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Title: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: nmg1 on Tuesday 24 April 12 17:41 BST (UK)
Hi

Looking for info on Philip Aydon, he married Agnes Rosa Anne Smith in 1853, Victoria.  Had at least 3 children. One being Archibald Alexander who went to NZ.   He was born in England in 1826.  Can't find when he arrived  in Australia, or anything about his life there, any help would be great.

Any info on Agnes would also be  FAB.  She was born 1830 England and Died 1875 New Zealand.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 25 April 12 00:09 BST (UK)
The marriage


AYDON Philip H
To SMITH Agnes Rosa Annie
Year 1853
Reg Number 131

The only birth I can see registered to the couple in Vic.

AYDEN Samuel Frederick
Father Philip Henry
Mother Agnes Rosa Anne SMITH
Birth Place AVOCA
Year 1855
Reg Number 2237

Sue

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 25 April 12 00:43 BST (UK)
A couple of small items from newspapers about the couple.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?

Argus 11/9/1866 a box arrived from Liverpool for Mr P H AYDON per Lightning


Argus, 1856 a letter was waiting for collection for Mrs ROSA AYDON.

Frederick died in Victoria.

AYDON Fredk
Father Aydon Philip Hy
Mother Emily  SMITH
Death Place MALV E
Age 80
Year 1935
Reg Number 4736

ADDING

His wife died


AYDON  Agnes
Father Davison Wm Elgar
Mother Kath  GORMLEY
E MALV
Age 85
Year 1940
Reg Number 1012

They had children who can be listed if of interest.  There are Electoral Roll entries for this couple but as they are not your primary interest I willl not list unless requested. ;D



Sue

 
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 25 April 12 00:59 BST (UK)
Hi,

A possibility, although Philip would have been 61.

Victorian Government Gazette
List of Railway Employees July 13th 1887.

Traffic Branch
Aydon, Philip Henry.

Regards
Gerry
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 25 April 12 01:34 BST (UK)
A possible daughter ...?

A Kate Rickards (widow of Henry Rickards theatrical promoter) died in 1923 and left money to her brothers Frederick and Archibald Aydon.   

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article34251559

cheers,
   Ros

Adding : Lots of pictures and stories on trove about Henry Rickards including this photo of him and his wife H & C Rickards http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/pictoria/gid/slv-pic-aab69511/1/b23509
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 25 April 12 01:42 BST (UK)

Melbourne Directory (Sands) 1870
Aydon, Philip., 86 Park-st-west, Em. H.

Gerry
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 25 April 12 02:13 BST (UK)

Interestingly FREDERICK AYDON, on his Electoral Roll listings is  a
Theatrical Manager

He lived at 26 Kerferd Rd South Melbourne in 1903
Sue
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Wednesday 25 April 12 02:34 BST (UK)
Birth:

AYDEN Archibald b. 1856 MELBOURNE #11359
Father: Henry
Mother: Annie SMITH


This matches his age at death in NZ 1929.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 25 April 12 03:05 BST (UK)
A bit of trivia.

Mr & Mrs Archibald Aydon of Grove St Nelson NZ had triplets, all boys, born 21st May 1903, already had 7 sons.

Gerry
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 25 April 12 03:11 BST (UK)
It would be interesting to know what was the given marital status of AGNES ROSA AYDON when she died in 1875 NZ.

Would the NZ certificate give this information?

Sue

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 25 April 12 03:16 BST (UK)
Her death notice uses the term "WIFE of PHILLIP HENRY AYDON"

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NEM18750724.2.9&srpos=1&e=--1875---1875--10--1----0%22aydon%22+--


Sue

ADDING

The implication is that at the time of her death, he was at SANDRIDGE??
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 25 April 12 03:18 BST (UK)
The 24th July 1875 Nelson Evening Mail newspaper notice says 'wife of Phillip Henry Aydon of Sandridge Victoria'

Gerry
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: rosball on Wednesday 25 April 12 03:29 BST (UK)
Story about Funeral of Henry/Harry Rickards whose real name was Benjamin Henry Rickards LEETE.
Mr F Aydon, broth-in-law was a chief mourner.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15298108

cheers,
   Ros
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 25 April 12 03:32 BST (UK)
Fed Aydon's sister died at sea in 1922.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1844854?searchTerm=

Gerry
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 25 April 12 06:01 BST (UK)
Fed Aydon's sister died at sea in 1922. GERRY

Just to clarify here.

This is KATE RICKARDS who has alredy been mentioned on the thread.

Kate Rickards (widow of Henry Rickards theatrical promoter) died in 1923 and left money to her brothers Frederick and Archibald Aydon.     ROS

She died in Sept 1922.
The news item in 1923 is regarding her will and its bequests.

Miss O. AYDON (Olive) aged 36, the neice of KATE and the dau. of FREDERICK  is also on the passenger list and is mentioned in the text linked by GERRY.

Sue
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: nmg1 on Wednesday 25 April 12 17:21 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone

Thanks for all that info. I new a little bit about Katie and Frederick, but what you have found made very interesting reading.

