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Title: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: The-Game on Sunday 08 July 12 05:47 BST (UK)
As my family are trying to find out about our family history, on both my mum and dad's sides and their parents sides. We're trying to find out any information on a man believed to be named Mathew/Matthew Weekes/Weeks who is believed to of been born between 1908-1912 not sure where. But It's our belief he was in Cowra, New South Wales, Australia in 1931(in his early 20's). Unfortunetly we do not have any more info on this man. But some family have spent fruitless hours going through records and we can't seem to find him. Any info is much appreciated,
                                                      Turner Family  :)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: mum mum on Sunday 08 July 12 08:49 BST (UK)
Hi,
Can't see anything on electoral roll, the only Matthew Weekes is in Qld 1970's and 1980. I can't find anything on Trove either, only a Matthew Weekes in Hobart.
mum mum
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: PrueM on Sunday 08 July 12 09:22 BST (UK)
Hello Turner family :)

What information do you have on Matthew Weekes?  Where does he fit into your family? 
There's nothing obvious in the NSW BDMs online but they only go up to 1911. 
Could he have been born overseas?

Prue
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 08 July 12 09:29 BST (UK)
He seems not to have been born in NSW after 1911 either.

Sue
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: The-Game on Sunday 08 July 12 09:36 BST (UK)
Hello Turner family :)

What information do you have on Matthew Weekes?  Where does he fit into your family? 
There's nothing obvious in the NSW BDMs online but they only go up to 1911. 
Could he have been born overseas?

Prue

Hello Prue,
                  We don't have any information other then we believe he was in Cowra, New South Wales, Australia in 1931/32 when he was around 22-24 (possibly born 1909?), Though due to the information being relayed from an 85-90 year old roughly 15-20 years ago the details might of been misconscrued. This gentleman is is deceased or would be in his 100's.
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: mum mum on Sunday 08 July 12 10:24 BST (UK)
Hi
Do you know his occupation, was he a friend of the older person who told you about him??

I wonder what other names could be confused with Weekes?

mum mum
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: PrueM on Sunday 08 July 12 10:44 BST (UK)
I had a thought that this person might have been about the right age to have served in WW2, but the only WEEKES or WEEKS with a given name of Matthew is:

QX14335 Thomas Matthew WEEKS b. 1915 in Qld (barcode 4851715 on the NAA catalogue)

Doesn't look promising  :-\

The-Game/Turner family, is this person involved in your family somehow? I'm just trying to work out how we can find him, was he married into the family, was he the father of a child of your family, was he just an acquaintance that you're trying to find out about?  What is the significance of Cowra, is that where your family was?
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: The-Game on Sunday 08 July 12 10:57 BST (UK)
I had a thought that this person might have been about the right age to have served in WW2, but the only WEEKES or WEEKS with a given name of Matthew is:

QX14335 Thomas Matthew WEEKS b. 1915 in Qld (barcode 4851715 on the NAA catalogue)

Doesn't look promising  :-\

The-Game/Turner family, is this person involved in your family somehow? I'm just trying to work out how we can find him, was he married into the family, was he the father of a child of your family, was he just an acquaintance that you're trying to find out about?  What is the significance of Cowra, is that where your family was?


From what I've been told, due to it being a delicate topic, It's believed he was in Cowra, unknown why, but he had an indiscretion with my great grandmother, and it's believed he may of been an unknowing father to one of her children. So details have always been very scarce
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: PrueM on Sunday 08 July 12 11:25 BST (UK)
I thought it might have been something like that  ;)

We'll keep digging, and maybe something will turn up. 
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 08 July 12 21:52 BST (UK)
My thinking cap told me that your Matthew Weeks/Weekes would probably have done something else other than having an illicit affair in Cowra. He may have married. :o

With that in mind the only one that seems a possible is Matthew Weeks Marrying in Yass in 1926. However to thicken the plot, there is no birth for Matthew in NSW. I am also unable to discover if this Matthew and wife Nellie had any children? ???

