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James Taylor married Emma Barden 15 Oct 1840 Church of England Richmond, NSW, Australia V1840397 24B/1840 and V18401189 158/1840. When and where did the both die?
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Hi lincee and welcome to Rootschat. ;D
From your information it would be extremly difficult to know when either died.
Looking at just the BDM's it seems they may have lost lots of infant children and Emma herself may have perished in 1856. If you could give us some extra information as to the parents and possibly her and his ages it will help.
Neil
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Hi Neil,
Thanks and yes this is my first message. I am seeking this information for a friend.
Their children were:-
Sarah born 06 May 1836 Richmond, NSW, Australia V1837832 21/1837 or V1837426 157/1837. She married James William Somerfield/Summerfield 17 Oct 1853 Registered at Church of England Armidale, St Peter's Ref: NS - V1853538 39C/1853 but their children died Yass, Sofala, Young and Murrumburrah.
Robert born 1838 V18553382 42B/1855.
Edward born 1840 married Jane Chambers 1864 Young NSW. I am guessing Edward died 09 Oct 1926 Murrumburrah, NSW, Australia Ref: 20270 - inscription on headstone - Inscription for Edward Taylor Cemetery: Young General
Family Name: Taylor
Given Names: Edward
Birth Date:
Death Date: 9 Oct 1926
Age: 86y
Remarks: son/James & Emily; h/Jane; father
I note mother's name given as Emily and not Emma so speculating. This family seemed to live in the Young, Murrumurrah and Harden area.
William Taylor born 1843.
Catherine Taylor born 1845 V18451375 33A/1845 married James Birch 1864 Young NSW. Catherine died 27 Jun 1923 Young, NSW, Australia Ref: 8119.
Young Cemetery Index -
Birch, Katherine died 27 Jun 1923 age 77y dau/James & Emily; w/James Anglican - See photograph of headstone on internet - Headstone inscriptions Young Cemetery.
I note mother's name given as Emily here also and not Emma so speculating.
This family also seemed to live in the Young area.
John Taylor born 1855 V18553382 42B/1855.
I am still working my way through the families of these children.
Cheers
Lincee
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Welcome from me too
Do either of the two Early Church Records give you info about their marital status ... Bachelor/Spinster or Widow/er ?
Have you checked the NSW State Records ONLINE indexes for either of them?
Were they born in NSW or did they come across the seas and if they came from overseas DO you know when? I ask this as on NSW death certs it gives you How Long in the Colonies as well as the details re parentage and their own marriage and the children of the marriage AND where buried
Cheers JM ADDING edited for spelling! LUS Emily v Emma I agree while it could be speculative I find these were Interchangeable in that era
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Hi
This may help http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=:607147&id=I29234234
Muss
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Emma Barden arrived on "Canton" 1835 - "Single and Free" Elizabeth Rushen
Familysearch:-
Principal's Name: Emma Barden
Estimated birth year: 1816
Age in years: 19
Native place of Principal: , Middlesex,
Ship: Canton
Date of arrival: 08 Sep 1835
Occupation - housemaid
Employed as nursemaid by Mrs Bell - Bellmount.
I am not able to establish which James Taylor amongst NSW BMD indexes.
Marriage solemnized in the Parish of Richmond, County of Cumberland No 193 - James Taylor and Emma Barden both of this parish married in this Church by banns with consent of all concerned 15 October 1840. James Taylor could sign his but Emma (X) mark. Henry I Stiles Chaplain and Thomas ?Regan and Jane ?Wall (x) her mark were witnesses.
Baptism for Sarah 4 June **1837**, born 6 May 1837 - parents James and Emma Taylor of Richmond. James occupation "dyer". Henry I. Stiles Chaplain.
When Sarah Taylor married:-
Marriage Extract
Extract from the Register of Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St. Peter Armidale - Anglican Parish in the District of New England in the year 1853.
