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Title: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Monday 30 January 12 18:01 GMT (UK): Hi all,

I am trying to trace this family backwards and would greatly appreciate any help that can be given to me by those with the tools to do so!
Also on the 1861 census image I am trying to decipher the 103 year old chaps first name!
Many thanks in Advance!

1851New Brunswick
Isiah Godine 27
Susan 26
Madaline 5
Julia 3
Peter 1
Madaline 76
Mary 59
Susan 92

1861
Isiah Goodine 37
Susan 37
Madaline 16
Julia 14
Peter 11
Caroline 10
Francis 6
John 2
??? 103
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: vbain on Monday 30 January 12 19:19 GMT (UK): New Brunswick, yes?
I have looked at Automatedgenealogy.
Everyone has aged a bit.
I looked at 1901 census
I looked at the 1852 census
I have looked at the 1871 census, and no Godines were there.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Monday 30 January 12 19:24 GMT (UK): Could be Goodine
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: vbain on Monday 30 January 12 19:59 GMT (UK): I favour Gaudin, but we can many at of the family(ies).
I would suggest they look at Worldconnect.
Worldconnect.com
Most have travelled through New Brunswick. as well as Quebec.

I guess I would say, 1."What can we do to find your families"?
2. "What would you like to achieve?"
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: valeriec on Monday 30 January 12 22:17 GMT (UK): In the 1851 census, you have Susan age 92, have you ruled out her as the chap that is 103. I think from your post that you are looking for the first name of the 103 year old not the surname.

Can you give the area of New Brunswick that you found the family and I will try to find some further info.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Monday 30 January 12 23:06 GMT (UK): The 1852 does say Susan, but M for male... here is the image... I figured it might be the same fellow as in 1861 due to the age...I see transcrips of Susan in 1852, Sosau in 1861 (on FHS but no images available) I am wondering if the last letter is a U and the first perhaps a T ...Could be phonetic Tusan for Touiussant? Pure spec at this point as there are several but none of this age in births for Quebec thus far...

1851 image Goodine Kingsclear, York, New Brunswick, Canada...Note that there is a family in previous home with an elderly lady "Emma" as well so could also be more familthere
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=6718
previous household
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=6717

At this stage, Mary might be a likely mother, the elderly couple in household a grandparents ?? I'll look for the 1871 and see who else shows up near him...then see if there are deaths for the more elderly Godine Gooding Googing, Godin ) Last one would be the truer version from the French
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Monday 30 January 12 23:20 GMT (UK): ahha... why didn't I notice the 'M' before!... I guess when I saw Susan I just presumed it was a woman, must be a mistranscription then.. Tusan could well be a possibility... first letter looks like an L to me.
They seem like a large family.. any marriage records available or baptisms perhaps for more clues?
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 31 January 12 00:01 GMT (UK): Here they are as "Godnie" add a John 1862, Matilda 1865 and Retta ( or Rettie) 1866
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1871/001101-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=863938&interval=86&i=jpg

Here are lots of spellings on 2 pages from 1871 as a quick reference http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k1n/

Other Godine on previous pages a young John & Julieanne, Edward & Mary, John & Bridget prior pages 6&7 Unfortunately pages 8 & 9 are not in order...
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1871/001101-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=863932&interval=86&i=jpg
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 31 January 12 00:21 GMT (UK): You may be right about an "L" as here is another Godine on 1871 named "Losaw?"
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1871/001101-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=1971693&interval=86&i=jpg
Certainly not a typical french name... ;D Hmmm, although just may be LAZARE?

Age is off but if this is Francis , Susan's surname may be King...If you know this to be true let us know in case a marriage is ever found https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XG87-74N
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/uidlinks/Links.jsp?uid=700080928
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 31 January 12 14:23 GMT (UK): I wonder if there is a pioneer cememtery. The older crosses/stones may not exist anymore, and this may jusst be partial transcripts of cemeteries, but Godin and it's dirivitives are few & aren't represented according to the great number within the Parish
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~damery/YO/Cem/StPatsCem/StPatricks-01.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~damery/YO/Cem/StPatsCem/StPatricks-02.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~damery/YO/Cem/StPatsCem/StPatricks-03.html
St. Ann's Parish Kingsclear, RR #6, Comp. 1, Site 4, Fredericton E3B 4X7
Two Suszan/ne died in 1909, this one matches age in 1851, image available to view, with no information to even prove it is she.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XGH1-R6X
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 31 January 12 14:59 GMT (UK): Peter and family in 1881, next household Alexan c1815, then Susan & family already widowed and next household Edward c1815
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915291
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915293
There are some Goodine a few house before Peter ( widow Roseanne) and a few after Edward ( Augustus? c.1800)

