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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: grandpa on Friday 20 May 05 14:47 BST (UK)
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Hello I am searching for Walton Harry Euston born c1880 in Tryddyn to William Euston (veterinary surgeon) and Mary Euston nee Newton. Walton moved to Aust in about 1904 & married Ella Gertrude Smith in 1917. They had 3 children (1920, 1923, 1927) before Walton died in Melbourne on 6.1.1930. I was wondering if anyone knows of a register of Veterinary surgeons in about the 1870's??? Any help however tenuous would be greatly appreciated.
With Kindest Regards Peter Euston
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Hi Peter,
there are no Eustons at all in Wales in 1881.
Looking for William Euston in 81 in England gave 9 results:
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1. William EUSTON - Son Birth: <1876> Buxhall, Suffolk, England
2. William EUSTON - Son Birth: <1880> Clifton, Cumberland, England
3. William EUSTON - Son Birth: <1865> Derby, England
4. William EUSTON - Nephew Birth: <1879> St Georges E, Middlesex, England
5. William EUSTON - Head Birth: <1831> Aldgate, Middlesex, England
6. William C. EUSTON - Son Birth: <1880> Warwick, England
7. William D. EUSTEN - Son Birth: <1866> Harrow, Middlesex, England
8. William EUSTON - Head Birth: <1828> Egham, Surrey, England
9. William H. EUSTON - Son Birth: <1872> Egham, Surrey, England
We can discount no 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9
No 5 was a gun smith
No 8 was an ag lab. An Ag lab however, might have had veterinary knowledge, so I had a closer look. However he is married to Emma.
There are no Walton Eustons at all.
There are 6 Waltons in Wales, but all older than 9, so that counts yours out. Sorry I can't do any more. If you know where or when William was born I can have a look at 71 and 61 for you.
D
Have you got any certificates for the family?
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thankyou for trying, at least i dont feel so silly because i can't find any eustons in wales. all the certs i have bought state tryddyn nth wales as place of birth. its rather puzzling.
thanks again
peter euston
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Peter, all is not lost.
Looking at the BMD I found this one:
Name: Euston, William
Record Type: Deaths
Quarter: March
Year: 1844
District: Great Boughton
County: Cheshire Flintshire
Vol / Page: 19 / 22
the only other Eustons are:
Name Year Quarter Record Type District County
Euston, Edith 1899 December Births Pontypridd GLA
Euston, Henry 1896 December Marriages Pontypridd GLA
Euston, Ivy 1897 December Births Pontypridd GLA
Euston, John 1902 September Births Pontypridd GLA
EUSTON, Robert Enderby 1904 June Births CMN
Euston, Ruth 1848 September Marriages Merthyr Tydfil BRE / GLA
Euston, Ruth 1858 March Deaths Merthyr Tydfil BRE / GLA
Euston, Samuel 1878 December Births Knighton HER / RAD / SAL
Euston, William 1844 March Deaths Great Boughton CHS / FLN
But again, the BMD is also not complete.
There are 8 Eustons in Wales in 1861, but they are all one family in Glamorgan. In 1901 there are 5 - this time 2 families, different ones though, and again in Glamorgan.
In fact, the only Walton Euston on the entire Ancestry database is on the world tree, entered by an Australian called Bryan Hall. I'll PM you his email address, as Waltons details are exactly those you've given.
D
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Following our conversation in the chatroom last night I've been trying to find your Walton EUSTON - Nothing. ???
He's got an unusual name so he ought to be fairly easy to trace but I can't see a birth registration for him or a marriage for his parents.(but could have missed them)
He ought to be in the 1881, 1891 & 1901 census but I can't see him.
The 1891 census shows just one Walton Harry - he's aged 10, but with the surname ADDIS livng in Lancashire with his parents Thomas & Catherine. Thomas is a house decorator.
I hope by "bumping this up" someone else might take another look.
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Or how about this one from the 1901 census?
RG13/2973 Folio 155 Page 32.
