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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: kaziah on Wednesday 29 February 12 01:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm doing my sons family history. We know that his Gt Gt Grandmother was Mary Ann Smith bn 1871 in a gypsy caraven. Her parents were John smith bn 1834 and Maria ? bn 1837.
I have found them on 1871 & 1881 census.
1871 their children are listed as
Cinymentia Smith bn 1857
William Smith bn 1865
George Smith bn 1868
Selina Smith bn 1866
Mary Ann Smith bn 1871
by 1881 they had also had
Florrie Smith bn 1876
Kesiah Smith bn 1874
Joseph Smith bn 1878
in 1881 they are next to a Spiver family who look connected.
There is also a Selina Smith bn 1832 with 5 children near them on the 1871 census who looks related.
Next to them is an Everitt Plumb with a Keziah Smith and what looks like their 5 children.
Does anyone have any other information on this family??? Or any pointer on where I can look? Any help gratefully recieved.
Kazi
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Welcome to the site Kaziah, although your Smith family travelled round the Nottingham area , you will get more info from the Travling folk board .Ive come across the Smith family when looking for mine on ancestry ..Heres the link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,387.0.html
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Hi, anyone who's reading this...
I'm still plodding away on this. I think there is a definite link with the Booth / Plumb family.
Everett Plumb bn 1833 Notts
Everett Plumb also used the name Everett Booth bn 1864
His sister Mary Ann Plum /Booth / Smith bn 1860 Notts who used all 3 surnames.
Have sent off for some books on Gypsy family history and customs and found some good website - BUT if anyone has any pointers I'd be more than grateful.
My main interest is in Mary Ann Smith bn 1869/70 Arnold/Ilkeston ? who ended up living with George Slater a salt Hawker in Derby till she died... I have yet to find the death.
Kazi
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I was brought up to believe my ancesters on my grandmother's side of the family were gypies.....I have been seaching for years with no luck...I came on this site yesterday for help regarding my Great grandfather and it has led me back to the Plumb name from Nottingham....did a search and it has brought me to this page and I see the word Gypsy!!
I have a Joseph Elk (Elk being the name I have searched for ages being connected to gypsies with no luck)
Find out Joseph married a Plumb.....search Plumb and hey presto!!!
Can anyone give me info on the Plumbs
Joseph married Sarah Plumb in 1885 in Nottingham
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Hi Swampinstein,
Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb married 10 Jan 1825 St Peters Church Radford not 1885 as you say in your post.
There are quite a few Plumb family's in Nottinghamshire so you would need a bit more info. I've been doing some Plumbs from Lambley.
Nottsgirl1
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The Plumbs I have are from Lambley too...
Still convinced they are interconnected with our family...
Kazi
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Hi Kaziah,
I've the desendents of Samuel Plumb born abt 1783 and Mary Green born abt 1781 both Lambley. samuel then married Mary's sister Elizabeth Green aft Mary died in 1832.
There was a Everet Plumb christened on 4 April 1836 son of Nathan and Ann Plumb.
You say he also used the name Everett Booth born 1864, why would he say he was born 1864 and 1833/36 making him 30yrs younger than he was??
If there is anything you would like me to look for in Nottingham Archives please let me know.
Nottsgirl1
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sorry..yes 1825...my typo mistake...lol
That is all the info I have other than they had a daughter Harriatt.
I need to find out more on the plumb family.
I was starting to think the gypsy connection was all wrong even though my late father always mentioned it and also recently a cousin said her mum mentioned it too...But after searching for years and finding nothing I thought maybe they had gotten it wrong and I was searching for a red herring.
Then I found the Plumb connection and this led me to this page and I couldn't believe it when gypsies were mentioned. So they could have been right after all. I was just searching in the wrong places.
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Do any of you know where there was gypsy camps (not sure if that is what you call them) in Nottingham.
The decendants of this family ended up in Kent and I know there was a big community there.
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Hi,
I've not done anything on Gypsies so dont know the answer.
I have found Everett Plumb on the 1881 census living at 49 Deptford St Bulwell,
with him is wife Kesiah born abt 1839 Eaton, Leicestershire
Children:
Selina born 1859 Eaton
Everett born 1864 Gotham Nottingham
Henry born 1868 Gateby Leicestershire
Kesiah born 1870 Bagworth Leicestershire
Flora born 1875 Bulwell Nottingham
Lora born 1876 Derbyshire
John James born 1878 Gunthorpe Nottinghamshire
Sophia born 1881 Syerston
also with them as boarders are
Mary Ann Plumb born 1860 Nottingham
Everett Plumb born 1881 Bulwell.
Christenings John James Plumb 28 April 1878 at Lowdham
and Ann Selina 14 Oct 1860 Bingham Church (surname down as plum)
both childrfen of Everett and Kesiah
death of Everett was Sept Qtr 1888 Nottingham aged 56yrs.
Nottsgirl1
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Hi again,
Yes this is the same family I'm looking at - I'll have a look at my file tomorrow and come back...
I feel sure that Keziah Booth is connected in someway to the Smith Gypsy family who is encamped with them/beside them during the 1871 census - Keziah is as a Booth and the rest of the family as Plumb's.
I'll post again later when I can get my info together.
Kaziah
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Hi - Back again,
This is all I know about the Booth gypsy connection...
1871 census
Radford, Sneinton, Land Society's field caravan, nottinghamshire
In first van
John Smith bn 1834 - his 2 co wives and all their children
next Van
Everitt Plumb bn 1833 Head 38 bn Nottinghamshire
Keziah Booth bn 1839 Boarder 32 Bn Leicestershire
James Plumb bn 1866 Son 5 Bn "
Henry Plumb bn 1868 son 3 bn "
Keziah Plumb bn 1871 daug 0 bn "
Everett Plumb bn 1864 son 7 bn Notts
Amelia Plumb bn 1860 daug 11 bn Leic
Everett Plumbs bn 1833 - his parents were
Nathan Plumb bn 1797 - 1885 Lambley and
Ann Cook bn 1806 - 1870 Gunthorpe Notts
One of their other daughters and Everett's sister was a Violetta Plumb bn 1833
who married in 1852 2Q Nottingham a William Caunt. Someone has a lot of their family history on line. They ended up living in Grantham.
Not sure if this helps you...
What I have learnt by reading books is that when looking for Gypsy relatives you have to forget how the non-gypsy folk use their names in a set way. Travelling folk interchange the surname - use mothers maiden name, or an alias - and change their first name from time to time as well - also they didn't always marry in the way we would call marry - so there is no legal trace - it's wonderful!!! But most often there is a christening somewhere - you just have to find it.
I really need to make the connection with the Smiths and Keziah Booth...
Kazi
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Thank you for that ;D
all I have to do now is try to connect my Plumb with those.
you mentioned vans at Radford and Sneinton....my relatives were born there so that ties in with what I know so far
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Hi Kaziah,
Have you thought about getting one of the children's of Everett and Keziah birth certificate to see what "maiden" name is down for Keziah.
We know of Ann Selina Plumb (Selina on 1881 census and Amelina on 1871 census) birth reg Melton Mowbray Sept Qtr 1859 Vol 7a Pg 223.
Nottsgirl1
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I'm thinking maybe my Sarah Plumb was Nathan Plumb's sister......i'll keep digging
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just saw on FS site that
Keziah Plumb bn 1871 was born Bagwoth Leicester
That's where My father was born
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Nathan Plumb was christened Lambley on 8 Nov 1799 son of William & Ann
Sarah Plumb christened Lambley on 6 May 1798 daughter of William & Ann.
I will check Sarah's marriage when i'm in the archives this week to see who the witnesses were..
Nottsgirl1
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:o could you look up
Samual elks and Sarah Plumb's marriage if possible please x
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::) sorry it's
Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb
I have samuels on the brain...lol
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No problem, its easy to get names mixed up I do it all the time.
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I have found a joseph Elks b:1802 Alton Stafford
The date looks around the same time my Joseph Elks would have been born...wonder if this is him?
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Could be, have you found him on any census to see where be put as place of birth.
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No, but with help from someone on his site they have found
Paul Elks b:1801 and a Thomas Elks who died 1836 Sneinton Notts and also a Hannah Elks who died 1834 Radford who we believe could be the brother and parents of Joseph.....Don't know where they were born though.
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Hi Swampinstein,
Burials that I've found on my burial disc are
Hannah Elks of Radford aged 74yrs at St Peter's Church Radford on 20 June 1834
Mary Elks of Radford aged 48yrs at St Peters Church Radford on 20 July 1842
Sarah Elks of Henry Street Sneinton aged 59yrs at St Stephen's Church Sneinton on 13 Dec 1857, this is Joseph wife.
Have not found a Thomas Elks.
On 1851 census Sarah is a widow living on Henry St, with daughter Harriett Elks born 1826 and granddaughter Harriett Elks born 1848.
Harriet Elk daughter of Joseph and Sarah christened 4 Dec 1825 Lenton Church
Harriet married John Haysom St Stephens Church Sneinton on 4 Jan 1858,
Maybe the Elks name could also be spelt as Ellis or Else too.
Wendy
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;) Thank you so much xxxxx
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Found Thomas:
Thomas ELKES of Sneinton aged 74yrs buried 20 April 1836 at St Peter's Church Radford.
Cannot find a burial for Joseph yet.
Well not much more I can do now until I go to the archives and look up the marriages.
Nottsgirl1
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Thank's Nottsgirl....you are so helpful and I really appreciate all your help ;)
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Hi,
Whats the burial disk - where can I buy one???
Kazi
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Hi Kazi,
How are you? The discs are index discs of burial records for Nottinghamshire Churchs it not complete. It tells you whats on the parish record of burials, there is also one for marriages that gives church date and name of the couple marry and one for christenings.
You can buy them from Nottinghamshire Family History Society they cost £20 each or you can buy the pack of three for £50 plus P&P.
I have all three so if there is anything you would like me to look up please just ask.
I have found a number of newspaper reports on Petty Sessions for Everett Plumb
do you know of those?
