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Title: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Sunday 18 March 12 23:35 GMT (UK)
I'm doing some research on my family tree, focusing on the Roseburgh line as it's the least common name. I've gotten quite far back, about 1750, but i'm stuck on John Farquhar (born Circa 1750).

I'm looking for any information on the Farquhar line (it doesn't sound like a very Scottish name, but the two Farquhar's i have were indeed born in Scotland), if anyone could help with this i'd appreciate it.

I'd also appreciate any information on the Roseburgh's. My family consists of a lot of Robina's (an uncommon name) and a Robina Bell Dorrance Nairn Butler is also present in my family (named after the first Robina Roseburgh i have come across - there are about 4 Robina's in my family). My grandmother thought that Roseburgh was a European name (perhaps German, derived from Roseburg, Rosburg) and thought we may have emigrated, but i don't know... i'm at a loss. Any information would be greatly appreciated :D
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: Cauther Lassie on Monday 19 March 12 07:31 GMT (UK)
hello,

There are 20 Farquhar's in Fauldhouse/Whitburn, 8 in Bathgate, and 5 in Uphall, from the West Lothian Burial Records.  No Robina's amongst them, and no Roseburgh's in these areas of West Lothian.    If you have any with West Lothian links then maybe you could post the details.

regards ....  Meg
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Monday 19 March 12 18:04 GMT (UK)
According to the information i have, the Roseburgh's were mainly from the Linlithgow area. My gran (a Robina herself) was from Melrose and spent her life in Galashiels. I don't live in Scotland, i live in Wales, so access to records is difficult without paying for them and i'm not 100% sure which area the Farquhar's in my family were from, though a relative left the following message regarding Mary Farquhar (C1810 - daughter of John Farquhar) "Residing at Grange House, in parish of St Cuthberts at time of marriage. Daughter of John Farquhar manager of Flax mills at Brinsland" I'm not sure if that helps at all?

Thank you for the information :)

Rachel
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Monday 19 March 12 19:04 GMT (UK)
Hi

Firstly what are the names of the 2 Farquhars in your family and where were they born. Who were their parents?

I presume the Robina Bell Dorrance Nairn Butler you refer to is the Robina Bell Dorrance Butler, born 5/7/1862 in Blythswood Lanark. Parents Robert Blair Butler and Mary Traves. Look like you willl have to invest in some credits from www.scotlandspeople.gov uk to purchase this birth certificate. It should show you the date and place of the parents marriage. Credits are not expensive £7 will purchase 30 credits and if carefully used will give you 5 documents ( birth, death, marriage, census)

An initial look on Scotlandspeople does not show a marriage for this couple, neither does Free BMD for an English marriage. I did not try variations on the spellings of the names.

Regards
Jean

Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Monday 19 March 12 19:17 GMT (UK)
Hi again!

A likely candidate shows on the 1881 census for Scotland:-

82 High Street, Dumfries

Mary Butler, head, widow, Formerly sick nurse, aged 52 born Glasgow
James Robosn, son in law, married, Tallow Chandler, aged 22 born Dumfries
Mary Robson, daughter, married, aged 21, born Glasgow
Robina Butler, daughter, unmarried, aged 18 Tweed Weaver, born Glasgow
Fanny Butler, daughter, unmarried, nurse, aged 14, born Glasgow
Georgina Butler, daugher, unmarried, scholar, agd 12, born Glasgow

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Monday 19 March 12 20:14 GMT (UK)
A bit more:-

A search of www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk , without spending any money, reveals the death of a Mary Butler, other name TRAVERS who died in Dumfries in 1893. Birth year 1829 +/- 1year. (Birth year taken from the fact that she was 52 in 1881)

Looks like a good bet. If the informant knew her parents names then these will be shown on the death cert. It should also show that she was the widow of Robert Butler, again if the informant knew her husband's name.

Looks like you will have to invest in some credits to get these certs.

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Monday 19 March 12 22:47 GMT (UK)
Mary's surname keeps changing!

Found the marriage, eventually.

Robert Butler married Mary TRIVES 10/6/1853 in Glasgow.

Just too early for satutory records. So there probably won't be much information on the OPR.

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Monday 19 March 12 23:22 GMT (UK)
Yeah, Mary Traves name is different on the record of all of her children, i'm not sure why. The same problem is also found with my Great-Grandfather who was Thomas Mcready Roseburgh, but it's also spelled Macreadie and Macready on different papers. Mary did indeed marry Robert Blair Butler.

The two Farquhars in my family are John Farquhar (born c1750) and Mary Farquhar (born c1810) i cannot find a record of her mother. The only information i have is that Mary Farquhar resided at Grange House in the St Cuthbert's parish in Edinburgh at the time of her marriage to James Crawford and that her father was a manager of a Flax Mill in Brinsland (though i'm not sure where this is)

I do have a copy of the marriage certificate of Robina and William (which i've attached) and a few other certificates from ScotlandsPeople (a brilliant website, just wish it was free)

Thank you all for the information, it's helped fill in a few gaps!!!
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Tuesday 20 March 12 00:18 GMT (UK)
I found a death record for Mary Farquhar (Crawford at the time of her death) but i cannot read it very well, especially the name of her mother (which i still don't know) is anybody able to decipher it? I have attached it for someone who thinks they can :)

Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Tuesday 20 March 12 16:48 GMT (UK)
Hi