Philips parents were Isaac Aydon and Maria Ann Robinson born and died England.
Agnes parents were John Thomas Smith and Emily Rington know that they were born in England not sure about deaths yet, still working on that one.

Still trying to find when Archibald went to NZ if any one can point me in the direction of a good website that would be great. He married May Jane Woodward, and had 14 children. Of the triplet boys only one lived to aultdhood.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: dksearch on Tuesday 14 August 12 19:43 BST (UK)

I am abit belated in the posts but have only just come across the postings. Hope this will add to what others have already given.  :)

PHILIP HENRY AYDON:
Born 16 Sept 1826 in Wakefield and Christened 31 Aug 1828 at the Sankey Street Presbyterian, Warrington,
Lancashire. Philip was christened with his sister Mary Ann, and brothers John R and James G.by the Rev. ER
Dimock. The family were living in Wakefield, Yorkshire at the time.
He married AGNES ROSA ANNIE SMITH 05 Sep 1853 in The Eagle Hawk
Gully, Bendigo, Melbourne, Australia, daughter of JOHN SMITH and EMILY RINGTON. She was born 1833 in
West Brommage, England.
Philip's parents:
ISAAC AYDON was born 02 Nov 1802 in Wakefield, Yorkshire, England, and died 25 Jan
1859. He married MARIA ANNE ROBINSON 29 May 1823, daughter of ROBINSON and MAY. She was born
1797 in Warrington, Lancashire, England.

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: nmg1 on Wednesday 15 August 12 15:29 BST (UK)
Hi dk Search

Thanks for the info it has added to what I have managered to find.

Would you know when he arrived in Australia or at least be able to point me in the right diretion for a good web site to start looking.

Cheers  :D
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: dksearch on Thursday 16 August 12 19:10 BST (UK)
Sorry I too have been trying to pin down just when Philip came over to Australia - I am pretty sure it was during a gold rush in South Australia but that is all I know.
I would love to know when his wife Agnes moved to Nelson.
Also re Katie Aydon - I don't think Philip and Agnes had a daughter.
My mother can't ever recall hearing about her.
Fred was a theatre manger and worked for Harry Rickard's (whose was I believe was from England) and I think the idea of making Katie a local girl may have been invented between them. I have found a illegitimate birth record in Australia listing the mother as Agnes Anne Rose Smith but have misplaced the details, will try and find them and post them for you. Could be the reason for Philip and Agnes's split.
Other stuff:
Mr & Mrs Archibald Aydon of Grove St Nelson NZ had triplets, all boys, born 21st May 1903, already had 7 sons.
Sadly only one of the boys survived. Mary also had stillborn triplets (all girls) but they were not recorded.
I have only found twin in the both the Woodward and Aydon family trees.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Friday 17 August 12 02:26 BST (UK)
Also re Katie Aydon - I don't think Philip and Agnes had a daughter.
My mother can't ever recall hearing about her.

The link to details of Katie RICKARDS' will is given in post #5 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article34251559

"The testatrix directed a sum of money to be set aside for investment, the income to be paid to her brothers Frederick Aydon and Archibald Aydon for life."

She also gave bequests to her AYDON nieces and nephews.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Friday 17 August 12 03:47 BST (UK)
The marriage in Lancashire in the December quarter 1880

LEETE, Benjamin Harry         Chorlton    8c   1025    
RICKARDS, Benjamin Harry L      Chorlton    8c   1025
    
ROSCOW, Kattie         Chorlton    8c   1025

Her obit says "She was born in Roscoe, New Zealand"

The 1881 census at Islington, London gives her age as 22 and her birthplace as Melbourne, Australia.

Daughter Noni's birth was registered in the December quarter 1880 in Plymouth, Devon.

Debra  :)

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 17 August 12 07:29 BST (UK)
Quote
I too have been trying to pin down just when Philip came over to Australia - I am pretty sure it was during a gold rush in South Australia but that is all I know.
dksearch

Surely you mean the gold rush in Victoria.  He was married in 1853 at Eaglehawk [Bendigo] so was in the thick of the action ;)  If he arrived prior to 1852 you may not find a passenger record. i cannot find the AYDON/AYDEN name on any of my resources.   Many immigrants were listed as X number of males or females in steerage. 

Quote
I have found a illegitimate birth record in Australia listing the mother as Agnes Anne Rose Smith but have misplaced the details
dksearch

I cannot find an illegitmate birth in Australia c1859 for a female with mother's name you have mentioned. However the identical name is the mother of this BRADSHAW birth - the only one to the couple on the indexes.

BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857

However this child died aged 7 weeks in the same year.  Does however make me wonder if the mother was Philip Henry's wife.  The birth certificate would given details about the mother eg her age and place of birth and if there had been any previous births to the marriage.  I can find no other details for this Agnes on the Aus records.