Nottsgirl1
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Kaziah mentioned Everett...I as of yet have got to connect him with my Sarah Plumb
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If you read back through the pages of this thread you will see the christening for Everett Plumb son of Nathan also that you said you thought that Sarah was Nathan's sister again when you go back you will find their christenings too, this making Sarah Everett's aunt.
Since I gave you all that info earlier I found out that you already had it all !!!
Nottsgirl1
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Ohhhh
Would love to find out more on the petty session on Everett Plumb...
How can I do that???
Kazi
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30 June 1885 in Leicester he was was charged with cruelty to a horse at Belgrave :o
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Also in 1885 he was drunk and disorderly
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you can find him here.....you read a small bit for free but if you want the whole article you have to pay.....I used this site a few months back looking for other relatives and it cost me £6.95 for about 100 page views.
http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=everett%20plumb&anysearch=everett%20plumb&frontpage=false&newspapertitle=leicester%2bchronicle
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I found a bit on Harriett Elks......for stealing :o
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Hi,
If you are in England and have a library card you can get the reports for free on Library websites links if you cannot do that I can and can down load them for you and email them to you.
On the Library site you will need to click on 24/7 services then read online newpapers and magazines 24/7 GO and then go down the page to here to click here to access 19thCentury British newspapers, its in red letters. Then put in your library card number in and then you can search for Evereitt Plumb also search Everitt Plumb, Everett Booth and Everitt Booth.
Like I say if you cannot do it I'll do so and email them to you. Good luck
Nottsgirl1
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1881 Census Hawkers born Nottinghamshire: - Romany/Gypsy ...romanyconnections.wetpaint.com/.../1881+Census+Hawkers+born+ ...Cached
You +1'd this publicly. Undo
12 Jan 2011 – 1881 Census Hawker born Nottinghamshire. ... Everett Plumb Everett, Kesiah, Bc 1864 Gotham, Nottinghamshire, England Son Bulwell, ...
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Going to dig my library card out.... :o I didn't know that!
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??? I can't find 24/7 services on my site
http://www.leics.gov.uk/libraries
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My library is county and can't find much on there, i've just joined online to the City Libaries....going to try to pick up my card later, they have a newsbank on there.
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Hi,
Many thanks for the Everett Plumb info... and all your pointers. I do feel like I bumble around in the dark a little.
I will have to have a look at the library - I live in West Yorkshire.
Kaziah
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Its OK Kaziah we all do that from time to time. If you dont have any luck with the Librarys too let me know and I will down load the reports for you.
Wendy
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Hi swampinstein,
I'm so so sorry, I've had a look at the leicestershire library web sites and it looks like they dont have the 24/7 services how annoying.
i'm sos sorry I thought it would be all librarys so maybe its just Nottingham's.
If there is anything you would like me to look for I'm willing to do that they onlygo up to 1900.
Again I'm so sorry :( :(
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I'm going to pick up a library card for the city Library in a bit....they do have a newsbank.....Searchable archive of UK national and regional newspapers. So I'm hoping that is the same thing you meant....I'll let you know
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Hi Kaziah,
Which city are you in, it seems that all Library's has the service set up in different ways.
Nottsgirls
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Hi swampinstein,
right had another look at the library for you and heres the link for you when you have got your card
http://infotrac.galegroup.com/galenet/lei_city?cause=http%3A%2F%2Ffind.galegroup.com%2Fttda%2Fstart.do%3FprodId%3DTTDA%26userGroupName%3Dlei_city%26finalAuth%3Dtrue&cont=&sev=temp&type=session&sserv=no
Nottsgirl1
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??? I got my card, went on the Link you gave me and all I can find on there is the Times Newspaper
Went on the Newsbank and all I can find on there is newspaers back till2004
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Hi,
I'm so sorry about that I don't understand why it didn't work for you as it comes up with the same page as the one i go on only my says Nottingham libraries where yours says Leicester but they should go to the same site.
I'm so so sorry to have let you down :( :(
Nottsgirl1
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Noooooooooooo, don't be sorry......maybe i'm doing something wrong....besides it was worth a try....plus while I was at the library I borrowed loads of books on Leicester, so it wasn't a wasted journey. :D
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Hi swampinstein,
No you wasn't doing anything wrong it just that the Leicester Library doesn't have the same coverage as Nottingham, I tried it with my Nottingham card and got the same as you but it wouldn't work on the Newsbank one.
So I was wondering if your card number would work on the Nottingham site give it a try anyway worth a go here's the link:
http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itweb/notcilib?db=BNCN
Kaziah have you had any luck with yours.
Nottsgirl1
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Tried it and it didn't work....nevermind....it was worth a shot
xxxxx
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Just tried my County card too and that didn't work either
Leicester Libraries suck!....hahaha!!
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Hi Swampinstein,
I've checked the marriage of Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb 10 Jan 1825 St Peter's Church Radford by banns witnesses were Joseph Hookers and James Mather.
So marraige no help.
I'm going to do some checking on her silblings maybe she was a witness on one of their marriages.
Nottsgirl1
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;) Thank you xx
Wonder who those witnesses were
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I've found a Joseph Plumb buried 22 Oct 1860 Greenwich Kent........wonder if he was related to Harriett Elks in some way, seeing has she was in greenwich kent.
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:o seems a lot of Plumbs in Kent
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think I may have put some of this together now... ::)
I have a Samuel Plumb who married Elizabeth Foster
They had a son William who married (1) Mary lane and they had 3 children
Samuel, william, Mary
Mary Lane died and William then married Anne Selby and together they had children
Sarah b:1798 (which fits my Sarah) Nathan b:1799 Henry b:1802 Susannah b:1804 Harriet b:1808 (which would fit with sarah calling her daughter Hariett) Didania b:1812 and Absalom b:1805
The last two names do sound gypsy
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Hi,
This is the same family that I have... Nathan Plumb bn 1797/1802 Lambley Notts being Everett Plumb's father. Still trying to work out how the Booth and Smith's are related though??
Kazi
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in one of the newspaper archives it said...Everett plumb alias Booth....or Everett booth alias Plumb...can't remember which way around
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think I may have found your Smith/booth connection or one of them :o
emily/Emma SMITH , Pedlar was born in 1835 in Harby, Leicestershire and was christened on 4 Jan 1835 in Harby, Leicestershire
emily/Emma married Henry BOOTH , Chairbottomer, son of Unknown and Unknown. Henry was born in 1833 in Old Dalby, Leicesterahire
Nathaniel BOOTH was born in 1861 in Thurleston, Leicestershire
Nathaniel married Ad/Eliza SMITH in 1883 in Oakham, daughter of Naptali SMITH , Hawker
and Wyramenta/Ryerdunty/Byenty SMITH , licensed Hawker. Ad/Eliza was born in 1864 in Melton Mowbray
Keziah BOOTH was born in Oakham. (could this be Kaziah Booth who married Everett Plumb??
I was searching for Absalam Plumb to see what I could come up with regarding Sarah Plumb and found this Smith site....looking down it and found the Smith/Booth connection
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kjn1961/Smith/document%20for%20publication/ABSOLAM%20SMITH.pdf
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Hi,
It was Everett Booth - alias Plumb 1887 29th July Notts Guardian
Charged with stealing a Mare - aged 24 - (so this is the son of Everett Plumb the elder and Kesiah Booth)
a Hawker was indicted for stealing a bay mare the property of Robert Watling of East Stoke on 4th May 1887 - Jury found him not guilty - he was discharged.
Off to Derby records office - I only get 2 days a month I can go off like this and its always a Friday - so I'll have to plan a trip to Leicester records office on a day other Friday as their closed then...
Kaziah
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Oooh... Back again,
Just seen yr post from before,
Yes - this is our Smith Family for sure... But I can't find out more about Kesiah Booth bn 1839 Easton Leic - I have a feeling that one - or Both of John Smiths co-wives Caroline/Selinabn 1832/3 Freeby/Frisby Leic (did give surname Speiver in 1881 and Maria bn 1835/7 Scalford Leic) were also related to Kesiah...
Maybe I need to concentrate on the Booth lines and bring them forward in more detail...
Wyrementa Smith was John Smith's (bn 1833) sister - husband of the co-wives Carolina & Maria - Lordy, I hope you've followed all of that!!!
Kazi
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Hi,
Just a quick note to let you know I'm in Nottingham Archives and doing follow ups on Sarah's and Nathan siblings will get back to you when I've put it all together.
Nottsgirl1
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;) Great thank you xx
I found some..but not sure if they are correct, so whatever you come up with will be great. It may confirm or dis-prove what I have found on the net
I wonder if Sarah plumb and joseph elks had anymore children other than Harriett
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:o I found a convict Plumb who was sent to Tasmania in 1823. Grandson of Samuel Plumb (1727) Lambley and Elizabeth Foster.
He was sent there in 1823 (not sure what for yet) when he was there he got mixed up with a bush ranger and was shot in the chin and jaw and died several days later....buried Hobart 1826
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:o :o John Plumb was an Highway Man :o
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Flippin 'eck...
It's like a Carry On film!!!
I'll have a look about - its all wonderful.
Where did you find out the info on the one sent Australia?? and the highway man??
Kazi
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The one sent to Aus, was the highway man.....he got the death sentence that was reprieved and sent to Tasmania....went on the Trove aussie newspaper archive site to find out more because that is free to look at whole articles and found the bit about him absconding with some bandits/murders and then about the shoot out with him getting shot........I didn't know he was an highwayman so went and asked on the notts board to see if anyone could find out....and some people on there helped me find what he was convicted off.
Sarah Elks(nee Plumb) it's her uncle's son who is the highwayman
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this is the post I did and the replies
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,593585.0.html
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Hi,
I'll have a look at the court records next time I'm in the archives.
Nottsgirl1
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Hi,
Here's some of what I found yesterday, will be back later with more:
William Plumb of Lambley married Mary Lane of Bulcote on 6 June 1789 at Burton Joyce Church. Witnesses were Joseph Plumb and George Hickling.
