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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: g forgeron on Sunday 24 June 12 15:57 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for information on the death of Alexander Howie Donald, son of Thomas & Fanny Donald nee Howie, born December 1903 in Troon Scotland. He lived in 70 Kana Street in 1977, I wrote to that address but got no reply.
I would also like to know when he went to New Zealand, I believe it was under a scheme called "The Harvesters", but that is just hearsay
All I know is that he was a bachelor and I think he worked in a meat processing plant at one time.
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Death
NZBDM
1991/46454 Donald, Alexander Howie b. 22 December 1902
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That is his address in 1978 Electoral roll..no other person by same surname at the address, he is a caretaker
Bye
Althea
**Name was still on the 1981 Roll**
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1963 address is just Mataura, a custodian
Bye
Althea
You can check the years at ancestry at the free index
He appears 1938 at Takanini(Auckland) as a stable hand
Bye
Althea
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Death
NZBDM
1991/46454 Donald, Alexander Howie b. 22 December 1902
Buried at Alexandra Cemetery
Cheers
KHP
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Hi g forgereon,
I'm intrigued by your reference to a possible immigration scheme known as 'The Harvesters'. I've not heard of a scheme of that name.
You might find this site of some help. This particular link takes you to a page discussing immigration between 1945-75 but I's only taking a punt with Donald's arrival date. Other pages in the series may also be of value.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/history-of-immigration/14
When was he last known to be in Scotland?
Have you tried FindmyPast for passenger lists?
Spades
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Hello,
FindMyPast has an Alex Donald year of birth 1904 leaving Southampton for Auckland NZ in 1924
Cheers Janette
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Hi,
Could he have travelled with other family members?
There is a Mr W and Mrs Donald on the same journey
Cheers Janette
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Hi Janette,
Can you tell us the name of the ship, please?
Spades
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Hi Spades
It was the Tainui,I PMed the transcript to g forgeron but the feeling was that Alex had travelled on his own and his parents had never left Scotland,I wondered if it was a brother and his wife.
Cheers Janette
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Hi G,
You might find the Archives New Zealand Research Guide on Migration of some use.
http://archives.govt.nz/resources/research-resources
Spades
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Death
NZBDM
1991/46454 Donald, Alexander Howie b. 22 December 1902
Buried at Alexandra Cemetery
Hello...
The burial record for the Alexandra cemetery ashes burial found by KHP is on the Dunedin Council cemetery website.
The record mentions a cousin. Maybe you can email the "For further information" address on the webpage and see if they have the name/address of the cousin.
Link to burial record...
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=155417&type=Cremation
If the above link doesn't work here is the search page for the Dunedin Council cemetery database
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search
Regards
Beg
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My late uncle Thomas Donald, was born 1903 in Troon, Ayrshire.He emigrated to New Zealand in 1926, and died in Ranfurley in 1991. He never married. The family legend has it that at one time he was a jockey. Who, and, or where, can I find out if this is true. Is there some kind of central register of jockeys?
Any help would be appreciated
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Hi G,
I found New Zealand Racing very helpful when I had a similar enquiry some years ago.
https://www.nzracing.co.nz/Home.aspx
Spades
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Not part of the brief but I went looking for his death, without success. Was Thomas DONALD his full name?
Minniehaha.
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Not part of the brief but I went looking for his death, without success. Was Thomas DONALD his full name?
Minniehaha.
I don't see this name in any of the passenger lists either
Cheers Janette
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On FindMyPast there is an Alexander DONALD born 1903 arriving in NZ in 1926 his UK address was 11 Burassus', Troon occupation given as labourer,is this your man?
Family Search entry
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4W9-XYJ?i=22&wc=MP7N-R99%3A119034101%2C119049801%2C119100101%3Fcc%3D1609792&cc=1609792
This looks like this man's death
1991/46454 Donald Alexander Howie born 22 December 1902
His birth may not have been registered until 1903
Cheers Janette
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A previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=603745.0
It appears Thomas was the father of Alexander
Cheers Janette
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The cemetery record for this chap gives his occupation as retired horse trainer
Surname DONALD
Forename ALEXANDER HOWIE
Age 88 Years
Gender Male
Date of Death 30 Sep 1991
Place of Death MANIOTOTO HOSPT
Last Address CHAPMAN RD R D 1 ALEXANDRA
Funeral Director Harborow & Co Ltd, P O Box 81, ALEXANDRA
Date of Cremation 3 Oct 1991
Type of Service
Ashes Disposal Return To Funeral Director 4 Oct 1991
Occupation
Place of Birth
Date of Birth Not recorded
Notes Original reference:- C19911004
Occupation:- RT HORSE TRAINR
Relationship to deceased:- COUSIN
Cheers Janette
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Probate File at Archives New Zealand, Dunedin office >
DONALD - Alexander Howie - of Alexandra - Ret'd. Farmer -- Year : 1991
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From FamilySearch
Alexander Howie Donald
New Zealand, Central Otago, Cemetery Gravestones
Name Alexander Howie Donald
Event Type Death
Event Year 1991
Burial Date 26 Mar 1992
Burial Place Alexandra
Age 89
Birthplace Troon Scotland 1902
Residence Place Chapman Road Alexandra
Occupation Retired
Religion Chapel, Innes Street Alexandra(funeral director's address)
Informant's Name Harborow & Co
Record Number 1403
Cemetery Alexandra Cemetery
Burial Area F Blk
Cemetery Section and Lot R/13
Burial Plot 0128
Method of Disposition Ashes
Headstone Inscription Alexander Howie DONALD (Sandy) Born Troon Scotland 22.12.1902 died 30.9.1991. 'Remembered by his N.Z.Families.
