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Hi,
I am researching my husbands gt grandfather John Rowe, on his marriage cert in1879 in Poplar London he states his father is also John Rowe a Blacksmith , on 1881 census in Poplar he states he was born Devonport, l think l have his birth in 1860 Stoke Dameral father John a Smith and mother Elizabeth but l cannot find a census to connect the 2 except 1 in 1861 John Rowe 8 months , Stoke Dameral father John mother Elizabeth but his fathers occupation is Greenwich ol Pensioner.
any help please.
Sandra
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Hello - this is quite complicated - as it seems they "fibbed" about their ages???
Is this the marriage?
28 April 1879
St Thomas Stepney
John Rowe 21 bachelor occ Engineer 30(or80?) Exmouth St father John Rowe occ Blacksmith
Ellen Banks 21 spinster 16 George St father George Banks occ labourer
witnesses William Hay jane Rosker
all signed
then in 1881 census they are younger than when they married???
1881
Poplar
George banks Head W 62 Lab ship yard
Louisa Riley U 32 laundress
John Rowe M 20 lab in Ship Yard Devonport
Ellen Rowe M 19
Elizabeth A 6mth
RG11 511 106 46
I have found 2 other John Rowes b Devon with Father John who was a smith (they did have middle initials -but they aren't always used on marriage reg's
Suz
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Hi - how about this one for 1861
RG 9; Piece: 1456; Folio: 107; Page: 9
4 Hood Place, Stoke Damerel, Devonport
John Rowe 45 smith in the dockyard Anthony, Cornwall,
Jane Rowe 42 Maker, Cornwall
Emily A Rowe 13 Maker, Cornwall
Harriett J Rowe 11 Anthony Cornwall
Fanny L Rowe 5 Anthony Cornwall
John P Rowe 2 Stoke Damerel, Devon
Jan
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John Rowe, on his marriage cert in1879 in Poplar London he states his father is also John Rowe a Blacksmith ,
Hi Sandra
Is he John William Rowe that married Dec qtr 1879 Poplar - who were the witnesses to the marriage.
ADDED that was the only Poplar reg dist marriage in 1879 - I presume from the other posts you could mean Mile End reg dist. :-\
Rosie
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If he is John Rowe who married Ellen Banks then his y.o.b. is fairly consistent after marriage
1881 John age 20 b. Devonport occ lab in ship yard Ellen age 19 b.Poplar
1891 John age 30 b. Plymouth devon occ Greengrocer Ellen age 29 b Poplar
1901 John age 40 b.Plymouth Devon occ Boiler Yd lab
Ellen age 39 b Poplar
by 1911 Ellen was a widow
is this the correct family?
Suz
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John Rowe, on his marriage cert in1879 in Poplar London he states his father is also John Rowe a Blacksmith ,
Hi Sandra
Is he John William Rowe that married Dec qtr 1879 Poplar - who were the witnesses to the marriage.
I think the John William Rowe whose marriage was reg 1879 Poplar married mary Scott
If so John was 19 at time of marriage occ Leathercutter father George Rowe occ Stone mason
Best match I can find is the marriage to Ellen banks - in Stepney
???
Suz
ADDED that was the only Poplar reg dist marriage in 1879 - I presume from the other posts you could mean Mile End reg dist. :-\
Rosie
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I think the John William Rowe whose marriage was reg 1879 Poplar married mary Scott
Thanks Suz ;D
It was the fact that the marriage was stated as Poplar that originally threw me.
Rosie ;D
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Hi,
Unfortunately I think the John P ROWE found by groom could have died in 1862 :(
Birth
John Priest ROWE Jun Q 1859 Stoke Damerel 5b 812
Christening
29 May 1859
Stoke Damerel
John Priest ROWE
Born: 07 April 1859
Father:John
Occupation: Smith
Abode: Morice Town
Mother:Jane
Death
John Priest ROWE Dec Q 1862 Stoke Damerel 5b 247
I think the John you found in 1861 with parents John and Elizabeth could be the right one, being a Greenwich Pensioner doesn't mean that he wasn't also a Smith. There is a daughter Betsy living with them, this looks like her baptism,
Betsy ROWE
Born: 22 Sept 1858
Christened: 31 Oct 1858, Stoke Damerel
Father: John
Occupation: Pensioner
Abode: Devonport
Mother: Elizabeth
and then John's?
John ROWE
Born: 01 Aug 1860
Christened: 26 Aug 1860, Stoke Damerel
Father: John
Occupation: Smith
Abode: Devonport
Mother: Elizabeth
In 1871 Betsey is living as neice to James and Lydia MURREY RG10/2114 f.61 p.6 I can't find the rest of the family :(
Regards,
Daisy
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I think we have to wait for reflector coming back on line to be certain we are looking at the correct marriage??
Suz
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Hi, thankyou for your replys the marriage of John Rowe to Ellen Banks 1879 is the correct one,
Have found a marriage for Bessie Rowe to James Smart, her father John Rowe a stoker in 1882 Stepney St Thomas Tower Hamlets address 30 Exmouth St. Think this could be Betsy same address and church as John Rowe just 3 years later.
Thanks again for info.
Sandra
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Sounds really promising
Suz
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Hi me again, as Betsey was with aunt on 1871 also found a couple of John Rowe as servant maybe their parents died , on this track have found a death and will of a John Rowe death 1863 in Beeralstone Devon and Elizabeth as wife his next of kin as yet no death of Elizabeth?
As far a marriage for John and Elizabeth l think l have got to find them in earlier census to determin if they had any more children they were quite old to have only 2 young children or were they just late starters?.
Sandra
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Hi,
Sorry but I think the will for a John ROWE in Beeralstone could be for a different John. In 1861 there is a John ROWE agrd 79 living in Beer Alstonwith a wife Elizabeth.
RG9/1457 f.28 p.9 Civil parish: Beer Ferris, Registration district: Tavistock
As there are so many John and Elizabeth ROWEs in Devon at the time I think it would be best to get Betsy's birth certificate to check Elizabeth's maiden name.
Betsy ROWE Dec Q 1858 Stoke Damerel 5b 295
I would get Betsy's rather than John's because there is only one Betsy ROWE born in the right time frame in the whole of Devon, but if you want to get both this looks like John's birth.
John ROWE Sep Q 1860 Stoke Damerel 5b 306
Daisy
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Hi, l think you may be right Daisey wrong death so l have sent off for Betsey birth cert so will have to wait a couple of weeks.
Sandra