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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: curiousgeorge1 on Thursday 29 March 12 21:33 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know anything about an Ebenezer House?
I have a wedding at this location, Craighall Rd, Glasgow in 1872.
The wedding was conducted here and given as the address of the bride.
The bride's father was a sugar boiler.
The wedding was also conducted by the Episcopal Church of England. Was this common in Scotland.
The family had Irish & German connections
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Does anyone know anything about an Ebenezer House?
I have a wedding at this location, Craighall Rd, Glasgow in 1872.
The wedding was conducted here and given as the address of the bride.
The bride's father was a sugar boiler.
The wedding was also conducted by the Episcopal Church of England. Was this common in Scotland.
The family had Irish & German connections
The most common choice of place for a wedding ceremony was in the home of the bride's parents, so if that was her address, it would be just the name of the house.
As for the church, it is extremely unusual for a marriage in Scotland to be conducted by a priest of the Church of England. Episcopalians/Anglicans would normally be married by a priest of the Scottish Episcopal Church, which is in full communion with the C of E. If the celebrant was genuinely a priest of the C of E, it suggests that there may be some connection with the family.
To eliminate the possibility of a slip of the pen/brain, you could consult the book Scottish episcopal clergy 1689-2000 by David M Bertie, which is available online.
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I thought the church was unusual.
England is repeated twice: once 'according to the forms' and secondly as 'incumbent of English Episcopal Church'
Something to be followed up :)
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Shortened version of an article in the Glasgow Herald , Friday, May 27, 1870 -
Two lots of land for sale fronting Craighall Road, opposite the sugar refinery, Messrs Murdock & Doddell with the two self contained dwelling houses thereon known as Ebenezer Field House and Wester Common House.
If you have access to 19th Century Newspapers you will be able to see the full article. So it looks as if Ebenezer House/Ebenezer Field House was within the grounds of the sugar refinery.
JJ
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Thanks so much. That ties in with the father being a sugar boiler :)
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There is a semi-detached house in West Kilbride (which probably dates to about 1910) called Ebenezer. There might be more of them. I wonder the reason for the name choice?
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I thought the church was unusual.
England is repeated twice: once 'according to the forms' and secondly as 'incumbent of English Episcopal Church'
Something to be followed up :)
I'd still check with David Bertie's book. Although its official name is Scottish Episcopal Church, as children we referred to it (on the rare occasions we spoke about it at all) as the 'English kirk'.
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Here is part of the cert showing the ref to the Church of England.
Can anyone read the name of the incumbent?
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I think it's Courtney, and it does say 'English Episcopal Church, not 'Church of England'.
Can't make out the word(?s) after 'Incumbent', however.
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Thanks for this :)
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There is an article here which will probably be of interest
http://www.episcopalhistory.org.uk/10englishepiscopal.html
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What date was the marriage?
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After "Incumbent" it says "of S. Jude's". St Jude's English Episcopal Church is its proper name. It was in St Vincent Street, Glasgow, and from 1843 operated independently of the Scottish Episcopal Church. There were several "English Episcopal Churches" in Scotland at this period.
Graham
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Thanks all :)
The wedding was in August 1872.
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Confirmation of above info is in wedding announcement dated 14 August 1872 by Rev F. Courtney of St Judes Episcopal Church
John Wyse to Mary Ellen, eldest daughter of Henry Schumacker
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Thanks for this. Could I ask where you found the announcement?
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Glasgow Herald archives dated 16 August 1872, page 5 rhs half way down page
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=18720816&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
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Thank you
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So it looks as if Ebenezer House/Ebenezer Field House was within the grounds of the sugar refinery.
Spotted this at the weekend whilst searching the PO Directories on the excellent National Library of Scotland website ...
George WHYATT, manager of Murdoch & Doddrell, Port Dundas Sugar Refinery, living at Ebenezer Field, Craighall Rd, Glasgow, 1858-61.
He was also living there in the 1861 census. He died 1864.
Yes, so it looks as though Ebenezer Field was a type of "tied cottage" for an employee of the refinery.
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Any chance that Henry was the manager in 1872?
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Yes ... 1869-70 PO Directory
http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=83951990&mode=transcription
SHUMAKER, Henry, manager, Murdoch & Doddrell's sugar house ; house, 72 Craighall road.
... and ...
1871-72 PO Directory
... still looking.
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Yeh, thanks to you I have discovered the post office directories but not as fast as you :D
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1868-9, 1869-70, 1870-71, 1871-2. Under Springbank in the Suburban Section. Can't find him later, but Springbank disappears, so he may have moved or just be in a different section. (I don't know Glasgow !)
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Thank you so much.
I will keep on looking. I have completely lost them in the 1881 census so who knows. I can find some of their children but not them.
Thanks again
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curiousgeorge
Henry Schumaker pansman 9 Bruce St Greenock
... appears for just a single year in the 1858/9 Post Office Greenock Directory