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Title: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: renibacterium on Wednesday 29 February 12 13:05 GMT (UK)
My wife has Sussex Fenner's in her tree and I have hit a brick wall with their line, probably because of missing information in the Mayfield records. I have looked in all the usual places but if anyone has film/ microfilm? cdRom's/ transcripts of the Sussex area of any relevant parish records could you please have a look for the Fenner's in red below. Anyway I will give the line so far ( in black is confirmed, in red is speculation)

Andrew Fenner =  Elizabeth Creasie  married 1692 Withyham
Thomas Fenner (b1715?Mayfield?) = Sarah Luxford (b1719 Brede) married 1738 Withyham  
Thomas Fenner   (b1738/9) =  Hester Eastwood (b1743)
John Fenner (b1765) = Ann Bones (b1768)
Sophia Fenner (b1804) = Thomas Baldwin (b1801)
Sophia Baldwin (1829) = Henry Leaney (b1828)  Sussex
Ruth Leaney( 1861) = (Arthur) Frederick Newman (1860) Surrey
Elizabeth Sophia Newman (b1885) = James Wm. Freeman (b1876 Tottenham)

thanks reni  ;D
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: omega 1 on Wednesday 29 February 12 13:33 GMT (UK)
Hello reni

from the Sussex Marriage Index
At Withyham
25 Oct 1692

Andrew Fenner,from Mayfield
Elizabeth Creasie,OTP

Withyham13 Feb 1738/9
Thomas Fenner
Sarah Luxford,OTP

Will see if i can find Andrew & Thomas`s baptisum

Kind regards
omega :)
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: omega 1 on Wednesday 29 February 12 14:52 GMT (UK)
Hello reni

I have the Mayfield PRs on CD.

Whoever transcribed were very informative.

I found 3 Fenner children,Dad John,but a lot of Baptisums seemed to be missing.

Sorry,but i could`nt find Andrew :(

Kind Regards
omega
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: renibacterium on Wednesday 29 February 12 15:53 GMT (UK)
omega 1

Thank you for looking. When you say 3 Fenner children, Dad,  John   -   do you mean  Dad as Thomas Fenner (b1738) and John  (b1765) his son ?  Who was the third Fenner child ? Thanks again reni  :)
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: omega 1 on Wednesday 29 February 12 15:59 GMT (UK)
Hello reni

11 May 1664,Thomas,son of John
John 1660,son of John,forgot to write date down ???
& Mary daughter of John

omega
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Wednesday 29 February 12 17:11 GMT (UK)
Can we assume you have looked at Mayfield on theweald site?
http://theweald.org/P5.asp?PId=PSx.My
Andrea
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: renibacterium on Wednesday 29 February 12 19:08 GMT (UK)
Can we assume you have looked at Mayfield on theweald site?
http://theweald.org/P5.asp?PId=PSx.My
Andrea

Yes, all the usual places incl. GR, FindMyPast, A.co.uk, Familysearch, Chris Fenner's UK site, Sussex OPC,
SFHG, SMI, and many more. Thanks.  reni  ::)
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Tuesday 04 March 14 01:19 GMT (UK)
Hello, I have found on a website Andrew Fenner, b. 1730 Burwash, d. Aug 1817 Mayfield.
son Henry Fenner b. Nov 1755, Mayfield d. 28 Nov 1800
son Jesse Fenner, b. 15 Apr. 1816, d. date unknown. (that means that he was born 16 years after father died). ???
son Jess Fenner b. 29 July 1820 Burwash Sussex. d 15 Apr 1896 Seal Kent. (that means he was born 4 years after the birth of his father) ???
These two dates do not add up.  Would love some help trying to solve this.
Thank you Coffeegirl
 