Children christenings were:
Samuel 10 Jan 1790
William 25 Dec 1971
Mary 21 July 1893
William then married Ann Selby on 12 Dec 1795 at Lambley Church (could not read witnesses names as very faint).
Children:
Jane 20 Dec 1796
Sarah 6 May 1798
Nathan 8 Nov 1799
Henry 31 Jan 1802
Susannah 15 Jan 1804
Absalom 29 Dec 1805
Harriet 24 Jan 1808
Eli 26 Nov 1809
Have yet to find Burial for William’s first wife Mary between 1893 and Dec 1795
William died 15 Jan 1815 burial 17 Jan 1815 aged 49yrs. I need to recheck this as I thought his Will said he died 1814.
Ann second wife of William died 5 Dec 1846 buried 13 Dec 1846 aged 74yrs.
William was christened on 6 June 1766 son of Samuel and Elizabeth Plumb.
Ann was christened 21 may 1772 daughter of Henry & Eleanor Selby.
Jane Plumb born 1796 married Robert Plumb with consent of Parents at Lambley on 18 July 1815 witnesses Joseph Wilson (ChurchWarden) and William Plumb.
Robert was christened on 4 Oct 1795 son of John & Mary Plumb.
Children of Robert & Jane:
Hiram (son) 26 May 1816
Hannah 7 Feb 1819 burial 1 Dec 1822 aged 3yrs
William 3 Feb 1822
Sylivah (Daughter) 18 Jan 1824
There was also a Hannah christened on 5 Aug 1827 on my discs says Robert and Ann but I think this should have been Jane, this Hannah was buried on 22 June 1828 aged 10 months (will recheck this)
Emma 4 Oct 1829
Charles 31 Oct 1831
Census for Jane are:
1841: Lenton HO107, Piece 858, Folio 40, Pg 30
Robert 45yrs, Jane 40yrs, Sylvia 15yrs and Charles 9yrs
1851: Smalley, Derbyshire, HO107, Piece 2144, Folio 359, Pg 2
Robert 52yrs, Jane 54yrs, Charles Smith 25yrs (son in law) Selvia Smith 26yrs (Daughter)
1861: Codnor and Loscoe, Derbyshire, RG9, Piece 2431, Folio 21, Pg 15
Jane 62yrs, Nathan 59yrs (brother)
1871: Codnor & Loscoe, RG10, Piece 3476, Folio 71, Pg 29
Jane 74yrs, Nathan 71 yrs, Silester Smith 47yrs (Daughter) Charles Smith 47yrs, Hiram Smith 18yrs, Charles Smith 6yrs.
1881: Codnor & Loscoe, RG11, Piece 3320, Folio 69, Pg 9.
Jane 84yrs, Charles Smith 55yrs, Syliva 56yrs, Charles 16yrs, Hiram Smith 27yrs, Ann Smith 29yrs, Annie Smith 4yrs, Jane Smith 1yr.
Nottsgirl1
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Sorry forgot to put that Robert Plumb died 4 Aug 1858 at Shipley Common aged 62yrs Death Notice in Derby Mercury Paper. Buried Lambley on 8 Aug 1858.
Jane Plumb died March qtr 1883.
Nottsgirl1
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Thank you so much, you have worked hard ;)
I'll copy it all down later....feeling sick as a dog today with a bug
Jane x
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hope you are feeling better soon Jane.
Here's some more for when you do.
Nathan Plumb born 1799 married Elizabeth Martin 7 ??? 1823 (no month down on record but sometime between June and December) witnesses were Edward Bowbotham and Joseph Wilson
Elizabeth was buried 19 Aug 1825 at Lambley aged 35yrs
Children were:
Dedimiah 12 Oct 1823
Nathan then married Ann Cook at St Mary’s Arnold on 4 Dec 1825 witnesses were Joseph Solans? ( hard to read) and Elizabeth Cook.
Children were:
Henry 13 Nov 1828 Lambley
Eveitt 4 Aug 1836 Lambley
Violetta 2 Feb 1832 St Marys Nottingham (thers’s also a Violetta Plum daughter of Nathan and Ann Plum at Basford Church on 30 June 1833)
Census:
1841: Nottingham HO107, Piece 869, Folio 39, Pg 26
Nathan 42yrs, Ann 35yrs, Dedemiah 16yrs, George 14yrs, Henry 12yrs, Violet 8yrs, Everet 5yrs, Samuel 2yrs.
1851: Nottingham HO107, Piece 2132, Folio 95, Pg 33 on his own (will look for wife and children next time I’m at the archives)
1861 & 1871 with sister Jane see above post.
1881: 13 Middlemore Yad Grantham, Lincolnshire, RG11, Piece 2321, Folio 106, Pg 26,
William caunt 57yrs, Violetta Caunt 48yrs, Lucy Caunt 21yrs, George Caunt 18yrs, Ellen Caunt 13yrs, Charlotte Caunt 0, Nathan Plunil (Plumb) 83yrs, Eliza Jenkinson 30yrs, William Jenkinson 7yrs, John Jenkinson 5yrs, Henry Jeknison 3yrs, Amelia Jenkinson1yrs. (Jenkinson family down as boarders).
Nathan died Sept Qtr 1885 Grantham.
Well my fingers are getting tried now so will do some more tomorrow.
all the best.
Nottsgirl1
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Thanks Nottsgirl, all your help is much apprieciated....you are a star!!!
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Hi,
Here's the next one:
Henry Plumb 1802 married Sarah Plumb 13 Feb 1831 at Lambley Church witnesses were Jonathan Parr & Eliza Cooper.
Childrens christenings:
Ephraim 9 Oct 1831 Lambley
Diana 15 Sept 1833
Census:
1841: Lambley, HO107, Piece 866, Folio 28, Pg 21
Henry aged 40yrs, Sarah 40yrs, Ephrim 9yrs, Diana 7yrs, Eliza 7yrs (maybe daughter of Absalom), Ann 70yrs mother.
1851: Lambley, HO107, Piece 2128, Folio 251, Pg 4
Henry aged 48yrs, Sarah 53yrs, Ephriam 19yrs, Diana 17yrs, Joseph Cawthorpe 50yrs.
1871: Lambley, Rg9, Piece 3494, Folio 37, Pg 13
Henry aged 69yrs (down as father in law) Charles Tagg 38yrs, Dianah Tagg 38yrs, Epheram Tagg 14yrs, George Tagg 10yrs, Charles Tagg 8yrs, Sarah Tagg 3yrs, Hannah Tagg 5 mths, William Atkin 42yrs.
1881: Whybourne Street, Hucknall Torkard, RG11, Piece 3334, Folio 21, Pg 35,
Henry 80yrs (Father in Law), Charles Tagg 48yrs, Diana Tagg 47yrs, Sarah Tagg 20yrs, George Tagg 18yrs, Hannah Tagg 13yrs, Charles Tagg 10yrs, Charlotte Tagg 7yrs
Sarah Plumb wife of Henry died 19 July 1870 aged 76yrs at Lambley buried Lambley Church Yard 21 July 1870.
Henry died Feb1889 in Hucknall buried 13 Feb 1889 Hucknall Cemetery aged 88yrs a Milkman of 33 Whybourne Street.
Nottsgirl1
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it says henry plumb married sarah Plumb......... :o hope he didn't marry his sister coz if he did my tree is a mess...hahaha..it is his sister sarah I have that married joesph elks.
I'm hoping he married a sarah cooper...seeing as there was a copper witness. ::)
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Hi,
No definitely Sarah Plumb she was born 1794 daughter of Josh. ( short for Joseph) and Martha Plumb she was christened on 23 Feb 1794 at Lambley but they could have been cousins.
Joseph Plumb and Martha Brammer married at Gedling Chruch on 25 Dec 1777.
Nottsgirl1
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Hi Nottsgirl,
You do wonderful work... I'm always amazed!
I shall write this all down later. They didn't like to go too far to look for their wives/partner.
Had a quiet weekend as my son (he has special needs) was not with me - which hardly ever happens, but will search again this week for my connections.
Kazi
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Hi here some more hope you are taking notes ;D
Missing census for Henry Plumb 1861 Lambley RG9 Piece 2444, Folio 55, Pg 11
Henry aged 60yrs, Sarah 68 yrs, Charles tag 28yrs Diana Tagg 27yrs, Ephrim Tagg 4yrs, S Briggett Tagg 8mths, Thomas Hatherley 69yrs, Arthur Kirk 40yrs
Absalom Plumb 1805 married Mary Boot at Lambley Church on 11 May 1830. Witnesses were Joseph ???? (unable to make it out) and Joseph Wilson
Children’s Christenings
John Boot Plumb 28 Dec 1830 Hucknall Torkard Church
Eliza 21 July 1833 Hucknall Torkard Church.
Mary died before1839.
Absalom married his second wife Mary Barton (nee Ctofts) on 22 May 1839 at St Marys Church in Nottingham witnesses were Henry Plumb and Deidamia Plumb.
Census:
1841: Hucknall Torkard HO107, Piece 858, Folio 25, Pg 44, Absolam Plumb 30yrs, Mary Plumb 35yrs,
1851: Hucknall Torkard HO107, Piece2127, Folio 600, Pg 46, Absalom aged 43yrs, May (Mary) 46yrs, John Plumb 20yrs, Eliza Plumb 17yrs and a Thomas Milson aged 26yrs.
1861: Hucknall Torkard, RG9, Piece 2442, Folio 20, Pg 31, Absalom aged 46yrs, Mary 58yrs, Mary Crofts 15yrs.
1871: Hucknall, Rg10, Piece 2491, folio 49, Pg 27, Absalom Plumb aged 65yrs,
Eliza Teather 37yrs (daughter), Mary Teather 16yrs, Sarah Teather 13yrs, Charles Teather 9yrs, ann Bertha 4yrs
1881: Portland St, Hucknall Torkard, Absolam 75yrs, Eliza Theather 45yrs, Sarah Teather 24yrs, Charles Teather 19yrs, Edward Teather 3yrs, William Turner 27yrs.
Have yet to find him on 1891 census.