I found a Philip M AYDON [corrected to H by a subscriber to ancesty.uk] on the 1861 census living at 74 Church Place, Grappenhall, Cheshire.  He was the only person at the address and listed as 34 years, head, gentleman born Wakefield, Yorkshire.  Next door at 72 was a Maria AYDON, 60 years, Visitor, Married, Landed proprietor born Warrington, Lancashire. Could this be your Philip Henry and his mother Maria?  If so, perhaps he and Agnes had separated by this time.

1841 census
Living at King Street, Warrington, Lancashire
AYDON Isaac  39 years  Not born county
AYDON Maria  41 years  School mistress  Born county
AYDON Mary  17 years  Not born county
AYDON Philip  15 years  Not born county
AYDON James  13 years  Not born county

Reply#10 - link to Agnes's death notice mentions the sons as Frederick and Archibald R scow.  I wonder if Katie was used a second given name as her surname :-\.  It would appear if her age was correct on the 1881 census, she was born c1859.

Details of will listed for probate
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q3t/

I was hoping Kate’s age would be on her MI at Waverley so we could confirm her year of birth. 

Waverley Anglican, Section 7 Vaults, Row 1, Grave#854,855

RICKARDS…….?
9 Sep 1892
Son of Harry & Kate Rickards
8 yrs 11 mths
Mourn not for me mother, father & sisters

RICKARDS …….?
13 Oct 1911  65 years
Husb of Kate Rickards

Kate RICKARDS
17 Dec 1922
Who died aboard the R.M.S Ormonde on the voyage to
Australia.  Interred at sea.  Wife of Harry Rickards & mother of
Noni, Sydney & Madge


Perhaps the signatures on the 1853 marriage cert and hopefully, if Agnes registered the 1859 birth, could be compared. 

You need some certificates to validate this speculative research :)

Cando

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Friday 17 August 12 07:32 BST (UK)
This one says:

 "Mrs. Rickards was born at Nelson, New Zealand, her maiden name being ROSCOE, and in her youth she was an expert acrobat and trapeze performer, and toured the world repeatedly before making her home with Mr. Rickards in Sydney in 1888."

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16032916?searchTerm=kate%20aydon&searchLimits=

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 17 August 12 07:45 BST (UK)
Wonder why Archibald had what appeared to be a 2nd given name R*scow and yet he died as Archibald Alexander AYDON?  Aaagh these families that keep changing their names ::) ::)

1929/9990
AYDON Archibald Alexander 73 years

Quote
She was born 1830 England and Died 1875 New Zealand

Seems to have lost 5 years...should be 45 years of age if born c1830.

1875/4529   
AYDON   Agnes Rosa Annie    40 years

Do you have any certificates for this family?

This one says:

 "Mrs. Rickards was born at Nelson, New Zealand, her maiden name being ROSCOE, and in her youth she was an expert acrobat and trapeze performer, and toured the world repeatedly before making her home with Mr. Rickards in Sydney in 1888."

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16032916?searchTerm=kate%20aydon&searchLimits=

Debra  :)

No mention that she married in the UK but odd that Katie thought she was born in Melbourne on the 1881 census.  I wonder who are noted as her parents on the 1880 marriage certificate?

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 17 August 12 07:47 BST (UK)
Apologies Debra...I took your summary info without reading all the snippet.

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 17 August 12 07:50 BST (UK)
Kate
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/167148568?q=%22kate+leete%22&c=picture&versionId=182149795

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Friday 17 August 12 08:05 BST (UK)
Yes, it would be interesting to see who she said her father was when she married.

Even if she was an adopted daughter I find it unusual that dksearch's family knew nothing of her when she was so well known and left considerable bequests to Frederick and Alexander.

I take the R..SCOW name in Agnes's death notice as being a surname for both Frederick and Archibald  ???

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 17 August 12 08:22 BST (UK)
Perhaps Agnes's death certificate would help however it will only give the number of female and male children - no names.

Mmmm  The R scow surname....I wonder why both Archibald and Frederick have the surname AYDON in their death registrations.  Frederick was always referred to Frederick AYDON in his role as theatre manager with his brother in law.

There are no ROSCOW or ROSCOE births with Agnes as a mother in NZ.

Oh for some certs ::) ;D

Cando



 
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 17 August 12 10:14 BST (UK)
It would appear that Archibald's life wasn't at all like his brothers.  He is referred to as Archibald AYDON, no ROSCOW.

Archibald’s bankruptcy 26 May 1885 - occupation journeyman bootmaker.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q44/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q46/

Files for Archibald on
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

Cheers
Cando


Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: dksearch on Friday 17 August 12 19:17 BST (UK)
I am not sure why the name 'ROSCOW' has been connected to either Archibald Alexander Aydon or his brother Frederick Aydon. Their parents were Philip Henry Aydon and Agnes Rosa Annie Smith and therefore their surname was Aydon.

Katie Rickard nee Roscow is the problem?

Never take as gospel all that is recorded in census records - (as Dr House would say "everyone is a liar")

(Her obit says "She was born in Roscoe, New Zealand")  posted by Dundee

Never heard of a place called 'Roscoe' in New Zealand?

