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Searching for ancestors of Thomas Henry Morgan (Born 1892 Gilfach, Glamorgan, Wales) married 1913-12-01 to Beatrice Ann Fortt (Born 1888).
I know his father is Joseph Morgan (Born 1869 Llandyfodwg, Glamorganshire,Wales). His mother is Jannet (I have no surname yet).
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working back through the census years
1901 10 Fair View Tce, Gilfach Goch RG13/5008 foliol 60 pg 27
Joseph Morgan head mar 32 colliery roadman below ground
Jannet wife 32 b. Lancashire
Thomas son 9
William John son 6
Jannet A dau 5
Mary J dau 2
all born Gilfach Goch unless noted
1891 6 Penllwyngwent Row, Gilfach Goch RG12/4451 folio 141 pg 12
Joseph Morgan head mar 22 coal miner b. Gilfach Goch
Jennet wife 22 b. Yorkshire
David son 10 months b. Gilfach Goch
likely marriage
Joseph Morgans march qtr 1890 Bridgend vol 11a pg 752 with Jennet Jones on the same page
1881 Cottage, Gilfach Goch, Llandyfodwg RG11/5328 folio 58 pg 25
David Morgans head mar 40 fireman b. Merthyr
Jane wife 53 b. Mon, Rhymney
William Nicholas stepson 25 collier b. Rhymney
Evan Nicholas stepson collier 19 b. Rhymney
Joseph Morgan son 13 b. Gilfach Goch
Thomas Davies boarder 42 labourer b. Breconshire
1871 for the family I've given you on a different thread.
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Thank you.
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Marriage certificate arrived. It confirms Joseph Morgan's father as David Morgan who was a labourer. Jannet Jones father was David Jones who was an Collier or Roller (Hard to make out what it says). They both resided at Gilfach Goch, Rhondda Cynon Taff, South Wales.
Can anyone help me find the mother of Jannet/Jennet Jones?
Regards,
Curtis
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Hi Curtis
How about ...............
1881 RG11 5298 126 8 - Civil Parish Llantrisant - Address Griffin Hotel
Janett Jones is an unmarried general servant 12yrs old b Gla? Yorkshire
1871 RG10 4207 69 19 - Civil Parish Preston - Address 3 Fleetwood St
David Jones head mar 36 Wales Glamorganshire - Iron roller
Mary wife 35 Wales Glamorganshire
John son 16 Wales Glamorganshire - Forge Boy
Henry J son 13 Yorkshire Leeds - I think it reads "learning to weave"
Margaret daugh 11 Yorkshire Leeds - I think it reads "stops at home"
David son 9 Yorkshire Leeds
Jeannette daugh 2 Yorkshire Leeds
Lewis son 4mths Lancashire Preston
1861 RG9 3451 32 17 - Civil Parish Nether Hoyland - Address ?
David Jones Head mar 28 Llangynwyd Glam - ? at Iron Works
Mary wife 25 Dowlais - Dressmaker
John son 7 Maesteg Glam
Henry J son 4 Yorks Elsecar
Margaret daugh 1mth Yorks Elsecar
Regards
Z :)
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Hi again
This looks like David Jones the father of Jannet/Jennett/Jeannette Jones etc .................
1881 RG11 5298 127 10 - Civil Parish Llantrisant - Address Gilfach Coch
Thomas Hathaway head mar 29 Gloucester Cheltenham - Colliery Lab
Sarah Ann wife 29 ? Somerset - Dressmaker
Thomas son 7 Ystradfodwg Glam
David Jones Boarder widow 46 Llangynwyd Glam - Colliery Lab - Coal miner
Lewis Jones Boarder 10 Lancs Preston
Edward Jones Boarder 24 Rowley Dudley Staffs - Colliery Lab
So it looks as though David is a widow but unfortunatley with a surname of Jones and a few possibilities on Freebmd I am struggling to find for certain a marriage for David Jones and Mary which would give her maiden name ???
Maybe someone else might be able to help although you could always order a copy of one the children's birth certificates which would give you Mary's maiden name.
Regards
Z :)
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Is this the correct certificate to order?
Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
Jones Jeannette Anne Wirral 8a 398
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this would perhaps be more likely for a Yorkshire birth?