Absalom died March Qtr 1895 aged 90yrs.
Eliza Plumb daughter of Absalom married George Teather on 12 April 1852 at Basford Church.
Let me know if you want me to follow up on there childrens marriages and family's
Nottsgirl1
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More:
Eli Plumb born 1809 a Gardener of Woolpack Lane Nottingham married Elizabeth Balchin on 19 April 1841 at St Marys Church Nottingham witnesses were Henry Plumb and Deidamia Plumb.
Children christenings were Ellen Plumb 13 Nov 1842 St Stephen Church Sneinton abode was Walker St.
Iram Plumb 18 Nov 1844 at St Paul’s Church Nottingham ,abode was Snow Hill.
Census:
1851: Sneinton, HO107, piece 2130, Folio 367, Pg 30, Eli aged 41, Elizabeth 28yrs Ellen 8yrs, Harim 6yrs, Ann 4yrs, Emma 1yr, Joseph Munton 21yrs.
1861: Sneinton, RG9, Piece 2452, Folio 109, Pg 19, Eli 52yrs, Elizabeth 37yrs, Bram 16yrs, Ann 14yrs, Emma 11yrs, Ann Saxton 26yrs.
1871: Nottingham RG10, Piece 3529, Folio 37, pg 3, eli 53yrs (age is wrong on this one). Elizabeth 49yrs, Alfred Mills 27yrs, Anne Mills 24yrs (Eli’s daughter), Mary Anne Mills 4yrs.
Ann Plumb (daughter of Eli) married Alfred Mills at St Marys on 12 Feb 1865.
Eli died Sept Qtr 1880 Nottingham.
That's it for now as I'm babysitting this afternoon but will be back with back or tomorrow.
Nottsgirl1
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:o Wow, you have been busy.
I put what we have so far on a huge piece of paper so I can see who belongs to who.
To think all I had to start with was Frederick Elks and that I had been searching for years with no result. Now I look at what I have and..... :o.....it is fantastic.
I wish we could find more on Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb.....did they have more than one child? Where did Joseph come from?....I'm thinking he came from Derbyshire or Staffordshire......maybe i'll never know!!
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Hi swampinstein,
it looks like they only had 1 child. If only I could find Joseph burial then we might get an idea of how old he was but haven't yet found it.
Nottsgirl1
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I know....it's like the Elk's are hiding from me....I can find other Elk's especially in Staffordshire but have no idea if Joseph is connected to them......I wonder if he just left?.....or died?.....I would have thought he would be recorded as died in Nottingham, but that doesn't seem the case.
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Unless his name was spelt wrong on records could be down as Ellis maybe, there is one at St Mary's Nottingham Joseph Ellis of Commerce Row on 24 April 1831 on my disc but it says age unclear so I'll have a look at the actual record in the archives.
By the way have you seen the newspaper report on Harriett Elk in 1849 when she was charged with stealing silk and Sarah was charged with receiving the silk.
Nottsgirl1
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I saw the bit about Harriett stealing the silk, read it on that newspaper archive site but I haven't paid to view the rest of the article...Didn't know Sarah got done for receiving it.
I think you may be right about Ellis.....I read that yesterday on another site about Sarah being down as Ellis instead of Elks.....I'll see if I can find it.
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Here it is.......Says Ellis...........think it is my Sarah
1841, transcribed as Ellis, but looks like Elks on the original image:
Willoughby Street, Lenton
ELLIS, Sarah F 40 1801 Nottinghamshire, described as Independent
ELLIS, Harriet F 15 1826 Nottinghamshire
DIXON, Mathew M 30 1811
LIMMERTON, Thomas M 30 1811
MILLS, John M 20 1821
MATHEWS, Samuel M 25 1816 Nottinghamshire
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:o she was living with four men
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Yes I saw that census to but it does not say if she was a widow.
I'll copy out the newspaper report for you and try an post it tomorrow as I have to go off now household duties to do :(
Bye for now.
nottsgirl1 ;D
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Thank you,
Hope you have a good evening xx
Jane x
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Hi Jane,
Maybe silly question but what is the connection from Frederick Elks to Joseph and Sarah?
Here's what is said in the newspaper report:
Nottingham Guardian Newspaper Thursday 16 Aug 1869
At Nottingham County Court
Saturday – (Before the Mayor and J. Hadden, Esq.)
A DISHONSET OVERLOOKERS.---- Harriett Elks, aged 22, single woman, Snenton Elements, was charged with stealing 2lbs. Weight of silk, the property of her master, Mr S. W. Moore, of Hockley-Mill. Police constable Cliff said: At half past two o’clock yesterday afternoon, I went into the shop of a general dealer, named Dodd, and saw John Coney selling some spun silk. I asked him where he had got it from, and he said he had brought it of a woman living at Snenton, and that he had given her 1 ¼ d. a pound for it. I took a bit of it to Mr Moore’s, and found that it corresponded with that used in the Mill. I afterwards went to the house of prisoner’s mother, in Snenton Elements, where I found a quantity of the same material. The prisoner, who was a overlooker at the mill, admitted taking the silk, which she said had got ravelled on the bobbins, and she had cut it off so the girls might not stop in the Mill all night to put the silk right. She was remanded until Monday.
Sarah Elks, mother of the last prisoner, was charged with receiving the silk. She admitted that her daughter had brought silk home from time to time, although she had repeatedly cautioned her not to do so. She was discharged.
Monday - (Before the Mayor and Mr J. Wells, Esq)
REMANDAD CASE- Hannah Elks, remanded from Saturday was discharged, Mr. Moore declined to prosecute.
Nottsgirl1 :D
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Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb had daughter Harriett......Harriett then had a daughter Harriett.....then the second Harriett had Frederick.....so that makes Joseph and Sarah Fredericks Great Grandparents and my Great great great great grandparents ;)
;)thank you for the news article
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Hi Jane,
Thanks I just wondered. ;D
nottsgirl1
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Hi
Here's some more on the Plumb's:
Didernia Plumb born 1812 married William Sabin a wheelwright of Greasley 15 Oct 1852 at St Leodegarius Basford witnesses were James Plumb and Elizabeth Raynor.
Census: 1861 Greasley, RG9, Piece 2434, Folio 49, Pg 29, William aged 45yrs, Didernia 44yrs Charles (son) aged 7yrs.
1881: 215 Ilkeston Rd, Radford, RG11, Piece 3344, Folio 38, Pg 22, William aged 64yrs, Didernia aged 66yrs
1901: 8 Forest St, Hyson Green, RG13, Piece 3184, Folio 192, Pg 37, Didernia aged 87 a widow. Died Dec 1901 aged 82yrs.
Susannah Plumb born 1804 married William Millot 2 May 1830 at St Marys Hucknall Torkard
Children’s Christenings: Charles 25 Dec 1830, Ann 17 May 1835, Mary 29 March 1841 born 19 Nov 1838 all at St Mays Hucknall Torkard.
Census:
1841: Hucknall Torkard, Ho107, Piece 858, Folio 18, Pg 28, William Millot aged 35yrs, Susannah 35yrs, Charles 10yrs, Ann 6yrs, Mary 2yrs.
1851: Hucknall Torkard, HO107, Piece 2172, Folio 619, Pg 27, William aged 47yrs, Susannah 46yrs, Ann 15yrs, Mary 12yrs.
Would you like me to keep researching the Plumbs for you.
Nottsgirl1
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;) If you don't mind.....anything you find is a great help to me ;)..unless you have had enough, i'd understand if you have xx
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If you have access to the newspaper site....could you find the article on John Plumb....it's in one of the nottingham papers about him dying in Tasmania.
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Hi Kaziah here,
I would love more Plumb info if it's not too much trouble... It's such a help.
Have had a bad day to day - I have Lupus, it's a bottom at the moment...
I have another question you may be able to help with too...
Lucy Ann Mason bn 1847 Nottingham who is the half sister of the Everett Plumb bn 1833 Nottingham
Her Mother was Ann Cook bn 1806 Gunthorpe who was first partner of Nathan Plumb bn 1799 Lambley, then partner of John Mason bn 1806 who is Lucy Ann's Father...
Lucy Ann Mason married 1867 4Q Liverpool a
Edwin Booth bn 1845 Nottingham
Who is this Edwin Booth's parents??? I'm struggling with this one...
Hope you don;t think I'm being cheeky
Kazi
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Awww Kaziah, sorry to hear you have lupus, I know how that can affect you.....I have fibromyalgia so also have my good days and bad....Hope you feel better soon :-*
I'm not sure about Lucy...I have Ann cook
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Hi to you both,
Its no trouble at all, I'm happy to continue with the Plumbs.
I've had a look at the newspapers site for the John Plumb Jane mentioned not showing up on the Nottingham site but on the British newspaper site (the one you have to pay for) that has the Nottingham assizes report in the Northampton Mercury. I'll see what I can find on him at the archives.
Kaziah,
First Ann Cook was Nathan's second wife, and from what you are saying she left him sometime between 1841 when she was on the census with him and 1847 when Lucy Ann was born. I'll see what I can find but it might be case of you buying the marriage certificate for Lucy Ann and Edwin.
Nottsgirl1
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Just found a christening for Lucy Ann Mason on 24 Dec 1845 at St Marys Southwell daughter of John and Ann Mason of Westgate Southwell John was a painter.
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This is the only thing I can find on Edwin Booth so far
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M78G-FDQ
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Hi,
Many thanks for that,
Fybromyalgia is nasty too - again unpredictable from day to day. I've had to come off my meds, so in a limbo at the moment.
I have seen that Edwin appears to have ended up in the workhouse in Sheffield poor man. Going to have a scout about for him.
Kazi
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Hi Both of you,
I've been looking over the info gathered here...
The Plumb children of
William Plumb bn bn 1766 and his 2 wives Mary Lane bn 1766 & Ann Selby bn 1772
Don't appear to be living the gypsy way of life...
