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Title: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: RSnelling on Wednesday 06 June 12 10:32 BST (UK)
I am looking for any information on John Gerrard (B: 1816- Beaminster Dorset) Jane Gerrard (B: 1820 Dorset) formally Yeatman both before and after 1816. Any help would be most welcome.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 06 June 12 10:48 BST (UK)
There is this one in 1851 HO107/1860/354/34
Stoke Abbot Beaminster
John Bowditch 39 farmer 37 acres
Mary Bowditch 41
Harriot Bowditch 9
Amelia Bowditch 8
John Bowditch 5
Mary Anna Bowditch 4
Ann Smith 19
James Sparks 14
John Gerrard 36 (no relationship given to head of house) Ag Lab  Stoke Abbot
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: JJen on Wednesday 06 June 12 10:52 BST (UK)
Possible baptism for John Gerrard-

John Gerrard
Born - 22 Oct 1815
Baptism - 31 Dec 1815, Parish of Beaminster, Dorset
Parents - Richard and Elizabeth Gerrard
Father's occupation - Labourer
Batch No. - C01354-9 Family Search

JJ
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 06 June 12 10:57 BST (UK)
1841 HO107/292 book 11 folio 15 page 24
Sherborne Yetminster
Household of Robert Gillingham and family. Farmer
John Jerrard (spelling on image) Male servant born in county Yes
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 06 June 12 11:04 BST (UK)
1861 RG 91/127/59
1 Windsor Place Paddington
John Gerrard 45 head carpenter born Beaminster
Jane Gerrard 40 wife Okeford Fitzpaine Dorset
Richard M Gerrard 16 carpenter's apprentice
Henry T Gerrard 11
Mary A Gerrard 8
Lucy A Gerrard 4
John Gerrard 3
Philip J Gerrard 11 Months
James Questian 24

All children born Paddington Middlesex.

So are the earlier two your man? The one in 1851 was married but no family with him.
I'll go back and take another look
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: JJen on Wednesday 06 June 12 11:06 BST (UK)
If John Gerrard married in 1843 to Jane Yeatman then this could be them on the 1851 census -

Ghon Garrod  ??? Head 35 b. Beaminster Dorset, Carpenter
Jane Garrod Wife 30 b. Beaminster Dorset, Hat Maker
Richard Garrod son 3 b. Paddington
Henry T Garrod son 2 b. Paddington
Jane Garrod dau 1 Mo b. Paddington

Living at Praed St, St John's, Paddington  HO107, Piece, 1467, Folio, 584; Page, 46

JJ
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: RSnelling on Wednesday 06 June 12 20:25 BST (UK)
It looks like we have several Candidates. JJen can you look into the Garrod Line for me please. Crisane is it possible to look into the John Gerrard line. Thank you for helping me out on this.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 06 June 12 23:12 BST (UK)
These two are the same family. Misspelling of names caused by enumerators evaluation of what he hears and his spelling abilities and/or the transcribers skills in decphering terrible handwrting
Ghon Garrod  ??? Head 35 b. Beaminster Dorset, Carpenter
Jane Garrod Wife 30 b. Beaminster Dorset, Hat Maker
Richard Garrod son 3 b. Paddington
Henry T Garrod son 2 b. Paddington
Jane Garrod dau 1 Mo b. Paddington
Living at Praed St, St John's, Paddington  HO107, Piece, 1467, Folio, 584; Page, 46
JJ
1861 RG 91/127/59
1 Windsor Place Paddington
John Gerrard 45 head carpenter born Beaminster
Jane Gerrard 40 wife Okeford Fitzpaine Dorset
Richard M Gerrard 16 carpenter's apprentice
Henry T Gerrard 11
Mary A Gerrard 8
Lucy A Gerrard 4
John Gerrard 3
Philip J Gerrard 11 Months
James Questian 24
All children born Paddington Middlesex
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 06 June 12 23:35 BST (UK)
Bishop's Transcripts

Marriage 25 July 1843 at Saint Anne's Soho Westminster
Jane Yeatman of full Age Spinster
Spouse  John Gerrard  of full Age Bachelor Carpenter
Address for both Litchfield Street
Bride's father  - Thos Yeatman occupation Servant's Tea Trust??
Groom's father - Richd Gerrard Farmer
 
Witnesses
Harriet Yeatman
Robt A Clune? (Not at all sure about this name)
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Thursday 07 June 12 00:24 BST (UK)
1871 RG10/62/7/8
17 Bradmore grove Hammersmith
John Gerrard 55 widow carpenter and joiner beaminster
Lucy 14 dau scholar and pupil teacher
John son 13 scholar
Philip 10 scholar
Jane 8 scholar
All children born Paddington

Cannot see a positive for John on 1841.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Thursday 07 June 12 00:31 BST (UK)
Births Dec 1/4 1862   
Jane Yeatman Gerrard  Kensington  vol 1a page 28