But an electoral role search may turn up their abode after marriage? :P

Neil ;D
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: crisane on Sunday 08 July 12 22:16 BST (UK)
Marriage reg for the couple in Yass gives Nellie as Nelli M Scott.
There is a death reg the following year for a Nellie M Weekes but because there is no surname for the father I was rather inclined to think this may be this Nellie's maiden name but I can't find a birth of a Nellie M Week*s to anybody.
Nellie M Weekes
1927 New South Wales
Father Francis W
Mother Susan
Registered Annandale NSW
Reg number 18262

There is also a Matthew Weeks departing Sydney 27 Aug 1951 on board the Strathmore. He is aged 48 so born c1903 and he is accompanied by Janet age 40. The address in England is  Birkdale lancashire. matthews occupation is shipbroker.
Nothing to show this is relevant but it is noted :)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 08 July 12 22:50 BST (UK)
Possible Birth of Nellie M Scott

NELLIE M SCOTT:  FATHER, JOHN H. MOTHER, ETHEL M AND SHE WAS REGISTERED SYDNEY. REF# 9854/1907

I am unsure if the death registration of the Nellie Weekes is same one as married 1926?

Neil ???   
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: crisane on Sunday 08 July 12 23:34 BST (UK)
Possible Birth of Nellie M Scott
NELLIE M SCOTT:  FATHER, JOHN H. MOTHER, ETHEL M AND SHE WAS REGISTERED SYDNEY. REF# 9854/1907
I am unsure if the death registration of the Nellie Weekes is same one as married 1926?
Neil ???   

Doesn't look as if they are Neil, going off the parent's names. Another one bites the dust :)

Certifcates would sort it but rather an expensive exercise. :)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 08 July 12 23:49 BST (UK)
I think some secrets are destined to remain such ::).

Unfortunately just because a Matthew Weeks married in Yass in 1926 about an hour or two drive from Cowra doesn't make him the culprit. :P

But the couple are still a bit of a mystery anyway. If we could find him on an electoral role near Cowra he may have a little case to answer ???

But Paternity is a bit of a stretch :o

Neil
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Dundee on Monday 09 July 12 02:50 BST (UK)
Nellie was Nellie Margaret, her mother Florence May SCOTT died in 1948.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18079134?searchTerm=%22nellie%20margaret%20weekes%22&searchLimits=

Nellie Margaret appears alone on electoral rolls from 1930 at Wagga Wagga.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Dundee on Monday 09 July 12 03:04 BST (UK)
Nellie born Victoria in 1904:

Nellie Margt SCOTT
Father:    Jas SCOTT
Mother:    Flor HUGAN
Birth Place:    Myrtleford, Victoria
#20173

Sister Jessie Helena born in 1898 (married Maurice SIVERS)

Jessie Helena SCOTT
Father:    Jas SCOTT
Mother:    Flor HOGAN
Birth Place:    Myrtleford, Victoria
#20998

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: majm on Monday 09 July 12 03:14 BST (UK)
Hi,

May I ask a direct but rhetorical question, please  ....  Can you place your family in Cowra around the same time as Matthew may have been there?  Were they "in town" or on property out of town?   

I am happy to look through various offline records for rural NSW that cover the 1920s.  I avoid typing this up into public forums, (I have living rellies who were born just before WWI hostilities broke out, they are very private people) but if you care to send me a PM with some clues I will look further, and try to help.


