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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: curtisd on Monday 25 June 12 15:28 BST (UK)
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Searching for ancestors of David Morgan born 1840 in Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales. He married Jane Nicholas (Born 1828 Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales)
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Do you have their marriage cert? That should give the names & occupations of both fathers. As it looks like Nicholas was not Jane's maiden name, it would help to find her family.
marriage ref
Pontypridd sept qtr 1868 vol 11a pg 415
This would look to be Jane with her first husband in 1851
Cae Hopkin, Uchlawrcoed , Bedwellty HO107/2448 folio 535 pg 12
Nicholas Nicholas head mar 29 miner b. Mon, Bedwellty
Jane wife 25 b. Glam, Gelligaer
David son 4 b. Mon, Bedwellty
Richard son 2 b. Mon, Rhymney
Jesse Evans lodger 30 miner b. Breconshire, Llanwrtyd
Evan Evans lodger 28 b. Mon, Bedwellty
Likely marriage
Nicholas Nicholas march qtr 1846 Abergavenny vol 26 pg 41 with Jane Richards on the same page
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sorry, posted this on wrong thread. I meant it to go on the Jane Nicholas thread.
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Marriage certificate arrived.
David Morgan was a 29 year old bachelor. His father was William Morgan, occupation Roller.
Jane Nicholas was a 40 year old widow. Her father was Richard Richards, occupation Colliery Contractor.
They all resided Gilfach Goch, Rhondda Valley, Glamorgan, Wales at time of marriage.
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can't spot a likely family for David with brother Edward, but I'll have another look later. If the address on the cert is Gilfach Goch, it means that's where they were living at the time of marriage, not where they were from. The census gives David as born Merthyr Tydfil and Jane Gelligaer.
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Thank you.
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can't spot a likely family for David with brother Edward, but I'll have another look later. If the address on the cert is Gilfach Goch, it means that's where they were living at the time of marriage, not where they were from. The census gives David as born Merthyr Tydfil and Jane Gelligaer.
Where did you find he has a brother Edward? I can't find any information on free census.
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he's on the 1871 census that I posted on your Jane Nicholas thread. Aged 19 also born Merthyr Tydfil.
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Ok thank you.
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Attached is a copy of the marriage certificate: http://en.geneanet.org/archives/actes/actesenligne/1014198
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According to sources David's brother Edward was born 1852 Rhymney, Glamorgan, Wales. I searched and that appeared to be covered by Abergavenny. There was only one birth entry so I ordered it. It listed his father as William Morgan (Which has already been confirmed by David's marriage certificate) and his mother as Elizabeth Hugues.
I found the marriage of William Morgan and Elizabeth Hugues and have ordered that to see if the occupations match up.
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The 1871 census shows him as born Merthyr Tydfil not Rhymney.
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I saw the source on Ancestry, I thought I also found Rhymney on the census. Thank you for clarifying.
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On the 1871 census you are correct it is listed as Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales.
On the 1881 census it is listed as Rhymey Bedwellty Parish
On the 1891 census it is listed as Rhymney, Glamorgan, Wales
On the 1901 census it is listed as Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
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Hello everyone,
Thank you for all the help a long time ago. I am now researching again and looking for any advice on where to head next on getting further back or confirming data.
It has been a long time so hoping there any other sources to find data? I've found a few things various sources but looking for feedback.
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not sure what you mean by a premium source. The usual sources are census entries, bmd certificates and parish records. Detailed census entries start in 1841, although 1841 has less detail than following years. You can access census entries and check the enumerator's copies via sited like Ancestry and Findmypast. FindMyPast also has scans of an amount of parish records from Wales. As the David Morgan/Jane Nicholas marriage was in a non-conformist chapel, there may not be baptism records to find if one or both of the families were non-conformist. Before the start of civil registration in 1837, marriages will have been in the established church.
FreeReg has transcripts of some parish & non-conformist records. There's a likely looking entry for Jane Richards 26 Nov 1826 at Penuel Baptist Church in Rhymney, Mon daughter of Richard & Jane, father a miner, abode Cwm Carno Rumney Works. This is possibly a list of births, not a baptism as Baptists don't practice infant baptism. Also a sister Margaret on 31 July 1824, brother David 28 Feb 1819 registered 25 Dec 1827. Also Mary born 14 Feb 1829, and Thomas 11 July 1831 registered 19 Sep 1831 children of Richard D Richard & June, father a miner, abode Bute Town Rumney iron Works
There is a marriage in St Tydfil's for Richard David Richard & Jane Williams 8 May 1819
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF8C-HLM
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Thank you.