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: sillgen on Tuesday 04 March 14 08:23 GMT (UK)
Hi
Can you tell us what you know for certain and have proof for?     It is easier to work backwards from known facts.   Census records will help.
There are various marriages for those names in Mayfield.
Jesse Fenner married Mary Ann Moon 25 Oct 1829 for instance.     Is this your family?
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Wednesday 05 March 14 04:00 GMT (UK)
Hi, thank you for replying to my query.  To cut a long story short our family line goes back to James Nye (b.1751 Speldhurst) married  1778 Speldhurst to Elizabeth Fenner (bapt. 1758 Pembury).   Two things I am trying to prove. 
1. James Nye and Wm. Fenner were partners in the Tunbridge Ware manufacturing business and I am trying to see if there is any family connection between Eliz.Fenner and Wm. Fenner (1781-1869) – so far we cannot find a connection at all – I was wondering if she was his aunt?
 2.  Trying to prove which John Fenner is Elizabeth’s father. Found this:  Speldhurst, Kent.   1778 Elizb (a minor;  dau of Jn of Tonbridge) & Jas Nye married.
I know that Eliz. had a brother named Andrew.   
Have found a John Fenner from Chiltington SSX  married 1749 in Pembury to a Sarah Ellams from Tonbridge by License.  Taken from the Pembury Parish Register transcripts 1560-1812.
On ancestry.com there is a John Fenner & Sarah Ellams with 4 children.
John Ellams Fenner 1750-1813.
Sarah Fenner 1753
Elizabeth Fenner 1758
Andrew Fenner 1761

I have both Eliz. & Andrew’s Wills.

Could this be her parents.  What I dispute, however, is that this same line on ancestry has the son John Ellams Fenner born 1750 and both his parents died 1750 yet three more children were born to them both after their deaths.

The Andrew Fenner b 1730 mentioned in previous note could perhaps be the brother of John Fenner b. 1720-5.   Again as I mentioned the dates are wrong.

Would dearly love some help with sorting these queries out.

Many thanks,

Coffeegirl
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: Gizelle on Friday 04 July 14 10:07 BST (UK)
Hi Lesley,

I descend from the Fenner family you describe. ie John Fenner and Sarah Ellams, through their son John Ellams Fenner. To date I have not been able to connect them with the Tunbridge Ware Fenners.
Several family members have mentioned that we descend from Capt Thomas Fenner who sailed with Drake at the time of the Spanish armada but 200 years is a long gap to fill. There are many John Fenners who appear in the Kent, Sussex area records but I have not been able to get beyond the one who married Sarah Ellams. He certainly looks promising as Elizabeth's father. I will look through some sources at the genie library where I work to see if I can find any more information.

regards
Gizelle
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Sunday 03 August 14 06:13 BST (UK)
Hi Gizelle,
In a gazette where John Ellams Fenner is sent to gaol I think for bankruptcy it mentions that he is a Tunbridge Ware maker.  Also there are a couple of other John Fenners who are Tunbridge Ware makers and one could be his father, cannot prove that though.  Sorry for the late reply but have been away for a couple of months.  Coffee girl :D
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: Gizelle on Sunday 03 August 14 11:42 BST (UK)
Hi Coffee Girl,
 I did check the info at the Genie library to no avail. I had no idea that John Ellams Fenner had been sent to gaol for bankruptcy and was listed as a Tunbridge Ware maker. Thank you for that information. It should give me a little more to follow up. I also looked through all my Fenner information hoping to find links for you but again it was to no avail, I'm sorry to say.
I shall keep my eyes open though.

