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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: joeeeangel on Saturday 01 September 12 00:46 BST (UK)
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Hi there. I am looking for information on Samuel Richard Fitzgerald who died in 1890. His wife was Josephine Neville. Would love to discover any information, eg, Parents, Children, Birth, Marriage, any connection details. Thanks kindly, Jo Aus
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Do you have any dates of birth,where they from Scotland
found Josephine in 1891 census born Croydon Surrey.You might get more help if this was moved to the right board.
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1891
Ellen Neville 75 widow living on own means b Warlingham Surrey
Ellen Neville 42 dau single living on own means b Croydon Surrey
Josephine Fitzgerald 41 widow living on own means b Croydon Surrey
13 St Georges See,Kensington London
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1851
John Russell 71 independent b Sanderstead,Surrey
Eleanor 59 wife b Rotherhithe Surrey
Eleanor Neville 32 dau doctors widow b Warlingham Surrey
Frank Hay Neville 5 gr son b Croydon
Hiron Neville 2 gr dau b ditto
Josephine 1 gr dau b ditto
2 servants
60 North End Croydon
possible marriage for Josephines mum
Elenor Russell
Joseph Neville
Jun qu 1844 Croydon
1841 census
Joseph Neville 40 surgeon not born in county
High Street Croydon
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Where did you find the marriage and death of Samuel Fitzgerald,I cant see either on FreeBMD
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Hi! Samuel Richard Fitzgerald was living with his wife Josephine at 8 Hope Street St Andrew's Fife Scotland aswell as other residences throughout Scotland and Ireland. This information came from Samuel's will in 1890 in Fife. Jo
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Did the address come from the will as well.Cant see them on any census.
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Yes, the address was on the will. He seemed to live in a few different places!!
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Hi
Just noticed that you've popped up in Scotland :)
Samuel Rodger* Fitzgerald, aged 65, died St Andrews and St Leonards in 1890
This is showing on the Scotlands People site. Information about his parents would be given on the death cert which you can purchase and download from the site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
It's very reasonable - 6 credits
* wrongly indexed - it's Richard
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Very interesting!
From his death cert:
Samuel Richard Fitzgerald
Barrister at Law
married
1st to Eliza Jemima Newall
2 to Josephine Nevill
Died 23 March 1890 at 8 Hope Street, St Andrews
Parents - Gerald Fitzgerald, Resident Magistrate (Ireland) Deceased and Isabella, maiden surname Morton Deceased
Informant - Margaret Fitzgerald, sister, Clonmel.
So was he originally from Clonmel?
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You are so clever! How did you find that. That's great :) Thank you..
I will keep investigating and will see where that takes me.
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We have been told there was a link between our Oswestry Fitzgeralds and Lord Edward Fitzgerald. Also, that four or five uncles were behedded :( Silken Thomas Fitzgerald???
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I've been looking for a marriage between Samuel and Josephine Nevill* but so far I can't see one in Eng & Wales (I think the site I use also includes overseas) , Scotland or Ireland :-\
I might have missed something but it's very odd!
It might be that you have to trace William Fitzgerald (b.c. 1799) further. They must have all originated in Ireland at some stage as Fitzgerald is an Irish surname.
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Absolutely! We have been looking for William senior's ancestors for years! This is why we were really interested when we found this. Could there be a connection...there are so many Fitzgeralds so who knows!!! We can't find a birth record for him, it's like he just appeared! William named his first son Samuel, and another son Richard who sadly died , and so far this is the first line we have found with both these names in it from a scottish line. *sigh*
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Hi Joe
I am interested in Josephine FitzGerald because in 1901 she was appointed guardian of an orphan that I have been researching for many years. In the 1901 census she was living at 31 The Close, Salisbury. In 1911 she is listed in the household of her sister at 28 The Close. She died on 2/11/1926, when her address was 52 The Close. I'll email you her will and further details if you wish.
regards
Simon
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Hi Simon, that sounds great. I will message you my email,
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I'm interested in the life of Josephine Fitzgerald, is there any more information ?
cheers, Will
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Hi Will, I have some bits and pieces, what's your interest?, regards Simon
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Not sure if the Irish bits are of interest but just in case they are...