I know you want backwards, but children and names are sometimes also a clue, we have very little as far as BMD info as seems not many were registered ...so maybe we can find other siblings who have more info
In 1901 if this your Peter he is a widow http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=8593&highlight=50 a Frank & Ida Goodine & child on same page
next page in Peter's household, boarders ( sister Matila perhaps?) although she and the other boarder are surname Good..( note in 1871 there were Goodnie and Goodine all in on household)
and again Edward ( uncle?) next door
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=8594
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 31 January 12 15:47 GMT (UK): So far no luck in here, ...found only a birth for one of Frank's children, his middle initial I perhaps father's name
http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/GovRecs/VISSE/141A2_2.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=F36157EE-25FA-40B6-81DB-9A4EE5409D48 Use search at top left to look for more records...
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Tuesday 31 January 12 20:48 GMT (UK): Thank you.. that all looks very interesting! I'm sure they are all relatives but hard to get a clear picture without any baptism records.
Francis/Frank Goodine is a direct interest as it is his daughter Susan whom I am tracing back through. I am guessing Francis has the middle name Isiah.
As well as Harry and Susan he and Rebecca had two other children that I am aware of, George 1892 and John Baptiste 1895.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 01 February 12 16:38 GMT (UK): Yes, I see it was John B. who signed the death cert..and that Frank was buried St.Anne's churchyard...at least the newer certs had more information on them...That 138 yr old church was burned down in a fire recently http://atlantic.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111222/saint_anne_112211/20111222?hub=AtlanticHome
Frank also signed Julia's death cert in 1931...https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-159392-99099-1?cc=1840147
Still trawling through online records hoping for a tidbit...
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 01 February 12 16:43 GMT (UK): The Tusaw (n?) (u?) in the 1851 census and the probable Tusaw in the 1861 census might be A Tousaint. The phonetic spelling of the French pronounciation of Tousaint would just about equate to something like Tusan(w). There is a marriage in the NB parish records in 1863 for what s/b a much younger Tousaint Godine who may be related. No parental info is given.

Do you have the marriage info for Francis to Rebecca Trimm and Rebecca's baptism into the Roman Catholic church just prior to her marriage? Assuming this is the correct couple, her father's name is given on the baptism as Henry Trimm and her mother as Jane Lushau (w?).

You might find the Trimm family at this resource, in case you haven't looked already ... http://ngb.chebucto.org/index.html

Francis and Rebecca have another child listed as Juley age 8 in the 1891 census and there is an unnamed child registerd to Frank Goodine and Betsey Trim b. 21 Apr 1889.

I have so far been unsuccessful in a search for a birth for Frank and a marriage for Isaiah and Susan(ne?).
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Wednesday 01 February 12 17:01 GMT (UK): Thank you both... I have more info on the Trimm's back to Newfoundland.
So we think it is Toussaint then? The French link can't be much further back if thats his name! And the surname is Gaudin..
There is this.. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true is this
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 01 February 12 19:53 GMT (UK): Yeah we have to be careful hanging our hats on what that might be...far too loose at this point, we'll need more proof, because as I said it could also be Lazarre or even Lucent/ Lucien/ Lucen bad spelling and phonetics mean we must be cautious.
penninah that link in reply15 doesn't work...you need to use the newer site for urls to remain valid (One has to use an altogether different method to make the older site urls work) https://www.familysearch.org/
You can find it there and modify the reply to erase the other url and replace with the new one

some directory listings...
http://yorksunburymuseum.wordpress.com/tag/french-village-kingsclear-first-nation/
http://yorksunburymuseum.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/page-130-500x96dpi.jpg

Also note that they seem to be using Goodine fully throughout many census, deaths, etc. The name derived from Godin perhaps from sheer necessity of postmen, doctors, etc. staying sane, when family numbers and same forenames is too much to bear for the community. Note too, family of Good after Francis in 1881 which may or may not have been a further shortening of the name...
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915305

Frank is about 10 houses after Augutus (Augustus) see previous posting re:1881 census
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Wednesday 01 February 12 20:11 GMT (UK): Ahhh ok... ooops!

Yes, I know without proving one way or another its hard to be sure who is who.
Hopefully something will come out of the woodwork!
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 02 February 12 01:03 GMT (UK): Isaac King, a pauper, living with Susan ( but there are other Susans this the closest in age, so is this she?) and Francis who must be a Grandson although marked a son, just a few pages after Frank & Rebecca
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=549207
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=549157
gets younger every census http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k2m/
Doesn't help your Goodine, but Isaac's family, parents Francis King & Mary Lucy seems to be the only visible King in Kingsclear, and a Benjamin on same page as Isaiah & Susan, and an Elias also on his own elsewhere
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=6748, There should also be a Joseph, he shows up in later census
In 1881 she's a widow living with children ( a few houses before David & mary Goodine in case related as well)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915363
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: valeriec on Thursday 02 February 12 13:37 GMT (UK): www.dioceseofsaintjohn.org

Under diocesan office, click archives, then archivist for the contact information.