Burial Site Black granite plaque set in concrete.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9C3-L478?i=333&wc=MXM7-XZS%3A387513401%3Fcc%3D2115582&cc=2115582
Cheers Janette
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In reply #5 there is a reference to a previous thread. In this thread mention is made of the 'Harvesters' Scheme'.
Here are a couple of websites about this scheme which may be of interest. It does seem as if it applied to Canada rather than New Zealand............
https://genealogyensemble.com/2015/03/04/the-harvester-scheme-and-the-empire-settlement-act/
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19281006.2.136
Minniehaha.
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(An unclear) headstone photograph for Alexander Howie Donald..........
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Alexander-Howie-Sandy-Donald/7303875
Minniehaha.
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Hi,
You could try contacting Dunedin Library to request a scan of the death notice. (Of course providing the exact date of death).
The death notice may provide a name for the cousin mentioned in the burial records.........
http://www.dunedinlibraries.govt.nz/site-help/contact-us
Minniehaha.
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Many thanks to all who have replied. I must confess to a monumental mistake - too many whiskies I'm afraid - my uncle was indeed Alexander Howie Donald and not Thomas. There are three Thomas Donalds in my tribe, a grandfather, an uncle and a cousin.
He was born at 11 Barassie street Troon in December 1903, sailed on the SS Hororata from Southampton on the 1st September 1926. In the 1938 census he is down as a "stable hand", living in Takanini.
I know he lived at 40 Kana street Mataura for years, but I didn't know he had cousins/family in New Zealand
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Hi,
You could try contacting Dunedin Library to request a scan of the death notice. (Of course providing the exact date of death).
The death notice may provide a name for the cousin mentioned in the burial records.........
http://www.dunedinlibraries.govt.nz/site-help/contact-us
Minniehaha.
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I'm trying to find out if the story that my late uncle, Alexander Howie Donald born Troon 1902, died Ranfurley 1991 was a jockey. In 1938 he was a stable hand in Takanini.
I wrote to what I thought was the equivalent of the Jockey Club in New Zealand but didn't even get an acknowledgment
Does anyone know of a website which would hold such information?
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Here are previous threads with all the information found on this man
I will ask the moderator to merge the threads
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=753359.msg6023272#msg6023272
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=603745.0
I doubt a stable hand would be a jockey
Cheers Janette
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Hi,
He could have worked his apprenticeship up from stable hand to jockey, as one of my ancestors did.
The cemetery details give his occupation as Retired Jockey Trainer, as found by Janette in the first link.
Cheers
KHP
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As per kiwihalfpint an ancestor in our family worked as a stable hand up to a jockey.
NZ Racing was helpful in opening their research library to me when I was in Wellington; as was our local racing club. The main publication was the The Weekly Press. The also have the NZ Racing Calendar.
The local club had annuals with each horse, jockey, riding scores and their colours/silks listed in it. Via this means I was able to trace the career of my person of interest the fastest.
The sports section of the Truth newspaper also had a list of the Winning Jockeys and the odd editorial in Turf Tattle.
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Hi,
He could have worked his apprenticeship up from stable hand to jockey, as one of my ancestors did.
The cemetery details give his occupation as Retired Jockey Trainer, as found by Janette in the first link.
Cheers
KHP
Mmm ... just a query ... doesn't the cemetery record (@ Dunedin database), say
> "RT HORSE TRAINR " (which appears to be an abbreviation for "retired horse trainer" .) ???
I looked at this man on electoral rolls, (1938 - stable hand -- Franklin electorate - already mentioned) - thereafter shown on rolls as "labourer" . In 1963 and 1969 - listed as "custodian" ... 1972 / 1978 / 1981 - a "caretaker".
~ Lu
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Yes, you are right Lu :D, fingers quicker than brain, with Jockey, being the word on the grey matter ;D
Cheers
KHP
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Topics merged.
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Hi g forgeron,
I have merged your three topics on Alexander Howie DONALD into one, and taken the opportunity to change the subject title to include his name (this makes it much easier for search engines to find).
It is best to keep research on one subject together.
Spades
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OK, thanks to all who have replied, I'll browse the web sites which you have suggested