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Title: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Monday 27 February 12 15:21 GMT (UK)
I understood my Croxford relatives had a shop in Shude Hill...i,ve been to the site and it has a hotel on it...anybody any ideas as to what sort of shop it was?
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Barbara.H on Monday 27 February 12 16:04 GMT (UK)
1853 directory has Daniel Croxford, Smallware Dealer, 83 Shudehill.
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp


 :) Barbara
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Monday 27 February 12 16:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks Barbara...will look directory up...
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Post by: bursy on Monday 27 February 12 19:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Borderman,

As well as the one Barbara found, this one might be yours too.

1855 Directory

George Croxford
Smallware Dealer
1 City Place
Preston St.
Hulme

Regards, Dave
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Tuesday 28 February 12 11:54 GMT (UK)
Thanks Dave...that is new to me...
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Barbara.H on Tuesday 28 February 12 12:13 GMT (UK)
1841 census, Shudehill

Daniel Croxford, 40, smallware dealer
Eliz. Croxford, 35
Geo. Croxford, 9  :)
Saml.Croxford, 4


Daniel and Samuel are stil there in 1851. Daniel widowed by then.

 :) Barbara

Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Tuesday 28 February 12 12:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks Barbara...that info was really helpful...leads into the croxfords in Liverpool where they had a hatbox business in seel street...thanks again
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Chris C 22 on Tuesday 01 May 12 23:30 BST (UK)
Hi   I've just seen the run of messages on Daniel Croxford of Shude Hill.  He is an ancestor of mine also, his son George married Ellen Picker in Feb 1852 and their daughter Eliza Ellen married Joseph Pink of Liverpool.  George Croxford is on the 1841 census aged 9 but he was not at home on the 1851 census.  Ellen Picker was working for Daniel Croxford, her future father in law, in 1851 listed as an assistant.  She was the daughter of Frederick Picker, a travelling salesman, later a manufacturer, born in Helpringham, Lincolnshire in 1811.

Daniel Croxford was born in Wendover, Bucks, as seen on the 1851 census and I have the record of his baptism taken from the parish register.  The Croxfords are part of a long line of yeomen farmers and carpenters from Wendover.  I have a copy of the will of Daniel's grandfather George Croxford of Wendover, which is a lovely old town/village set at the foot of the Chiltern Hills.

I've long wanted to see where Daniel Croxford had his shop on Shude Hill and to know more about the Manchester side.

Chris (as in Christine)
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Tuesday 01 May 12 23:43 BST (UK)
Hi Chris....George Croxford,s daughter married my Grandfather..Samuel  at the time the Croxfords had a hatbox factory in Seel Street in Liverpool...family legend has it that Ellen ran away to marry Samuel..probably not true...i did go to look at the shop site in shude hill but alas it is now a hotel..why the Croxfords moved to Manchester i don't know..or why the move to Liverpool....


Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Chris C 22 on Wednesday 02 May 12 00:45 BST (UK)
Hi 
Daniel C was the youngest son of quite a large family and I presume he left home in Wendover and made the journey to Manchester on his own.  Times were hard in farming communities and he didn't stand a chance of inheriting the family home.  Manchester was a growing town and there would have been opportunities there but I remember reading that the Shude Hill area in the mid 19th century was an overcrowded, poor area and very run down.

Ellen Picker was only 16 when she married George Croxford although she put 21 on the marriage certificate - they were my gt gt grandparents.  Their daughter Eliza Ellen married Joseph John Pink on 20th Sept 1868 in Liverpool and Eliza Ellen's father, George, is listed as a hat box maker on that.

Who is the Ellen who ran away to marry your grandfather Samuel?  Did George and Eliza have a daughter Eliza Ellen and a daughter Ellen?

On the 1881 census for Bolton Joseph and Eliza Pink are living on Manor Street with their young family, including my grandfather John Pink then aged 5.  Also with them was Eliza's younger brother, George Crocford [sic] aged 13, born in Liverpool.

Eliza Ellen (Croxford) Pink died in Nottingham at the home of my grandparents on Christmas Day 1921.

Chris
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Barbara.H on Wednesday 02 May 12 09:42 BST (UK)
Bit more about Daniel Croxford of Shudehill from the Guardian newspaper archives:

Short piece mentions Daniel Croxford in relation to his right to be on the voting register. Dated 25 September 1841, it says he had been in the 'house and shop' at Shudehill for 6 months and also had possession of a warehouse in Fountain St

Another one 15 May 1847 - in a court case Mrs Croxford, smallware dealer of Shudehill, identifed some stolen beads as being from her shop

Earliest one I can seee is a classified ad, 23 Feb 1833; 'To be let, a large room with Power. For particulars apply to D. Croxford, 75 Fountain Street."