From his death cert: Samuel Richard Fitzgerald Barrister at Law
married 1st to Eliza Jemima Newall 2 to Josephine Nevill
Died 23 March 1890 at 8 Hope Street, St Andrews
Parents - Gerald Fitzgerald, Resident Magistrate (Ireland) Deceased and Isabella, maiden surname Morton Deceased
Informant - Margaret Fitzgerald, sister, Clonmel.
So was he originally from Clonmel?
Old St. Mary's, Clonmel, Tipperary (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=FitzGerald&GSiman=1&GScid=2635264&GRid=176473819&): In memoriam of Gerard FitzGerald, born and died in Clonmel, 8-11-1823, 9-11-1893, son of Gerard FitzGerald. And Isabella Morton, his wife. Marrien Mary Seymour, of York, 25-7-1854. She was born at Frome 19-8-1822, and died at Southampton 19-9-1912. Also his sister Margaret FitzGerald, born at Mortlestown Castle, 14-2-1837, died at Kingstown 26-2-14. Buried in St. Patrick's Cemetery. Blessed are the dead, which die in the Lord. Rev. 14.13.
Isabella Fitzgerald, age 74, died 1884 Clonmel district- her death certificate will eventually be available online
Probate extract for Gerald Fitzgerald of Clonmel died 9 Nov.1893-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014907/005014907_00136.pdf
Gerald's death certificate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05983/4701544.pdf
Margaret Fitzgerald (sister of Gerald) died 1914 Kingstown-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05312/4478132.pdf
Probate extract mentions Jeannette Fitzgerald Lane (spinster)
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014918/005014918_00507.pdf
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Margaret Fitzgerald-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Pembroke_Street_Upper/84537
Jeanette Fitzgerald Lane executor in 1892 for mother Vida Lane (widow)-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014907/005014907_00232.pdf
Vida Lane's death certificate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06016/4712869.pdf
Old St. Mary's Clonmel: Vi[d]a Stanley Lane, died August 1892, aged 67. Lane, Jannette FitzGerald Lane, died June 1938, aged 86
More to be found it anyone is interested
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Thank you! Much appreciated. I will digest and report back.
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Okay, just let me know when you'd like more ;)
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Many thanks again aghadowey, that's been useful as background.
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Hi Will, I have some bits and pieces, what's your interest?, regards Simon
Hey Simon, thanks. I'm interested in the adoption of Dorothy by Josephine. Are there any adoption records, who was Dorothy's mother, was there any guardian other than Josephine?
Also, any sign of a birth certificate?
So many questions, it's a real mystery.
Cheers
Will
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Dorothy's 'adoption' predates official adoption in England so unless it was a legal arrangement done through a solicitor there probably won't be any paperwork.
Josephine's Will may provide provision or further details for Dorothy-
926 Fitzgerald Josephine of 52 The Close Salisbury widow died 2 November 1926 Probate Salisbury 4 December to Helen Nevill spinster and James Algernon Brown barrister-at-law. Effects £7489 8s.
Josephine's sister died 1929-
1929 Nevill Helen of 52 The Close Salisbury spinster died 6 January 1929 Probate Winchester 21 February to James Algernon Brown barrister-at-law and Gordon Tysen Legg retired ship owner. Effects £6002 11s 10d. Resworn £9345 17s 5d.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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I'm also researching Josephine Fitzgerald because of a Neville/Nevill family connection but I'm fascinated by her relationship with Dorothy Lawrence.
I believe she didn't leave her anything in her will, but I've found a photo of them together and a mention of her in a letter so at some point in 1914-1919 I believe they were close and that Josephine typically used 'foster' daughters. I can't pinpoint when Dorothy was 'fostered' though?
I'd be keen to know especially as it looks like Dorothy accused Josephine's husband of abuse - though by the dates provided he was only her husband for 2 years between 1888-1890 when Dorothy was only 1-2 years old? I suspect that that allegation might have been against someone else that Dorothy was staying with at the time, but if anyone has any evidence of Dorothy and Josephine's time together or a reason for their rift at Josephine's end-of-life I'd appreciate it.