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Title: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Wednesday 10 October 12 03:54 BST (UK)
Trying to get details of a Bridget Coffey born in Ireland 1835 (maybe Limerick).  Married on 14 January 1860 in St Nicholas Church, Penrith NSW.

Would like to confirm birth date, parents and how she arrived in NSW Australia.

Any help appreciated.

:) Thank you
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: barryd on Wednesday 10 October 12 05:42 BST (UK)
There is a reference to Bridget Coffey on familysearch.org
A "Submited Tree".

https://familysearch.org/search/records/index#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ABridget~%20%2Bsurname%3ACoffey~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3AAustralia~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1860-1860
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Wednesday 10 October 12 06:59 BST (UK)
Hi there,

The NSW BDM mc for Bridget COFFEY and Patrick DORAHY registered at Penrith 1860  #2390 may not have all the details that appear on the Parish Register.  Have you contacted St Nicholas’ archivist or at least the Parish Secretary? 

http://www.stnicholasofmyra.org.au/ 

Here’s a thread I did up to help other RChatters overcome some of the apparent hurdles on the NSW BDM mc records 1856-1895.   I hope it will help you too.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 10 October 12 12:46 BST (UK)
This is from a tree on Ancestry.  I have changed it a bit, the spelling and grammar made it difficult to read ::)

Bridget arrived in Geelong, Victoria with her sisters Julia, 18, and Mary, 21, as assisted immigrants on the Epson.  They were listed as domestic servants from Limerick, and were Roman Catholic.  Bridget and Julia could read and write, Mary could only read.

They were employed for 3 months and then left for Sydney on the coastal vessel City of Sydney, arriving 3 September 1855.  Their parents, Patrick and Catherine and 5 siblings arrived in NSW in 1856 on the Commodore Perry.

Julia married William DORAHY in 1859, Bridget married Patrick DORAHY in 1860, and  Mary married John Taylor in 1862.  All sisters survived into the twentieth century. 

You would of course need to check these details yourself.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 10 October 12 12:59 BST (UK)
Well, for a start I can tell you that the immigration info for Patrick and Catherine on the Commodore Perry does not tally with them being the parents of these three girls.

Patrick states that he has no relatives in the colony, and Catherine states that she has two brothers, Henry and Ralph, at St. Mary's, South Creek.  Her maiden surname is NASH.

It seems a bit odd that they would not mention their daughters, but a death cert. may confirm the names of all their children.

Henry and Ralph NASH arrived together on the Forth (1) in 1830.  They were tried at Tipperary in 1829 for manslaughter and both were serving a 7 year sentence.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: judb on Wednesday 10 October 12 13:26 BST (UK)
Death Notice for Julia DORAHY, Jan 1903, gives her age as 65, thus a birth-date of abt 1837.

Death Notice on p4 ; funeral notices on p8.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1337082

Judith

Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 02:33 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I posted some info about Patrick DORAHY on the following thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,618974.0.html

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 02:43 BST (UK)
The NSW SRO’s Deceased Estates Index has a file for a Bridget DORAHY, (Mossvale) with date of death as 12 Nov 1919, and Duty paid 25 March 1920.

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online

These files can often contain various witness statements, and their supporting evidence may well include BDM certificates or other information about the deceased's origins.

Adding
Bridget’s husband was a Police Officer
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/86111641 Cumberland Argus and Fruitgrowers  22 Nov 1919
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15875795  SMH 12 Dec 1919 Probate Notice (Hugh Dorahy as Exec)


Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 03:31 BST (UK)
Hi there,

NSW ER 1870 THE NEPEAN

COFFEY
Michael, residence, Frogmore
Patrick, household, Frogmore
Patrick, junior, residence, Frogmore
William, residence, Frogmore

COFFY
John, residence, Frogmore

DORAHY
Patrick, household, Greendale
William, senior, leasehold, Greendale
William, junior, freehold, Luddenham

NB “Frogmore” was a locality near to “Mamre House”, (Rev Samuel Marsden’s country estate, South Creek in the Nepean/Penrith district of NSW)  and was perhaps where Hume and Hovell set out back in 1824 to find more grazing lands.    There used to be a monument (horses trough) back in the 1960s to the two explorers start point  at Frogmore, (Luddenham Road, Erskine Park).    I am not sure if the monument is still there, if so it would be on the western side of Luddenham Road, almost where the road intersected with Mamre Road.