Except Nathan Plumb bn 1799 whos children with Ann Cook bn 1806
Samuel Plumb 1839
Violetta Plumb 1833
Henry Plumb 1829
George Plumb 1826
Dedemia Plumb 1825
Everett Plumb 1833
Who lead a gypsy life or/and married gypsies...
So has the Gypsy life come from Nathan Plumb OR Ann Cook????? Do we know anything about Ann Cook's family - she certainly had the gypsy swapping of partners/names - so I'm thinking it was from her line...
Or have I missed something???
Kazi
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I have no idea where it started ???
All I started with was remembering my late father telling me when I was young that we came from Romany gypsies...I started my family tree after my father had died so was not able to ask anything....My mother who is still alive said she thought it wasn't true...I started to believe it wasn't true until last year I came in contact with a cousin, who's mum was my dad's cousin and she was also searching the Elks line......I never mentioned a gypsy connection. I just said I was having trouble finding the Elks and she said.....Maybe that is because of the gypsy roots.. :o.......I thought then... :o my father was right after all.....My cousin's mum is still alive and she says she always believed we came from gypsies and that she remembers her auntie looked like a gypsy with how she had her hair and the way she dressed....She always believed that Frederick Elks was the first to live in a house.
I carried on looking for Elks and gysies and could find nothing, until I came here and found Joseph Elks and Sarah Plumb.....I was always looking in London because I knew that is where Frederick was born, when in fact all these years I should have been looking in Nottingham ::)
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When my father was young his mum(frederick's daughter) used to cook sparrow pie :o and my dad used to tell me how to cook Baked hedgehog :o....I never did cook one....pmsl!!!
He also used to go into the local woods near where we lived and pick wild mushrooms....he knew which was poisonious and which wasn't....he made nettle tea, could skin rabbits, pluck pheasants etc
:o Who taught him all that???....his mum??? Frederick his grandad????
They're the sort of things gypsies ate, especially baked hedgehog :o
This is why I want to find more on Joseph Elks and Sarah...did they live a gypsy life?..was joseph a gypsy or was just Sarah's side of the family.
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well - if it looks like fish and smell like fish - it must be fish!!!
I think the information is out there - we just need to find it.
The gypsy connection is in my sons family history - he's 13 - his Gt Grandmother was the first in that family line to live in a house... We have a photo of her, and she looks like a gypsy - very dark and striking looks, very small like a little bird.
But like yourself - lots of traditions have been passed down through the family - just ways of doing things. swapping of names, not marrying - ages all mixed up.
If we keep chipping away, we'll find what we're looking for...
Kazi
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Frederick was married to Louisa Moore and her father Peter came from Ashill Norfolk. My cousin said she went to Ashill Norfolk last year and spoke to an historian and he told her that the Moores seemed to pop in and out of Ashill for the crop seasons......That is another thing gypsies did....they travelled to farms for the crop seasons.....So where the Moores gypsies too???
And if that isn't confusing enough, I happened to find an Highwayman Plumb who was sent to Tasmania who absconded, got inwith a well known bandit and got himself shot ::)
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My dad had a gyspy look
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I know my grandad wasn't a gypsy...He married Mary Ann Elks. I can trace his side back to early 1500's.
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Ummmms...
we've got gypsies straying in and out of the family, I've just found a Booth marrying into my definate Smith Gypsy family. I'll have to look at that tomorrow.
I'm going to reread some of my gypsy books too - see if I can pick something there up.
just got JJ to bed (he has ASD & GDD) -
So off to my own bed now - today has been pants - hope to have more energy tomorrow.
Kazi
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Night Kaz.....Hope tomorrow is a better day for you :-*
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Hi Both of you,
Well you have lost me with all this gipesy talk I've no idea where to strat with that.
I do know that in someof the newspaper reports that I've seen Everett Plumb is reported as a Gipsy.
I also know that the 1st William Plumb we have was not a gipsy as he had a house and shop in Lambley I'm going to get a copy of his Will to day.
The christening I posted last night maybe the wrong one as I've also found a baptism for Lucy Mason at St Barnabas R.C. 17 March 1861 born9 Dec 1846 daughter of John Mason and Ann Cook.
Nottsgirl
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I think Everett Plumb was most certain a gypsy, but where it came from I have no idea
I'm going to have another crack of trying to find something on Joseph Elks....Think I may have to delve into staffordshire.
I do know Frederick's wife was born in Staffordshire
If William Plumb had a shop....what made some of his decendents go into gypsy life? I would have thought if you owned a shop you wasn't completly poor.
The more we find, the more questions we get....which is good, makes it more interesting.
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Hi,
I know Everett Plumb bn c1833 was gypsyish and noted as being a gypsy- and his partner Kasiah Booth was definately gypsy - they lead a very gypsy lifestyle.
Everett Plumb's mother Ann Cook bn 1806 had a child with her second partner John Mason called
Leudure or Lendon Collin Plumb bn c c1843 (male child) which feels a bit of a gypsy name, which brings me back to thinking the gypsy line may come from her...
Not so good today.
Nottsgirl... Thanks for the 2nd bap for Lucy Mason - I think that is the correct one... Is there any chance of looking at the same church to see if Leudure or Lendon collin Plumb is bap there too??? his surname could have been Mason.
Kazi
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Maybe we need to take a look at the cook line of the family....see if her parents were gypsies,
Hope you feel better soon :-*....did you say you had come off your meds?......that will be having an affect on you
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just been looking at the tree of the Plumbs i have got now and I think the gypsy side must have come from William and Ann Selby...they had a son Absalom, a son Eli and a daughter Didonia......all 3 of those are gypsy names.
May be it came from his wife Ann Selby.
It couldn't have come from Ann Cook seeing as it is Nathan's siblings that have those gypsy names....However, that is not saying Ann didn't come from gypsies.
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Hi...
Yes you're right, all odd names, but they all went to live in houses and live non-gypsy lives. But I bet gypsies come from both lines...
I'll have a look about this evening hopefully. More digging needs to be done.
Kazi
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Hi Kaziah and Jane,
Looks like we all had a quiet night last night.
I now have the Will of William Plumb it was dated 8 Jan 1815 and he died 15 Jan 1815 and it was not proved until 26 Dec 1823 (don't know why that was). the date of death on the Will says 1814 but we know that's wrong most likely as it was proved so many years after death that they forgot what year he died as date of death is only added when Will's are proved.
If you send me a personnel massage with your emails I can send you copies as cannot add it on here as copyrights rules don't allow it.
Nottsgirl1
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:) thanks so much for this xx
I spent last night looking deeper into the Moore side (frederick's wife Louisa Moore)
I did find more siblings and that they did travel around, but as of yet not confirmed they lived a gypsy life.
With a little help from the American board I have found details on Louisa's sister who went to America with her family.
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;) Thanks for the will
From what I can read it seems William had money. I think it mentions 'shop'.....garden.....Orchard yard
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I wonder if there are any directeries for that period online to see if he is under shop keeper
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I found this..........A Robert Plumb of Lambley going Bankrupt
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/23247/pages/2634/page.pdf
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also found this about land owned by william and samuel Plumb and also a Selby.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8580731&queryType=1&resultcount=2507
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Snap just sent it to you by email.
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:D great minds think alike....LOL
Seems they must have had some money....makes me wonder how/why some were gypsies
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The selby's must have had money too
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I just googled Green lane and did a street view and it is farmland with a few houses
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Yes it is I've been down it before. Its all getting interesting now. like I said there are a few William's and Samuel's Plumbs so not sure which those ones were, I'll try and sort them out over the next few days.
Well I'm off now.
Wendy
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I should think it was william and samuel on my tree as Selby's were mentioned too, Ann selby being Williams wife...think it mentioned 2 selbys, so that could be brother's of Ann or her father and brother.
Hope you have a good evening :)
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Well... Flip me, I missed a lot yesterday!!!
Will send my email address ...
I've been looking in my book of Gypsy names Selby is a known gypsy surname in the LDN SCO SSX YKS areas
Moore is KEN LDN LIN SSX STF YKS
Maybe they lived with gypsys always around them, and some were drawn into that way of life.
Kesiah Booth was definately a gypsy - I have found a lot of Petty session appearances for her!! as well as the Everett Booth ones we know about - even into her old age - she was always roaming and with other known gypsies.
Got JJ off school again today - so may dip in and out.
All very interesting...
Found a big gypsy connection on my Smith side which confirms to me that I've found the right family there which I'm pleased about - but still have no idea which family Carolina and Maria are from...
Kazi
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I've got side tracked and have now found Plumb connections in Nebraska America :D
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Hi Jane,
Be careful with American connections as they don't always check the facts to prove it and will connect family's up where they shouldn't. I found a number of American trees that had my Elizabeth Green who was born in Lambley married to someone called Jackson in America but in fact she married a Samuel Plumb in Nottingham and lived and died in Lambley and I seen the prove that their Elizabeth Green was born in America.
Nottsgirl1
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I have your Elizabeth Green on My chart....she married Samuel Plumb and in 1841,51 and 61 they lived Green Lane (think that is the same Green Lane we were talking about yesterday
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whenever I find a name, I don't just add it to my tree....I search and search because I don't want to just have names, I want the names to paint a picture, so I search for occupations, what those jobs were like in that era, what schools they attended, the local area, what else was there where they lived....why this, why that.....I love history as well as geneaolgy
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I found the orbit for the Plumb in Nebraska and her grave....but apparently her sister went there first...so I need to check that out too.....then i'd like to find out.....why?.....why did they decided to leave Lambley and go to Nebraska.......I always have questions to be answered...LOL
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Hi yes that's right but this is not the same Samuel as the one son of William and Ann. Samuel's first wife was Mary Green sister of Elizabeth. He was christened 6 June 1793 son of Samuel and Elizabeth Plumb.
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I've not seen that for Plumbs in Nebraska, your are like me like to check everything out first if I cannot prove things then I don't add them but as we go back in time its gets harder but that the fun of it all.
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I have the samuel who married elizabeh green the son of samuel and elizabeth screton
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i'll try to explain the Nebraska plumbs.
this is what I have on my list.
