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Hello. I live in the USA and could really use your help. This is as far back as I could get with my Kennedy family line (listed below). From my Grandfather (born in 1904) going all the way back thru the generations, they all were born, lived and died in Newcastle Upon Tyne; that is until Robert. Other than Robert's parents names of John and Jane Kennedy, I can't find anything to find the CORRECT John and Jane Kennedy. (I found MANY John & Jane Kennedy's but don't know WHICH ones --if any-- they could be.) Also, other than Robert being born, getting married, fathering William Dixon Kennedy, and dying I can't find anything else on him either.
I would greatly appreciate help on this.
AND...
~Did John & Jane have other kids?
~Did Robert & Harriet have other kids?
Thank you so much. Rhonda Kennedy ;D :)
~GRT-GRT-GRT-GRT-Grandparents:
Robert Kennedy
B: 1786 in Glanton, Northumberland, England
M: 1814 to Harriett Dixon in Kingston Upon Hull, York, England
D: 1849 in Glendale, Northumberland, England
Children:
WILLIAM DIXON Kennedy 1824 – 1871
~GRT-GRT-GRT-GRT-GRT-Grandparents:
John & Jane Kennedy... NO OTHER INFORMATION.
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1841 census shows
Harriet Kennedy age 50 born northumberland
william dixon kennedy age 15 born northumberland occupation cabinet maker
i wounder why Robert isn't with them
censu s
piece 845 book 1 civil parish of all saints northumberland
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Somehow I don't think the Robert Kennedy death 1849 Glendale is your Robert.
The 1841 Census posted by Doran54 shows Harriet as 'Ind' i.e. Independent, and there appears to be no trace of Robert anywhere - I would suggest that Robert was already dead by 1841 and that as Harriet was 'Independent' in 1841 he had left her provided for.
That said, unless you can find Robert's death before 1841, you can have no idea where/when he was born and he may not even be the son of a John and Jane.
Annette
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There is a John Kennedy burial at Belford St. Mary in 1795, age 50. Right area and timeframe to be a potential parent for your Robert. May be worth looking more closely at Belford parish transcripts to see if you can find a marriage to a Jane and birth record for Robert and maybe more.
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there is a robert kennedy correct age in portsea portsmouth hampshire he's in the navy
on the 1841 census canot find any other robert thats a possible match
robert kennedy age 55
mary kennedy 45
mary ann kennedy 24
william " 14
elizabeth " 12
henry " 8
do you think being in the navy he might have strayed and had another family as there seems to be no other trace of him?
also came across this john kennedy christened 1742 tynemouth northumberland father william kennedy.
john kennedy marriage to jane patterson embleton northumberland 26 july 1761
a possible?
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If Doran54´s theory is correct then there is a potential burial for Jane at Embleton in 1793.
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This seems to be a case of 'clutching at straws' at the moment just because time frames seem to fit.
Unless a positive burial can be found for Robert Kennedy which seems, more logically, to have been before 1841, one can just go round in circles.
I can't find burials for Newcastle upon Tyne 1824-1841 online so perhaps someone else has access to them. As William born there, and he and his mother still there in 1841, it seems the logical place for Robert's death.
Annette
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lets hope some one can up with a more solid answer but at the moment i can't seem to find anything on a death for him?
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1841 has ages of adults rounded down to nearest 5 years -and does not give relationships
1841 census which Doran posted also shows others living in same dwelling (they could be lodgers -could bbe family -we do not know from census)
1841
Painter's Heugh???
Newcastle upon Tyne All Saints
Harriet Kennedy 50 Ind Yes
William Dixon Kennedy 15 Cabinet M app Yes
Robert Atkinson 45 Shoemaker Yes
Thomas Atkinson 21 Shoemaker Yes
HO107 845 1 32 21
there is also - transcribed as McKennedy - image reads as if it could possibly be M Kennedy
1841
Silver Street
Newcastle upon Tyne All Saints
Robert M ? Kennedy 50 Lab (I =Ireland or could be S = Scotland?)
John Kennedy 25 Lab I or S?
HO107 845 2
There is no definate evidence yet -so we could just be going round in circles
Death cert definately needed
Suz
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doubtful ?? robert kennedy died oct 1837 york vol 23 page 376
but why would he be in york
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How do you know the 1837 death in York is the correct Robert???
Robert and Harriet married in Hull Yks -according to original post
so there is possibly some kind of Yorks connection???
Suz
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well i don't know its the correct robert thats why i put doubtful!!
found it on free B M D vol 23 page 376
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there is also a death reg in 1838 in Hull
Just guesswork and may confuse the issue without any certainty
There is a baptism
Maria Kennedy
7 April 1816
Cathedral St peter Sheffield Yks
parents Robert & Harriet Kennedy
could she be sister of William Dixon??