When Agnes Aydon nee Smith died it is only her sons that are listed in the newspaper clipping of her death - no mention of Katie??

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NEM18750724.2.9&srpos=1&e=--1875---1875--10--1----0%22aydon%22+--

The Rickards and the (Australia) Aydon's seem to be very close but can't find a birth in Nelson, NZ or Melbourne, Aus  for Katie/Kattie Aydon.  [Anyone find one I will give them ten pounds!  ;)]

Re:
BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857

Can we say for sure this is not an illegitimate birth?
Could this have been the reason for the end of the marrage between Agnes and Philip? And the reason she went to New Zealand?

Questions, questions.....
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Saturday 18 August 12 01:14 BST (UK)
Unfortunately not all births were registered and as both Debra and I have commented, Katie's marriage cert may provide more information.

Yes interesting there is no mention of Katie in Agnes's death notice previously linked by Sue,  but I bet the 'brothers' were more than willing to accept the bequest from Katie's estate ;) ;D  Of course information in death notices is not always correct just as information on death certs is not always accurate eg Agnes's age should have been 45 years not 40.    I have a number of death notices of my ancestors and not all the family were mentioned.

I don't know how anyone can research a family without purchasing a few certificates along the way....just my two bob's worth ;D

I assume you are aware you can purchase images of Victorian certs online and immediately download for AUD$20. You mentioned you had found an illegitimate birth previously....perhaps when you locate it in your papers you could post the info please.

Have you searched in NZ for Agnes and Archibald's arrival?  I was fortunate to find some of my OH's rellies arriving in NZ but no passenger records leaving Aus.

Hopefully some more info will be found about Philip H.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 18 August 12 06:27 BST (UK)
The two news articles, one saying that Katie was born in Roscoe and the other saying her maiden name was Roscoe are a good example of how information can get muddled when it is passed on.

I was thinking that apart from the possibility that she was adopted, she was more likely to be Philip's daughter, but not Agnes's.  She clearly considered Frederick and Archibald to be her brothers.  I have also seen many death notices where only some of the deceased's children were mentioned.

I am also interested in the fact that Katie was very young when she travelled to England (if she was indeed born in NZ or Australia) and subsequently married. 

Well, about here I was going to say that the only mention that I can find of a Katie who was a trapeze artist is the ANGELL siblings in "Lottie's Royal Magnet Troupe", but it seems that they weren't siblings at all.....

Kate Rickards was born Kate Roscow, in Melbourne, and spent some of her childhood years in Nelson, New Zealand. At the age of eleven she was apprenticed to Lottie D’Aste and Victor Angell of Lottie’s Royal Magnet Troupe during their 1873 tour. As Katie Angell, she was promoted as ‘the youngest and most beautiful trapeze performer in the world’. In 1880 she married a British performer, Harry Rickards, at Chorlton in Manchester. The new Mrs Rickards took her husband’s birth name, Leete, as her stage name. The Rickards-Leete Combination toured Australasia in 1885-86, opening in Melbourne in Bric-a-Brac.

http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/imageservices/tag/katie-angell/

Fabulous photo.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 18 August 12 06:56 BST (UK)
Lottie's Troupe arrived in NZ in Jan 1873, and came back to Australia in July 1873 on the Hero.

Miss Lottie ANGELL
Miss Kate ANGELL
Mr Victor ANGELL
Mr Frank ANGELL

Katie's first performance with the Troupe was in October 1873 in Sydney.  This seems to indicate that they picked her up while touring NZ.

Lottie and her "cousin/brother" Victor were married at Ballarat in December 1873 - her name was Charlotte ARMSTRONG, his was Richard Swift POTTER.

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WCT18731213.2.18&srpos=8&e=01-01-1860-31-12-1880--10--1----0lottie+angell--

He accidentally drowned in 1874.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5866820?searchTerm=VICTOR%20ANGELL&searchLimits=l-decade=187

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Saturday 18 August 12 10:27 BST (UK)
She was in Melbourne with the troupe in 1872.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q4w/

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 19 August 12 04:49 BST (UK)
The friends of Frederick and Archibald ROSCOW are respectfully informed that the funeral of their late mother....

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=NEM18750724.2.14.3&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2archibald+roscow--

I would suggest that the children used the name of Katie's father, Mr ROSCOW and were not known as AYDON until after their mother's death. 

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 19 August 12 05:09 BST (UK)

Re:
BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857

Can we say for sure this is not an illegitimate birth?
Could this have been the reason for the end of the marrage between Agnes and Philip? And the reason she went to New Zealand?

Questions, questions.....


A copy of that birth cert should give enough details for the mother to be able to confirm whether this is your Agnes.  This child died in 1859 aged 1 month.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Sunday 19 August 12 07:41 BST (UK)
Nelson Evening Mail.....Is this F. ROSCOW Hon. Sec. your Frederick?  Advertisments over a number of years have this name.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q5l/

There is also mention of a Mrs Roscoe in 1874 on a passenger list to Wellington in the same paper.