The samuel who married Elizabeth Green (son of Samuel and Elizabeth screton) had a brother John who married hannah brandiff....They had a daughter Charlotte who married Jebez George and a daughter Emma(Emilia) who married Edwin Thomas Bingham......Emma but known as Emilia and Edwin went to Nebraska to be with Charlotte her sister who must have gone there first.
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Yes that's the one its good when some else has the same. Samuel and Elizabeth Green married on 6 Nov 1832 at Stephens Church Sneinton.
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OK right I've got it now. I've not done anything on Samuel's siblings as its more the Green side for me and Samuel's children with Mary Green that I've done.
Anyway got more info on the other Plumbs to sort out and I'll let you have it over the weekend.
Got to go now.
Bye for now
Wendy
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Hi,
I've sent you both emails regarding the following:
Dated 10 May 1842. Ann Plumb of Lambley widow bequeaths all property late of her cousin Henry Wreight of Faversham co. Kent which might come to her as the result of a lawsuit then proceeding in trust for her children and there issue. Trustee and excr Marmaduke Kelham of Southwell Solicitor. Probated 7 Jan 1847.
Annexed is Letter: William Plumb of Mansfield to Maraduke Kelham enquiring as to title deeds to property in Lambley late of Absolom and Eli Plumb. Endorsed with note of reply in which failure (as regards to A. P) of the above lawsuit is mentioned.
The only William Plumb of Mansfield was a broker who died in 1861. He was christened in Woodborough on 14 Dec 1814 son of Samuel and Sarah Plumb.
Samuel Plumb of Lambley married Sarah Worthington at Woodborough on 17 Feb 1812 so could this be Samuel born 1790 and Samuel mentioned above of Mansfield be Ann's step grandson?? something to think about!
Nottsgirl1
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:o I'm getting a bit lost now.....which doesn't take much these days :P
Does this William Plumb of Mansfield belong on my tree...and where does Samuel and Sarah belong?....I bet they are sitting there and I can't see them..lol
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Wreight was mayor of Faversham in 1809, 1818 and 1828, came of a family connected with the town for three centuries,
If you scroll down this page there is a picture of him
http://www.faversham.org/history/people/whos_who_p-z.aspx
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http://www.faversham.org/history/wall_plaques_-_people/henry_wreight.aspx
Need to find out why Ann Plumb thought she could bequeath this guys money into trust for her children. ???
Don't think he married so the relation must be his mother
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Hi,
Cannot find a marriage for Henry Selby to an Eleanor anywhere
Children’s christenings were:
27 Sept 1765 Thomas
6 Sept 1767 Daniel
4 March 1770 Jane
and of course 21 May 1772 Ann (wife of William Plumb.
Right back to the Plumbs
Found burial of Eli Plumb died 26 July 1880 aged 71yrs buried General Cemetery on 28 July 1880 Grave 20139
Also in same grave are:
1. Alfred Mills son fo Alfred and Ann Mills died 21 March 1886 aged 9 months buried 25 March 1886
2. Elizabeth Plumb wife of Eli Plumb died 10 July 1873 aged 71yrs buried 71yrs.
There is some else in grave but have trouble finding the burial record so don’t know who it is yet.
Nottsgirl1
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Good Morning :)
I have searched for Henry and Eleanor and can find hardly anything.
I did find that they had the 4 children you mentioned.
I think Daniel married a Mary and they had a son Thomas who married Mary Widowson..(that is if I have the right Daniel)
I've been searching to see if I can connect Ann Selby with that Henry Wreight but found nothing.
Eli's wife Elizabeth I have down as Elizabeth Bekhin or Belchin (can't read my own writing..lol)
The Mills in the Grave are Eli's daughter Ann and her husband Alfred MIlls
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sorry that must be grandson in grave with them
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Hi,
I done the same cannot find anything on Henry Wreight too. Think we might have to draw a blank with that one.
Yes Elizabeth maiden name was Belchin and its Eli's grandson that's buried in the grave.
Nottsgirl1
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We are both typing at the same time ;D
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Ohhhh nooooo, I can't draw a blank On the Wreight issue...it's going to drive me nuts until I solve it :o
do you have access to newspapers, if so, can you look this up for me
Nottingham Guardian 1895
John Plumb of Lambley was run over on St Ann's Well Road and killed
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Have sent you the newspaper cutting Jane.
Jane and Kaziah
Did you know that Nathan Plumb was convicted of having moulds for making counterfeit coins and having counterfeit coins on 21 July 1842 and was given 10 years Transportation but went to the Prison Hulk Ship Fortitude 9 Aug 1842 that was moored in Chatham he was there until 27 April 1843 don’t know what happened then as I’m unable to make out the writing.
Also in 1826 he was sentenced to 4 months prison for Legacy.
And on 15 Feb 1842 he received poor relief I’ll send you a copy.
Nottsgirl1
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:o Wow...great stuff.
I was just saying in my email that I love newspaper articles
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:o trying to work out in my head how Nathan became so poor...from what we have so far it seemed his father wasn't short of a bob or two regarding his will....think it says at one point in the Will that he gives Nathan 12 pounds? I would have thought 12 pounds was quite a bit in them days.
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Maybe it just all went on feeding the children.
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In 1840, £12 0s 0d would have the same spending worth of 2005's £529.20
just checked it on a site but it only gave me 2005's value
But that gives us a rough idea of what William Plumb was giving
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wonder if Nathan did get transported somewhere or he did his time in a uk Goal.
Do you have a death record for Nathan?
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Well not sure but Nathan if he was transported but he was back in Nottingham on 1851 census and he died Sept Qtr 1885 in Grantham.
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he wasn't transported then because even the convicts with smaller terms very often couldn't get back to England because they couldn't afford the fare.
Have you done any research on the Hind's
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Hinds no but if you give me a starting point I'll do so.
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I have Samuel Plumb married to Elizabeth Foster....Elizabeth parents as John Foster and Ann Hind.....but I believe before Ann Hind married John Foster she was married to a Joseph Plumb......I think she married Joseph Plumb in 1720 and then married John Foster in 1728.
I am now wondering where this Joseph fits in with the rest of the Plumbs....was he Samuel plumb's uncle.
I also have John Fosters parents as...John Foster and Dorothy Blacknall who married abt 1698 in Lambley.
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OK leave with me and I will have to see if the marriage she if she was a widow.
Ann Hind and Joseph Plumb married at Gonalston on 23 April 1828
Joseph was buried on 26 Jan 1728 Lambley
Ann Plumb married john Foster on 16 Sept 1828 Lambley.
Cannot find any children for Joseph and Ann
but for John and Ann
16 Nov 1729 Elizabeth
21 Sept 1735 George
29 April 1739 Sarah all at Lambley
13 May 1732 John at Gonalston
and don't know if the next 2 are the same family
30 June 1836 Simon
2 March 1742 Peter both of those at St Peters in Mansfield
so a bit of checking up here to do!
Nottsgirl1
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;) Thank you
She didn't waste much time from Joseph's death until she married again did she!!
I've been putting it all on a big chart, Elks, moore, plumbs and all their children and marriages etc etc.....it's took me all day :o
To think I only started on this branch of my family with Frederick Elks and within 2 weeks I have loads :o
I'm going to do family group sheets next
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Here's some more descendants for you to add:
Charles Millot born 1831 son of Susannah Millot nee Plumb born 1804
Census: 1851 Hucknall HO107 piece 2127, Folio 588, Pg 23 aged 2oyrs,
Charles married Maria Tudbery march qtr 1855 Basford dis
Children
Henry 22 Feb 1860 Hucknall
1861 Census; South Shields, Durham, RG9, Piece 3790, Folio 30, Pg 5, Charles 30, Maria 25, Frederick W 3, Thomas Henry 1.
1871: South Shields, RG10, Piece 5033, Folio 49, Pg 27, Charles 40, Maria 34, Frank W 13, Mary Ann 8, Charles 5, John 3, Joseph 4 months.
1881: 145 Adelaide St, South Shields, RG11, Piece 5015, Folio 28 Pg 49, Charles 50, Maria 45, Frederick W 23, Mary A 18, Charles 15, John 13, Joseph 10, Ada E 6, Maria Tudberry 80.
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I have Charles and Susannah but no children, so that is good :)
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Kaziah
You asked about Edwin Booth born abt 1845, the only one I could find was a Edwin burton Booth christened 30 Jan 1845 son of maria Booth at Basford Church
1851 census he was in Mickleover aged 6yrs with John Stretton 55, Hannah Stretton 54, Sydney Stretton 18, HO107, Piece 2144, Folio 9, Pg 11
1861: back in Nottingham on Peel St, with George Miller 31, Mary Miller 29, William H Miller 3, Alice A Miller 1, Jane Curtis 13, RG9, Piece 2454, Folio 9, Pg 11.
Nottsgirl1
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Sorry Jane,
Thought I already put them on here but here they are again in case i didn't
Susannah Plumb born 1804 married William Millot 2 May 1830 at St Marys Hucknall Torkard
Children’s Christenings: Charles 25 Dec 1830, Ann 17 May 1835, Mary 29 March 1841 born 19 Nov 1838 all at St Mays Hucknall Torkard.
Census:
1841: Hucknall Torkard, Ho107, Piece 858, Folio 18, Pg 28, William Millot aged 35yrs, Susannah 35yrs, Charles 10yrs, Ann 6yrs, Mary 2yrs.
1851: Hucknall Torkard, HO107, Piece 2172, Folio 619, Pg 27, William aged 47yrs, Susannah 46yrs, Ann 15yrs, Mary 12yrs
Susannah died Dec 1856.
Nottsgirl1
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Where do you get all your info from?..are you subscribed to ancestery.co.uk?
I know you go to the records office too.
I need to subscribe again and also that newspaper site but with me not working at the mo I have to count my pennies.
Think I might go Library this week, I can use ancestery for free there
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I don't pay for anything if I can help it. I access Ancestry for free at the archives and save everything to my memory stick and then go though it all when I get home but it takes me a while as I get so much.
Also at my local library we can access Find my past for free but we are only allowed to use their computers for 1 hour a week.