Regards
Gizelle
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: FennerAustralia on Wednesday 07 December 16 12:47 GMT (UK)
Gizelle,
I'm from the Thomas Paris Fenner line. John Fenner 1723 - 1793 is my earliest Fenner (married to Sarah Ellams. Have you had your DNA tested through Ancestry.com ? I have and I am connecting to the Rhode Island branch of our Fenner family, and their trees connect to Captain Thomas Fenner of the Spanish Armada fame !! I look forward to hearing about your DNA experiences !!
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Wednesday 07 December 16 22:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Gizelle, we have corresponded before.  You come down through John Fenner 1750-1813 and I come through his sister Elizabeth who married James Nye.  My husband does as well, strange.
I have had my DNA done through Family Tree but can access ancestry and others if you upload, free of charge to gedcom and then you get a whole lot more people to compare with and also tells you more.  Have you done gedcom?  Coffee Girl
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Wednesday 07 December 16 22:19 GMT (UK)
Gizelle, sorry I meant 'gedmatch' not 'gedcom'.Coffee Girl
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: FennerAustralia on Saturday 10 December 16 15:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Coffee Girl, I am not Gizelle but an Australian descendant of John Ellams Fenner. My name is Tim McCabe and I'm from Perth, West Australia. What number are you on Gedmatch ? I am not having much luck connecting with the Fenner line, although my Anestor Matthew Marwood (DNA proven) married Mary Ann Fenner, the daughter of the Rev Thomas Paris Fenner. Where are all my DNA Fenner cousins ? I've managed to connect with many descendants of Arthur Fenner from Rhode Island, New York but no Fenner from Australia ! ? Sometimes I doubt I have Fenner ancestry !! I'll keep on looking ! I've also tested on FT DNA but the trouble is, if people don't attach their ancestral names you get no where ! Have you attached the name 'Nye' or 'Fenner' to your DNA result ? Best wishes, Tim McCabe 'AustralianFenner'
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Sunday 11 December 16 05:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Tim,
Sorry taking you for Gizelle.
I am quite happy to correspond by email if you are happy to give me your email address.  I have not come up with any Nye/Fenner yet on Gedmatch, there are so many to go through and also I am new at this. 
On Family Tree DNA, autosomal, I have only put my direct tree on, however, under the names am researching I have mentioned Nye and Fenner.   
I don’t feel  like putting my Gedmatch no. on rootsweb, hence asking for your email address. 
I, too, am having trouble connecting to cousins, have found a couple, in my case it is probably that I have asked many to have the test, and none have said yes.  Also maybe no Nye and Fenner cousins have done the DNA test.  It is a long and arduous task this DNA so I am finding out, 6 weeks later.
Actually, we must not be a match as I cannot find you on Gedmatch nor the automosal unless you are under a different name and when I put Fenner in the surnames only 1 comes up.  Gladys McMillin.
Must go and get some work done as I have to take my computer into be looked at tomorrow and they will have it for a few days.
Coffee Girl.
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: Hudor on Sunday 22 December 19 09:29 GMT (UK)
Hi all
I am new to this but found the posts about the Fenner family and wanted to respond.  I have been in touch with Tim McCabe in the past, and have him on my tree.  He is the 4th great grandson of Thomas Paris Fenner(b 1783-).  Thomas Paris Fenner was my 4th great grandfather.  His granddaughter Louisa Fenner (1847-1880) married John Francis Huon Mitchell (1831-1921).  Louisa died in childbirth in 1880, having had numerous children, at "Hawksview", Manningham Road, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Victoria.  I have the Fenner line back to John Atte Fenne (b mid 1300s).  I am willing to provide this line, and would appreciate any additions and corrections to my information.
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: lesleyandrobert on Monday 23 December 19 01:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Hudor.  I can take not only myself but also my husband back to the Fenners. We come down through John Ellames  Fenner's sister Elizabeth Fenner 1758-1818 married to James Nye 1851-1809. James Nye and William Fenner (Elizabeth & John Ellames' brother) were Tunbridgeware makers in Tunbridge. 
I have Thomas Parish Fenner [The First] 1783-1863 and married to Elizabeth Bevan Park.
His parents were John Ellames Fenner 1750-1813 & Mary Paris c.1744-1808.
His parents were John Fenner 1723-1793 & Sarah Ellames 1726-1803 and I can take Sarah back another 3 generations.
I would love to see what you have if anything on the Nye family and what you have on the Fenner line. Looking forward to hearing from you.  Coffee Girl
Title: Re: Fenner Family in Sussex
Post by: Hudor on Monday 23 December 19 02:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Coffee Girl
Thank you for your reply.  I don't have the Nye line, but would be pleased to send you my Fenner line. Please contact me at my home email *, and I'll send you information.
Regards


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