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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Berwickshire => Topic started by: victoriajoule on Saturday 16 June 12 04:31 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I was wondering if you someone can help find some baptisms. I am looking for baptisms for the following people:
1. Nichol (Nicholas) Weatherston. b. abt 1817 Eccles, Scotland
2. Elspeth Tait. b. abt 1814 Eccles, Scotland.
Details I have for them:
- I have a marriage record for them from ScotlandsPeople. They were married in 1835 in Stichell, Kelso, Scotland.
- I have them on the 1841 census in Kelso, 1851 census in Kelso and 1861 census in Linton, Roxburghshire after which I pick them up in Bamburgh, England.
- According to the census returns they have the following children: Ann (b.1836), Agnes (b. 1838), Isabell (b. 1839), Thomas (b. 1841), Elspeth (b. 1843), Henry (b. 1845), John (b.1848), William (b. 1851), Mary (b. 1853), Elizabeth (b. 1855), James (b. 1857) and Nicholas (b. 1858)
I have searched ScotlandsPeople, ancestry etc and cannot find any baptism records for either of them. The marriage record I have doesn't provide parents names, so I am pretty much at a stand still. If anyone can help, I would be grateful !
Thanks
Victoria
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Hi
There is this on familysearch.org
Elspeth Tait born 20 January 1813, Christened: 23 March 1813 Eccles
Parents: William Tait and Ann Aitchison, who were married 26 Aug. 1812 Eccles
These are submitted records so are not as reliable as an extracted records.
claire
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Thanks Claire.... I did look at family search but missed this !
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Hi Victoria, the christening/birth Claire found for you is on Scotlandspeople. You are being too exact with your spellings, she is on as Elspath
23/03/1813
TAIT
ELSPATH
WILLIAM TAIT/ANN AITCHISON FR435
F
ECCLES
/BERWICK
737/00 0040 0147
You may get his occupation etc from the original and she had at least 3 sisters.
regards
Barbara
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Hi Barbara
You are right ! Whilst I looked for variants on the surname (Tait, Tate, Tayte etc) I did not even consider looking for variants on her first name !!! Strangely though I did look for Nichol and Nicholas for her husband !!!
Thank you for finding it for me, I will go onto Scotlands people and look her up :)
Thanks for your help
Victoria
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Victoria,
Just started new thread by accident while replying to you. Sometimes I hit post and nothing happens, no idea why.
Take a look and see if you think it is Nichol
Barbara
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That Nichol isn't yours. He is on the census at Lauder born Gordon with wife Isabella and son eldest son James. Yours looks to have an eldest son Thomas and with second daughter being Agnes I would look for parents Thomas and Agnes having children in Eccles around the right time. Nichol's baptism might have been missed in the records but he did have a James who could be a brother living with him in 1841 - that might help too. Let me know how you get on.
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Thanks Barbara - I am going to continue to search under every variant I can think of and see how I get one ! Definately a good start having Elspeth's parents names though !!!
Thanks for your help !
Victoria
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Yes it is Victoria. the naming patterns are a bit screwif but perhaps they had a William who died. Ann certainly works for her mother.
Just shout if you need any more help.
Barbara
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That Nichol isn't yours. He is on the census at Lauder born Gordon with wife Isabella and son eldest son James. Yours looks to have an eldest son Thomas and with second daughter being Agnes I would look for parents Thomas and Agnes having children in Eccles around the right time. Nichol's baptism might have been missed in the records but he did have a James who could be a brother living with him in 1841 - that might help too. Let me know how you get on.
Hi, I am doing some research that is leading back to this family - can I ask which parents are those of Nichol. I have a Nichol Weatherston being married to Elspeth TAIT. The Nichol born 1857 I have is a Grandson to Nichol and Elspeth Weatherston by all accounts, potential illegitimate son of daughter Isabella b1839. Anything you could let me know would be most appreciated. Thank you.
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Just leaving for the Borders FHS archives so will have a look for you and reply tonight.
Barbara
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Hiya
I didn't find a baptism for Nichol Weatherston, but think his parents could be Thomas Weatherston and Agnes Johnson who were married in 1813 in Eccles. I too would be interested to see if there is a baptism at the borders fhs !!
Cheers
Victoria
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Victoria and Jacqueline
There is no baptism for Nichol and the only child I can find baptised to Thomas Weatherston and Agnes Johnston is James born 1819 who may be the one with Nicol in the 1841 census in Kelso. This James is hard to find after that.
However I think you are on the right track, Victoria.
Found a Thomas in Hume, Berwickshire in the 1841 aged 45 with poss children, Mary,20, Agnes 15 and Benjamin 17. Benjamin dies in Ayton in 1890s and mother is supposed to be Agnes Wilson, father Thomas Weatherston. But think this is in error and it should be Agnes Johnston. I would follow the other children to their deaths if you can to prove it. Mary has an illegitimate child Thomas b 1852 and is in Kelso in 1861. Agnes is in Kelso too in 1851 so they are moving that way.