Nottsgirl1
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I might be going to the records office this week, I haven't been for ages....if I remember rightly you can't take pens in with you...only pencils....am I right in thinking that?
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At Nottingham if you are on the computers and finches readers you can use pens but if you go into the area for originals you can only use pencils.
Well I'm off now time for something to eat. Had a busy day today my granddaughter came round and she started walking she 17 months old but was born 3 months early she tried walking over the last few weeks but today she was walking all over the place. ;D ;D ;D
Bye for now
Nottsgirl1 ;D
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awwwwww :)
My grandson was around yesterday, he is 10 months old and just starting to stand up and trying to walk along holding the furniture.
It's lovely when they do things for the first time isn't it ;D
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Hi...
JJ was born 13 weeks early and was very late to sit up and walk... Girls do a lot better when they're born early.
Still working through my info... I have piles of it all over the front room floor - I'll tray and make more sense of it tomorrow...
Night all Kazi
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Hiya both
How are you both doing with the research?...I didn't do much yesterday but have a few leads I want to investigate.
All being well I'm going to try to get to the records office later. I'll see if I can find anything on the gypsy Plumbs.
Jane x
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Hi,
Sorry not been able to do any yet this week.
Nottsgirl1
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Spent a couple of hours at the records office and found nothing on travelling families >:( all they had was a folder with a few names in and Plumb wasn't even in there, even though we know they lived in Leicestershire for a time.
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That's a shame but to be honest I don't think that the Plumbs were really gypsies
but that Everett Plumb took up with a gypsy.
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Hi You both...
This is where I think the Smith line our Gypsy Smith's come from and the Booth Family merge...
It's a bit odd, and I need to prove the connection, but feel sure it is out there...
James Smith
bn 1773 Clophill
(his parents James Smith 1735-1830, King Jem of the Gypsies and his wife Queen Jemima Smith 1747-1803 - His brother was Toby - Tobias Smith bn 1773 and Hung in 1792 for horse stealing)
married/partner of
Mary Smith
bn 1773
(her parents ?)
Their children...
Cinnamenta Smith bn 1792 (mother of John Smith bn 1833)
Nehemiah Smith bn 1794
Sarah Smith bn 1796
Reservoy Smith bn 1796-1860
James Smith Booth bn 1773 (why was he given the surname Booth???)
James Smith Booth bn 1773 Married/partner of Sophia Smith bn 1793-1881
Their children
Cinementa Booth bn 1829
Henry Booth bn 1881
Amadine Booth bn 1835-1892
These 3 are the known children of the above... But I think they were also the parents of
Kesiah Booth bn 1839 Eaton who was the partner of Everett Plumb - all I need to do is prove it?? HELP NEEDED HERE PLEASE.
Kesiah Booth used throuout her life the surnames Booth/Plumb/Smith
I have a feeling that either Maria or Carolina/Selina who were the co-partners of John Smith bn 1833 may have been a sister of Kesiah Booth also...
Kazi
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Absolam is def a gypsy name though and he was Nathan's brother.
I think there is still lots of questions to ask....
William had money and left his children some....What did Nathan do with his money?....on William's will he gave him £12 which is over £500 in their time and that was a lot of money in those days. Yet he ends up on poor relief and then gets convicted. Going to your point, maybe they were that poor Everett had no choce put to take up with gypsies.
Then their is the rumour in my family that we decended from gypsies...If it was just Everett than we didn't decend from them we were just related to one. My great aunt who is still alive is adament we came from them.
I have added issues...who was Joseph Elks?...Other than his marriage to Sarah Plumb I can find nothing. Where did he come from? Also how did his daughter end up in Greenwich Kent alone and in the poorhouse with one child and one on the way?...There were lots of gypsies in Kent.
Frederick was born in Kent, married in Staffordshire and died in Leicestershire....yet his relatives lived in Nottinghamshire. His brother was born in Kent, had a child born in Cheshire and lived in Southampton, I don't know where he died. Then there is Fredericks wife, her parents were born in Norfolk, had children in Staffordshire and lived in Leicestershire....There is a reason why they all moved around.
So many questions...so few answers...lol......but that is how I like it, keeps my mind busy ;)
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Hiya Kaz
seems you have questions too :o
We need to find Kesiah's parents then.
I know some of Everett's children were born in Leicester and was hoping today at the records office I could at least find those... :o but they had nothing in the records office of travellers except a folder with a few names in and Plumb and Booth wasn't there, so I don't think it was a complete list.
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Nathan Plumb was being a naughty boy before Everett was born....
Nathan Plumb's sister Jane Plumb bn 1796 married Robert Plumb bn 1796
was a Rug Maker and frame work knitter, known gypsy trades - they had a daughter in 1826
called Sylvia/Sybrina/Sylvester/Silvery - a Gypsy name...
In 1861 & 1871 Nathan Plumb gave his occupation as a Hawker - gypsy occ.
Violleta Plumb (Married name Caunt) had Kesiah Booth and Everett Plumb's daughter Mary ann Smith and her children go and live with her - Mary Ann Smith was a Hawker as were her sons...
I think the Plumb's were on the cusp of gypsy life - I think further generations back they may well have been full gypsy...
Kazi
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My Sarah Plumb was done for receiving stolen goods from her daughter....so even Sarah and her family were being naughty....So that is Nathan and his sister, not only that their cousin john who ended up being transported to Tasmania....Makes ya wonder why they were all being naughty when William had money...it seems William's children struggled in life....but I go back to his will.....he did leave them something, so what happened?
Then we have William's wife trying to get money from Henry wreights estate.....it states her cousin but I can't find a connection .
There seems to be money floating around the tree yet they were poor
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maybe the money William left them wasn't much after all.....I did look on a converter and it said £12 in 1840's was worth in todays money over £500
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Framework knitters had it rough about 1818/20ish...many could not get work and were starving because there was now better machines to do their jobs.
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you need to look up 1881 census for Rutlandshire
James Booth of Blisworth and wife Sophia Smith lived there
They had a son Henry Booth 1833 Old Dalby Leicestershire
Keziiah Booth born 1773 Oakham Rutlandshire
Think also
Albert Booth
Enock Booth
Mary Booth
Harriet Booth
They all lived
Lord's Hold, John's Count Oakham Rutlandshire
Yet on here it says parents Henry and Emma booth
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQ46-V7R
was Henry James father and then James had another Keziah
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don't know if this helps
Snow Hill, Melton Mowbray 1891
Cinamenta Smith 63 Hawker Thoresby Lin
James Booth, 100, father, Chair Bottomer Blisworth Northants
:o does that mean James was 100
James BOOTH b: 1794 in Blisworth, Northampton SOphia SMITH b: 1793 in Sharnford, Leicestershire
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There a James Booth who died in Melton Mowbray Dec Qtr 1892 aged 98yrs making him born 1794
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Think that must be the same James
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James Booth 59
Sophia Booth 68
Amadine Booth 25
Mary Ann Booth 4 Grandaughter
Ellen Booth 6 Mo Grandaughter
Name: Sophia Booth
Birth: abt 1789
Death: Mar 1867 - Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire
1881 England Census
about James Booth
Name: James Booth
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Blisworth, Northamptonshire, England
Civil Parish: Melton Mowbray
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street address: Timber Hill (Platts Court)
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:
Employment status: .
Occupation: Chair Bottomer
Registration district: Melton Mowbray
Sub registration district: Melton Mowbray
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Minta Smith 52
James Booth 84
AMADINE BOOTH Christening: 13 APR 1835 Knipton, Leicester, England Father: JAMES BOOTH
Mother: SOPHIA
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Been trying to find anything on Selby/wreight connection....found nothing so far but someone gave me this lead I need to check out..
There is a baptism at St Alphage Canterbury of a Henry Selb(e)y son of Henry and Eleanor 1/6/1760 .
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Hiya Ladies
how is it going with the search? I haven't done any recently but hope to carry on next week.
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hi there everyone , iv just been reading your posts on everet booth i e plumb , they are related to me , my mum was dinah booth daughter off everett , hawker from selston notts.
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Fabulous,
My/Our link is with Keziah Smith/Booth...
kaziah
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Hi, anyone who's reading this...
I'm still plodding away on this. I think there is a definite link with the Booth / Plumb family.
Everett Plumb bn 1833 Notts
Everett Plumb also used the name Everett Booth bn 1864
His sister Mary Ann Plum /Booth / Smith bn 1860 Notts who used all 3 surnames.
Have sent off for some books on Gypsy family history and customs and found some good website - BUT if anyone has any pointers I'd be more than grateful.
My main interest is in Mary Ann Smith bn 1869/70 Arnold/Ilkeston ? who ended up living with George Slater a salt Hawker in Derby till she died... I have yet to find the death.
Kazi
hi yes you are right booths were plumb , they my relations.
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Fabulous,
My/Our link is with Keziah Smith/Booth...
kaziah
wonder if we related .
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Hi,
Probably...
I have our tree on ancestery?
If you send a private e-mail via this site I will try and explain.
Kazi
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I'm related to the Plumbs
Nice to meet you Suzy x
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well hello distant relation lol my grandad was everete booth from selston , my mum was dinah booth sadly is know longer with us , most of booths are buried in selston grave yard nottinghamshire were the gypsy king is buried .
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I'm related to Sarah Plumb...Nathan Plumbs sister
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I'm related to Sarah Plumb...Nathan Plumbs sister
have you done a family tree ?
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Yes, but I haven't got it online....I have a website but I haven't put the plumbs on there yet
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Hi
I'm researching Booth and Smith in Goole and Rawcliffe. Betsy Booth who was a hawker, who married firstly to a chap named Coleman, and later to a Robert Smith. I've been unable to find her father Charles Booth (who is on both her marriage certificates). Whilst researching on a newspaper site I discovered Smith and Booth links at Rawcliffe and Snaith.
There is a Booth family using the name "Cynementy" at Rawcliffe, she is daughter of William Booth, hawker. He has nephew and niece William and Eliza.
