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Title: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Friday 18 May 12 13:42 BST (UK)
Is anyone else working on the Ledwith and Keenan families?

I "think" my great-great grandmother (Ellen Ledwith) was the daughter of Patrick Ledwith of Cylgeen and Bridget Keenan (?).....

Ellen was born on 1865 aprox and married Peter Kane at the Legan RC church in 1885.

Thanks!!

Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 18 May 12 13:46 BST (UK)
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I "think" my great-great grandmother (Ellen Ledwith) was the daughter of Patrick Ledwith of Cylgeen and Bridget Keenan (?).....

Ellen was born on 1865 aprox and married Peter Kane at the Legan RC church in 1885.
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do you have this marriage cert ?
it could confirm father's name & occupation and also Ellen's residence at the time..


Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 18 May 12 13:53 BST (UK)
it's a good idea to mention previous topics on the same family, for reference and to save duplicated research.

link to previous thread with some details of this marriage :

  Re: Keane family of Henfield, Rathaspick (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,575696.msg4278792.html#msg4278792) 
    (Co. Westmeath)
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 18 May 12 14:03 BST (UK)
just wondering about this being posted in Co. Longford - from the census returns on the other thread it looks like your Ellen/Mary Ellen was born in Co. Westmeath ?



Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 18 May 12 14:33 BST (UK)
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I "think" my great-great grandmother (Ellen Ledwith) was the daughter of Patrick Ledwith of Cylgeen and Bridget Keenan (?).....
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I see this couple as parents to several children in Co. Longford, so preume that's why they are on your list of 'possibles'.

Problem is, there are other Ledwith families with a father of the correct name that might be nearer to the location of your Ledwiths in Co. Westmeath.

The first couple are Patrick Ledwith​ & Margaret O'Neill in Ballynacarrigy district, Co. Westmeath, also a Patrick Ledwith and wife Catherine Conlon in Glassan district Co. Westmeath... It's also worth noting that these extracted records on FamilySearch are not complete, so there could be other births in Westmeath with a Patrick Ledwith as the father not listed in these.

Your Ellen was born very close to the start of civil records, so it's possible that she was not registered - or was born just before they started, in which case you would need to check for church records for a baptism.


Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Sunday 20 May 12 17:07 BST (UK)
Hi Shane,

Yes I do have the marriage certificate. It lists that Ellen Ledwith was the daughter of Patrick Ledwith (farmer) of Clygeen. She married Peter Kane on 27 April 1885 at the RC chapel of Legan in the Registrarīs District of Abbeyshrule.

I do not know who her mother is.

I was hunting around on internet and found a couple of baptisms at the Legan chapel for children of a Patrick Ledwith and Bridget Keenan in the late 1860īs.... then in the 1901 census there was a Peter Ledwith living with his widowed mother Bridget at Cleygeen, which I suppose is Clygeen.

I posted this on the Longford site because it looks like this family was in Longford, but then Ellen married my GG-grandfather and moved to Westmeath.

I hope I have been able to clear this up a bit?
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Sunday 20 May 12 17:25 BST (UK)
but doesn't Ellen/Mary Ellen state she was born in Co. Westmeath on the 1901  census return ?

I would keep those other Ledwith families based on Co. Westmeath with father also listed as Patrick in mind.. until a birth or baptism shows up.

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Yes I do have the marriage certificate. It lists that Ellen Ledwith was the daughter of Patrick Ledwith (farmer) of Clygeen.
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The locations given on marriage certs are the current residences for the bride and groom - may not be the where their families are living, or where the came from originally.


S.
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 21 May 12 09:18 BST (UK)
Hi Shane,

Yes she was listed in the 1901 census as being born in Westmeath... I thought that as sometimes not all the info is correct (like someone aging 15 years from one census to another) maybe Ellen was born in Longford...
Oh well, I will keep the Westmeath option open and look into the famlies you mention too.

It just seemed possible that someone living in Clygeen and married in Legan would have family in that area - wouldnt someone marry in the church where their parents lived?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 21 May 12 10:04 BST (UK)
marriages generally took place in the parish the bride was currently living in at the time, not necessarily the parish they were born or baptized in - but definitely worth following up other Lewith records in that parish to see if they fit Ellen's family.


Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 21 May 12 11:47 BST (UK)
Shane - I was looking for this but cant find it.....

Can you tell me what info would be listed on the death certificates? If the parents name is on it, then I think I will have to order Ellenīs death certificate.
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 21 May 12 11:55 BST (UK)
unfortunately not much detail on death certs - see :  Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)

What are the witness names on the marriage cert... any other Ledwiths that might be siblings or relations ?


S.
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 21 May 12 11:59 BST (UK)
Nope - no other Ledwiths.... there is a Bernard Cormick and a Maria Keenan. As there were a few baptisms at the Legan church between Patrick Ledwith and a Bridget Keenan, and then a Keenan on the marriage certificate I thought I might be headed in the right direction.
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 21 May 12 12:07 BST (UK)
I'm wondering if your Ellen/Mary Ellen might have been born just before the start of civil records... 

