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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: rosme on Saturday 25 February 12 17:49 GMT (UK)
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My 2x gtgrandfather was Patrick Lally, married to Mary Cosgrove, living at Garryredmond 1820s. There was also a family of Lallys, John Lally married to Margaret Walsh, living in Caraun.
Family oral history says the 2 families were related but I can't find a connection. Can anyone tell me if there are still Lallys living in Caraun?
I would be grateful for any information or suggestions as to where I could look.
Thanks Ros
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Hello and welcome to rootschat :)
You may want to take a look at Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
The Irish Census for 1901 and 1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
1820s is a very early period and you would be looking at Parish records, provided there were some. I am not sure either whether these would shows links between the families.
Here is another useful site http://mayo.rootsireland.ie/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=sources
If you are looking at modern times, you could try writing to the local church/ telephones (risky) /newspapers
best wishes
heywood
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Hi Ros,
I have a similar situation in my own family tree, an uncommon surname in a village, evidence that just the one man with this surname came to the village in the early 1800s from another area of Mayo (from Schools Folklore Collection), where the surname is common, but family oral tradition suggests that the families (only two) with the surname in the village today aren't related (though I think this is more to do with my family not wanting to be related to the other family).
From Griffiths Valuation, by 1856, there were two Lallys (both Patrick) in the parish of Kilcolman (parish for Garryredmond and Caraun) one in Caraun and one in Garryredmond. You can search Griffiths Valuation yourself for free online, just google it, and there's threads about it in the Ireland resources section.
The fact that the name was uncommon in this parish might suggest that John and Patrick were related. What sort of relationship is there supposed to be between the two families? If they were brothers then maybe looking at the names of their children might signify something. There was a pretty common naming tradition whereby the eldest son was named for the paternal grandfather, second son for the maternal grandfather and third son for the father. There was a similar tradition for daughters. If eldest sons and eldest/second eldest daughters names match up it would be a good indicator.
If you're in Ireland, a sometimes helpful source for the origins of families in an area is the Schools Folklore Collection, on microfilm in Mayo Co. Library, you can read about the collection on that website, but it depends on the material each school collected. I'm guessing you've already done some research with the usual sources if you have the couples names including wives maiden names.
I don't know if I'm allowed mention other websites but mayo-ireland.ie has discussion boards for local towns/villages in Mayo, the discussion boards are used a lot by people researching their family trees and it's a good website for more specific family/area/genealogy queries. I think Ballindine, Claremorris, Irishtown and Ballyhaunis would be the nearest towns to your villages, so it might be worth a shot leaving messages there about the Lallys, or even finding older posts there about them.
Good luck!
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Thankyou so much for your replies and suggestions.
I traced my family back to Garryredmond and visited in 2009. The farm is now owned by American descendants of the family but I met the next door neighbour, John Foy. He remembered a Jim Lally visiting the Lallys in the 1950s/60s and visiting Joe Lally in Irishtown and John said that they were all cousins. Joe is definitely part of my family.
My gtgrandfather Thomas Lally was born at Garryredmond in 1829 so it's possible that he and John were brothers and that the family originated in Garryredmond and a son moved to Caraun or vice versa. I've found some records for John's children in the Claremorris parish registers but the families were not godparents for each others children.
The only other information I have is that one of John's daughters married John Roach / Roche of Knockatober Caraun.
Your point about the names is well taken. I have 16 Patrick Lallys in my tree, then there's John, James Thomas and of course Mary.
Anyway thanks again
Ros
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Hi Ros,
My name is David Lally and my family lived in Caraun until 1998 - we were the last of the Lally's in the area.
We relocated to Claremorris town where all my siblings still live.
I'm surprised John Foy never mentioned us - he knows us quite well.
Feel free to get in touch if I can help further with your family tree.
Regards,
David
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Hi David
Wow your message was a surprise. John Foy never mentioned your family but we were only there for a short while. I assume you are interested in family history as you are a member of this forum. My gtgrandfather Thomas was born in Garryredmond in 1829 and moved to Shanballymore between 1855 and 1858. I have a lot of information from then on but so far very little about the earlier period. I know he had a sister who married Patrick Nestor and a brother Patrick who stayed in Garryredmond but I haven't been able to trace the Caraun connection.
I would be grateful for any information you could give me and would be more then happy to share any info I have with you.
Regards
Ros
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John Roche married Mary Lally in 1878. One of their daughters, Nora Roche is my grandmother who immigrated to Savannah, Ga along with several of her sisters. Do you know if any of the Roche family are still in the Claremorris area? I will be there this weekend and would like to know if I have any relatives who could fill us in on the Roche family. We know very little about what became of those in the family that remained in Ireland.