You probably know that Daniel died in 1853; small death notice appeared on 5th March 1853 announcing his death on 27th February. Elsewhere in the same day's paper an advert announced the sale of the stock in trade & goodwill of the Shudehill business.

 :) Barbara
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Post by: Chris C 22 on Wednesday 02 May 12 10:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Barbara and no I didn't have Daniel's death date or any of the info about the shop.  That's interesting about the warehouse.  Daniel had a small legacy in his grandfather's will so maybe that's what gave him the chance to leave home in Buckinghamshire and set up the small business.

It was only on a whim that I did a late night search for him yesterday, to see if there was anything new and that's proving so fruitful!

I love the fact that I have various ancestors who were traders and they all come together in Nottingham in the early 20th c where my paternal grandparents, Annie Ford and John Pink founded a firm of hosiery/drapery/household stores and all from a single market stall!

Daniel Croxford was baptised in 1798 in Wendover, so he didn't live to a great age but I guess living conditions weren't good in burgeoning towns at that period. Daniel and his wife Eliza nee Thomas had a very large family but mostly girls.

I'd like to know more about George and Ellen Croxford and the hat box business in Liverpool.  I live in Essex now but have a lot of Lancashire ancestors from both sides of my family.  I must do something about boarding my family history interests.

The Lincolnshire Picker side of the Croxford family of Liverpool is interesting.  Ellen Croxford's father Frederick Picker was the son of William Picker who was a mason/builder from the village of Helpringham and it's possible that the family were of Dutch/Netherlands origin.

Thanks again   Chris
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Wednesday 02 May 12 14:21 BST (UK)
CHRIS C 22...my apologies ...it should of course be frederick george croxford...married ellen scott in 1879....specsavers here i come...i have a picture of ellen croxford/scott...terrible copy but i think she looks very "scottish" not surprising as her ancestry comes in part from bewcastle in the borders and probably originally from newcastleton in scotland...
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Chris C 22 on Wednesday 02 May 12 15:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Borderman
I'd got Frederick George's birth but not his marriage.  Suddenly, just from one post last night I'm getting all sorts of info and beginning to put things in better order re the Croxfords in Lancs.

Do you need any info on the Picker side, such as in Lincolnshire?  I don't have much, but it's better than nothing.  Strangely, without any knowledge of our ancestry there at the time, my son bought a house two villages away from Helpringham and still lives there - in Heckington.

Do you know anything about the Thomas side of the family, as in Eliza Thomas who married Daniel Croxford in Manchester in 1830?

I know Cumbria well, I lived there for many years, first in the south and latterly in Uldale in the Northern Fells, near Caldbeck.  And through my married side my (adult) kids have a strong link to the Borders i.e. Lanercost, Brampton, Stapleton and Arthuret. I love it around there, so wild and unruly, particularly Bewcastle.  There's a now lost farmhouse just north of Lanercost, in Kingwater, that was known as [W]Ryegarth where several generations of our side of the Little Clan lived and the Craghills were all over the region as well, such as Hardhirst in between Kircambeck and Lanercost.  I'm actually a regional historian and have done some work on the Border Reivers.

Thanks again

Chris C
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Wednesday 02 May 12 23:55 BST (UK)
CHRIS C22    MY ANCESTORS HAD A HOUSE NEAR BEWCASTLE WHICH STILL STANDS;SAUGHTREES...I'VE LOOKED BACK TO FREDERICK PICKER M ELLEN CRASTON   AND EDWARD CRASTON M ELLEN HASSLEHURST...THEN TO THOMAS HASSLEHURST...
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Chris C 22 on Thursday 03 May 12 11:49 BST (UK)
Borderman   I have the Picker/Craston connection leading back to Hasslehurst but did not have Thomas Hasslehurst.  Do you have anymore on the Hasslehursts?  Also do you have anymore on the Thomas line - I'm presuming that eventually goes into Wales?

Frederick Picker, son of William Picker (mason) and Mary Moulds was baptised April 23rd 1810 (Helpringham PRs).  Mary Moulds was the second wife of William Picker, his first wife Anna Maria Wimpress died in Oct 1803.  Confusingly there were two William Pickers in Helpringham at the same time - one a farmer and one a mason - ours was the mason and I think he died, aged 78, in 1839 with burial date Oct 28th.  So, birth date c 1761 - not found yet but relevant PRs are not very legible and it is possible that the name could have been written as Pickerd at one time.