Other option is to go to the contact section. Hopefully, they may have journals of bmd's in the churches

The church, St. Anne's, that burned was on the Kingsclear First Nations.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 02 February 12 17:41 GMT (UK): The church was used by anyone in the community...although it isn't old enough to have been there when the older families passed, that is where Frank was interred...St.Anne's churchyard
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Thursday 02 February 12 17:44 GMT (UK): Sorry not reply back on specific things, I do really appreciate all the help I am being given.. just a lot to read and take in!

I shall go through everything again now and see if there is anymore I can let you know!

Thanks again ;)
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Thursday 02 February 12 20:42 GMT (UK): Came across a Toussaint Goodine on another tree who is born 1769 (no birth place) and marries a Madaline Tardiff in French Village, NB July 4 1798. Can anyone see any information that can connect this chap or not?

???
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Thursday 02 February 12 22:43 GMT (UK): Godin, Toussaint dit Bellefontaine, 1769in Ekoupahag (French Vill), Nova Scotia (later NB), Died BEF 1851 in Kingsclear, York County, New Brunswick

This would tie in so beautifully with the Madeline in the household in 1852...however I have looked and looked and can't find anything that connects to your man...unless he was using a nickname or middle name... This site show the father of that Toussant, and goes way back to early Montreal then Nova Scotia
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=katheriot&id=I12581
and then here goes back to ***GODIN dit CHATILLON dit BELLEFONTAINE and even to France
http://www.acadian-roots.com/genealogy-godin.html
which all makes for interesting reading, and certainly could be that he is a descendant of one of them
( French Village is in Kingsclear, but also in Nova Scotia)

This is the FHS site that follows down the line ( a submission) but if you look at Toussant's link he is married to Madeline Tardiff, as you said, but none of the children match the name Asaiah. ( the unnamed child must have also been found as a death)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG26-WL7

While I do believe Toussant fathered children until his seventies, I don't believe the mother could have, so having her age the same as his on the one site was likely contrived ...The Madeline on the census would have been around 50 when Isaih was born, not impossible, but certainly rare...although, again, people pulled ages out of a hat at census time, it seems...

*** dit is hard to explain, so will just send you here http://www.francogene.com/quebec/ditnames.php
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Friday 03 February 12 00:08 GMT (UK): Baptism for Francis ....

Francis Godine
09 Apr 1856 age 2 months
Born of the lawful marriage of Isaah (sic?) Godine and Susana King
Sponsor Margaret Godine
St Dunstan Parish Church Fredricton

This appears to fit with the birthdate given by Frank in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

I have been searching for a birth and/or marriage for Isaiah but no luck so far. To add to the problems, unlike Quebec, where the parents are given on the RC marriage records, the names of parents do not appear on the Acadian RC parish records. Added: have discovered the parents do appear on some but it isn't helping matters.

Added: Pure speculation at this point but the 76 year old Madaline who is in the household of Isaiah and Susan in the 1851 census is a good prospect for that 1798 marriage. It is really too bad the relationship was only given as L (probably Lodger?) for the elderly Godines ..... it would have been a tremendous help here to have something like mother, aunt, grandfather, whatever.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Friday 03 February 12 00:44 GMT (UK): More Pure speculation Penninah has also found something that might link the King family to Jean ROY dit Laliberte ( the Roy being anglicized ROI which is French for KING) This would make the family French metis, as he married an aboriginal woman. ( If the link ever proves to be true, but as it is right now, we are having enough trouble with the Goodine hunt!! )
Penninah's find was Joseph King who does show up in Kingsclear 1861 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQMY-6ZZ
and Francis King who could be the father https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQMY-687
married to Elizabeth Goodine...

so check it out...Roy DNA? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NewBrunswick/2007-03/1173782931
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Friday 03 February 12 18:32 GMT (UK): Fantastic thank you for the baptism record pb!

I have taken a good look at all those links JJ.. hopefully I can gleam some more from them.
I'm sure there is a clue in there somewhere!
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Friday 03 February 12 19:14 GMT (UK): Popping in here and there, as am busy...I forgot about first families...http://www.nbgs.ca/firstfamilies/FAMILY-G-2006.pdf Jacques-Phillippe, here called dit Bellefeuille, son Daniel, his son Toussant at centre of pdf... their sources listed after, are likely the source of the submissions we found.

