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Title: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Sunday 12 February 12 01:32 GMT (UK)
I am trying to figure out my heritage.

William Isaac Payne(1876)  parents were Smith Payne (1843-1897) & Elizabeth Blake (1852-1924)
But I can't find much information on William Isaac Payne.
He was married a couple times, but can't find much info on them either.
Does anyone have William Isaac Payne in their family tree & have any information on them?
Thank you,
~Lori
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: tedscout on Sunday 12 February 12 01:34 GMT (UK)
Dear Lori,

Welcome to Rootschat.

Do you know where William Isaac PAYNE was born?

Cheers, Ted

Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Sunday 12 February 12 01:36 GMT (UK)
I believe he was born in Remington, IN.
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Sunday 12 February 12 01:39 GMT (UK)
My grandmother was Gertrude Payne > (her father was) William Isaac Payne > (his father was) Smith Payne.

 

William Isaac Payne is my biggest problem. 

He lived in both IN & NY. 

He was married a couple times with a child from the two marriages that I know of, but can’t verify the wife’s names.

I believe William died in NY, but I can’t find his death date or resting place.

His son William "Billy" died as a teenager, can’t find anything on him either.  I believe his mothers name was Crable {aka “Mable” (unk maiden from Maine)} Payne

William Isaac’s other child was Gertrude Lillian Payne. Her mother was Ida Shaw from Ireland. May have been an actress.  Sometime after Gertrude’s birth, they divorced & Ida returned to Ireland.

Gertrude was an unruly child. William shipped Gertrude to live with his mother Elizabeth Blake Payne to raise in Remington, IN area.

 

Thank you for your time, or any information you would be willing to share with me.

Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 12 February 12 15:52 GMT (UK)
There is a US Passport application for William Isaac Payne.

William Isaac Payne
Born 6 Apr 1876 - Remington, Indiana and aged 46 years
Residence: 39 Edgewood Park. New Rochelle, New York. Occupation:- Insurance
Needed the passport to go to England on Commercial Business - leaving NY August 1922 on SS Baltic.
Passport Issue Date was 4 Aug 1922 (with photograph)

Sandra
 
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 12 February 12 15:56 GMT (UK)
William 1905 -  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SPNW-Q5Z

William Isaac Payne with wife Mabel and 2 children in 1910 (indicates this was a 2nd marriage for both - marriued 10 years)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M544-KT9

Sandra

Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 12 February 12 16:00 GMT (UK)
Living in Edgewood Park New Rochelle Ward 4, Westchester, New York in 1920

William Payne 45 Born Indiana. Roomer. Manager Insurance.
Mable Payne 54 Born Maine.
William Payne 15 Born NY.


Sandra
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 12 February 12 16:18 GMT (UK)
Aaah - see you have most of the info on your anc tree. 

Death record for a William I Payne - May 1934 Manhattan - aged 58 years  ???

William I Payne    58 y  May  19  1934  12557  Manhattan

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k7a/

Sandra

 
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: shellyesq on Sunday 12 February 12 16:45 GMT (UK)
There was a death notice in the New York Times that indicated Mabel P. Payne died 23 Feb. 1937 at New York Infirmary.  It says internment private.
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: shellyesq on Sunday 12 February 12 16:52 GMT (UK)
On www.fultonhistory.com, there is a death notice in the Sun and New York Herald for William I. Payne, son of William & Mabel, who died at New Rochelle on 26 Feb. 1920 in his 16th year.  Funeral services at Trinity Church, New Rochelle.
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 12 February 12 17:00 GMT (UK)
There was a death notice in the New York Times that indicated Mabel P. Payne died 23 Feb. 1937 at New York Infirmary.  It says internment private.

Seems to fit with - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0k7d/


Mabel G Payne  - 70 y  Feb  23  1937  5164  Manhattan

Sandra
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Monday 13 February 12 00:33 GMT (UK)
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!

Regarding your last post: 

there is a death notice in the Sun and New York Herald for William I. Payne, son of William & Mabel, who died at New Rochelle on 26 Feb. 1920 in his 16th year.  Funeral services at Trinity Church, New Rochelle.

I have been searching the site, but haven't found the death notice yet.  What is the secret search phrase?
I've used:  William I. Payne
                   William & Mabel
                    Death notice 26 Feb 1920

~Lori


Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: shellyesq on Monday 13 February 12 14:20 GMT (UK)
If you do a search for the exact phrase William I. and Mabel Payne, it should be the first result that comes up.
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Monday 13 February 12 19:16 GMT (UK)
THANK YOU!
I will try to locate any additional information on Billy!
Norman Rockwell Museum requested that I send them the actual date of death.
They didn't have any records back in the day on Billy, not even his date of death.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!
~Lori
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Monday 13 February 12 20:05 GMT (UK)
How about your reference to:
There was a death notice in the New York Times that indicated Mabel P. Payne died 23 Feb. 1937 at New York Infirmary. 
It says internment private.

I can't pull this up from fultonhistory.com

~Lori
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Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: shellyesq on Monday 13 February 12 20:24 GMT (UK)
That wasn't on fultonhistory.com.  It's on a subscription site, or it can be seen for a fee at the New York Times archives. 
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Monday 13 February 12 20:29 GMT (UK)
Would you mind sharing which pay site?
I would like to see it.
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~Lori
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Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Thursday 31 August 17 01:02 BST (UK)
Billy died 26 Feb 1920 in his 16th year.
Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 31 August 17 15:21 BST (UK)
ew York Tribune
Saturday, February 28, 1920
Page 17

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The Sun and New York Herald
Saturday, February 28, 1920
Page 7

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Title: Re: William Isaac Payne
Post by: Mayne711 on Sunday 29 October 17 16:30 GMT (UK)
Ancestry.com is my family tree.
Family name is “My Shuey Family Tree”
My I’d is “Mayne1_1”