Info available on birth certs in Vic in an earlier post.  Perhaps I should have given the link to purchase
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Quote
BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857

However this child died aged 7 weeks in the same year.  Does however make me wonder if the mother was Philip Henry's wife.  The birth certificate would given details about the mother eg her age and place of birth and if there had been any previous births to the marriage.  I can find no other details for this Agnes on the Aus records.
Cando

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!

 Sir Walter Scott

Getting back to the OP's request....info on Philip Henry AYDON

One record in a Melbourne directory but is it him?  There was a Philip AYDON in South Aus connected with the railways but noted as an apprentice. 

Was Philip AYDON on the 1861 census...did he remain in England?  There are a number of Philip AYDON deaths....bearing in mind he is noted as Henry AYDON on Archibald birth registration.

Quote
I found a Philip M AYDON [corrected to H by a subscriber to ancesty.uk] on the 1861 census living at 74 Church Place, Grappenhall, Cheshire.  He was the only person at the address and listed as 34 years, head, gentleman born Wakefield, Yorkshire.  Next door at 72 was a Maria AYDON, 60 years, Visitor, Married, Landed proprietor born Warrington, Lancashire. Could this be your Philip Henry and his mother Maria?  If so, perhaps he and Agnes had separated by this time.


Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Aussie1947 on Sunday 19 August 12 08:34 BST (UK)
Hi,

There were unclaimed letters being held at the Melbourne GPO 30th November 1852 for a P. H. Aydon, Melbourne.

This may indicate that P.H. Aydon was in Melboune by that date.

Regards
Gerry
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Sunday 19 August 12 08:47 BST (UK)
1866  P.H.Aydon, parcel on the LIGHTNING from Liverpool
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q5o/

Candp
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Sunday 19 August 12 08:59 BST (UK)
Quote
Melbourne Directory (Sands) 1870
Aydon, Philip., 86 Park-st-west, Em. H.

Gerry

The Argus Tuesday 15 November 1870

Missing friends, messages, etc.

BEECHWORTH.- Advertiser for address of W. D. BANKS, write to Aydon, 64 Park-street east, Emerald-hill.


Same street but different number.

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Sunday 19 August 12 09:03 BST (UK)
Bearing in mind Philip Henry was noted as Henry on Archibald's birth reg...and leaving no stone unturned :)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0q5p/
The Argus Monday 30 July 1888

VICTORIAN RAILWAYS CLERICAL ASSOCIATION.

An adjourned meeting of the Victorian Railway Clerical Association was held at the Prince's Bridge Hotel on Friday, Mr. W. U. Ritchie being in the chair. The following elections took place :-President, Mr. W. Walker (engineers' branch) ; vice-presidents, Mr. R. Anderson (traffic branch), Mr. W. G. Ritchie (accountants' branch), members of council, Messrs. H Aydon,.........


Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: rosball on Sunday 19 August 12 09:43 BST (UK)
On www.naa.gov.au there is a discussion/dispute/query about the trusts of the will of Benjamin Henry Leete, deceased in  1925
item .A10071, 1925/3


The people concerned are:
AYDON Frederick
MAAS Harry Rickard, MAAS Noni Rickards, MAAS Dorothy
HARWOOD Harry
etc
versus
LEETE John Charles
BROADBENT Madge Adelaide Rickards
etc

The document has not been digitised but it is tempting to think that it may be a dispute and that the people concerned were required to establish their relationships etc.

regards,
   Ros
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Sunday 19 August 12 10:59 BST (UK)
There are numerous news items about both the husband Benjamin LEETE aka Harry RICKARD and wife's Katie's estates and issues.  Their dau Noni Rickards MAAS died in 1921 and Katie in 1922.

Index of Wills and Probate in the UK
1913
LEETE Benjamin Henry (commonly known as RICKARDS Harry) of Sydney New South Wales died 13 Oct 1911 at 3878 London-road Thornton Heath surrey  Probate Sydney to John Charles Leete  Frederick Aydon and Kate Richards Leete.  Effect £12722.16s.7d. in England.  Sealed London 9 July.

It would be good if we could help the OP with her search for information on Philip Henry AYDON afterall that was his/her request.

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Tuesday 28 May 13 11:01 BST (UK)
Philip Henry Aydon was employed as a tally clerk in Dept 192 of the Victorian Railways from 1 July 1878 until he resigned on 30 April 1891. He had previously been employed by the Hobson Bay Railways - he appealed to the Victorian Parliament sometime during his employment there (don't have the date to hand). His son, Frederick, was also employed by Victorian Railways.
When Agnes died in Nelson her husband's address was give as Sandridge, the old name for Port Melbourne. I have never been able to find a death certificate for Philip Henry - he was my great great grandfather.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Thursday 30 May 13 01:46 BST (UK)
Continuing P. H. Aydon:
He appealed to the Victorian Parliament (Parliamentary Debates Vol. 67, 1991, pages 1821-4) because his name had been omitted from the list of permanent employees of the Hobson Bays Railway Co. when it was taken over by the Victorian government in 1878. It appears that it may have affected his retirement - perhaps a pension - in some way. He would have been aged around 65 by then. Interestingly he (called Henry Aydon here) was described as follows- 'He was one of these mild-tempered Englishmen who were not aggressive enough to assert their rights.' (page 1822).

