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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: charwatkin on Wednesday 07 March 12 20:26 GMT (UK)
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Husband's 3rd GGrandfather:
John Blane: b. Sandy, Bedfordshire in 1821
I have parents as Fanny (?) and Thomas Blane/Blain
One brother, James b. 1843 - am guessing he is a brother - could be a nephew. James is on 1851 census with Fanny & Thomas
Fanny is a widow on two later census' living with John & family.
I have him on 1851 - 1901 census
Wife: Elizabeth / Betsy Williamson
Children: Charles, George, Ann, Leah,John, William, Walter, Rosa, Annie E
Looking for death date: I found one for 1901 but it gives a birth year as 1830. A year or two off would be understandable
Birth date through all census records are consistant.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance!!
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Hi
It is possible there are 2 Fanny Blanes/Blains...
an extracted record of Sandy shows John Blain son of Frances Blain 4 Nov 1821.
No father noted.
Frances her self is the unmarried daughter of Thomas and Ann Blain and baptised in Sandy in 1795.
She lists Sandy as birth place in 1861 when with John and his family.
The married Thomas and Frances/ Fanny are in Ware hertfordshire with son James so not brother or close relation to John.... where she lists born in Devon.
They are also still together in 1861 indexed as Bland RG9/805 F11 P18 again listed as born in Devon.
Tazzie
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Looks like I will need to correct the Fanny/Thomas theory and your 1821 John w/Fanny extract looks like him.
Does that mean that he was 'fatherless' (am trying to put this nicely for the family!)
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1851 has a Thomas & Ann Blain with a daughter Frances in Sandy, Bedforshire
hmmmm could this be her?
Are there parish records I can find anywhere to see if Frances had a child out of wedlock, named John??
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Yes.....
If he knew who he was he maybe on the marriage cert when he married Elizabeth/ Betsey. unless he's listed in parish records as reputed father.
Seems Thomas Blain married a cousin Ann Blain in 1794
Hi 1851 is her yes listed as born Sandy. The "other" Thomas and Frances/Fanny become Bland on the census and she is still saying born Devon albeit various places.
Tazzie
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Hi
the details in the actual parish records may just list him as basesborn son of Frances and give an address at the time. I cannot see them in 1841 though so where are they all hiding
Tazzie
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Now I am confused.
I had been told that John Blain/Blane was the father of Leah Blane/Blain and they were from Sandy, Bedforshire. That is why I was on this 'track'
Now, I look at my record for Leah when she is married.... Moses Adolphus Bates was her husband. Anyway, they immigrated to the U.S. in mid 1800's.
1881 census says she was born Little.... (2nd part is covered up) Gloucester
I may have to try and go back to square one with her. Try to figure out where she was born....
Sorry for the 'wild goose' chase!
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Hi
there seem to be some Leah's with the surname Brain in Gloucestershire area so could be where to look.
Do you have her marriage cert to Moses ? that would give her father
Tazzie
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Thats if you can find a Marriage :-X
I cant on FreeBMD.
In the United States Census Leah is consistantly 9-12yrs younger than Moses.
In 1900 they have been Married 29yrs , so c 1871.
(Leah is mistranscribed as Sarah age 43, Married 29yrs!)
Leah is still alive on the 1910 Census which I cant access.
(Familysearch.Org)
1881 Census in England they are born c 1844, Longley, Glous and c 1849, Little.., Glous. (so only 5yrs difference)
So we have a range of 1849-1856 for her.
Also this may be the Marriage of the Bedford, Leah Blane/Blain;
Marriage;
06 October 1876
Moggerhanger, Bedford, England
Leah BLAIN, age 22 (birth c 1854, Father JOHN Blane
Charles FARR, age 20 (birth c 1856) Father DAVID Farr
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Some Certs need to be purchased I think, esp a Childs Birth Cert if no Marriage is found.
Trish :)
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I hate to throw another spanner in the works;
Marriage;
Moses BATES, December 1871, W Bromwich,6b 1109
On the same page are;
Ann Maria JORDAN and Ann Maria WHITEHOUSE
(Could either Ann Maria be known as LEAH?)
1871 Census Moses is under Adolphus Bates born c 1850, Longney, Glous and is Unmarried. (image could be age 27)
RG10/2627/11/16
If have to get off the Computer for a while now and will see if I can prove my theory.
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1891 Census Leah FARR is born c 1855, Girtford, Bedfordshire.
RG12/1245/6/5
This fits the 1861 Census when Leah, Daug of John/Betsey is born c 1855, Girtford, Beds.
RG9/994/33/5
1881 Census Leah FARR is mistranscribed as Selina Farr c 1854, Girtford, Beds.
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Hi Trish...
Yep she's def not the Beds one. Can sse Moses and Leah in 1901 in USA but no new details to be had from there.
We need a starting point somewhere. I keep looking at the names trying to work it out I think one of the childrens certs would be the way forward as well.
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie,
Yes I think a Cert is the only way with this one :)
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I thought the W Bromwich Marriage was just a possibility.
The George GREENHOUSE who was the other Male that Married 1871 is with Wife Maria in 1881. She is born c 1851, Wednesbury.