The locations dont quite add up add the moment, I need to track down Henfield in relation to Legan and the other locations.

I think I would suspect the Patrick Ledwith / Margaret O'Neill couple as possible parents. Two of their children are listed as registered in Ballynacarrigy district (Westmeath) in 1865 and 1867. No solid evidence for this theory other than the eldest child of Peter and Mary Ellen also being named Maggie...



Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 21 May 12 12:11 BST (UK)
When I looked up Henfield, Rathaspick and Legan on maps they all looked like they were not very far apart... if I remember correctly I think it was about 8 km from Henfield to Legan...

And I did see the two births you mention( for a James and an Eliza)... I think you might be right. In the 1911 Ellis Island manifest my G-grandfather & his siblings listed a James Ledwith of Edgeworthstown as their closest living relative, but in the 1911 census the James Ledwith I found was 21...
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 21 May 12 12:36 BST (UK)
found them - even though they are in two different counties, all the locations are quite close. If you drove the 10km from Rathowen, Co. Westmeath (the nearest major town to Henfield) to Legan church you would pass through, or  very close, to both Henfield and Clygeen townlands.

Henfield townland was in the Ballynacarrigy subdistrict, and part of Mullingar registration district. Not only is the area very close to the Longford / Westmeath border, it's also close to the boundaries of three registration districts - Ballymahon, Mullingar & Granard.

The old Co. Longford RC parish which Legan was part of, might have extended into parts of Co. Westmeath.


Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 21 May 12 12:41 BST (UK)
Ok, great. I will keep the 3 Registarīs Districts in mind then....

Thank you so much for all your help Shane!!   :)
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 21 May 12 12:49 BST (UK)
I had a quick search of the free index on RootsIreland (pay-website), but didn't see any likely baptisms around the right time with father's name Patrick for Ellen/Mary Ellen in the Longford / Westmeath border area. It's possible that she was baptized somewhere else, or recorded on a page that has been damaged or lost.

Legan is the name of the RC parish where that church is based, and the parish immediately to the east in Co. Westmeath is 'Rathaspick & Russagh'. Both seem to be included on RootsIreland.


Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 21 May 12 13:25 BST (UK)
Well I will keep hunting for Ellen in Longford and in Westmeath then!

Hopefully some other people looking for Ledwith family ties will come my way  ::)

Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Wednesday 23 May 12 08:26 BST (UK)
Shane -

Just wanted to bounce this find off you.....

I was looking at Ledwith births and found that Patrick Ledwith and Bridget Keenan had a daughter named Margaret in 1865....

According to the 1901 census, Mary Ellen was 36.... (DOB 1865 aprox).

Maybe this is who Mary Ellenīs 1st daughter is named after? IF these Ledwiths are her parents?



Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 23 May 12 08:37 BST (UK)
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I was looking at Ledwith births and found that Patrick Ledwith and Bridget Keenan had a daughter named Margaret in 1865....

According to the 1901 census, Mary Ellen was 36.... (DOB 1865 aprox).

Maybe this is who Mary Ellenīs 1st daughter is named after? IF these Ledwiths are her parents?


I think any of those 3 couple's in the area are possible - the problem is proving a connection, rather them being just possible parents. Any of those couples could also have had children born before 1864 - so not included in civil records.

The problem with extracted records is that they are not complete, so there could be other children that we are not seeing listed, that might help re dates, names etc.. The only other child listed for that Ledwith/Keenan couple is a Peter in 1869 - so there could be other children in between...



Shane
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Monday 29 July 13 07:58 BST (UK)
Still trying to find a connection here.... Although I still find positive the Keenan connection due to my GG grandmothers witness at her wedding was a Keenan.

Does anyone out there have a connection to the Keenans?
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: DOBLAKE on Wednesday 05 August 15 13:50 BST (UK)
Hi,  I'm new to this forum.  I'm researching the Keenan family of Longford and all I have is Brigid Keenan(my 3rd great grandmother)  married Samuel Ridgeway and had my 2nd great grandmother Elizabeth Ridgeway.  However,  my mother-in--law is a Ledwith from Dublin and if my research is right,  they are also from westmeath/Longford.  It's as much as I have right now but if I get anywhere I will be quite happy to pass it on. 
Dolores
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Thursday 06 August 15 14:08 BST (UK)
Hi Dolores!

What year did your 3rd ggrandmother get married?
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: DOBLAKE on Thursday 06 August 15 19:37 BST (UK)
Hi,  I don't have a definite date but would be around 1820

Dolores
Title: Re: Ledwith - Keenan families
Post by: Erin2012 on Sunday 09 August 15 05:00 BST (UK)
Sorry Dolores, but I'm just not that far back in my search to be able to help. My great great grandmother (Mary Ellen Ledwith)  was born around 1865 and right now I am looking for the name of her mother.

Good luck and hopefully we can help each other out in the future!