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I have found a few different marriages of William Morgan but the dates and location are confusing on the census.
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Could you give details, please? Someone on here might be able to help.
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On the 1871 census you are correct it is listed as Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales.
On the 1881 census it is listed as Rhymey Bedwellty Parish
On the 1891 census it is listed as Rhymney, Glamorgan, Wales
On the 1901 census it is listed as Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
It is the ages of William (Father). David (Son) and Edward (Son) that change.
I found something on family search but it doesn't have the same maiden name for Elizabeth (Wife?). I had Hughes. This one has two marriages to a Jones and then Davis.
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could you please be a little more specific? Possibly add links to the record on FamilySearch?
What are the census refs? Which years? The first names & surnames we're dealing with here are very common so we can't tell what records you're looking at without further info.
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Sorry just seen your reply. I'll go through my records and find my notes.
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This is the birth certificate for Edward Morgan which I uploaded ages previously https://en.geneanet.org/archives/actes/actesenligne/1096084
I can't seem to find anything Anc**** now for 1841 or 1851 with both brothers.
I'll check on the other site I was using when I get access to it.
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Could you give details, please? Someone on here might be able to help.
I found the census record from 1851 that I saw previously. It was the one with an Edward and David but the ages are wrong so unlikely.
Parish: Llangynwyd Middle Series: HO107 Page: 9
Registration district: Maesteg 1 Piece: 2461 Family: 36
County: Glamorganshire Registrar's district: Bridgend & Cowbridge 583 Line: 2
Date 1851
Head William Morgan 39
Wife Elizabeth Morgan 39
Daughter Ann Morgan 15
Son Edward Morgan 13
Son Joseph Morgan 10
Son David Morgan 8
Daughter Margaret Morgan 6
Son Benjamin Morgan 4
Son William Morgan 3
Son Thomas Morgan 1
I don't think this is the correct one. I will keep searching. Any advice on finding further back on Morgan?
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can't spot a likely family for David with brother Edward, but I'll have another look later. If the address on the cert is Gilfach Goch, it means that's where they were living at the time of marriage, not where they were from. The census gives David as born Merthyr Tydfil and Jane Gelligaer.
As my previous posts. I'm still searching census on various websites. Can't find any matching ones yet but will keep searching.
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On the 1871 census you are correct it is listed as Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales.
On the 1881 census it is listed as Rhymey Bedwellty Parish
On the 1891 census it is listed as Rhymney, Glamorgan, Wales
On the 1901 census it is listed as Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales
MORGAN, EDWARD JONES
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 26 Page 496
MORGAN, EDWARD WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 26 Page 416
I have now found the above birth references which did not show years ago when I searched. I might order both and see if they are useful. Is it possible the sources which listed Rhymney were wrong and Edward and David would both be born same place? The birth certificate I have could be wrong one?
Edit:
MORGAN, DAVID WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL UNION Volume 26 Page 401
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There is also this
MORGAN, DAVID HUGHES Order
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL UNION Volume 26 Page 432
Using the tool it confirms I was reading the birth certificate correctly, as it shows as:
MORGAN, EDWARD HUGHES Order
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 26 Page 40 Occasional Copy: A Order
MORGAN, EDWARD HUGHES Order
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 26 Page 62 Order
The sub registration district is around 7 miles of Tredegar on the Edward Morgan certificate I have is away.
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I found a census record with the correct dates and 18 miles away in 1861.
Llantwit Village, Llantwit Fardre, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
There is a David aged 20 and Edwin aged 9 (Could this be Edward?) and a other siblings. Father is William. Wife is listed as Jane.
Registration district Cardiff
Enumeration district -
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 4044
Folio 4
Page number 5
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but not correct places of birth if you check against other census entries.
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I was posting as that is closest I can find. Is it possible they could be listed as where they were living at the time?
What are your thoughts on the birth certificates? (There also being a David Morgan with maiden name Hughes)
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if the Edward born 1851 cert is correct, you would think that family would be on the 1851 census as the child was born before the date of the census.
What you do have for sure is the places of birth from the later census entries, so Rhymney/Bedwellty for Edward and Merthyr Tydfil for David. The surnames you're looking for are common in the area, so work from what you know for sure.
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ok, thank you for your advice.
Hughes would of been before the census so should of been listed.
Williams maiden name one would of meant born after the 1851 census?