Mary's mother's name looks like Ann Keith to me

Regards
Jean

PS

I translate the full certificate as follows:-

Mary Crawford married to James Crawford, Gardener.
Died 1863 June 21st at 9.45 am. at Killochyett, parish of Stow.
Aged about 59 years.
Father John Farquhar, Overseer Flax Mill, deceased
Mother Ann Farquhar, m.s. Keith, deceased
Paralysis 10 days. Apoplexy, as certified by George Stockwell, physician and surgeon.
Informant to the death was James Crawford, husband
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Tuesday 20 March 12 16:53 GMT (UK)
William with his parents in 1881:-

46 Low Bkholmside, Melrose, Selkirk. (That is how it is spelled)

John  Roseburgh, head, married, groom, aged 46, born Haddington, Scotland
Margaret Roseburgh, wife, married, aged 47, born Liberton Edinburgh
James Roseburgh, son, unmarried, Wool Factory Worker, aged 18, born Edinburgh
William Roseburgh, son, unmarried, Wool Factory Worker, aged 16, born Stow, Edinburgh
Annie Crawford, Sister in Law, unmarried, Charwoman, aged 49, born Liberton, Edinburgh

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Tuesday 20 March 12 17:34 GMT (UK)
Courtesy of Freecen.

This looks like a likely candidate for John's family in 1841:-

Hardgate Street, St John s Haddington

John Roseburgh aged 40, Groom, born East Lothian
Rebecca Roseburgh aged 40, born outside of census county
Elizabeth Roseburgh, 15, born outside of census county
George Roseburgh, 13, born outside of census county
John Roseburgh, 6, born East Lothian
Jane Roseburgh, 4, born East Lothian
James Gibson, 20, joiner journeyman, born East Lothian
William Morrison, 20, joiner journeyman, born East Lothian

The father's occupation as groom is a winning factor.

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Tuesday 20 March 12 21:11 GMT (UK)
Jean, you are amazing! Thank you for all that information. I will check it out! Thank you especially for translating that document :) You're a star!
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Tuesday 20 March 12 21:48 GMT (UK)
No problem.

At a loose end when hubby is watching the football!

There's a death in Haddington East Lothian that you may care to take a look at.

Rebecca ROSBURGH (watch the spelling)in 1860

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Tuesday 20 March 12 23:52 GMT (UK)
Which website? I don't have any credits left for Scotlandspeople (Where i found one record), but i haven't been able to find anything anywhere else...
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Wednesday 21 March 12 10:34 GMT (UK)
Hi

It's on Scotlandspeople. Just watch the spelling. It's useful on SP to use an * in place of letters you are not sure of. For example when I searched for Roseburgh I typed Ros*burg*. Also for Rebecca I typed Rebec*a in case her name was spelled with only one c. It is spelled Rebecca on the death cert, but on the 1851 census it is spelled with one c!

It may be of use to view this census on SP as it should show where Rebecca was born, as the 1841 only shows that she was born out of the county. This may help to trace her birth, if you don't already know this.

Another certificate you may want to look at is the marriage of John Roseburgh and Margaret Crawford in 1858 in Stow MIDLOTHIAN. Again on SP
Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: RachelWLyon on Wednesday 21 March 12 22:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you! As soon as i can afford some credits i will check those out :) Sounds promising. I remember my gran also mentioning that somebody in our family was an artist who had paintings displayed in a gallery in Edinburgh, do you know how i found that out? I think she said it was her Grandfather who would have been either George Lyon or William Roseburgh... I'd love to see one of his paintings :)
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: jean jeanie on Wednesday 21 March 12 22:32 GMT (UK)
Good luck with your researching! Hope the various cerificates yield some information.

Can't help you with either Roseburgh or Lyon being artists. Had a quick "google" but nothing came up

Regards
Jean
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: Fiona Frances on Saturday 29 March 14 16:06 GMT (UK)
I have quite a lot of information on the Roseburgh's.  John Roseburgh was my great grandfather and lived in Galashiels with his wife Agnes White Smith.  His parents came from Haddington.

Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: Chris_t on Thursday 07 August 14 04:40 BST (UK)

I'd also appreciate any information on the Roseburgh's. My family consists of a lot of Robina's (an uncommon name) and a Robina Bell Dorrance Nairn Butler is also present in my family (named after the first Robina Roseburgh i have come across - there are about 4 Robina's in my family). My grandmother thought that Roseburgh was a European name (perhaps German, derived from Roseburg, Rosburg) and thought we may have emigrated, but i don't know... i'm at a loss. Any information would be greatly appreciated :D

Hi Rachel,
I think that ROSEBURGH may be a variation of the Irish surname ROSBOROUGH which in turn is a variation of the Scottish ROXBURGH.  The Scottish BURGH is pronounced BOROUGH as in EDINBURGH or FRASERBURGH.

My ancestor was buried in Glasgow with the surname ROSEBURGH and there is a possible connection to Linlithgow.

Regards, Christine
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: Gills on Friday 22 September 17 13:08 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I've just come across this thread.

My great great grandmother was Janet Roseburgh, she married Thomas Neillings.

I'd be interested to hear if you have found any further information esp on Janet's parents. Her mother's maiden name was Burt

Thank you

Gillian
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: Gills on Saturday 23 September 17 09:36 BST (UK)
Hope you can see the attachment and that it is of some help
Title: Re: Roseburgh/Farquhar/Butler
Post by: squirejay on Thursday 24 October 19 15:55 BST (UK)
I think we have corresponded about the Roseburgh on another thread but Robina Blair Dorrance Butler born 5th July 1862 in Glasgow, married William Crawford Roseburgh 26th Mar 1886
Her Parents were Robert Blair Butler b Jan 1820 in Dumfries and Mary Traves b 1828 in Glasgow married 10 Jun 1853 in Glasgow

squirejay