Oh dear, more dit to add to the name
Daniel (Godin) Bellefontaine dit Bellefeuille / Jacques Philippe Godin dit Bellefontaine dit Bellefeuille
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Friday 03 February 12 19:29 GMT (UK): Oh, you are going to be so happy the family you found was correct, Frances was a brother!!! Suzanne King 3/4 way down page ( or use keyword Boniface in the upper middle find next on page )
http://www.nbgs.ca/firstfamilies/FAMILY-K-2006.pdf

Joseph Roy or King b. Feb 19 1792, parents Charles Boniface Roy & Helene Ann Martin
married June 5 1816 to
Marie Madeleine Bouchard b. Nov. 5 1790 La Pocatiere, parents Joseph Antoine Bouchard & Marie Joseph(te) Moreau

Suzanne August 9 1826 other siblings on page!!

Was Marie Elizabeth who married Joseph a sister of Asaiah? Perhaps she can be followed to connect her, at least that would be a start of help if same family. I am also at a loss as to why Isaac King is in her household as he seems to not be a close relative...
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Friday 03 February 12 19:46 GMT (UK): YES!! Thats great... well done!!
I'm very pleased that worked out! ;D
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Friday 03 February 12 20:38 GMT (UK): Oooh well done J.J.!!!

More help for my searches! I will work on it and report anything I find. What an interesting thread!

PB
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Friday 03 February 12 23:50 GMT (UK): Somewhere in that bunch has still got to be your family, and I think we are still safe to post what we find... Daniel & Joseph, land grants 1799 http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/GovRecs/RS686/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&Key=40015

A fabulous mini bio of some family here, and according to this version, full name of your ancestor was Joseph Joachim Roy
"Charles and his family settled in Madawaska, where they built a log cabin on Lot 116 in Hamlin Plantation. The Roy home is currently being preserved at the Acadian Village in Van Buren...."
http://home.hiwaay.net/~dumont/RoyFamNotes.htm

Note also: Charles Boniface Roy married Helene Martin, the daughter of Jean Baptiste Martin and Helene Godin dit Bellefontaine.
and...you are indeed Metis ...quite a ways back but a wee bit of wonderful colouring may come through in some generations.... http://www.acadian-home.org/Marie-Aubois.html

I give you these sites to peruse, but no guarantees they are accurate and fully researched, you'll have to confirm with them the sources of their information...ie: Note your ancestor was left out of the list of children to Charles b. http://fromwhence.tripod.com/roy_laliberte.htm
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 04 February 12 04:34 GMT (UK): According to one site we found Toussain was a son of Toussant, so Marie Elizabeth would have been a neice of Isaiah, if of course he was a son...Being in a household can perhaps make you family, but what if his real family was in an earlier household...as look at Isaac...as P.B. says the lack of relationships makes it all a guessing game...
http://irene-doyle-family.restigouche.net/tardif.htm Oh, can't wrap my brain around all this...look at the families of the families...coming around again...
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Sunday 05 February 12 21:15 GMT (UK): This looks like the baptism for Susanne King ....

As Susanne Boniface in the PR margin ...

09 Aug 1826
Susanne born today of the legitimate marriage of Joseph Roi (w/b Roy/King) dit Boniface farmer of this mission and Marie Magdeleine Bouchard. Godfather Joseph Dev??? and Godmother Marianne Syr who both declared they were unable to sign. Father was absent.
Added: At St Anne Mission.

From the Drouin Collection (Acadia) ... transcribed from the French.

PB
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 05 February 12 22:14 GMT (UK): Wow, P.B....Your efforts on behalf of Penn are above and beyond...what a great amount of trouble you've gone to for this thread...
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 05 February 12 22:35 GMT (UK): I almost fell off my chair as I thought we might be chasing the wrong family...read about page six and on to get really confused as probate files talk about Joseph Alexander and a different name for a wife, and a Suzanne born also 1826...But then I remembered oh, yeah, just like marie is a name given to French daughters before actual forenames, the boys may have Joseph as a first name... so this may have been Alexander?? Anyway, too much for my brain today...
Lots of information on here if you can follow it all...