Forest Rd, Hugglescote, Leics
Mary ENSTON aged 54 widow born Long Mason Worcs
Walter H 24 son house painter born Clavidon Worcs
Frederick 21 house painter born Clavidon
Sarah E Halliday daughter monthly nurse born
?Bernard 14 son grocer's apprentice born Hugglescote Leics
Thomas M ENSTON 3 grandson born ditto
Emily L HALLIDAY grandaughter 6 born ditto
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In 1881 Walter ENSTON is living with his Father Thomas, an Ag Lab.... back to the drawing board. :-\
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Hello Bearcat and thankyou for your efforts. As you have found Walton Harry EUSTON (even though unusual) is proving to be quite elusive. I can only gues that either his Parish Records have not yet been fully transcribed or that for some reason know only to Walton that he changed his name and other details. I have been within 6ft of him (at Springvale Cemetery) and yelled at him but that didn't help either.
Thankyou again for all your trouble.
Kind Regards
Peter Euston
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Is it worth a look at this in 1891
Walter Hooson aged 14 born and living in Flint with parents William and Mary also born Flint. The downside again is the occupation Shipwright.
Peter
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I can't see anything under the surname NEWTON either - just in case he was illegitimate.
Have you found a trade directory entry for William EUSTON, veterinary surgeon?
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Hello Bearcat, Yes I have been told of a directory entry for 1896 in in Glamorgan. Since getting my new PC I am still trying to find where I have saved it.
Again Many Thanks to you and to Peter (MSG above) for your interest in my brickwall. I agree with Peter and will try to prove or disprove this option. At the moment I am open to all possibilities.
Kind Regards
Peter Euston
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Hi :)
The place is definitely in Flintshire - Trydden or Treuddyn.
I know that the North Wales BMD have all the birth registration for Flintshire up so it maybe worth a trawl through them.
I've tried Euston and Hooston
http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/births.html
Gadget
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I was having a look at that great site yesterday but without any joy. :( It's a shame you can't add a christian name to the search.
This chap is proving to be a bit of a mystery. ???
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I'm in the process of going through the 72 pages of the Tryddyn on the 1881 - lots of miners, ag labs, grocers, farmers, etc. but so far no vets and nothing that looks like the family. They could have moved on.
I'll report back shortly!
It could be that he made up his name and background though :-\
Gadget
PS - anyone looked for a Walter Hughes ::)
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It could be that he made up his name and background though :-\
Interesting name & place of birth though.
The surname EUSTON conjures up images of a foundling at Euston Station.
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Hewitson - maybe - there were lots in the area - had a friend with that surname :o
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Well
I've reached the end of Tryddyn and nothing that looks anything like or a vet in sight. It might be worth checking at some point - eyes go boggled after a while :-\
Back to drawing board :(
Gadget
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In the absence of any birth record for a Euston it seems clear to me that either as Gadget suggests the name is made up but perhaps more likely that it is a corruption of the sound. Hughes is possible but I cannot see a possible. Hooson as I suggested is also possible as are others.
Maybe the key is as Peter Euston first suggested in finding the name in a contemporary register of veterinary surgeons. There must be an association. Have you contacted them?
You state originally that William Euston married Mary Newton. As there is no proof where did you find your information? You also state that Walton was born in Tryddyn in all the certificates you have bought. What are these? Tryddyn is very specific and yet again we cannot find the birth.
Sorry to go back over what I am sure is old ground for you but I am running out of ideas.
Peter
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I've looked at Hewson, Hewitson as well as the ones that i previously mentioned, Peter. Also the 1881 and 1891 images for the two Tryddyn EDs and nothing at all.
Gadget
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When Civil Registration was introduced (on 1 July 1837), the parish of Treuddyn was assigned to the No. 1 ("Hope") sub-district of the Wrexham Registration District, which was co-extensive with the Wrexham poor law Union.
On 1 August 1871, Treuddyn was transferred to the Hawarden poor law Union (established 1853); and for civil registration purposes, it was assigned to the No. 4 (" Hawarden") sub-district of the Chester Registration District.
On 1 January 1903, the sub-district of Hawarden was upgraded to a Registration District in its own right.
In the GRO indexes to civil registration, entries for Treuddyn are found under:
Years 1837 - 1851: Wrexham XXVII.nnn
Years 1852 - 1871: Wrexham 11b.nnn
Years 1871 - 1902: Chester 8a.nnn
Years 1903 - 1946: Hawarden 11b.nnn
I searched Chester District under FreeBMD- no Walton first names or Euston last names between 1875-1885 and no Walter Eustons either ???