I believe this is the Thomas who dies in Kelso in 1860 aged 68 and his death record is signed by son Nicol of Old Graden - which is where your Nicol is in the 1861 census. I have tried to find this Thomas in 1851 but can't as yet! The death record gives his parents as Nicol Weatherston and Janet Fairbairn. I you can find him in 1851 you will get his place of birth but I am struggling. :-\
Barbara
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Nicol or Nichol isn't the commonest of given names, so there may be a connection to Nicol "Watherston" who was married to Janet Fairbairn in 1783 at Longformacus, Berwickshire. Their son James Watherston was married in 1809 to Janet Haig and the children I have them are Margaret(1810), Nichol(1812), Janet(1814) Mary(1816) and James(1818), the surname being spelt as Watherston.
Harry
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Harry,
Thanks for the reply. Think you are right.
The reply just below yours confirmed that Thomas' parents were Nicol and Janet (Fairbairn). Thomas naming his first son after his father. Is it visible as neither Victoria nor Jacqueline have replied ??? I hadn't gone further than that until they replied. Nicol is quite a common name in Berwickshire strangely. I haven't checked yet if they had a son Thomas too.
This from Thomas' death record in Kelso in 1860 where Nichol is the informant.
Barbara
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The reply you mention just below mine doesn't show up on my screen so maybe the person who posted it has deleted it.
Harry
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It was by me! I will post it again. Will you let me know if it show.
Barbara
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There is no baptism for Nichol and the only child I can find baptised to Thomas Weatherston and Agnes Johnston is James born 1819 who may be the one with Nicol in the 1841 census in Kelso. This James is hard to find after that.
However I think you are on the right track, Victoria.
Found a Thomas in Hume, Berwickshire in the 1841 aged 45 with poss children, Mary,20, Agnes 15 and Benjamin 17. Benjamin dies in Ayton in 1890s and mother is supposed to be Agnes Wilson, father Thomas Weatherston. But think this is in error and it should be Agnes Johnston. I would follow the other children to their deaths if you can to prove it. Mary has an illegitimate child Thomas b 1852 and is in Kelso in 1861. Agnes is in Kelso too in 1851 so they are moving that way.
I believe this is the Thomas who dies in Kelso in 1860 aged 68 and his death record is signed by son Nicol of Old Graden - which is where your Nicol is in the 1861 census. I have tried to find this Thomas in 1851 but can't as yet! The death record gives his parents as Nicol Weatherston and Janet Fairbairn. I you can find him in 1851 you will get his place of birth but I am struggling. :-\
Barbara
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So reply 12 and reply 17 should be my findings at the Borders FHS Archives.
Barbara
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It was by me! I will post it again. Will you let me know if it show.
Barbara
Yes, loud and clear.
Harry
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Thanks Harry, are the Watherstons yours too?
Stone in Greenlaw
James Watherston July 28, 1800 76 yrs. Alison Brack, his spouse March 23 1806 79 yrs.
Nicol Watherston their son d at Purveshall Lodge 16 Mar. 1822 70yrs. Janet Fairbairn his wife Oct 9 1836 71yrs.
Barbara
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Thanks Harry, are the Watherstons yours too?
Barbara
No, not direct ancestors.
Harry
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Hi Barbara
Thank you - the information you have listed basically matches with what I have figured out, but was hoping for a baptism for proper "proof"....alas, seems not to be the case !! Its like a detective story isn't it !!! I think that Thomas and Agnes Johnson possibly had 7 children in total with Nichol who married Elspeth Tait as the eldest.
Thanks also for the stone in Greenlaw, whilst I had the burial inscription for James and Alison, I didn't have the bit about Nicol or Janet !!!
Cheers
Victoria
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I think him signing the death record of his father is proof enough that he is the son of Thomas, Victoria. Frustrating not to get a baptism but naming patterns and location are all working for you.
In Greenlaw there are actually 3 graves right beside each other so probably all related.
The third one is Nichol Weatherston, Marchmont, West Lodge his son Nichol Millwright Shotleygrove, Co of Durham 29.12.1860 28 years. He d. 25.8.1871 78 yrs. Janet Cockburn his widow 19.4.1894 84 yrs. Agnes 2.12.1934 85 yrs. Wm. 12.7.1924 81 yrs.
All the same family and relations to your Nichol. .
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Thanks Barbara....do you know if the graves have been photographed and are on any of the sites ? I have looked at billiongraves but didn't find them ? Thanks, Victoria
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We as a society have done some but not sure if we have done Greenlaw as yet. Will have a look.
Barbara