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/e/l/John-Nelson-NH/PDFGENE2.pdf
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Monday 06 February 12 15:48 GMT (UK): O.k. not thinking all these families will be listed in "first families" under dit or other versions of names so we need to consult what was already found before making p.B. do all that eye wrenching searching..
I'll post some here, but easy to consult any other pages by just changing the letter of the Alphabet in the url ( as a CAPITAL)
No Bellefeuille or Bellefontaine or Boniface listings...
Charles Boniface ROY and father Benoit ROY , etc...
http://www.nbgs.ca/firstfamilies/FAMILY-R-2006.pdf
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Monday 06 February 12 16:13 GMT (UK): Ok I am amazed at what you are both finding! Thank you so much :-*
Although I must admit to getting more than a little confused with all the name changing!! Dit and Marie/Joseph the Roi/King the Boniface and the Bellefontaine! I need to find away to get it all in order!

So we have Susanne Kings baptism, thats great PB thanks... I heard from a researcher on Arcadians that the best source of info is 'Stephen A. White's Dictionnaire genealogique des familles acadiennes' Apparently there is a new volume due out though I don't know when.

J.J that info you found on Toussaint and Madaline's children was interesting, a few names that match with their children but not the dates.. is there a 41 census?
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Monday 06 February 12 16:26 GMT (UK): J.J.'s posts are providing me with great clues to work with :).

The list of possible names is certainly growing. I think your best bet is to get out a big piece of paper and diagram the info out.

There was no 1841 census.

PB
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Monday 06 February 12 16:56 GMT (UK): That submission I sent you to pages back has the family in order right down to the children...
but maybe it will be easier for you to follow from the children and back
Remember this is a submission, and may not be all that accurate...Note Francois is down twice. He also seems to use Xavier...Francis was his saints name...like Mary/Marie... so Jean/Joseph etc. can be dropped or kept...that is what I have been thinking regarding Isaiah...is he using his Christian birth name or his second name... For instance...Looking at Nazairre...did he die, or could he be our man? So many ifs ands or butts we have to sift through...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG26-BTK
Oh, hmmm, yeah that other site had an Edward, this one doesn't and lists 2 Francois as well...but dated properly....
http://irene-doyle-family.restigouche.net/tardif.htm
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Monday 06 February 12 17:43 GMT (UK): Ah yes of course, Xavier! and you may be right on Nazaire. Unfortunate that there is no 41..
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Monday 06 February 12 21:14 GMT (UK): .
1833 Madawaska Settlement but where is Benoit thought to have died after this...now I know why a multitude of King & Roy ended up in Aroostook County, Maine
http://www.upperstjohn.com/1833/censind.htm
older residents of Maine census b. Canada
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MF3F-JYH and http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k4i/

marriage Louis KING / Madeline GODINE 1857, not sure if sister...may be too old, huh...
http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=08956092-ef62-41fa-8d9a-c603477adb3d&r=1&ni=116180

Looking back into the King family, parents of Benoit Note new spelling of Bourg dit name Bellehgumeur
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/e/l/John-Nelson-NH/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0939.html
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/jbourg.htm
http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/homes/friedman/genealogy/Aucoin.htm
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/jbourg.htm
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pitretrail/myline/paternal/BBergeron.htm

http://www.acadian-cajun.com/ship6.htm

Later you may want to peek in here, mostly Gleaner would be your likely family but you never know
http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/NameIndexResults.aspx?culture=en-CA&name=43Yk2+u3QFpmtfJY9QDxmmBf1DGtlFx+XqtynY6P+8A=
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Monday 06 February 12 23:22 GMT (UK): Nazaire Godin and Susanne Roi were married 03 Feb 1844 at St Dunstan Fredericton. There was no parental info. From the Drouin Collection (Acadia)

The first child I have found for this couple is Mary Godin baptized 24 Jan 1846 at the same church. Parents as Nazere Godin and Susan King.

This birth would circumstantially match Madaline, the eldest child of Isaiah and Susan in the 1851 census, and for whom I haven't yet found a baptism.

Oh what a tangled web ;D
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 07 February 12 04:32 GMT (UK): ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8)

Yes!! Well done, P.B. but I forgot about the parents not listed on those marriages how sad is that? We're so close? How can we close this? Argh!

Madaline, Madeline, called Amandy 1871 , or Mandy in 1881...so she was, of course, Marie Madeline. sigh :P
Don't see her in 1891 but don't see a marriage
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Tuesday 07 February 12 14:48 GMT (UK): Ooooh so close now!! That is amazing nice work PB!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-*
8) 8) 8) ;) ;) ;)

Shame there is no info on the parents, how do you get Isiah out of Naziere!?

thank you for the links J.J they are very interesting :-*
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 07 February 12 14:51 GMT (UK): Have to remember biblical / saint's names would often be the first names...Remember i said there have been three Marie in a family, using the baptimal (or birth name if it was given at birth) rather than the given name...remember the 2 Francois in his family? Sister Marie Madeline?? They could all have all be first name Marie... ( Suzanne had a saint's name I guess, but then so did Madeleine...but Mary seems a choice many made anyway)
Nevermind there is a name given at confirmation as well...so what if somebody chooses to use the third name??
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 07 February 12 17:02 GMT (UK): Posting now, but adding as I find more just in case the reply disappears with all this on it......note these are basic info submitted here and there...some may be fully researched...some obviously not...