Cheers,  JM  (born 'on the Lachlan' many decades ago,  ;) )
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Bullet-27 on Sunday 10 June 18 05:31 BST (UK)
Hi all, this is The-Game on my new account. After many years of fruitless searching, as of last night I found out through family that Matthew is actually a middle name of the man we're searching for. He's real name is Richard Matthew Weekes/s (not sure on spelling). All I've gathered is he was in Cowra in late 1930 early 1931 as my grandma was born Sep 1931. Also apparently he was in Cowra in 1935 and also 1938. But that's it really. Anyway thanks everyone for all the hard work in helping, and sorry the name was incorrect. :-)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: crisane on Sunday 10 June 18 21:36 BST (UK)
baptism
Richard Matthew Weekes
Born 18 Nov 1908
Baptised 8 Apr 1909
At Wagga Wagga, New South Wales
Residence 1908 Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, Australia
Father - Richard Weeks
Mother - Evelyn Mary
FHL Film Number 992916

Married 1929 at Cowra to Phyllis Amelia Henrietta Trebelcock according to a public tree on ancestry and a marriage record on ancestry.

I can only see him on one electoral Roll 1980 at Oak Flats which is near Wollongong. I don't have a sub so can't access the image
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: cupoflife on Sunday 10 June 18 22:43 BST (UK)
baptism
Richard Matthew Weekes
Born 18 Nov 1908
Baptised 8 Apr 1909
At Wagga Wagga, New South Wales
Residence 1908 Wagga Wagga, New South Wales, Australia
Father - Richard Weeks
Mother - Evelyn Mary
FHL Film Number 992916

Married 1929 at Cowra to Phyllis Amelia Henrietta Trebelcock according to a public tree on ancestry and a marriage record on ancestry.

I can only see him on one electoral Roll 1980 at Oak Flats which is near Wollongong. I don't have a sub so can't access the image

NSW bdm birth: 9227/1909 Richard M. WEEKS; Father-Richard; Mother Evelyn M; Wagga Wagga
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Jennaya on Monday 11 June 18 01:37 BST (UK)
NSW BDM has a marriage registered at Cowra in 1929 of a Richard WEEKS. Perhaps this is your guy.

Regards
Jennaya
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: sparrett on Monday 11 June 18 05:59 BST (UK)
Regarding the indiscretion in Cowra.
Your dates suggest it happened after the marriage? Is that correct?

The marriage mentioned above.
14037/1929
WEEKS Richard
TREBELCOCK Phyllis A H
At COWRA


Here is the birth of Phyllis
TREBELCOCK Phyllis A
13314/1911
Father Frederick B
Mother Eliza J
At BATHURST

Her father died in 1936 whilst chopping wood at COWRA where he had lived for 21 years
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/142908816

Phyllis had siblings.


Sue
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: sparrett on Monday 11 June 18 06:17 BST (UK)
The 1937 Electoral Roll for COWRA shows the married couple at different addresses.

WEEKS, Phyllis Amalia Henrietta, Brougham St, Cowra. HD
WEEKS, Richard, Darling St, Cowra. No Occ.
Sue

ADDING
 1934 Electoral Roll for COWRA
Phyllis seems to be using her forename Henrietta rather than Phyllis.
She is at the same address as 1937 and he also same as 1937
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: cupoflife on Monday 11 June 18 07:44 BST (UK)

Is this the same Phyllis Amelia Henrietta?

SMH 19 June 1964
In the Will of LEO CEDRIC JOHN COX, late of Cowra, in the State on New South Wales Pensioner deceased.- Application will be made after 14 days from the publication hereof that probate of the last Will and Testament dated 10th November 1958 of the above deceased may be granted to Phyllis Amelia Henrietta Cox In the said will called Henrietta Cox sole Executrix named in the said Will....

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/1106957
Leo Cedric John Cox - Date of Death 07/06/1964, Granted on 27/07/1964 Series 4-577873
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: sparrett on Monday 11 June 18 08:01 BST (UK)
Would indeed appear so.
E Roll Condobolin 1934 and 1937
COX, Leo Cedric.Mineral Hill. Lab.

1943
COX, Leo Cedric Tallabung. Tin Miner.
Cox Henrietta.  Tallabung HD

1958
Back in Cowra.
COX, Leo Cedric John. Waugoola St. Lab
Cox Henrietta. 34 Waugoola St. HD
 
This last remains their address together until 1963.

