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Title: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: franibead on Sunday 01 April 12 03:05 BST (UK)
Currently researching John Smart (b. abt. 1804, Dunnichen) who married Diana Oliphant (b. abt. 1803, Kincardineshire). Married 22 Nov 1828, Laurencekirk,Kincardine. Children were:

Helen Smart b. 1830, Garvock
Elizabeth Hogg Smart b. 1831, Garvock
Matilda Smart b. 1833 Logie-Pert. (my line, married James Coutts 18 June 1853, Stracathro)
Jane Barclay Smart b. 1835, Logie-Pert.
Ann Wilson Smart b. 1837, Garvock

This family has become my brick wall. Cannot find them in the 1841 or 1851 census. Would like to know who John and Diana's parents are. I'm thinking the middle names of the children (Hogg, Barclay, Wilson) may mean something but I am stuck here. If anyone has any info, or is researching these families, I would appreciate any and all help! Thanks, Fran
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: ev on Sunday 01 April 12 10:22 BST (UK)
Hi Fran

Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Scotlandspeople has a Diana Smart(other surname Oliphant) death 1879 Arbroath Angus , born c1801(can't tell if Smart or Oliphant is the maiden name  :-\ )

ev
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: ev on Sunday 01 April 12 10:26 BST (UK)
Oliphant , Diana Smart , died 2nd June 1879 , buried 5th June 1879 Arbroath Western(Cemetery)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

ev
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: ev on Sunday 01 April 12 10:59 BST (UK)
1881 14 Cross Mill Wynd St. Vigeans Forfar(shire)
John Smart 78 widower born Dunnichen Forfar(shire)
Helen Smart 50 dau. born Garnock Kincardine(Garvock ?)

John Smart death 1885 Arbroath Angus , born c1804(SP)

John Smart died 4th Jan. 1885 , buried 6th Jan. Arbroath Western(Cemetery)(DOL)

ev
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: down-under on Sunday 01 April 12 13:29 BST (UK)
Hello
1851 Parish No 320
Stracathro
Angus
Address Hillside


John Smart age 18 ?? born Dunnichen Forfarshire  farm servant
Diana wife age 48 born Arbuthnott Kincardine
Jean dau age 16 born Logie Forfarshire
Ann dau age 14 born Garvan Kincardine

Pam
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: down-under on Sunday 01 April 12 13:50 BST (UK)
1851

Parish No 304
Logie Pert Angus
address Horthwater bridge
Alexander Barclay farmer 500 acres with 4 sisters and other servants

Matilda Smart age 18 born Logie Pert servant servant out and in as required

1851 Parish no 320
Stracathro
Angus
address Smiddyhill
Alexander Lieghton farmer

Elizabeth Smart age 18 out worker born Logie Forfarshire
3 other servants

Pam
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: franibead on Sunday 01 April 12 17:17 BST (UK)
THANK YOU all so much, I am doing a happy dance here! This is the info I was looking for, been stuck on this family for several weeks. So glad to have found this site :D
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 01 April 12 22:51 BST (UK)
address Horthwater bridge

That will be Northwater Bridge

See http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1979238
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: embla on Thursday 24 November 16 04:33 GMT (UK)
Agnes Pyot relict of Alexander Barclay of Syde in Stracathro 28 April 1581
George Barclay of Syde Stracathro m Violet Halkartoune and then looks like was married to a (Katherine) Molet
Robert Barclay of Syde 1635 m Margaret Low

Andrew Leighton was also a farmer at Syde he married Janet Fairweather
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 24 November 16 09:02 GMT (UK)
Andrew Leighton was also a farmer at Syde he married Janet Fairweather

I have some information about Andrew Leighton and Janet Fairweather. They were married in 1786. Their first 5 children were baptised in Brechin and their 6th and last in Montrose. Andrew was the brother-in-law of my 2nd cousin six times removed (!) Margaret Wyllie. I do not know when they were in Syde.

There were Wyllies in Syde from at least the 1730s to the 1760s, and Margaret Wyllie or Leighton was first cousin twice removed to the first Wyllie known (or, at least, known by me) to be in Syde. This was James Wyllie, who married Agnes Bruce in 1731. Their son Andrew left Syde and moved to Fern in 1768/9.

Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: embla on Thursday 24 November 16 14:40 GMT (UK)
Hi again...pls do a search on this site for Corn Mill Stracathro...i had a chat a year or so back with a lady called Noreen who was looking for the Mill of Syde where her ancestor lived...and who was also related to the Wylies of Syde and then of Fern...she detailed all of them for me...if you cant find it i will copy and paste it all for you...but better to have it directly as she wrote it than from a 3rd party 😀


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Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 24 November 16 16:59 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Embla -  actually the long detailed list of people in that thread who lived in Syde was mine, not Noreen's. Her folk are Mitchell and Duncan in Mill of Side; mine are Wyllie, Leighton, Fairweather etc in Syde itself.

If only your message had been posted a little earlier - I drove past Syde almost exactly two hours before you posted it, and I could easily have popped in to exchange notes!
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: embla on Thursday 24 November 16 17:42 GMT (UK)
Oh no!!!
What a shame!
I have been having works done here the last 3+ years and am currently redoing the walls to the garden and the garden itself so the place is currently v visible f the road
So sorry re mix up..w noreen..and delighted w all your info...found more on barclays this morn...good sources...and interestingly someone contemporaneously called Barclay Wilson...could be a long shot but you never know
I am on FB...for easy msging emma blackburn with a pic of syde in the bckground and individ pic of my dad in the army in his beret in switzerland as my profile pic
Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: embla on Sunday 27 November 16 07:17 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have from the site Scotland's People in the registers of births:

To John Barclay & Isobel Hogg:

in the county of Kincardine:

1 october 1778 john barclay maryculter
1 october 1779 john barclay durris (don't know whether this means an error in year and double registration or whether the first john didn't survive and a second was born)
1 october 1780 margaret barclay maryculter also registered 16 september at durris
10 july 1783 robert barclay maryculter
11 april 1785 george barclay maryculter
24 may 1790 james barclay maryculter
23 may 1793 isobel & jean barclay maryculter

maybe none of these pertain to you but it is the combination of the Barclay Hogg family that made me wonder
 


Title: Re: SMART / OLIPHANT families
Post by: embla on Sunday 27 November 16 07:29 GMT (UK)
cross reference Doig family for Smart
http://www.doig.net/DAVE1620.htm