Francois Godin c.1800, Fredricton / d.nov. 1838, Kingsclear / m. Elizabeth Thibodeau
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-38G
Some wrong information on here, as Susan Martin married Francois Xavier
this seems to have the other Francois birth date?? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-38G

Toussain Godin c. 1800, Fredericton/ d.Mar. 13/1883, Fredericton / m. Victoire Godin
http://records.ancestry.com/Toussaint_Godin_records.ashx?pid=51350052
CHRISTENING FOUND: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-3W8

Alexis Godin born June 29/1806, Hautepok / ~~married Sarah Akarie~~
shows CHRISTENING FOUND: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-8SD crossing out for now as:
:P Hmnnn ancestry has the one who married sarah of another set of parents http://records.ancestry.com/Alexis_Godin_records.ashx?pid=35945184
There is an Alexie and Ellen a few houses after Isaiah & Susan in 1852 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=6718

Theotiste Godin born Sept. 1808 at Riviere St Jean / d. Kingsclear, NB., after 1861 / m. Luc Mazerolle
http://records.ancestry.com/Th%C3%A9otiste_Godin_records.ashx?pid=35835165
CHRISTENING FOUND: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-83L
Household after Asaiah is a Luike and Juthee?? so probably her family http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=6718

Francois Xavier Godin July 18/1811 see Susan Martin from brother's entry
http://records.ancestry.com/Francois_Godin_records.ashx?pid=35945824
CHRISTENING FOUND: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-8XF
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XGZG-HBV
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/View.jsp?id=6744&highlight=29

Madeleine Godin born Dec. 1814 Christened 1815
CHRISTENING FOUND: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-8PN

Edouard Godin c. 1819 married to Mary Roy
she is said to be... the daughter of the daughter of TOUSSAINT GODIN and VICTOIRE
GODIN....egads!!!
http://records.ancestry.com/Edouard_Godin_records.ashx?pid=51351303
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915294

Louise Godin born June 30/1819
CHRISTENING FOUND: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-DMX
They think she dies prior to 1851...but can check marriages to a William Roy, or a Damas Gendron - ( from Mass. death entries just say canada so not sure where born) although again may not state parents after all the work involved...)

Unknown Godin born Feb. 1823/

ack yes, it was here all that time,too bad we never found this sooner...
Nazaire Godin born Apr. 12/1824 married to Suzanne Roy says died 1851**
http://records.ancestry.com/Nazaire_Godin_records.ashx?pid=59212616
CHRISTENING FOUND https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SG2X-H6P

** I imagine if they can't find people on 1851 they simply say they are dead by then! Needed P.B. and J.J. on the case. Still, we have no proof...Looks to be my family is what you'll have to say at this point...

More history http://www.acadiansingray.com/Appendices-ATLAL-GAUDIN-GODIN.htm
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Tuesday 07 February 12 17:54 GMT (UK): Aaah thank you so much JJ!! This is just great... no need for confusion now.. brilliant! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 07 February 12 19:04 GMT (UK): O.K. I did find more http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915320
Noting that Susan's family were pages 35/36 your Frances on 39 then on page 42

Teansant GOODINE c1799 Farmer
William 46
Leigh 56
Permile 33
Ida 6
Levenia 71
Susan 69
Then next door
Luke MAZERALL 77 Farmer
Theodocia c.1804
Fannie 44
Madlen 27
Xavier 24
Elisah 14
Then 3 doors down
Alexis GOODINE 1811 farmer
Hellene 50
Alexis 32
Benjamin 30
Abraham 12
Three more down a few more children of somebody with families then
Xavier GOODINE 1811 Farmer
Susan 68
Justis 45
George 38
Hetty Ann 34
Fanney 24
Xavier 30
Alferd 1
Jane baby
Lots of younger Goodine families after this

There is also the Edward born 1815 on page 36
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915294
Edward GOODINE 1814
Mary52
William34
Rosan 30
Richard 26
Alice 24
Malindy 22
Maryam 20
Hariett 17
John 15
Joseph 3

Now between your Francis and his mother is that Agustis Goodine ( maybe shortening of the saint's name Agustine?? Who is this another brother??
O.k. is Augustine/Gustus/Augustus your Edward married as Edouard ?? http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/View.jsp?id=6717&highlight=32
And a widower another Alexan c. 1815 also on page 36 http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915292
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Tuesday 07 February 12 20:51 GMT (UK): So thats brothers Toussaint, Theotiste, Alexis, Francios Xavier and some possibles for Edourd... we have to be onto the right people.