Sue
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Jennaya on Monday 11 June 18 08:56 BST (UK)
Well found cupoflife and sparrett

 
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: sparrett on Monday 11 June 18 22:47 BST (UK)
Here is the death of Henrietta (Phyllis Amelia Henrietta nee TREBELCOCK)

COX,Phyllis Amelia Henrietta
8537/1982
Frederick Blamey
Eliza Jane

Sue


Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Bullet-27 on Tuesday 12 June 18 08:08 BST (UK)
Hi all, I've spoken to my family with this new info. At first they weren't sure as they only knew of a wife going by Etty short for henreietta, but after reading the post by Sparett referencing she went by her forename instead of Phyllis, all the dots started to connect. They are now pretty much 98% confident this is the man we're searching for. My family did ask me to pass on their sincere thanks and appreciation for all the effort and help everyone has given to help us, particularly my grandma who has gotten some closure on a very unknown childhood. Thanks everyone. A relative has apparently applied or is trying to obtain a death cert or reference to when he passed, so hopefully they'll have that soon to complete the process. :-)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 12 June 18 08:39 BST (UK)
  A relative has apparently applied or is trying to obtain a death cert or reference to when he passed, so hopefully they'll have that soon to complete the process. :-)

Which of the several Richard WEEKS deaths since your man was last in Cowra will your relative follow up on?

There is not  reference to Richard WEEKS junior in the funeral  notice of his father Richard WEEKS Senior

WEEKS RICHARD
17547/1946
Parents William & Emma
At GRANVILLE

Funeral notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17985974

Sue

 
 
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Bullet-27 on Wednesday 13 June 18 05:03 BST (UK)
  A relative has apparently applied or is trying to obtain a death cert or reference to when he passed, so hopefully they'll have that soon to complete the process. :-)

Which of the several Richard WEEKS deaths since your man was last in Cowra will you relative follow up on?

There is not  reference to Richard WEEKS junior in the funeral  notice of his father Richard WEEKS Senior

WEEKS RICHARD
17547/1946
Parents William & Emma
At GRANVILLE

Funeral notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17985974

Sue
.     Hi Sue, I'm not really sure. I tried explaining the same thing to family, but ended up falling on deaf ears .
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: chelbie on Sunday 01 July 18 09:44 BST (UK)
Hi there
Matthew Weeks is my grandmothers father she was born due to a affair that her mother Clara Redfern had with Matthew. Clara was Etties cousin. We have been trying to find out any information on where he ended up and where he was burried. The reason you found Matthew ans Phyllis at different residences in Cowra was due to the affair. If anyone has managed to find out any info on him i would love to know. If i can help with anything let me know as i may have info you seek. Cheers
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Jennaya on Sunday 01 July 18 10:25 BST (UK)
Hi Chelbie

Welcome to Rootschat. Are you related to the Turner family who originally posted the question on here? Lots of information has been found, but it's interesting to discover that Matthew had an affair with his wife's cousin. It must have been difficult for the family.

Regards
Jennaya
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: chelbie on Sunday 01 July 18 10:44 BST (UK)
Hi Jennaya
Bugger yes that is my family i was hoping it may have been another lead to where he died an was buried. My nans family kept everything a secret and my nan only found out that her sister was actually her mother when she was about 50. Oh well the search continues...lol
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: chelbie on Sunday 01 July 18 11:25 BST (UK)
Hi Jennaya
Do you have any idea on how we would go about trying to obtain a death certificate if we cant prove that Richard Matthew Weeks was her father as it is not on her birth certificate
Cheers Michelle (chelbie)
Title: Re: Matthew Weekes??
Post by: Jennaya on Sunday 01 July 18 12:09 BST (UK)
Hi Chelbie

Anyone can get a death certificate if the death occurred more than 30 years ago. However, no one on this site has been able to find a death or burial for Matthew. I guess it would be good for your family to ultimately know what became of him.

Regards
Jennaya