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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Emilinie on Wednesday 03 October 12 22:19 BST (UK)
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Right you are going to have to bare with me... as this is the very first thing i have tried to do on here... and i have no idea what i'm doing. ???
I am trying to find out about a family of Wayham's from Alcester in Warwickshire. They seem to never register their births, marriages or deaths and i cannot pin any of them down ???
William Wayham (c1830) appears in Staffordshire in Willenhall in 1851 listing Alcester as his place of birth, but i cannot find him barely before or after that. And he is never listed as marrying or dying. But lets face it.. by now he must be no longer of this planet ;D
In 1871 he pops up elsewhere in Warwickshire with a bunch of children (One of which called Harbutt ???) but if you look at GRO.. none of these children ever appear to have been registered. And they never died or married either. And neither did his wife Hannah.
Anyone want to help give me a clue?!
Much appreciated. And again.. sorry if this is totally the wrong way to use this.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
1861 RG9 piece 2233 folio 64 page 21
Mistranscribed as Weyhan
Studley Warwickshire
William Weyhan 33
Hannah 30
Mary 6
Ann 4
Ellen 2
Eliza E 2 months
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This is carolline who was 1 year old in 1871 born Studely. Looks like you have a lot of spelling variations with which to contend.
Births Sep 1/4 1869
Caroline Weyham Alcester vol 6d page 547
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Possible marriage. On same page FreeBMD
Marriages Mar 1/4 1853
Hannah Hill and William Weyham Wolverhampton vol 6b page 446
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Their first child.
Births Mar 1/4 1855
Mary Weyham Wolverhampton vol 6b page 423
And second
Births Dec 1/4 1856 Anne Weyham Wolverhampton vol 6b page 409
And 3rd
Births Mar 1/4 1859
Ellen Weyham Wolverhampton vol 6b page 459
These are the children all down as born Millenhall Staffs in the 1871 census
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Births Mar 1/4 1861
Eliza Jane Weyham Alcester vol 6d page 525
Births Mar 1/4 1863
Sarah Weyham Alcester vol 6d page 540
Births Dec 1/4 1865
William Thomas Weyham Alcester vol 6d page 519
so the J in 1871 should be a T?
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Births Jun 1/4 1867
John Weyham Alcester vol 6d page 550
And Harbutt is Herbert?
Births Jun 1/4 1871
Herbert Weyham Alcester vol 6d page 559
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1881 RG11/3105/45/24
Redditch road Studley
Wm. Weyham 52 needle finisher Studley
Hannah 50 Millenhall
Mary 26 Millenhal
Eliza 20 Studley
Wm.T. 15 (yep William T not J) Studley
Caroline 11 Studley
Herbert 9 Studley
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1891 census is a bot of a mess. Written on original image name is clearly Wheyham but has been transcribed as Whigham! I have put in two corrections - Wheyham, as per image, and Weyham as per marriage and death records.
1891 RG12/2480/42/27
Studely
William Whigham 63 Studely
Hannah 60 Millenhall
Mary 35 dau Millenhall
Ahia Thentall 9 granddaughter born Sheffield (I can't read her name)
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Deaths
Sep 1/4 1893
William Weyham 65 Alcester vol 6d page 428
Sep 1/4 1898
Hannah Weyham 65 Alcester vol 6d page 457
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1881 RG11/3105/45/24
Redditch road Studley
Wm. Weyham 52 needle finisher Studley
Hannah 50 Millenhall
Mary 26 Millenhal
Eliza 20 Studley
Wm.T. 15 (yep William T not J) Studley
Caroline 11 Studley
Herbert 9 Studley
[/qu Could Millenhall be Willenhall?
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Marriage at St Mary's Studely
Caroline Weyham
born about 1870
Age 26
Spouse Thomas Chesshire
Age 23
Marriage date 21 Sep 1896
Parish Studley
Father = William Weyham deceased
Spouse's Father - Thomas Chesshire
Witnesses Mary Elvins and Mark Cheshire
Mary Elvins is Caroline's sister and her marriage to George Edward Elvins is on FreeBMD in 1893.
Hi guyana. Yes it could. I didn't question the transcription ; cos it sounded feasible to me. :)
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Marriage
Eliza Jane Weyham
born about 1862
Age - 30
Spouse Harry Houghton
Age 30
Marriage date 12 Jul 1892
Parish -Studley
Father - William Weyham a Finisher (with needles as in censuses?) He is not down as deceased on this marriage)
Spouse's father - George Houghton
For both marriages all signed their names. My internet is on a go slow so I can't see the names of the witnesses for this marriage.
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I think William also left a will, the probate of which is on ancestry but again my internet is going slow and won't let me see the image.
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I have to say... as a newbie i did not expect that much help so quickly!!! ;D
Thank you very very much!!! Here is my thing with the Wayhams.... my Great Great Granfather was born Sidney Hill Baker. His father and mother never married and listed themselves on many a census in Willenhall as husband and wife... but they were lying as they never got married (still don't know why). Sidney's mom and dad were called (according to the census's) 'Sidney Hill' and 'Jane Baker'. But i could never find Sidney Hill ever being born or passing away. After a lot of digging i believe Sidney was born Sidney Alexander Wayham and was the first child of William Wayham and Hannah Hill. So i am very excited to know where you got that possible Wolverhampton marriage from?? ???