Page 32 Number 124
James William Somerfield of Sydney Bachelor and Sarah Taylor of this Parish spinster who married in this Church by Licence with consent of James the father of Sarah this seventeenth day of October in the year 1853 by me Henry ?????? This marriage was solemnized between us James W. Somerfield and Sarah Taylor in the presence of James Taylor of Sydney and Emma Taylor of Sydney (Emma signed with (X - her mark). A true copy Henry ????Officiating Minister.
After that not sure what happened to James and Emma Taylor.
Cheers
Lincee
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Maybe nothing but there are two Bardens living at Middlesex in 1841 census.
Jane b 1815 and Thomas b 1817. This family is from Ireland originally.
A transcript of DC for Emma Taylor 1856 may yield something.
Ref # 2989/1856
Neil
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Hi Neil,
Thanks for the information.
Kind regards
Lincee
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Hi,
I have just started my search down the Edward Taylor / James Taylor & Emma Barden, line and was wondering, did anything come of the search for James & Emma's birth and death records?
Robert
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Hello Robert,
No I am still no further advanced with finding deaths for both James and Emma Taylor. The last positive sighting for James was when he was informant on death certificate for son in law James William Somerfield/Summerfield 14 January 1862 at Lambing Flat NSW Australia.
Cheers Lincee
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Hi Lincee,
Very frustrating when you come to dead ends especially with a common name, where do you fit into the picture? F.C.M. Taylor, was my Gmother Edward Taylor her father. The Young, Murrumburra and Wombat areas seems where most of James & Emma's children settled.
Edward was in the area since at least 1868 the birth of his first child Adeline, to Jane Chambers. Sarah from at least the death of Somerfield 1862, Catherine from at least 1864 marriage with Birch, so maybe their parents followed them.
I found these Deaths for Young from NSW BDM, but haven't gone any deeper yet.
9573/1913/TAYLOR/EMMA/HENRY/RHODA/YOUNG
36962/1887/TAYLOR/JAMES/JAMES J/MARY/YOUNG
26783/1879/TAYLOR/JAMES/GEORGE WILLIAM/MARY ANN/YOUNG
But of coarse they may have died elsewhere
2989/1856/TAYLOR/EMMA/JAMES/SARAH/PARRAMATTA
I think this could be William their 3rd son.
15838/1919/TAYLOR/WILLIAM/JAMES/ EMMA/GRANVILLE
Good hunting, if I find anything I will post it.
Robert
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OOOPS!
The James Taylor deaths at young are miss-transcribed they are actually births.
The only death NSW BDM at young is;
11358/1881 TAYLOR JAMES UNKNOWN UNKNOWN YOUNG
Convict James Taylor, Marquis of Huntley, fits occupation of James Taylor on Sarah 1837 birth registration.
NAME -SARAH TAYLOR
DATE OF BIRTH -6/5/1837
DATE OF BAPTISM -4/6/1837
FATHER -JAMES TAYLOR
OCCUPATION -DYER
MOTHER -EMMA TAYLOR
RESIDENCE -RICHMOND
James Taylor
Birth; given as Salford 1803
Age; 27
Occupation; Dyer
Trial Date; 4th May 1829
Prisoner No. 30/1464
Transported; 7yrs for stealing a watch.
Ship; Marquise of Huntley (3)
Master; Ainscough (Ascough)
Ticket of Leave, granted; November 1834
Certifcate of Freedom, granted; May 1836
Info courtesy of radcliff,
Regards Robert
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Hello Robert,
Thank you for the information. Do you possibly have a copy of the birth/baptism of Edward Taylor? Unfortunately my local library did not have the microfilm for the series 158.
There are a few puzzling questions from the other births and I am not sure if they are part of the same family aside from the late marriage of Emma and James.
Sarah Taylor was baptised 4 June 1837 Parish of Richmond Cumberland (born 6 May but no year given). Parents James and Emma Taylor abode Richmond. James occupation dyer. Henry I Stiles Minister.