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Hello Ros
I have just joined Rootschat today after putting a search for Caraun and it came up with your post.
My family name is Lally and the family home was in Caruan, where I had a very happy childhood.
My grandfather was Patrick Lally and great grandfather John Lally both lived at Caraun.
I visited the South Mayo family research centre in Ballinrobe a couple of weeks ago and this morning received a booklet from them with details of who married who etc and names of children.
We were in Claremorris for a Lally family reunion and an anniversary mass for my brothers.I used to walk passed the lally house in Garryedmund on my way to school and knew Pat Lally also his son Shamus and daughter Maureen who emigrated to America. I know we were related to those Lallys but not sure how as yet. I am in the process of doing the family tree but have only just started. Please bear with me because I am a novice at this.I live in Lancashire. I will let you know how I progress.
Phil (Philomena)
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The townlands of Garryredmond and Caraun are to the east of Claremorris.
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/clanmorris/kilcolman/caraun/garryredmond/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/clanmorris/kilcolman/caraun/caraun/
KG
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My grandfather was Patrick Lally.....................lived at Caraun.
Is this the marriage of your grandfather in 1894 - his father John Lally?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10564/5848571.pdf
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Caraun/Caraun/723032/
KG
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John Roche married Mary Lally in 1878.
Party 1 Name JOHN ROCHE
Party 2 Name MARY LALLY
Date of Event 13 November 1878
Group Registration ID 2640399
SR District/Reg Area Claremorris
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11120/8070938.pdf
KG
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One of their daughters, Nora Roche is my grandmother.......
Name NORAH ROACHE
Date of Birth 1891
Group Registration ID 10309443
SR District/Reg Area Claremorris
#27
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02385/1889723.pdf
Born at Knockatubber (sic)
Knockatober townland, Kilcolman Civil Parish, Co. Mayo
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/clanmorris/kilcolman/caraun/knockatober/
Roche family - 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Caraun/Knockatober/1587094/
KG
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John Roche is a widower in the 1911 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Caraun/Knockatober/723137/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002991544/
Death of John Roche in 1917.
Informant is his son, Thomas Roche.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05200/4436698.pdf
KG
Edited to add: Can't find a death for his wife Mary (nee Lally) between 1901 and 1911.
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Hi,
I came across this thread when doing my family research. Patrick Lally born in Garryredmond in 1793 was my great great great grandfather. He married Mary Cosgrove (no other details) in Kilcolman Church on 2nd April 1818. I'd love to connect with other descendants to get some more information on the Lallys and Cosgroves. I'm assuming Mary Cosgrove was local to Garryredmond. Thanks in hopeful anticipation!
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Hi everyone
I took a break from family history and have just found all your fascinating messages.
To Cine - Patrick Lally and Mary Cosgrove were my 2 x great grandparents, so we are definitely related. Are you researching the Cosgroves or the Lallys?
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To Phylmayo
Hi relative
All I knew about the Lallys of Caraun was that John Foy told me of a cousin of Patrick's of Garryredmond called Jim and John's wife gave me a photo of Jim but I couldn't pin down the relationship. Maureen, Patrick's daughter who lived in America died and John Foy bought the Lally farm from her son so ended the Lally connection with Garryredmond. My great grandfather Thomas was born there but moved to Shanballymore co Galway sometime between 1855 and 1858 and I have lots of information on that branch if it's of interest to you.
I live in England but still have family in the area.
Look forward to hearing from you.
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To Kiltaglassan
Sorry I don't know about the Roches/Roaches but I'll ask my cousin next time I'm talking to her.
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To Kiltaglassan
Thankyou! You have supplied the piece of the jigsaw enabling me to sort out the confusion and make sense of the family line and introduced me to a new source of information I didn't know existed. Thankyou so much for your help
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Hi Rosme,
Sorry for the delay in replying. Like you, I took a break from the family tree research for a while. I have a lot of information on the Lallys from Garryredmond, not so much on the Cosgroves. Do you have any info on Mary Cosgrove or her family please? I'm planning on visiting Garryredmond soon.
Cine
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Hi Cine. I have just joined Rootschat after searching for the Lally family from Caraun. My great grandparents were John and Margaret Lally (nee Walsh). Their son, James, was my grandfather. He moved to Manchester at some point and married Sarah Jane Traynor in 1900 at St Joseph's Church in Manchester (the same church where I was married years later!). From reading all the posts on the Lally family of Caraun and Garryredmond, my grandfather must have had a few brothers and sisters. It would be great to know who they were and also whether I am related to any of those who have posted on Rootschat about the Lally family.
Many thanks, Rita