I have ordered the birth certificate of Sidney Wayham... in the hope it will def prove his mother was Hannah Hill... if it is i hope to tie up that when his parents moved to Alcester... that he was left behind with his Grandparents... and as such took on the name 'Hill'.
Do you have any ideas of how to prove this theory... because although i know Sidney 'Hill' died between 1901 and 1911... as you say... Wayham (if it was his birth name) has a zillion different misspellings.. and its very difficult to know which one is correct.
Once again... even if you can't help anymore... thank you very very much ;D
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And yes... i would imagine 'Millenhall' is indeed 'Willenhall'. Its a village i guess between Wolverhampton and Walsall.
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Possible marriage. On same page FreeBMD
Marriages Mar 1/4 1853
Hannah Hill and William Weyham Wolverhampton vol 6b page 446
FreeBMD is where I got all the births and marriage for this family.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
If you want to order any of the certificates here is the GRO link. When ordering use the spelling as it appears on FreeBMD.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Let us know what the certificate says when you get it. It does sound hopeful with Hannah being a Hill
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Brilliant on the certificate info! ;D
I will go to Wolverhampton Archives and check the registers for St Giles church in Willenhall. I think being as Hannah's family all went there that there is a fair chance they will too.
and i will let you know because the help has been much appreicated. if the hill/wayham connection is what i think it is you have found out where the wayhams ended up... which is great.
Thanks so much.
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Found this
1884 Spennell's Directory of Leamington
John Wayham Needle M
William Wayham Needle M
National Probate Calender
William Weyham
died 15 August 1893 Warwickshire
Probate 14 September 1893 Administrative place - Birmingham
To Hannah Weyham - widow
Effects 116 pounds and 5 shillings.
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Right so Sidney Alexander Wayham was born in Sep 1850 and lived for at least the first ten years of his life in Willenhall... appearing in the cenus there with his grandparents Thomas and Mary Ann Hill in 1861. He then vanishes and Sidney Hill appears and lists himself on the census's with his 'wife' who was actually just the lady he lived with until 1901. In order to make sure Sidney Wayham is indeed the Sidney that turns into Sidney Hill and has a variety of offspring with his girlfriend Jane Baker, most of which they give the middle name Hill i need to find a death record for Sidney between 1901 and 1911 as by 1911 Jane who he had always listed as his 'wife' Jane Hill becomes Jane Baker again and is a 'widower'. ?!? ???
If you are still keeping up (which i struggle with to be honest ;D) i am trying to locate a death for Sidney in the Willenhall/Wolverhampton/Walsall area in that 10 year period. I know they had always lied on census's prior to that date about their marital status etc... but i am really hoping this one isn't a lie. However if his real name is Sidney Wayham... i am (as i think someone already pointed out) struggling with a variety of mispellings (or maybe correct spellings ???) of the name Wayham. I have tried Wheyham, Weyham, Wareham and as many others as i could think of.. but am still coming up with zilch!!
Any and all help is much appreciated?!?!? :)
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1851 HO107 piece 2020 folio 179 page 15
Walsall Street
Thomas Hill 46 locksmith Willenhall
Maryann Hill 42 Willenhall
Joseph Hill 15 son Willenhall
Mary J Hill 12 dau Willenhall
Clara Hill 2 dau Willenhall
William Wareham 22 son in law labourer Studley warwickshire
Hannah Wareham 21 wife Willenhall
Sidney A W Wareham 6 months son Willenhall
Sidney Alexander 41 lodger saddler Willenhall
William Alexander 32 lodger saddler Willenhall.
The enumerator has got it wrong having Hannah as wife, obviously of William, but she should be down as dau of Thomas and Sidney should be down as grandson
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I can't find a death for Sidney and I have used just his first name and birthdate without putting in initials or place of death. Nothing under Hill or variations of Weyham. Bah.
However looking at all the censuses for the Hills and Weyhams I agree with your theory that Sidney adopted his grandparents surname. So many of the children's names are repeated through the family. eg Clara, and the birth places are consistent.
Oh, Just noticed the surname of the lodgers in 1851. I wonder if this is where Sidney got his middle name of Alexander?
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I am glad someone else agrees with my theory to be honest :)
But unless i can find something concrete.. it remains just a theory. I am going to try and head to Walsall Archives at some point as they have cemetary records there for a place that was literally just round the corner from where they all lived in Willenhall.
And yes... Alexander. As it turns out the lodger's were Thomas Hill's brother in laws. His wife Mary Ann was originally Mary Ann Alexander. So i think it stands a chance. ;D
I might look on ancestry for the will mentioned as well.. and see if it makes reference to Sidney. It would seem he was born before William and Hannah married, but as i have his birth certifcate i can definately say they told the person doing the certificate that they were married. I have no idea how that would have worked then ???.
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You will only find the probate record online, at ancestry. For the will itself you will have to contact the Probate Office, so The national Archives web site says. :) I always find TNA a messy site to move around.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/willafter1858.htm
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Hi
If it is Administration, there is no Will, and will give you no more information, other than what as already been posted
Margp
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never mind then! thank you marg.
i am at a total loss on other ways to prove my theory so ideas are welcome ??? ???
much appreciated.
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Hi Everyone,
I have on the Chesshire family tree in ancestry which is public, the details of William Weyham M Hannah Hill and having Sidney Alexander Weyham etc. Please feel free to check in out.
Kind regards
Sue McKoy nee Chesshire