This one seems to be Maria Whitehouse in 1861, a 10yr old Servant born c 1851, Wednesbury or Marria c 1851 with Parents Richard/Sarah in Wednesbury.
1881 Moses/Leah are in Staffs so it is still possible she was nee Jordan. Trouble is I cant find her 1871.
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One of the children
Mary Ann Bates Burton 1873 oct/nov/dec vol 6b page 387
Is this Ellen Priscilla...?
Ellen Philomena Bates Burton 1876 jan/feb/march
or William Smith Bates
burton 1878.
Tazzie
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Maybe not.
Just searched for any Moses Bates in 1881 Census and there is one born c 1852, Wednesbury, Staffs with a Wife Maria born c 1852, Cheltenham, Glous. They are living in Lancashire in 1881 with 2 Children born Widnes, Lancs.
IGI has the Marriage also.
Back to the drawing Board, Birth Cert needed ;)
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Moses wedding 1871
Moses Bates aged 20 father William
Ann Maria Jordan aged 20 father Henry
25 Dec 1871 Moxley Stafford
Still no real help
Tazzie
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Clutching at straws here;
1871 Census has a Leah BRAM born c 1851, Littledean, Glous
1861 she is under Leah Brain c 1852, Little Dean.
I wonder how Trees got the name Blane/Blaine for Leah as there doesnt seem to be a Marriage to be found.
Off to bed for me, night Tazzie :)
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O.K. Kids ARE
Mary Ann
Ellen Priscilla
William S or T, so I am guessing it is the "Smith"
I have NY State census records for them in 92 & 1905.
We got the name "Blane/Blain" from word of mouth from the family. Mary Ann is my father-in-law's grandmother. She died the year I was born. I remember asking my mother-in-law if she got to meet her (as we live in OH & they lived in NY)... she said she had & thought a lot of her.
So... my friends, it could be the "Bram or Brain" misspelled. Moses "Adolphus" went by "Adolphus'" when he was younger... most likely b/c his father was Moses, also. From what I can tell, once out of the family nest & on his own, he used his first name of "Moses."
Your Bram, makes sense, as the 1881 census says "Little" something, "Glous" ... you can't read it b/c the census marks are right over her birth place. I will check out your "Bram" ...... you may have just hit the nail on the head!!
Thanks all!! I am soooo excited!!
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The Leah in Littledean is the daughter of Anthony and Rosanna Brain. There is a big family of Brain in the area.
Like Trish I am really struggling to find her marriage to Moses but will keep playing and see what turns up.
Tazzie
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Found record where someone in family did research several years ago. I will check, but now I am guessing they knew the "sound" of what Leah's maiden name was, found that it says that 16 months lafter Moses immigrated, that Leah followed.
Says they went to Huntington, Canada before moving to NY... This may help, too. Says Ellen married someone named "Murphy"
Any luck finding a marriage for Leah Brain??? I found somewhere it is also spelled Brayn. Would that be pronouced ... like the thing in your head or closer to how "Brian" is pronounced??
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Leah, daughter of Anthony & Rosana or Rose Anna.... also had a daughter Roseanna (or whatever)
1871 census has Leah "Brian" living in Awe w/a sister. Birth place fits.
Charles Griffith 22
Roseanna Griffith 23
Mary Griffith 1
Leah Brian 20
Same census, there is an Adolphus Bates living in Frampton on Severn, as a servant in the Turner household.
Aren't these places fairly close to one another? Possibly this is how they met & married.
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O.K. all... am sooo excited!! I mentioned that I would follow up if I were to get verification.
You were CORRECT - Leah's maiden name was BRAIN & not Blane!! I was able to get Leah & Moses' daughter... who is our next in line.... her DEATH CERTIFICATE.
Low & behold.... mother's name.... Leah BRAIN!!! You are are fantastic!!
The 'good thing' was, that poor Mary Ann died in Ohio while visiting one of her sons. She was buried in New York with her husband Tom Watkins.
Leah Brain Bates & her husband, Moses Bates.... parents of Mary Ann... also, died in NY state.
Unfortunately, their records are not easy to get. I called last week to try and get information to obtain death certificate..... If they died 'at home' then records would be one place, "in hospital" another, etc. So, even though all these little 'burgs' are nestled together, there is not central place for their certificates.
Thank you, Great Grandma Mary Ann, for passing while 'vacationing' away from New York! LOL
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There is a central place for New York state vital records - http://www.health.ny.gov/vital_records/genealogy.htm. However, it is a long wait for genealogy requests - I recently received 2 records that I ordered in June, 2011.
If you have a 5-year time frame and idea of the town where the person died in New York state, you could request a look-up of the death index as described here: http://www.unyg.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/new-york-state-vital-records-microfiche-indexes-update/ I believe the index includes death records that are at least 50 years old. That look-up should give you the town where the death occurred, and you should be able to order the record directly from them.
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Thank you for the information, Shelly!
I called a few weeks ago to the local court house about getting records for their son-in-law, Thomas Watkins.. Mary Ann's husband. They were friendly but were the ones who told me how 'difficult' it was to get them if I didn't know exactly where the person died... even if it was in their county.
I will check these sites out right away. Appreciate your help!
Charlotte