Janet Ann Jones
Apr-Jun 1869
Saddleworth, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume 9a, page 239
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Thank you, I didn't see that one when I was searching on FreeBMD.
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this would perhaps be more likely for a Yorkshire birth?
Janet Ann Jones
Apr-Jun 1869
Saddleworth, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume 9a, page 239
Certificate arrived. It lists father as Edward Jones, so I assume it is the wrong birth certificate.
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Hi Curtis
Not sure about Edward Jones how about you?
Jeanet/Janet/Jeanette appears to alternate her birthplace between Lancashire and Yorkshire making this slightly trickier however I am wondering whether she was born in Yorkshire? The family may have moved whilst she was small and she doesn't remember - so this one caught my eye as Barnsley Dist would cover the Hoyland Nether area which is where the family are to be found in 1861 ...................
Free bmd - Janet Jones Qtr4 1868 Reg Dist Barnsley Vol 9c Pg 173
She may not have been registered at all so maybe you might want to consider ordering a search in the area as opposed to providing specific entry details as above - stating the fathers name of David Jones and not providing the index info etc etc and that way if nothing is found you will be issued a refund ;D
Also worth a mention I came across a couple of snippets that may assist you with your search but hasten to add are not conclusive but see what you think as they may fall into place with a little more rooting around ;D
Lancashire UKBMD have an interesting birth entry for a Lewis Jones 1870 .............
PRES/191/39 - Lewis Jones - Sub Dist Preston - Registers at Preston - Mothers Maiden Name Lewis
and then I came across this ...............
Marriage of David Jones Bachelor Labourer and Mary Lewis Spinster 12 Nov 1855 in the Parish of Barnsley Silkstone both of full age Residence Barnsley - Fathers name John Jones Fireman - William Lewis Sawyer - Witnesses Ann ??? and Thomas Fallom?
Mary Lewis and her father William proved rather elusive but did come across a possibility for David although not with his father the family names appear to be similiar to that of his own family ...............
1841 H0107 1422 Dist 14 Folio 8 Pg 8 - Civil Parish Llangonoyd - Address ?
Margaret Jones 42 Ann 14 Margaret 12 David 8 Jennet Jones 5 All born in County apart from Margaret
1851 H0107 2461 90 4 - Civil Parish Llangynwyd Cwmdu- Address 5 Powell Row
Margaret Jones Head Wid 43? I think it reads Ystradgynlais Glam - Washerwoman
Margaret daug unmar 22 Llangynwyd - Washerwoman
David son unmar 18 Llangynwyd - Pudler
Richard Lewis Grandson 2 Maesteg
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Thank you for taking the time to research this. I will order the birth certificate and see what it says.
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Hi me again
It may be worth looking for a siblings marriage to see whether they share the same fathers details and hopefully confirm that this is the correct family for David - suggest FreeReg/Family Search and FindMyPast (new Welsh Parish Collection) and not forgetting the Rootschatters here who never fail to amaze me with their incredible knowledge and detective work ;D
Anyway hope this helps and all the best
Z :)
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Birth certificate for Jeannete Jones arrives. It lists her parents as David Jones and Mary Lewis so it appears you are correct, thank you for your help.
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Hi
Thank-you for letting me know and I wish you all the very best with your research
Regards
Z :)
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Marriage of David Jones Bachelor Labourer and Mary Lewis Spinster 12 Nov 1855 in the Parish of Barnsley Silkstone both of full age Residence Barnsley - Fathers name John Jones Fireman - William Lewis Sawyer - Witnesses Ann Huh and Thomas Fallom?
I have been searching for mothers name for Mary Lewis and cannot find anything. Is it possible that for William Lewis Sawyer his surname is Lewis Sawyer? Or is just his occupation?
Kind regards,
Curtis
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Erm - may be wrong but I think the father is William Lewis, whose occupation is sawyer?
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Sorry I misread.
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Is there anyway I could find the mothers name of Mary Lewis?
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have you serched for Mary Lewis with her parents in 1841 & 1851 census entries?
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Yes I have. I have not found anything.
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she's not leaping out, is she? Can't see a parish baptism for her either, working from the birthplace given in 1861 of Dowlais.