Other facts listed on his Vict. Railway records - his marital status is given as a widower, and there is another comment St. 20.9.65? - perhaps a reference to when he began working for the Hobson Bay Rail. Co.
He must have been working for them when Agnes died in 1875 because it shows her husband, Philip Henry Aydon, as living in Sandridge then (a terminus of the Hobson Bay Rail. Co.). There is no suggestion on her death cert. that she ever remarried, or presumably P.H. either unless his second wife had died also).

Henry/Philip (seems to have used both names at different times) and Agnes were married in Eagle Hawk Gully on the outskirts of modern Bendigo - a major goldfield in 1853. I visited there a few years ago - the bottom of the gully is now a park. Archibald was born in Ballarat, and Frederick in Acoca, so the family must have moved from one Victorian goldfield to the next during the 1850s.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Friday 31 May 13 02:20 BST (UK)
Hi nmg1
I tried replying to your message but not sure if it was sent. I'm descended through the same line as you, but I'm not doing any family history research at present - just saw this site when trying to get Aydon info for a rellie - and decided to add in what I know. I do have recent images of Eagle Hawk Gully if you'd like to give me an email address to send them to (I received your message ok just couldn't seem to reply).
 
To descendants of Frederick - I'm not surprised at the theatre involvement - it seems to have been a family thing. Back in the 70s I met some of Philip Henry's granddaughters and they had been involved in vaudeville in Nelson when young. Frederick did work for the Victorian railways (1881-1895) after he returned to Melbourne from Nelson (1881 aboard the Te Anau), before he became involved in theatre.

I'm afraid this is the limit of my knowledge on Philip Henry, except what is listed on other sites regarding his birth, and his father and grandfather, the 2 Isaacs. I only discovered the above when spending time in Melbourne a few years ago.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 31 May 13 05:50 BST (UK)
Since this thread I have helped 'someone' either offline or on another family history forum....possibly about James Benjamin BRADSHAW.  I've read this thread again and this is what I have in some scrawled notes. I've attempted to make it 'readable' Whoever I was helping had a couple of certificates.

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AYDEN Archibald b. 1856 MELBOURNE #11359
Father: Henry
Mother: Annie SMITH
Merlin

James BRADSHAW was the informant on Archibald's birth certificate.  He stated that Henry was a storekeeper.  Birth was Ballarat Street, Melbourne not Ballarat. 
The question was raised was James BRADSHAW the father.  The person I was helping thought so.

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BRADSHAW Rosa Emily
Father James Benjamin  Mother Agnes Rosa Annie SMITH
At North Melbourne  1859  Reg#857
Cando

Birth 1858.  Agnes Rosie Annie BRADSHAW nee SMITH was the informant on Rosa's birth certificate - 24 born Birmingham,two children living, married Bendigo Goldfields 1854.  The father was James Benjamin BRADSHAW, gold assayer, 30 years born South Africa.

Tuesday 13 September 1853.
CHRISTENINGS
In St.George's Cathedral in this City by the Very Rev the Dean of Cape Town,
Sept 9
A daughter of Mr. James Benjamin BRADSHAW, baptised Hannah Elizabeth Mary.

DEATHS
July 11 Hannah Eliza Mary, daughter of Mr. James Benjamin BRADSHAW, aged 13
months

I have no other information.  The above suggests to me that Philip Henry and Agnes parted ways quite early in their marriage and Agnes moved in with James Benjamin BRADSHAW and Archibald and Rosa were his children.

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 31 May 13 06:43 BST (UK)
Looking at recent information....

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Archibald was born in Ballarat, and Frederick in Acoca, so the family must have moved from one Victorian goldfield to the next during the 1850s.
Rosannel

Archibald was born in Melbourne and Frederick in Avoca so they moved from Avoca to Melbourne unless Agnes had left him and as she was occupying the same residence/premises in Ballarat Road, Melbourne as James BRADSHAW in 1856.

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AYDEN Archibald b. 1856 MELBOURNE #11359
Father: Henry
Mother: Annie SMITH
Merlin

And who was Katie's ROSCOW's father?   Mentioned born Melbourne c1871 but there is no birth registration.  Possibly Agnes had more than two partners.

Cando

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Friday 31 May 13 08:05 BST (UK)
Thank you Cando - the info I had was Ballarat ?, Melbourne and I thought this was just the way it was written. But Ballarat Street certainly explains the anomaly, and Archibald always gave his birthplace as Melbourne.  I do have Henry's occupation as a miner on my version of the certificate.

Perhaps, as you mentioned, Agnes had already left him. As a descendent of Archibald, born with the surname Aydon, and told the Aydon family stories when young, it comes as a complete shock to think he may not have been Henry's son.

Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Friday 31 May 13 11:01 BST (UK)
I had typed up the following post and the red warning message appeared as I posted...I can see you have posted a reply....yes I can understand your shock but why on earth would James BRADSHAW inform the registrar of Archibald's birth and name Philip Henry as Henry and Agnes Rosa Ann SMITH as Annie. I can only post the information as was given to me.  I do not have the certificates.  There won't be versions of certificates.  Perhaps have another look at your copy...it should have Ballarat Street, Melbourne and informant James BRADSHAW

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0uax/
Timaru Herald  24 Nov 1882 - mention of a James Benjamin BRADSHAW.

Now I realise I am repeating information I posted previously....but just found the Master and Mates Certificate and putting things in chronological order

1841 Census HO107/54/4
Living at Warrington, Warrington, West Derby Lancs.
AYDON Isaac  35  Not born county
AYDON Maria  41  School mistress  Born county
AYDON Mary 17  Not born county
AYDON Philip  15  Not born county
AYDON James 13  Not born county

Perhaps Philip H AYDON was at sea between the 1841 and 1851 census :-\

UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
AYDON Philip Henry
Estimated Age 25
Born   15 Sep 1826
Place    Wakefield, Yorkshire
Issued 28 Mar 1851
Issue Port London
Certificate Number 55.052

The certificates states he has been an ?app seaman and mate for 9 years in the British Merchant Service in the foreign trade.

If this is the correct Philip then he possibly arrived Australia as ship's crew.

1851 Census  HO107/2203/654/8
Living at Paragon Place, Grappenhall, Warrington
ROBINSON May  Head  Widow 89  House proprietor  Born Lancashire, Warrington
AYDON Maria A  Dau  Married  50  School mistress      Born Lancashire, Warrington
AYDON Isaac  Son in law Married  48   Born Yorkshire, Wakefield
AYDON Mary  Grandaughter  Unmarried  28   At Home   Born Yorkshire, Wakefield
TWISS Lydia  Sister  68  House proprietor   Born Lancashire, Warrington

and next door
 
EDLESTON Richard  Head Unmarried  60  Gentleman  Born Lancashire, Warrington
EDLESTON Rachel  Sister Unmarried  50  Housekeeper Born Lancashire, Warrington

Deaths Mar 1859   
AYDON Isaac  Warrington 8c/104


Did he return to England before or following the birth of Archibald and Rosa or were there two gentleman of the same name born the same place :-\ :-\

1861 Census  RG9/2797/65/74
Living at 74 Church Place Grappenhall, Warrington Lan
AYDON Philip H  Head  Widow  34 years  Gentleman  Born Wakefield, Yorkshire

and next door

EDLESTON Rachel Head  63 Unmarried   Born Warrington, Lancashire
AYDON Maria A  Vistor  Widow  60 years   Born Warrington, Lancashire

1871 RG10/3908/9/9
Living at 9 Church Place, Latchford, Warrington Lan
AYDON Maria A  Head  Widow 70 years  School mistress  Born Warrington, Lancashire
and servant Mary GRAHAM.

Deaths Mar 1879
AYDON Maria Ann  78 years  Kensington  1a/113

Did Philip consider himself a widower because his wife had left him?

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Saturday 01 June 13 02:39 BST (UK)
Cando, I didn't explain myself very well previously. My 'version' was something I'd typed up c25 yrs ago from a photocopy of Archibald's birth cert. I've hardly looked in my genealogy boxes in the intervening years, but last night I ferreted around and found the photocopy. And yes, with the help of a magnifying glass it is Ballarat Street (looks more like Shub), Jms B Bradshaw, occupier, is the informant a month later when Archibald's birth is registered. Henry is definitely recorded as a miner (whoever provided you with info about him being described as storekeeper on it (above) gave you incorrect info.) Notwithstanding, Henry doesn't appear to have been around.

I can see there might be reasons for James not acknowledging Archibald as his son - he was married, or they were keeping up appearances (if this was an issue in Melbourne at that time). But James certainly was happy to acknowledge paternity in 1859. Based on this, for the moment at least, I will still assume the cert. to be correct and Henry was the father.

Thank you for the info regarding Philip Henry's career as a sailor; this was completely new to me and explains a lot of things (it must be him surely as everything matches up). As does the 1861 census. It's interesting that he's listed as a gentleman - did he do well from his father's will? I doubt if he made money from gold mining. He couldn't have been too well off to be back working in Oz by the 1870s. I wonder if he returned to England after he retired and that's why we can't find a death cert.
It's difficult to make sense of this couple - Agnes sounds like she was a tough cookie, but I guess she was just trying to survive the best she could.

I also have a photocopy of the marriage cert. for 1853. Somewhere above I saw Agnes' mother's name as Emily Rington. On this cert. it says Emily Ringrose.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Sunday 02 June 13 01:16 BST (UK)
I have looked my scrawled notes again.   PHA was noted as a storekeeper on a document.  I just have birth cert noted.  Could it be Frederick's?  You would have to check as I don't have any certs just info.  Wonder who was the informant?  Not at all unusual for a birth to be registered a month after the event.   Wonder who was the informant on the BRADSHAW birth ?