Mary Moulds daughter of Thomas Moulds (ag. lab.) and Elizabeth ? was baptised in Swaton parish church May 23rd 1782 (Swaton PRs).  Swaton is the next village to Helpringham.  I can't get any further back with the Moulds line but it is possible that Thomas was from Northants.

Daniel Croxford was the son of John and Margaret Croxford of Wendover and he was baptised on Aug 25th 1799 (Wendover PRs) - I was out by a year before.  John Croxford (bapt Oct 28th 1762. Wendover PRs) was the son of George and Mary Croxford of Wendover.  I also have the IGI printout for the Croxford name in Bucks and they were largely Wendover parish.  Not been able to find an ancestral home - yet!  Daniel Croxford is not on the IGI but definitely in the actual parish register.

Chris C 22
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Thursday 03 May 12 23:36 BST (UK)
CHRIS C 22    WILL DIGEST THE INFO AND WILL BE BACK
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Friday 04 May 12 16:12 BST (UK)
Chris c22....thanks for info..i have ellen hasslehurst born in Winwick Lancashire 18.10.1772. On the Croxfords i have 6 children born to John/Margaret  ..John 1793  William 1795 Kenneth 1797 Daniel 1799 Mary 1806...parents i think may be...George b 7/3/1735 Mary Vere ..their parents probably Christopher Croxford b 16/5/1695 and Jane.  On Daniel Croxford and Elizabeth Thomas i have 8 children..george  henry  samuel  helen  margaret  sarah  elizabeth and clara  for some reason i have an elizabeth b 1852 and emily b 1848..don't know where i got that from...i was quite interested in the Vere family...i think they were early MP's...i also have a note that says George Croxford had 3 children...Alice b 1855  William b 1859 and Frederick b 1856...i should have said George Croxford married Jane Ann Scott in 1879...it was their daughter Ellen that was my Grandmother...
Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: Chris C 22 on Friday 04 May 12 18:00 BST (UK)
Borderman  Yes, I too have the Croxford lineage in Wendover and agree with you about Mary Vere.

For Daniel and Eliza I have ten children, which includes the two extra you mention along with Harriet Ann b 1833 after George and Eliza Emma b 1843 after Sarah Jane - all of which sent to me from another Croxford researcher some years ago.

For George and Ellen (Picker) Croxford (m 1852) I have four children, Alice b. 1855, Frederick G b. 1856, ELIZA ELLEN b. ? married JOSEPH PINK (my gt grandparents) and Alfred b. 1879.

I came across something yesterday that set me thinking.  I found a marriage of Daniel Croxford to Ellizabeth Delaney on Jan 27th 1829 at St Phillip's Church, BIRMINGHAM, which is only a hop, skip and a jump from Wendover!

I know it could easily be another Daniel Croxford but just suppose that he left Wendover initially to go to Birmingham and met and married Elizabeth Delaney.  Sadly, Elizabeth dies sometime before December 1830 and Daniel, for whatever reason, travels further north to Manchester and meets Eliza Thomas and they marry on 30th Dec 1830!

If the marriage register for Manchester Cathedral has Daniel Croxford widower written, there might be something in it - but then again I could be way off the mark!

I think the line of George's wife, Eliza Thomas, will be very difficult to follow unless we have some luck.

Chris C 22

Title: Re: croxford shop in shude hill manchester
Post by: borderman on Sunday 13 May 12 11:23 BST (UK)
CHRIS C22; BROWSING AROUND I CAME ACROOS THE FOLLOWING;CAROLINE CROXFORD..SAMUEL SIMPSON CROXFORD A YARN AGENT..DOUBLER..COMMISSION AGENT..FROM THE LONDON GAZETTE 1874..ALSO MARGARET RUTH CROXFORD SAILED ON SS VALETTA OCT 1884 TO MELBOURNE AND THEN SYDNEY;ALSO MARGARET RUTH CROXFORD OPERATING A LADIES LUNCHEON CLUB IN STRETFORD CALLED CROXFORD AND ROWE...A NEW NAME APPEARED..ELIZABETH ABODE? UNLESS ABODE HAS BEEN MISUSED..
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Post by: Simon62 on Tuesday 25 October 22 11:14 BST (UK)
Hello Borderman and Chris C,

I'm descended from Craston (my grandmother Helena Craston) and have Picker, Holden, Croxford, Pink in the Craston/Hasslehurst cousin line. Chris C I think we are 7th cousins.

Simon