Death of Jane nee Yeatman?
Same vol and page number. Two entries for the same person because there is a query re the correct age?
Deaths Sep 1/4 1866   
Jane  Gerrard age 37  Hampstead  vol 1a page 401   
Jane  Gerrard age 47  Hampstead  vol 1a page 401

Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Thursday 07 June 12 00:35 BST (UK)
Couldn't find John on the 1881 census. This death fits with his age in 1871

Deaths Dec 1/4 1873   
John Gerrard age 58  Kensington  vol1a page 141
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Thursday 07 June 12 00:48 BST (UK)
Marriage of Harriet Yeatman - witness at John Gerrard and Jane Yeatman's marriage
14 Jan 1949 at St John Paddington Westminster
John Hills full age a bachelor occupation Engineer. father Edward Hills a farmer
Harriet yeatman a spinster of full age. Father Thomas a farmer

The witnesses were John and Jane Gerrard
 
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: Tony A on Saturday 17 December 16 23:44 GMT (UK)
Has anybody managed to track down the birth certificate of John Gerrard who was born in Paddington, Middlesex (circa 1860), and who's death certificate records his death in Chelsea as 6th November 1897 at the age of 37?  Needless to say, I've browsed the Civil Registration Index but have been unable to find John's birth entry.  Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to offer me.  Tony.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Sunday 18 December 16 00:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Tony
Do you mean this John? If so his age on the census
1861 RG 91/127/59
1 Windsor Place Paddington
John Gerrard 45 head carpenter born Beaminster
Jane Gerrard 40 wife Okeford Fitzpaine Dorset
Richard M Gerrard 16 carpenter's apprentice
Henry T Gerrard 11
Mary A Gerrard 8
Lucy A Gerrard 4
John Gerrard 3
Philip J Gerrard 11 Months
James Questian 24
All children born Paddington Middlesex

I found this when I was looking for more information

John Gerrard
Age - 21
Born Saddington, Middlesex about 1858
Service Start Year - 1879
Regiment - A. W. Corps
Regimental Number - 4045
Attestation Paper -Yes
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: Tony A on Sunday 18 December 16 10:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the rapid reply crisane.  Yes, that's the John I'm interested in. I've found him in several census entries, (but not the service record, thank you!).  I've been specifically trying to get a copy of his birth certificate, but despite trawling through several years of the Birth Indexes have been unable to find a possible entry - hence my previous post.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Sunday 18 December 16 19:25 GMT (UK)
Just found this on the GRO index
John Gerrard mmn Yeatman        
1855  June 1/4 in Kensington  vol 1a  page 18

But this son appears to have died
John Gerrard       
1856  March 1/4 Quarter in Kensington  vol 1a  page 10

All the other birth registrations are there, just not John's. Maybe for some reason they chose not to register his birth. It wasn't until 1874 that it became the parents' responsibility to register their children's births.

Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: Tony A on Monday 19 December 16 00:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks again crisane.  I think I have come to the same conclusion as you, and will accept (for the time being...) that John's birth was not recorded.  By the way, how did you come to the conclusion that the 1855 index entry is associated with 'Yeatman'?
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: crisane on Monday 19 December 16 00:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Tony
The GRO has a new index for births and deaths and the birth index gives the mother's maiden name. Makes it much easier to find the correct birth registration.
You have to register but it costs nothing.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: Tony A on Monday 19 December 16 09:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks crisane - I'd noticed that the format of the GRO website had changed, but hadn't realised that the search facilities had been changed - a massive improvement in my opinion.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: RSnelling on Tuesday 20 December 16 14:13 GMT (UK)
Tony. What is your connection to this Gerrard Family. I was helping one of my cousins with this information.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: Tony A on Thursday 22 December 16 01:23 GMT (UK)
Hi R Snelling.  I have been researching my wife's family tree.  Her maternal grandfather is Albert Henry Gerrard (1889-1966).  Albert's father is the elusive John Gerrard - hence the interest in obtaining John's birth certificate.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: RSnelling on Thursday 22 December 16 07:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Tony. This is also my Cousins Gerrards Family. I can put you in touch with them if you so wish.
Regards
Roy
 
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: DMR1965 on Sunday 29 August 21 23:04 BST (UK)
John Gerrard (b 22nd October 1815) is the brother of my husbands 3X great grandma Mary McCune, née Gerrard. Her husband Robert McCune was a witness at John and Janes wedding. According to their wedding certificate, his father is Richard Gerrard, his mother was Elizabeth, I believe her maiden name was Pullman. I’d be grateful if anyone has anymore info on the family. I’m going on holiday to Dorset in a weeks time and will be staying near Beaminster. I hope to visit the museum there, where I believe they have family history resources.
Title: Re: Gerrards of Beaminster, Dorset
Post by: RSnelling on Monday 30 August 21 21:40 BST (UK)
DMR. Can you contact me please. I have more information on the Gerrards. It looks like you are related to my cousin.