Robert Taylor was baptised 8 July 1838 Parish of Richmond Cumberland (born 6 June 1838) to Emma and James Taylor. James Taylor occupation farmer. Minister Henry I Stiles.
This was the same minister who married Emma Barden and James Taylor but not until 1840 at Church of England Richmond.
Lincee
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Hello Robert,
Sorry will continue this message.
In the year 1848 a Catherine Taylor of the Parish of Ashfield who was born 12 February 1845 was baptised 30 January 1848. Parents James and Emma Taylor. Abode Ashfield. James occupation labourer. Minister F. Wilkinson.
Also in the year 1848 a William Taylor of the Parish of Ashfield who was born 6 February 1843 was baptised 30 January 1848. Parents James and Emma Taylor. Abode Ashfield. James occupation labourer. Minister F. Wilkinson.
Also in the Parish of Cumberland Hunter's Hill 1855 a John Taylor was baptised 8 October 1855. He was born 6 October 1855 to James and Emma Taylor. Abode Hunter's Hill. His occupation labourer. Minister Rev. George E. Turner.
Therefore I am not sure how may children James and Emma (Barden) Taylor had. The only other James Taylor and Emma Dowen marrying in NSW was in 1849.
I have been researching Sarah Taylor's family.
I am interested to find Edward's birth details.
Regards Lincee
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Hi Lincee,
This is from IGI.
name: Edward Taylor
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 17 May 1840
baptism/christening place: RICHMOND, NEW SOUTH WALES, AUSTRALIA
birth date: 24 Apr 1840
death date: 9 Oct 1926
father's name:James Taylor
mother's name:Emma
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=614009.new#new
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,612516.0.html
Have a look at these two topics, names etc are listed, there were two James and Emma Taylors, the second lot going by NSW BDM had 7 children from 1857-67 at Ryde.
Robert
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Hi
A bit of trivia, in regards to Edward Taylor's death he died Murrumburra/Harden, and was buried Young.
My mother 89, recalls going to visit Young, cemetery from Quandialla around 1930ish, with her mother F.C.M Taylor, to view Edward's grave, only to find the headstone had fallen over, the reason she recalled this is that they both tried in vain to righten it.
Robert.
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Hello Robert,
Thank you for your messages and links. It is good to see that I am heading down the same path with this family except for finding the elusive James and Emma Taylor.
When Sarah Taylor married James William Summerfield, Sarah was living in the Parish of Armidale although both parents James and Emma (and J.W. Summerfield) were all from Sydney.
I have also in the past had a look at the life and family of Thomas Parnell from information on the internet to find an explanation as to why Sarah might be in Armidale and perhaps why James and Emma were tripping around the state and also I have read the book by Elizabeth Rushen "Single and Free" to find out what was noted on Emma Barden. It was mentioned in the book that the Sydney Colonial Secretary Alexander Macleay had written a "B" list of the women on the Canton describing them more fully so I am wondering if this "B" list is available to view at the Mitchell Library in Sydney or at Kingswood. I also had a look at the family tree's of the Bell family on the internet. When J. W. Summerfield died at Lambing Flat in 1862 James Taylor (informant on D/C) may have been at the gold diggings there because J.W. Summerfield's cause of death: haemorrhage from wound to groin, three weeks prior. Occupation - gold miner. I had a look at Trove to see what was happending at that time and the miners were rioting then and several were injured.
Yes I can also understand why the headstone of Edward Taylor has fallen over. It does look very heavy and Catherine/Katherine Birch's looks a little weather beaten as well.
Regards Lincee
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Hi Again,
Do you know if anyone has applied for the death certificate for the James Taylor who died at Young in 1881?
Cheers Lincee
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Hi Lincee,
No I'm not aware of anybody getting a copy.
I have to put things on a back burner for a short while and wont seriously get back into it for a couple of months, but when I find anything new I'll keep you informed.
Robert
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Hi..came across your topic regarding james william summerfield & wife sara taylor..
just wondering lincee ,if you are still researching them.
kind regards
firstfleet