Well done!!

What were your questions regarding Francis? What other brother?

:)
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 07 February 12 21:30 GMT (UK): Perhaps my wording was missleading...
Augustus was between Francis & Susan on the 1881, and prior to Isaiah and Susan on the 1871...so was questioning his family ties...then wondered if he is Edward, he surely seems to fit in with the family

but this fellow in 1871 may be the right one...
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1871/001101-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=863914&interval=86&i=jpg&PHPSESSID=as8afc46ojuosjv22s0jqucf63
But who knows???

ack, I forgot I did find one in 1881...no wonder I need to stop, huh?

Reply #45 explains why Nazairre may be Asaiah
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 08 February 12 00:55 GMT (UK): heehee one more thing/York probate files..
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbyork/probate/probate-g.html
and a great mini bio...re: Toussant's father Daniel not sure if I found that before...
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=raypage27&id=I30752
and his father http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=raypage27&id=I30845
and his father http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=raypage27&id=I30847
and his father http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=raypage27&id=I34936
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Wednesday 08 February 12 11:56 GMT (UK): Will have read on all that... the bio's look very interesting!
Thanks again! Good stuff :-*
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 08 February 12 19:30 GMT (UK): A few more clues :) .... some more baptisms.

Caroline Godin age 2 momths
03 Jul 1853
f. Azere? Godin
m. Susan Roi

Pronounciation of Azere? w/b closer to Nazaire than Isaiah, I'd think?

On the same day a Henry Godin s/o David was baptized. Sponsors Nazare Godin and Susan Roy.

Margaret Matilda Godine b. 19th Ult. (?Feb?)
02 Mar 1862
f. Nazaire Godine
m. Susanna King
sponsors Michael Godine and Margaret Godine

Josephine Goodine age 5 weeks
06 May 1865
f. Naz? (rest illegible) Goodine
m. Susan King
sponsors Clement and Mad. Goodin

All at St Dunstan Parish Fredericton (from the Drouin Collection (Acadia)).

Continuing ....
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Wednesday 08 February 12 19:43 GMT (UK): aahh.. now we're on a roll! Thanks PB thats great! :-*
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 08 February 12 19:47 GMT (UK): Continuing ....

I wonder if Josephine c/b the Retta with the family in the 1861 and 1871 censuses? The age is about right.

It appears that there is a "Nazaire" alive and well until at least 1865.

These 3 children baptized to "Nazaire" and Susan/Susanna Roi/King are a fairly close match to the 3 in the 1861 and 1871 censuses with Isaiah and Susan. I haven't found any baptisms for children of similar names and ages baptized by other possible Goodine rellies.

I suspect at this point that Isaiah and Nazaire are the same person. This has been mentioned earlier ... there appears to be a bit more now to indicate that this might be the case.

In the final analysis, Penninah, you will have to weigh all the evidence and decide for yourself.

Polarbear
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Penninah on Wednesday 08 February 12 20:05 GMT (UK): I'm with you and JJ on this one, I believe it is one and the same person but realise its best to be a little cautious. You're right about the baptisms being good matches on a whole, I will take that for now.
Thank you both again for all your help you have been invaluable on this task! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Wednesday 08 February 12 20:12 GMT (UK): You are very welcome :). It has been a most interesting hunt.

PB
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 08 February 12 20:22 GMT (UK): Wonderful work as always, polarbear!...pleasure to work with you again on such a great hunt!

You're very welcome, penninah :D

The language wasn't enough of a barrier, messing with the surnames and adding dits and phonetics. ( as you see the dits were used interchangeably or fully whenever ) but the first names being for the most part a religious name which they could keep or discard makes these a real search. One was also at the mercy of the religion when it came to baptisms as some priests/parents/selves probably insisted that all religious ceremony, baptism, marriage, funeral, be entered using the saint's name. This helps explain the different names on census and documents, but makes it almost impossible to wholly prove...

Their proximity in census does help, and the fact that we have no other Nazaire Goodine/Godin on census, but Polarbear has happily found you proof that he was indeed having children between the censuses, when he's been thought not to be alive any longer, proves our theory may be correct, but doesn't prove the whole truth. I have seen many other Isaiah Nazairre and Nazairre Isaiah since, so the names seem a popular pairing.