I've had a look at the marriage, and I don't think the second witness, Thomas Falloon, is related as he witnesses all the marriages on the next pages. The other witness looks like Ann ?ooke her X mark. Not sure on the first letter comparing it with other writing by the cleric. May be a p?
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The only one I found with father as William Lewis is the following there was an edit to the transcription saying that it was supposed to be Lewis and not Lawes:
Mary Lawes
[Mary Lewis]
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Lawes
Gender: Female
Where born: Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Llangynwyd Cwmdu
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Bridgend
Sub-registration District: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Piece: 2461
Folio: 39
Page Number: 17
Household Schedule Number: 71
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lawes 60
Ann Lawes 18
Mary Lawes 17
Elizabeth Lawes 13
Margaret Reynold 18
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I cannot find a census entry with a spouse. The above could be the correct family though. Maybe Margaret Reynold is cousin? Or maybe I should look for a baptism/birth of Elizabeth Lewis/Lawes?
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Is there anyway to confirm the census? I may order a few Elizabeth Lewis birth certificates? Or is there anyway to find a baptism/birth online for Dowlais?
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I doubt that is the correct family. Mary was 25 on the 1861 census, so would be rather less than 17 in 1841. I'll go have a little look.
sorry, just realised this is an 1851 census. It's much easier if you type out your own transcription with places of birth & occupations, in fact, that's what you're meant to do, not copy & paste which infringes copyright and doesn't make sense out of context. The William on that 1851 has labourer at the Iron works as his occupation, not sawyer, so still not a brilliant match. Hold your horses on the birth certs fir the mo.
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Thanks.
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I'm now researching this again and looking into finding more.
An update is that I match on DNA with a line leading from ancestor of Thomas Henry Morgan which is encouraging.
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I found the following in my search for Mary Lewis.
Mary Lewis
1836
Gelligaer, Glamorgan, Wales
Daughter of William Lewis (Occupation is Farmer) and Mary
Mary Lewis
1836
Michaelston-Y-Fedw, Glamorgan, Wales
Daughter of William Lewis (Occupation is Lab) and Mary
Mary Lewis
1836
Margam, Glamorgan, Wales
Daughter of William Lewis (Occupation is Mason) and Elizabeth
I also found below but cannot see the images on Familysearch to see occupation of William Lewis?
Mary Lewis
Daughter of William Lewis and Elizabeth James.
14 May 1837
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Mary Lewis
Daughter of William Lewis and Rhoda
30 June 1837
Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
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I also found below but cannot see the images on Familysearch to see occupation of William Lewis?
Mary Lewis
Daughter of William Lewis and Elizabeth James. Fathers occ Printer
14 May 1837
Merthyr Tydfil
Mary Lewis (age 1 1/2. )
Daughter of William Lewis and Rhoda fathers occ Collier
30 June 1837
Merthyr Tydfil
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Thank you.
The reference to James surname was on there as it was a full tree. Sorry, should of clarified it might not of been on baptism.
Interesting about the age listed on the other entry. The occupations aren't the same as William Lewis later on.
Any idea please?
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I have found on another site this.
Mary Lewis
Baptism 20 Oct 1837 in Cadoxton Juxta Neath,Glamorgan,Wales
Parents are William Lewis and Anne
Does not list father occupation? This is quite close to Dowlais?
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I have found on another site this.
Mary Lewis
Baptism 20 Oct 1837 in Cadoxton Juxta Neath,Glamorgan,Wales
Parents are William Lewis and Anne
Does not list father occupation? This is quite close to Dowlais?
I wouldn't think Cadoxton particularly close to Dowlais - it's the bottom end of a different valley from Merthyr
This is an interesting little snippet from the Glamorgan Monmouth and Brecon Gazette and Merthyr Guardian of 31 May 1834
William Lewis, sawyer, Dowlais, was ordered to pay 10s, an abatement in his wages,for a misdemeanour committed in his employ under the Dowlais Iron Company, on the oaths, of William Lewis, Master carpenter, and Edward Evan, coal weigher.
Also another story where a William Lewis, sawyer, of Dowlais and wife Mary, found a dying man
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3631550/3631553/20/
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Thank you.