If Katie RUSCOW was born Melbourne then there is no registration.

Occupation 'gentleman' on the census in that era could also be unemployed.  I wouldn't read too much into it.

When I have a spare moment I will have another look at the directories.   

I also wonder if Mr Henry Aydon who was noted as a railway apprentice in South Australia is the same Henry AYDON employed by the Victorian Railways ie not your Philip Henry AYDON? 

Just some random thoughts to consider

Cando :)
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Monday 03 June 13 05:34 BST (UK)
Thank you for that info. I've realised after seeing a Mr and Mrs Aydon arriving in Hobart in 1862 that there seem to be other Aydon families in Australia. Next time I'm in Melbourne I'll try and check out the Henry Aydon from Victoria railways just in case, as you mention, he isn't our one.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Monday 03 June 13 13:05 BST (UK)
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As does the 1861 census. It's interesting that he's listed as a gentleman - did he do well from his father's will? I doubt if he made money from gold mining. He couldn't have been too well off to be back working in Oz by the 1870s. I wonder if he returned to England after he retired and that's why we can't find a death cert.
It's difficult to make sense of this couple - Agnes sounds like she was a tough cookie, but I guess she was just trying to survive the best she could.

Wills and Probate Index
1859 
AYDON Isaac  28 June
The Will of Isaac Aydon of Latchford in the county of Chester Gentleman deceased who died 25 Feb 1859 at Latchford aforesaid was proved at Chester by the oath of Maria Ann Aydon of Latchford aforesaid Wid the Relict and sole Executrix.  Effects under £300.

I now wonder if HPA had possibly returned to England prior to the birth of Archibald and Rosa Emily BRADSHAW?  Perhaps HPA was asked to come home...?father's illness :-\. 
Isaac did not have an occupation on the 1841 or 1851 census and both he and Maria had moved in with her mother. I think that it is most odd that James B BRADSHAW was the informant on Archibald's birth certificate. 

Why didn't Agnes register Alexander's birth even if her husband was gone?

Did Agnes register Rosa Emily's birth?  Was James BRADSHAW actually the father or just named by her?  Who was the informant on Rosa's death certificate?

Why did HPA call himself a widower on the 1861 census?  I think this is an important point because he wasn't a widower so what other information did he give that wasn't accurate.

You can search for his death in England here however he doesn't show on any census after 1861.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

More questions than answers.

Cando :)

 
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Monday 22 January 18 05:52 GMT (UK)
Years out of date, but I've found a death notice for Phillip/Henry in the Argus, Melbourne, on 8 May 1893, that states that Phillip Henry Aydon, aged 66, late of Victoria railways, died aboard the steamship Hohenstaufen en route to Southhampton on 12 February 1893. (Via Trove, Aus newspapers). Can't find a death certificate for him though.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: cando on Saturday 27 January 18 03:47 GMT (UK)
The death would have been registered in the UK as death at sea.

The National Archives

AYDON P H
Death Mar 1893
Country    Great Britain
Reported date    1893
Archive reference    BT 334   Box    0007

There are two entries in registers but no further information.  Just AYDON and Hohenstaufen in one and P H AYDON in the other.

Cando
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Saturday 27 January 18 03:50 GMT (UK)
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: dksearch on Monday 05 February 18 02:18 GMT (UK)
Thanx very much Cando and Rosanna - you have done some amazing research.
My mother and I have both had our DNA done and I am sure that I don't any connection to the Aydon's above Philip Henry Aydon. I have messaged someone on the Walsh side of the Aydon family to see if they have done their DNA or would be interested in having it done, to put to rest the question of Archibald's father. Not yet received a reply yet.
I found an article about Katie Roscoe who was described as the half sister of Frederick and Archibald so am now sure of that connection. But would love to find out more of their mother Agnes Rose Annie Smith.
Title: Re: Philip Henry AYDON
Post by: Rosannel on Sunday 11 February 18 22:39 GMT (UK)
Two days after Agnes died on 24 July 1875 her death certificate shows that she was the wife of PH Aydon of Sandridge, Melbourne, not a gold miner somewhere in Victoria. So she and/or her sons knew of his whereabouts at the time of her death, although the boys, still calling themselves Roscow, were presumably not aware that he may have been their father.
From looking through various Nelson newspapers, it appears that Frederick changed his name to Aydon 3 years later in 1878, and Archibald the following year. When Archibald married in 1881 he gave his father's name as Philip Henry, and called one of his sons (I think the firstborn) Philip. So he evidently believed PH to be his father. When Frederick married in Melbourne in 1883, it was noted in local newspapers that he was the eldest son of PH Aydon of Emerald Hill - 'eldest son of' not just 'son of'. So he also seems to have believed Archibald to be PH's son, and presumably so did Philip Henry, who was obviously in contact with him.
So it seems that only Agnes knew the truth. I think comparison of DNA tests of descendants of PH's siblings with ours might give the best answer. Probably not Frederick's because his paternity could also be in doubt - Agnes gave birth to him a few months after marrying PH.