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Title: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: dancing lady on Sunday 11 March 12 05:13 GMT (UK)
I have the church records for the christening of my GGGrandfather Charles TRUBSHAW at Great Waltham Essex on the 13 Nov 1808. His parents are Mary & john Trubshaw.I can find nothing more on Mary or John, no wedding, no more children & no deaths, no census. I have most info on Charles, but would like some help with his parents so I  can go one more step back.Many Thanks dancing lady Australia
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 29 September 15 07:24 BST (UK)
Ref: ancestry.com
Bethnal Green Poor Law Settlement Papers dated 22 August 1850
Charlotte Grubshaw age 29 was married to Charles Grubshaw of Great Waltham now deceased on 5 August last, on 22 September 1841, by whom she has 3 children Eliza age 6 Charles age 4 and Mary Ann age 14 months
He never knew his father who died before he was born and has no relatives that can give my patrons as to settlement.
She has heard his father was born in the old workhouse in Great Waltham.
They were coming from Spittlefields to Bethnal Green.

There is a marriage of Charles Grubshaw to Charlotte Sorrell  3rd quarter 1841 on freebmd.
He first married Hannah Gibson 7 December 1827 at Great Waltham, she was buried 25 March 1836 age 30.
Great Waltham Parish Records
Sophia daughter of Charles and Hannah Grubshaw bap 1 June 1828
William son of (ditto)  bap 15 January 1830
Sarah daughter of (ditto) bap 18 September 1831 buried 1 June 1832 age 9 months.
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 29 September 15 07:44 BST (UK)
Freebmd has the death of Charles Grubshaw as 1850 Bethnal Green.

Easter Sessions Essex Court 1832 he was sentenced to 1 year in prison for larceny.

Re previous post forgot to mention  witness to marriage re Hannah Gibson were John Gibson and Susan Kelley. Entry number 196
The marriage to Charlotte Sorrel was in the Church by banns, Charles was 35, widower, labourer,
no name except Grubshaw for his father, labourer.
Charlotte was 20, single, father John Sorrell, labourer, witnesses Simon and Susannah Sorrell.
Entry number 49 in register.   
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 29 September 15 08:10 BST (UK)
Mary Trubshaw, widow married William Bright single with consent of guardians 4 July 1813 by banns at Great Waltham (St Mary and St Lawrence Church) witnesses Thomas Tilley and Benjamin Devonish. Number 5 in the register.
This Mary would be the mother of Charles.
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 29 September 15 08:50 BST (UK)
Excellent work amondg :)

Sophia daughter of Charles and Hannah Grubshaw bap 1 June 1828
William son of (ditto)  bap 15 January 1830

1841 Census
Great Waltham, Essex
HO107/326/9/Great Waltham
Mary BRIGHT, 65, Ag Lab
Sophia GURBSHAM, 19
William Gurbsham, 11

Image is GRUBSHAW
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 29 September 15 09:01 BST (UK)
MARRIAGE;
William Grubshaw, Age:19, Brickmaker, Father CHARLES, Labourer
Mary Ann Wells, Age 19, Father WILLIAM
16 May 1853, St Philip, Bethnal Green
Borough:    Tower Hamlets

Cant find him on Census.

Sophia is hard to track on 1861 Census but there is this;
Name:    Sophia Trubshaw, abt 1827, age 40
Admission Date:   10 Feb 1867
Discharge Date:    22 Feb 1867
Borough:    Islington
Parish or Poor Law Union:    Islington
Place: London, England
Title: St John's Road Workhouse Register, 1868-1869

1851 she is in the Workhouse also;
Sophia Grubaugh, abt 1828 - Gt Waltham, Essex, England
Residence: Chelmsford, Essex
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: warncoort on Wednesday 30 September 15 02:12 BST (UK)
Folks,
My interest is Hannah Gibson,her marriage to Charles i only found yesterday when tying up loose ends.Is her death in Essex or Middlesex?
Eric
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: amondg on Wednesday 30 September 15 05:17 BST (UK)
Hannah was buried at Great Waltham in Essex
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 30 September 15 09:11 BST (UK)
Hi Eric,
Yes amondg gave you that info earlier.

"He first married Hannah Gibson 7 December 1827 at Great Waltham, she was buried 25 March 1836 age 30.
Great Waltham Parish Records"

Hi amondg,
You did a great job on this findiing that 2nd Marriage. At least other Trubshaw/Grubshaw descendants will find this info in the future :)
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: warncoort on Wednesday 30 September 15 09:30 BST (UK)
Trish,
I queried location of burial because amondg had verified the marriage at Great Waltham,but not burial,just wanting to dot i's.
Thanks amondg,one more person finalised.
Eric
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: hs on Sunday 05 March 17 20:14 GMT (UK)
We already had found them all a few years back!   ;D   I've had huge job trying to convince people that Sophia was not married when she had 7 illegitimates in the workhouse nor did she marry a William Trubshaw. Nor was her father Charles Bright!
I think i replied to a post to dancing lady 2013 letting her know and who married who but not sure if she's seen it.
Interestingly Charles Grubshaw was convicted as you say for stealing corn, but his accomplice John sorrell wasn't! I thought he may have been a brother to Charlotte?
Sophia Trubshaw  eventually married a John Nokes in Shoreditch in 1869. Interesting to see she was in Islington workhouse couple years before (perhaps another baby!)  :o

amondg I didn't know about the Bethnal Green settlement papers. Thanks.   :)  Wondering about the dates of Mary Trubshaw marriage to William Bright though as familysearch has it as 2 nov 1812 !!

But as for dancing lady's original post...still can't find anymore on Charles's father John, nor Mary's maiden name. At the time i didn't have time to search any further at ERO. Had no film...were the original parchments falling to pieces. Must go back!

Hi Eric,
Yes amondg gave you that info earlier.

"He first married Hannah Gibson 7 December 1827 at Great Waltham, she was buried 25 March 1836 age 30.
Great Waltham Parish Records"

Hi amondg,
You did a great job on this findiing that 2nd Marriage. At least other Trubshaw/Grubshaw descendants will find this info in the future :)
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: suffolk*sue on Tuesday 07 March 17 16:05 GMT (UK)
There is a burial of a John TRUBSHOE in 1803 aged 5 months,in GT Dunmow, it says son of Mary TRUBSHOE, no father mentioned. I wonder if this is the mother of Charles, who may have invented a non existent husband.
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: hs on Friday 17 March 17 17:24 GMT (UK)
oooo could well be that Mary never had a husband called John.....  ???  Maybe made up his name after having an illeg child John? Worth looking into i think  8)



There is a burial of a John TRUBSHOE in 1803 aged 5 months,in GT Dunmow, it says son of Mary TRUBSHOE, no father mentioned. I wonder if this is the mother of Charles, who may have invented a non existent husband.
Title: Re: Mary & John TRUBSHAW ........GRUBSHAW
Post by: dancing lady on Wednesday 02 August 17 08:53 BST (UK)
Just found I had never signed off on this. Than you all so much for the info you shared.