Younger William was born in Nottingham, can't decipher place name on 1911 census.
I have also found 9th July 1887 newspaper 'Nottinghamshire Guardian', 'Everett Booth alias Plumb', aged 24, indicted for stealing a bay mare from Robert Watling of east Stoke. Found NOT GUILTY.
I also found him as 'Everard Booth' alias Plumb, horse dealer of Leicester, found guilty of being drunk at Leicester Abbey on 30th January 1886 with a chap called John Darker of Markfield (Leicester Chronicle feb 13th 1886) They were each fined 5 shillings, and 13 shillings costs, or 5 days in gaol!
There is another story from Nottingham Evening Post 10th November 1882, of Everett Booth and Henry Plumb damaging a hedge at West Brigford by jumping a horse over it. Everett is described as a 'horse dealer' and Henry his 'assistant' once again they were both fined. (Nottinghamshire Guardian).
In another appearance at court 9th Jan 1886 he was described as having "no fixed residence".
BUT, there is also a story 25 years previous to these, of two gipsies named James Booth and 'Everrit' Plumb, being drunk and fighting at Barkston, on trial at Belvoir Petty sessions July 1st 1861.(Leicester Chronicle again). They assaulted James Scofield, parish constable, in the execution of his duty. Fined £1 with 10 shillings and six pence costs.
They certainly are a colourful bunch!
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In 1893 a John Plumb was at a fair in Grantham....A Mr Fletcher's Peep Show. A man named Henry Hughes hit John in the face for not stopping the organ :o
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Hi . Don't know if thread is still live. Everett Plumb would have been my 3x Great Uncle I've got on to part of my tree. Nathan plumb would have been my 3x great grandfather.
I have just come across Keziah Booth and her off spring, in which they would have been my 1st Cousins 3x re moved
So trying to find out more. My tree is on Ancestry as I couldn't trace any marriage records for Everett or Keziah now I know why. Hope to hear from someone.
My 2x Great Grandmother was Violetta Plumb m: William Caunt, my Great Grandmother was Eliza Caunt 1851 Nottingham.
Regards
Eddie
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Hi,
We have these people in our tree...
Our tree is also on ancestry. I have some bits of info on them which I haven't looked at in ages. If you want to PM me I could share them with you via email.
Kaziah
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Hi Kaziah. Many thanks for your prompt reply, and good to hear from you. I see this thread has been going quite a while and took the gamble that someone was still out there. Would be nice what ever info you have. My Ancestry is under the name Eddie Marris. Not sure if you can put your email address here but I'll give it a go as I am not sure how this site works yet.
eddie.marris@gmail.com
Regards
Eddie
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Fab...
I will sort out what I have and get back to you asap...
I keep looking for more info...
Kezia and Everett were encamped with our Smith's on the 1871 census, they were cousins...
Kazi
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Hi Kaziah. OK many thanks.
Regards
Eddie
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Hi Kaziah. Just a quick question about this site, as i am unsure at the moment when you said PM me is this the way, or is there another route? Or do I use the email symbol.
Regards
Eddie
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Hi, anyone who's reading this...
I'm still plodding away on this. I think there is a definite link with the Booth / Plumb family.
Everett Plumb bn 1833 Notts
Everett Plumb also used the name Everett Booth bn 1864
His sister Mary Ann Plum /Booth / Smith bn 1860 Notts who used all 3 surnames.
Have sent off for some books on Gypsy family history and customs and found some good website - BUT if anyone has any pointers I'd be more than grateful.
My main interest is in Mary Ann Smith bn 1869/70 Arnold/Ilkeston ? who ended up living with George Slater a salt Hawker in Derby till she died... I have yet to find the death.
Kazi
Hi Kaziah. Just a quick question about this site, as i am unsure at the moment when you said PM me is this the way, or is there another route? Or do I use the email symbol.
Regard
hi there im new to this site, my mum was a booth , her dad was william evertte booth , he was married to bertha , they liveed at pye bridge derbys , both of them my grand parent are buried at st helen slelston , there are a few booths burid there .
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Hi again,
Yes this is the same family I'm looking at - I'll have a look at my file tomorrow and come back...
I feel sure that Keziah Booth is connected in someway to the Smith Gypsy family who is encamped with them/beside them during the 1871 census - Keziah is as a Booth and the rest of the family as Plumb's.
I'll post again later when I can get my info together.
Kaziah
Hello, this family of Booth's and Plum's are my family. I'm Randolph smith, the Booth's are the Smith's , they have been since forever. If you want to get more confused look on the Absolam smith site haha. Amandine booth is my gt gt grandmother. We all have the same Christian names in how family, even today. randolphsmith59@gmail.com
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John Plumb 1795-1826 Convict, is my 5x GG. As I've only just "found" that out, I would appreciate any further information about the crime he committed which saw him transported to Tasmania.
Thanks,
Milinoz
Melbourne, Australia.
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Robert and Jane Plumb are my fourth great grandparents. Their son John (my 5x Great Uncle was the one sent to Hobart Tasmania on the Lord Hungerford Convict ship. John Plumb had two sisters Mary and Maria and a brother, David, all of which appear to have died in the same year they were born.
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:o I found a convict Plumb who was sent to Tasmania in 1823. Grandson of Samuel Plumb (1727) Lambley and Elizabeth Foster.
He was sent there in 1823 (not sure what for yet) when he was there he got mixed up with a bush ranger and was shot in the chin and jaw and died several days later....buried Hobart 1826
This was my 5x Great Uncle, son of Robert Plumb and Jane Plumb. I have lots of information for him! If anyone's interested please email me at antmeal2@gmail.com.
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Not sure if anyone is still searching these families of Smith/Plumb came across a marriage.
22 Sep 1850 Marriage Place:Derby, St Alkmund, Derbyshire, Silvey Plumb born 1825 married Charles Smith born 1826. Fathers Robert Plumb and John Smith.
Waltham on the Wolds and Stow Green Fair were places that I know at least some of the Gypsies would be found known as Lincolnshire Gypsies Brown Gray Elliotts Smith and sometimes Boswell Heron and Lovell from other parts of England. The Booths were known to reside at Melton Mowbray and there is a story of ancestor a woman which they said her picture hangs in Belvoir Castle.
1861 23 May Nottinghamshire Samuel Curson and Everett Plumb 2 gypsies were charged with camping on highway in parish of Maplebeck - ordered to pay costs and warned if found similarly offending they would be severely punished.
1869 28 May Stamford Mercury Thomas Elliott charged with using a dog to kill game and assaulting police.... he was fined and costs paid.
Between 5 & 6 am of 13th a considerable number of gypsy tribe were traveling in Vans and other vehicles accompanied by a drove of horses down old Foss road between Cotgrave & Kinoulton.
Everett Plumb and Spencer Smith were charged with similar offences as was Wm Grey another gypsy charged with using a gun and killing a hare on land of Mr hoard Farmer of Cotsgrave. The case was adjourned.
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My mums family go back to booth on her mams side and hames .they traveled around Lincs and Notts but also derby and far as hereford for hop picking and several family members live in melton mulberry .id like to find my booth line .
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Hi, this is the same family I'm looking for but I'm trying to concentrate on the haymes, hames, haynes family, James born 1890 in stone, staffordshire to Catherine hames, her father listed as either Michael or Billy, I cant find any information going further back, Catherine lived with Jack, Smith or booth, she listed herself as Catherine Smith in the 1911 census, but she never married, the children took the name haymes or Smith at times, any chance of any help please, overwhelmed with this x
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Hi Joanne,
I've sent you a PM.
Kazi
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I've just read all your posts kazi, fascinating, are you on about Catherine hames as the gt grandmother, I'm trying to find her parentage , I cant get on your trees as I'm like a pig with a gun without instructions, Brill researching by the way x
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Hi Joanne,
I've sent you a PM.
Kazi
Hi my great gran was Clara hames and kizzy was my great great gran , I'm trying todo a family tree but need some help ,do you have Noah "jack " smith married to Clara hames ,Noah my great grandad but I can not find any deatails on his family before he married Clara in Derbyshire .any info or pics would be great .jerry
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I've just read all your posts kazi, fascinating, are you on about Catherine hames as the gt grandmother, I'm trying to find her parentage , I cant get on your trees as I'm like a pig with a gun without instructions, Brill researching by the way x
kizzy my great great gran ,I will ask my brother if he knows who her parents were .i also have few old photos you may not have of kizzy and her family ,do you have photos ?
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Hi, this is the same family I'm looking for but I'm trying to concentrate on the haymes, hames, haynes family, James born 1890 in stone, staffordshire to Catherine hames, her father listed as either Michael or Billy, I cant find any information going further back, Catherine lived with Jack, Smith or booth, she listed herself as Catherine Smith in the 1911 census, but she never married, the children took the name haymes or Smith at times, any chance of any help please, overwhelmed with this x
I've just read all your posts kazi, fascinating, are you on about Catherine hames as the gt grandmother, I'm trying to find her parentage , I cant get on your trees as I'm like a pig with a gun without instructions, Brill researching by the way x
kizzy my great great gran ,I will ask my brother if he knows who her parents were .i also have few old photos you may not have of kizzy and her family ,do you have photos ?
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Hi I'm trying to find as much information as possible about my side of the family ,I'm catherine haymes great great granddaughter, my granma doreen was the daughter of james haymes and mary ann ford ,james was the son of catherine ,my grandma sadly passed away 2014 and I wish I'd found out everything I needed to know before she passed ,but wanting to find everything and everything out about my family roots who who and go back as far as I can . Many thanks Sarah
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Sarah has photos , just needs names putting to them, kazi has the wealth of information, I'm helping Sarah, between us we should find something out, I'm hoping kazi finds out who and where Catherine was from, shes intriguing x
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Hello there, my name is Belle Leighton née Haymes. I was born Annabel. My Grandad was Peter Haymes and we are Romani. My great Granny was Kitty Haymes. I would love to see any old photos you may have of my family. We are a very large family and tracing back, it does get very confusing with name changes. I am on ancestry.co.uk