Polarbear and I are cautious these days as we did find someone many years ago who proved to have a duplicate born in the same place, same year. ( but she'd moved on to another Province with family so didn't show up until we found her death record which had only been made available recently...) The thread-owner had gone on to claim the wrong person and dig in to her ancestors, and we were made to feel at fault...thus our disclaimers below... J.J.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Sunday 12 February 12 17:03 GMT (UK): Hi again.

I haven't yet found a death for Nazaire but it appears he might be still alive in 1877 ... a Nazaire Goodine is down as a sponsor at the baptism of an Abraham Vincent Mazarolle, the mother being a Margaret Goodine.

PB
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 12 February 12 20:23 GMT (UK): That does all start to add up in our favour, as I said no Nazaire in census only in church documents so were likely asked to use saint's name. Not all parishes were as staunch though, so this wasn't always held up either... Nice of you to keep hunting polarbear...I thought I had sticktoitiveness, but you are like glue!!!

That Margaret hasn't been traced...but she may have been a neice? others looking for her here.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NewBrunswick/2003-06/1054993535
Here is that *Mazeroll family in 1881...http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881CN_915264
Margaret may also be using her given ( middle) name on census rather than her saint's name... so that could be their mystery as well...sad that parents weren't given in those marriages...

*another spelling of the name in Hautepok was Myshrall and there were dit variations as well ...David was the son of Jean Mazerolle & **Victoire Godin ...that circle once again... **father: Joseph Godin dit Bellefontaine
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: MsJunerose on Friday 06 June 14 22:16 BST (UK): I know you posting was from Febuary, but I am looking for the Family of Elizabeth (Lizzie) Goodine Spear, She was my Paternal great grand mother... I was wondering if you have any information on her parents and any siblings, and the Genealogy
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 07 June 14 00:18 BST (UK): Welcome to rootschat! :D Just for future reference, you do have a posting on this person, and since you don't know if she belongs to this family... this request isn't linked to this family as yet, so doesn't belong with this post.
I am sure several people will come in and try to help you with the the actual query posting for her, though, I'll post a link...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=689136.msg5330357#msg5330357

Hmmm, I read your post and see someone led you to this thread, but there are a lot of Godine. Goodine in New Brunswick so I have no idea why you were sent here........ you also have a marriage with parent's names ...which you hadn't stated???
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: MsJunerose on Saturday 07 June 14 00:58 BST (UK): I know.. thanks... I am trying to look for any connection on Facebook also. Just taking a chance..it worked for other family members... Maybe I might find someone. You all are very helpful! :)
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: denby on Friday 28 June 19 14:00 BST (UK): Have you seen this link? May save you lots of trouble on this question:

https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:a25048&id=I87
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Lyn47c on Saturday 31 July 21 04:15 BST (UK): Name:   Isaih Goodine
Gender:   Male
Race:   Native (Native American)
Age:   57
Birth Date:   1804
Home in 1861:   Kingsclear, York, New Brunswick
Relation to Head:   Head
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Page number:   18
Household Members   Age   Relationship
Isaih Goodine   57   Head
Susann Goodine
37   Wife
Madaline Goodine
16   Daughter
Julia Goodine
14   Daughter
Peter Goodine
11   Son
Caroline Goodine
10   Daughter
Francis Goodine
6   Son
John Goodine
2   Son
Sosau Goodine
103   Father
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Saturday 31 July 21 20:36 BST (UK): Hi there....

I just wanted to mention that notes for the 1861 census at Library and Archives Canada indicate that in New Brunswick "Native" means born in New Brunswick, not Aboriginal, so family members would presumably not be the "(Native American)" that ancestry appears to have added to the transcript.

See here under "issues about this census and this database".

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1861/Pages/about-census.aspx#cc

PB
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: Cindysw on Saturday 10 June 23 22:21 BST (UK): Looking for help to locate a birth record for MARY MATILDA LAWRENCE (Laurence) (abt. 1817) in St John, New Brunswick or Shelburne Co, Nova Scotia. Her son's death certificate states his mother was born in Shelburne Co., Nova Scotia and only one census record states she was born in New Brunswick all other census records list her birth place as Nova Scotia.
Title: Re: Looking for more on this family... NEW BRUNSWICK
Post by: polarbear on Saturday 10 June 23 23:03 BST (UK): I was wondering if you have checked out the familysearch dot org website. It is free to use, you just need to register.

This is what they have listed for Nova Scotia, as well as other source websites. You might also like to check out the rootschat Canada Resource section.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Nova_Scotia_Online_Genealogy_Records

PB

Added: this link is for the vital statistics. There won’t be any civil registration for the time frame you are looking at. You would be looking for a baptism at that time.

https://archives.novascotia.ca/vital-statistics/

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