obediah as the father of the elder William also and he was married to an Alice Grey.
Working hard on a Hokianga branch at moment, but keep in touch and I'm sure we can get it all sorted. Have ordered Williams' (the elder) death certificate so that should help.
And yes I read the Nativeagent link a while back.
Edited by - Mk2_Zephyr on Nov 16 2007 01:12:09 AM
Edited by - Mk2_Zephyr on Nov 18 2007 10:21:44 PM
kafrim
Posts: 1
Posted: 15/11/2007
Hi there,
What a small world it is!! I am too a descendant of James Ponui Nicholls. My mother Judith has more detailed information, including family trees researched by a family member. More information can also be found in a book - Pukenga (not sure of the exact title), which documents the whakapapa of Ngati Pukenga. I am a descendant of Ponui's daughter (I think and I beleive he is my great great great great great grandfather. I met another cousin last year during a three month job at work, I am a geologist. After a discussion with our excavator operator I discovered we were both related to Willian Nicholls (the father). An interesting fact about William Grey Nicholls is that he was involved with the discovery of the Martha gold mine at Waihi. I discovered this while reading books in the Auckland University Library. More info wanted please feel free to contact me, I would be glad to share information as I am sure my mother would too -
krysalis
Posts: 1
New Zealand
Posted: 17/02/2008
I do have copies of death certificates of i) William Nicholls ... son of Obidiah Nicholls of Falmouth, England, and Alica Grey. He died 13 dec. 1900 at Mangaiti, Te Aroha. He apparently had 2 sons and 2 daughters. Wife was Hera Te Whakaawa. Age when he died: 82 ii) James Ponui Nicholls.... died at Kopu, aged 88, in 1941. He is described as married to Merea Kiriwaiti. Accroding to the death certificate, he only has 1 child, a son,still living at the time. My relative of his family, known as Lena Evelyn, died in 1915. ( I also have a copy of her death certificate.) A copy of a family tree I have been fiven,lists 3 children for James Ponui and Hera: Lena, Humphrey and Meara (Mary).Hope this is of some help.
Mk2_Zephyr
Posts: 22
New Zealand
Posted: 20/02/2008
Thank you both, I am sure we can sort this all out soon.
Sorry, if I take a while to reply, I am still flat out on some Hokianga family.
Tatai-Kokero
Posts: 1
Aotearoa
Posted: 25/02/2008
Kia ora whanau
I am a descendent of Charlotte (Harete) Nicholls and its great to see so many whanau out there.
Yes Charlotte was married twice. Her first husband (a Ships Captain) and 2(?) children were drowned in Hobart. After this she returned to Matakana and married Joseph Smallman and my family descends from here.
The information above agrees with what I have (My aunt has a complete whakapapa on both the Famouth and Matakana lines if anyone is interested.
The hapu at Matakana is Ngati Tauaiti and I beleive that ** (a cousin) is still chairman of the Ngati Pukenga Runanga (Iwi Authority)
As an interesting aside the Maces mentioned in the Charles Dearle link above were accountants. My father went looking for an accountant oneday and found the Maces firm and the (apparently) red haired blue-eyed pakeha Mr MAce.
Then one day the older Mace came in with a family tree showing that we were related
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Hey .. looks familar ... :D
Lots of incorrect info mixed in there. Sorted most of it now ...
There are also cousins messages on some of the older message boards. genforum.genealogy.com/nicholls/messages/564.html
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Hello Anita,
Im very new to the site and was wondering how I can send you messages instead of butting in on your conversations.
I am trying to put something together for my children and their children to show them where there roots are and would like get some help from you, I too also maybe able to help you as well ok.
I too come from the Obadiah Nicholls .
My family are around Te Aroha to Okauia and my great Grandmothers name is "Annie"
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Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks for your message. I think now that you have made a few posts you are now able to send me a private message - look for the icon under my name.
Always happy to hear from anyone about this family ;D
Cheers,
Anita
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Hi All,
I think all contributors to this thread will receive a notification so just wanted to let you know P. Hart has recently updated his paper about William Nicholls Snr.
In the future it may be published including a few photos, we are still searching for images of James/Hemi, Susan/Huhana & of course Sarah/Hera Te Whakaawa.
If anyone would like a copy of the paper please drop me a line :)
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Hi Catherine
Bruce Patty here, I'm a direct descendant of John Stewart and Lennie Patty. I would be very keen to get a copy of any old pictures that your mum has and find out about your Ballarat research.
Cheers
Bruce
Hamilton, NZ
Kia ora, hello,
I am not sure if either my mother or I have posted on here before. I am a descendant of James Ponui Nicholls and Hera Te Whakaawa through their daughter Lennie (aka Laura/Rennie/Rena) who married John Stewart Patty. Mum has some old pictures but I think they are of John Stewart Patty and Lennie. I would have to check. My great grandmother is Laura Evelyn Pattie, the daughter of John Stewart Patty and Lennie. There is a lot of info to read on here!
I am currently living in Melbourne - which has been great for researching John Stewart Patty (born in Ballarat, the family name is Pattie, but his is Patty on his birth certificate etc). We have his marriage certificate and death certificate, also I think Lennie or her daughters birth certificate. I will find out this weekend when I am back in Auckland.
sorry for the ramble!
Thanks
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Hi,
Not sure if this website is still fully functioning, but interesting to see all the chat here re. my ancestors.
I am the great-granddaughter of Lilla May Dearle, whose grandmother was Hera Te Whakaawa.
Her uncle was James Ponui Nicholls.
Always happy to discuss or answer any questions.
I was very close to my grandmother who started our family history interest in the 1970s and only died a few years ago at almost 94.
Cheers,
Carlene Hond (born Dickie)
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Hi,
Not sure if this website is still fully functioning, but interesting to see all the chat here re. my ancestors.
I am the great-granddaughter of Lilla May Dearle, whose grandmother was Hera Te Whakaawa.
Her uncle was James Ponui Nicholls.
Always happy to discuss or answer any questions.
I was very close to my grandmother who started our family history interest in the 1970s and only died a few years ago at almost 94.
Cheers,
Carlene Hond (born Dickie)
Hi Carlene,
Lovely to hear from you and learn about Lilla's branch of the family.
Myself and some other cousins are always looking for photographs or portraits of the family. As yet we have never seen one of James Ponui Nicholls. I do recall seeing a lovely photo of Lilla though.
Did you attend or hear about the Whanau gathering on Matakana Island in January this year?
Cheers,
Anita
Ps feel free to private message me if you would like my email address :)
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Hi Anothergenie
I am also connected to William Nicholls and Te Whakaawa through their daughter Alice Grey Nicholls who married Charles John Dearle
I found some family photos this week which is very exciting!!
Do you have any photos of William and his family?
Will send you a private message with my email as I would love to chat to you further about the family and trade info :)
If anyone else would like copies of the photos please contact me via PM
Cheers,
Anita