Strange no more children?
Do you have Robert's occupation??
Or any other details fro William Dixon Kennedy's marriage cert??
Witnesses etc
Suz
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This is what I have for Robert. (Birth and Death. )
Parents: John Kennedy, Jane
name: Robert Kennedy
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 28 Sep 1786
baptism/christening place: PRESBYTERIAN,GLANTON,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
birth date: 17 Sep 1786
father's name: John Kennedy
mother's name: Jane
Name: KENNEDY, Robert
Registration district: Glendale
County: Northumberland
Year of registration: 1849
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Volume no: 25 Page no: 220
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If you are happy that he is your Robert then I suggest you take a closer look at the John and Jane I mentioned in replies 3 and 5.
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You are only quoting a death entry registration reference so I am assuming you don't have a copy of the death certificate nor details of the burial. That being so, you cannot know how old the person was who died in 1849 hence my earlier point that without knowing his age at death/burial you can't estimate when he was born (unless there was something on his marriage that said he was from the parish of Glanton).
The 1841 census would strongly indicate that Robert was already dead by then as indicated earlier - and without knowing his age at death you can't know that the baptism you are quoting 1786 Glanton is him.
I note that you have a tree on A...y plus there are 2 others - the others show no details for Robert except for his marriage and baptism of son so clearly, at this point, they don't a) have his burial details and b) his circa birth date. From what you are quoting you have no proof of his death/burial either and therefore cannot say when/where born. Kennedy is a popular surname in both Scotland and Ireland and he could even have come from either of these places. Just because he, his wife and son were in Newcastle upon Tyne from at least 1824 and that he likely died there too you can't assume he was born in Northumberland - he married in another county and could have come from anywhere.
I don't mean to sound negative but just trying to point out that you can't assume 'facts' you must have reasonable proof.
You really do need to find his burial (more than likely in Newcastle upon Tyne) and ascertain his approximate birth year.
Annette
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Hello everyone! Thank you all for replying so quickly ;D I will be reviewing them on Monday when I am able to go thru them properly. Have a great weekend, and thanks again!!! Rhonda
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UP-DATE... i wish there was a way to attach a photo, so that I can put the actual baptism parish record of William Dixon Kennedy and other items, but I guess text will have to do for now :(
William Dixon Kennedy
Christening
Dec. 26th, 1824.
William Dixon son of Robert & Harriet Kennedy.
Abode: Pilgrim St.
Occupation: Shoemaker.
Then I decided to go back to check on Maria's baptism record in Sheffield.
Kennedy, Maria (of Sheffield, born 1815-12-29).
Baptised April 7, 1816, by e goodwin at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield.
Parents name(s) are harriett & robert (shoemaker). http://sheffieldindexers.com/ParishBaptismIndex.html
So that confirms they were in the York area at some point. The only Robert Kennedy and Harriet that I could find were in Kingston upon Hull...HOWEVER I did not have anything confirming it was actually them. Then someone found this for me :D (And it was a copy of the ACTUAL register with their signatures, etc).
27 Nov 1814
Kingston Upon Hull, Yorkshire, England
Robert Kennedy
Occupation: Shoemaker
Residence: Hull Holy Trinity
Marriage date & place: 27 Nov 1814 Hull, Holy Trinity
By licence or by banns: B
Spouse: Harriott Dixon
Spouse's residence: Hull Holy Trinity
Spouse's marital status: S
Father's first name(s) - Spouse's father's first name(s) -
Witness 1 George Eamshaw
Witness 2 Ann Thompson County Yorkshire (East Riding)
So FINALLY something to tie them all together...with him being a shoemaker.
Robert seems to disappear after William Dixon's baptism in 1824.
***Next question...Does anyone know of a record set where I could find their address & if he had a business?
Thank you :D
Rhonda Kennedy
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The death of a Robert Kennedy according to the GRO in 1837gives his age as 60
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Strange they only had 2 children 10 years apart.
Maria KENNEDY Married Thomas ROBSON, 5 Feb 1834, St John the Baptist, Newcastle upon Tyne,
Northumberland.
Witnesses, Mary Yarrow/Thomas Dodd.
1851 Census
Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
Thos Robson, 43
MARIA Robson, 36, born Sheffield*******
Jane Ann Robson, 15
Robt Henry Robson, 10
Mary E Robson, 8
Thos M Robson, 6
George Robson, 3
Harriet Robson, 1
As you probably know the 3 youngest Children are with their Uncle William in 1861 Census.