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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: SpudsMom on Saturday 25 February 12 02:11 GMT (UK)
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I live in Canada, and recently discovered that my Grandfather was a Home Child sent to Canada in 1927. From the archived documents I have found, he is said to be from Glasgow and was born April 2, 1912. He left Greenock on June 18, 1927 bound for Canada. On the immigration papers in the Canadian Archives, he listed his brother ' J. Fitzpatrick of 86 King St.' as his relative. Where can I find out information about 86 King St. in 1927, and the identity of J. Fitzpatrick ?
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Hi Spudsmum
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Have you traced his family back via his birth cert to be able to confirm parents etc.?
There is a birth entry on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for a Matthew Fitzpatrick in Govan, Glasgow in 1912 as a possibility. You can't view this online as it is just one year outside the 100yr limit to do so and it would need to be ordered.
There is a 1927 Glasgow post office directory available online (the online editions before this stop at 1912). Couldn't see anything for 86 King Street or a J Fitzpatrick. There are a number of King Streets showing:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glasgow/1927address929.jpg
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glasgow/1927address931.jpg
Main page here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glasgow/index-glas.htm
Monica
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Thank You Monica,
I am waiting for the very said birth certificate to arrive in the mail. I have also ordered a copy of his death certificate ( he died Feb 12, 1977 in Vancouver B.C.), and are awaiting that in the mail. Crossing my fingers that there will some info as to his parents. I find it strange that '86 King St.' cannot be located, but the hardest part is who is ' J. Fitzpatrick' ? I will have to wait for the birth certificate/death certificate. Hopefully they will reveal some clues.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn
The birth cert will hopefully begin to open doors for you. Scottish certificates are very informative.
Some guidance notes here on Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&402 The birth cert should include full details on parents hopefully. If married, it will also give you their marriage date and place.
1912 is the year after the last published Scottish census, 1911. If parents were already married, you should also hopefully be able to find them on this for background. Censuses are a good place to start checking for possible siblings/children to a couple.
This period of 1912-27 when Matthew left Scotland might be harder to research for possible siblings' births (trying to get to who was J Fitzpatrick).
Stage at a time though....Hopefully the birth cert won't take too long to arrive.
Lots of good advice and help available to you from everyone here once you have this info :)
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I have another avenue to investigate about Matthew. As he was a Home Child, I have come across the embarkation papers from when he left Greenock on his voyage to Canada in 1927. The papers state he was at Coleshill, Birmingham and from what I can gather, that is a 'Father Hudson' site for waifs and strays. All part of the child migrant scheme. The plot thickens: what happened to the parents and siblings? I guess contacting Father Hudson's might reveal more information.
Thank you for all your help,
Dawn
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No Fitzpatricks showing on 1911 census index for Rutherglen which has a King Street
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I am not familiar with Father Hudson's but certainly contacting them regarding their archives may hopefully lead to admission papers or documents that might reveal more about those early years for Matthew.
I guess I am hoping that once you have his parents' names we may be able to work out some of what happened (parent(s) early deaths for example.
Wonder why he was in a Birmingham home rather that one of the Scottish home...?
All things to be worked out by the look of it.
Monica
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Hi Sancti
Hard to figure out which King Street is being referred to on that shipping manifest. Looking at the 1927 PO directory and the 1901 census, there looks to be a number of King Streets in the general Glasgow area.
Monica
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It is strange why he was sent aged 15 when he appears to have a brother living in Glasgow
Poor records in Mitchell library may hold more info
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Just been having a read on the history of Father Hudson's Society here www.fatherhudsons.org.uk/index.php?/site/Sochistory/ (gosh, I always get sad when I read this material :'().
From their site you have:
www.fatherhudsons.org.uk/index.php?/site/familyplacementsoriginscanadaandaustralia/services_for_former_child_migrants/
http://www.fatherhudsons.org.uk/index.php?/site/familyplacementsoriginscanadaandaustralia/providing_information_from_our_records_to_former_child_migrants/
Other links showing to the side of Adoption Support, Fostering & Origins tab.
Dawn, family Roman Catholic if this is where Matthew was sent to?
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I can only guess Matthew was Catholic, due to Father Hudson's organization and that when he arrived in Canada he was sent to St. George"s Home in Ottawa, Ontario which was Catholic, as well. On the LDS site, Family Search, some info to Matthew John Fitzpatrick's death certificate is on their site. It says he was born April 2, 1912 in Glasgow, Scotland and died Feb 12,1977 in Vancouver, B.C., Canada. I have ordered a copy of his death certificate from the B.C. Archives. I will be asking for an archive search from Father Hudson's , shortly. The identity of the brother from Glasgow is a puzzler. Also, why Birmingham?
Thank you,
Dawn
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Hi Dawn
Lots of questions certainly.
The birth cert will be likely the main start for you. Like you, not sure why Birmingham. Have sometimes seen children sent to homes in various places, although usually around Scotland.
Did see this yesterday www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=26352524 which fits with what you have as a death date for him.
Trying to work through on dates and ages and all that. Matthew left in 1927 aged 14, b. 1912. If he gave his brother as next of kin in the UK, you would think that he was older than him and living independently in Glasgow at the address given.
Gives some hope that once we know parents' names, you may be able to find them with some children/siblings to Matthew on the 1911 census.
Monica
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Dear monica L would you please help me to make contact with "spudmon" her grandfather Matthew is my grandfathers missing brother.(J Fitzpatrick)
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That is great that there is a connection :)
Dawn will automatically receive an email notification of your post here on the thread and will hopefully post back.
Monica
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Matthew, Grandma Pearl, and baby Donald John circa 1937.
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Did you find out who his parents were?
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Michael Fitzpatrick ( -1923 ) and Bridget ( McQuade ) Fitzpatrick ( -1923) were the parents of Matthew John Fitzpatrick.