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Hello Everyone and thankyou for your efforts. To try to answer some of the questions I will give some info that might explain a bit more clearly. On all 5 "confirmed" Australian certificates I have bought it has a column for "Parents Names & Occupation" hence Wm EUSTON (Vet) & Mary (or on 1 cert Mabel Mary) NEWTON. On the death cert is states that Walton was in this State (Victoria) for 26 years.....being he died on 6th January 1930 I am assuming he arrived in 1903 (or the 1st week of 1904).
As for the other certs I have bought I found them under the name of Walt Hy EUSTON. A marriage to Ruby Easton PRIGG from near Colac in Victoria in 1913, a birth of William Henry EUSTON in 1914 to Mabel Jane Lines. A contact from NZ (where Mabel LINES was born) says there is a record of marriage between Walt Hy EUSTON & Mabel Jane LINES. On William Henry EUSTON's birth cert in 1914 Mabel LINES had a previous son George Eric LINES born 21st August 1910 in NZ. Also on William Henry EUSTON's birth cert on 17th January 1913 Walt Hy is 31 ,a painter from Leicester in England, and Mabel is 31 from NZ. On Rubys cert Walt is 29 and a house decorator from Stratford upon Avon and his parents were Thomas EUSTON & Mary Edkins (I think).
When Walton Harry married Ella Gertrude SMITH in 1917 he was a widower in 1914. This raises a few questions. Who was his 1st wife and what happened? Did she die giving birth to William Henry? I can't find a death for either or for Mabel Or Ruby? Was there perhaps someone else? Did he change his name because of what happened in 1913/14. On the certs I bought it is possible that Walt Hy was Walter Henry, but I cannot be certain.
And to finish off this little essay, as you can see there are lots of coincidences and unanswered questions and if he did change his name for what ever reason then the likelyhood of finding him is very slim.
Once again many thanks
Kind Regards Peter Euston
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Hello again, I was just in the Chat Room and chatting with a woman from NZ who found a marriage for Walter Henry EUSTON to Mabel Jane LINES in 1910 but no more details.
I am in a quandry as to whether to buy this certificate (NZ$25.00)....is Walter Henry close enough to Walton Harry? I wonder what other rootchatters think?
Kind Regards Peter Euston
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It's tempting :P What do the NZ certs give, parent's names etc? But again you may just get what you've already got.
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Hiya Peter
I'm replying on this post to save doubling work
In the 1851 census William and his family are all b Wiltshire. His father is called George and his mother is Esther. George is a porter
In 1881 there is a William H Hughes who is the Veterinary Surgeon in Swansea Glamorgan but his father is also called William a retired grocer. The only vet c1845 b Wiltshire is a Joseph Smith in Ucleby Lincolnshire
Can anyone come up with variations of how veterinary surgeon would be entered on the census as we can search by profession on the 1881 census?
Willow x
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Only thing I can come up with, Willow, is animal doctor. however, the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons was founded in 1844, so I would expect some kind of qualification.
It might be trying them:
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/
Gadget
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I think Peter has tried the RCVS.
In my tree I have a farrier who is later a veterinary sugeon in the census. I doubt if he ever had any formal qualifications.
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This William Hughes is RCVS on the census
His sister Mary Ann aged 28 & her husband Hiram Jones and family are listed
Willow x
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HI, Only just spotted this page.
Is anyone searching for Williams from Tryddyn please.....
I have a few, but finding it hard to trace them.
Thanks
pen
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I am researching the Norwegian ancestors of Mabel Jane LINES.
Just to clarify, was Mabel Jane LINES' son, George Eric LINES (later known as George Eric BOULD), born 1910, born in Australia or New Zealand?
Mabel Jane LINES married Walter Henry EUSTON in New Zealand in about 1910. Was their son, William Henry EUSTON (later known as William Henry BOULD), born 1913, born in Australia or New Zealand?
Did they have other children born in Australia?
Thanks for your help.
Pip (New Zealand)
www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz
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Hello Pip, I'm not sure whether you found any more information about Mabel. Mabel & Walter Henry Euston had a son, William, in 1913 in Inglewood, Victoria. Walter was arrested and fronted the Inglewood Police Court in early 1913 for deserting his pregnant wife, who was not named in the newspaper article (see attachment).
My grandfather was Walton Harry EUSTON but there has been a fair bit of conjecture about whether or not he is the same person (Walter Henry EUSTON/ENSTON). I am very interested to compare photos of Walton & Walter. If you are interested I can send you some photos of Walton Harry EUSTON.
Many thanks.
Peter Euston.