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 04:17 BST (UK)
Hi there,

1875 Grevilles PO Directory
At PENRITH:
Michael COFFEE, farmer, Frogmore
Patrick COFFEE, farmer, Frogmore
William COFFEE, farmer, Proctor lane

Cheers,  JM    (off to make a cuppa .... coffee   :) )
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 04:31 BST (UK)
Well, for a start I can tell you that the immigration info for Patrick and Catherine on the Commodore Perry does not tally with them being the parents of these three girls.

Patrick states that he has no relatives in the colony, and Catherine states that she has two brothers, Henry and Ralph, at St. Mary's, South Creek.  Her maiden surname is NASH.

It seems a bit odd that they would not mention their daughters, but a death cert. may confirm the names of all their children.

Henry and Ralph NASH arrived together on the Forth (1) in 1830.  They were tried at Tipperary in 1829 for manslaughter and both were serving a 7 year sentence.

Debra  :)

May I please add

Commodore Perry to Sydney arriving 1 May 1856.
COFFEY family
Patrick ( 50), Catherine (45), William (22), Honora (16), Patrick (14), John (12), James (10) - all of Limerick.
Also on that same passenger list
NASH family
James (30), Catherine (31) Michael (7), Bridget (5), Mary (2), - all of Limerick

The passenger list is free to search at the following link
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316#the-list-of-ships

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Thursday 11 October 12 09:20 BST (UK)
Not sure how to reply to individual postings.   But a big thank you to all those who answered the post.

:)  Marilyn
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 09:29 BST (UK)
 :)  :)  :) You don't need to reply to each individual post, but it is great to know you appreciate the replies.

I am sure that each of us is happy to read your post, and know that you appreciate the info. 

I am also sure that we would love to know which bits you would like any futher efforts to concentrate on, and if you think we are "on track" .... 


Many cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Thursday 11 October 12 09:39 BST (UK)
I do know that Patrick died in Greendale and Hugh was born in Greendale. NSW.

Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Thursday 11 October 12 09:41 BST (UK)
Bridget's parents were Catherine NASH and Patrick.   Patrick died in Cargo, NSW in 1872
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Thursday 11 October 12 09:45 BST (UK)
Bridget's parents were Catherine NASH and Patrick.   Patrick died in Cargo, NSW in 1872

May I ask a rather direct question ..... which document/s the info comes from please.   

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Thursday 11 October 12 10:00 BST (UK)
No documents - just family talk.
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Friday 12 October 12 06:04 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I cannot find a likely marriage for your Catherine NASH and Patrick COFFEY. 

I think you may need to spend some pennies and order a certificate or two, or at least contact St Nicholas' church at Penrith to see if they have further details for the marriage of 1860 of Bridget Coffey.  I don't think you can establish Bridget's details without knowing what information Bridget herself provided when she was getting married.

You can save yourself a lot of fruitless effort and avoid searching along the wrong tracks if you can gather all the info that Bridget provided in 1860.



Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Friday 12 October 12 06:25 BST (UK)
Thanks JM - I'll order a certificate.   Appreciate all your help.

Marilyn
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: majm on Friday 12 October 12 06:40 BST (UK)
Please consider ordering an official transcript.  The 1860 mc from the NSW BDM will be in the same handwriting all through it and will not give you the handwriting of the bride or groom.  An official transcript is cheaper, arrives by email as an attachment.   Each of those three Official Transcription Agents offer excellent service, and they are fantastic at reading the 19thC handwriting. 

Here's the RChat thread that will help.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html

Registry of BMD New South Wales
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm

·   Details on ALL Certificates for New South Wales
·    http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/familyHistoryCertificates.htm
·    http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

Transcription Agents
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

Adding this link
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent

Cheers,  JM
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Friday 12 October 12 11:36 BST (UK)
I have contacted the Parish registrar who is going to check the records next week.

thanks JM


regards, Marilyn

Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 12 October 12 12:13 BST (UK)
Marilyn, are you aware that the DORAHY descendants hold family reunions? The last one being July this year.

They have researched a large family tree & also have a book printed on the family.

They have Patrick DORAHY b.c. 1833 Tyrone, marr 1. Mary PIDGEON & marr 2. Bridget COFFEY.

Is this your family?

I have PM'd you their contact details :)

Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: ev on Saturday 16 September 17 11:15 BST (UK)
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i have marriage certificate of bridget coffey.

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I have most of the information on the coffeys.

Alan Wright , Reported to Moderator , if you wish to post please use the Reply button.



ev
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Alan Wright on Saturday 16 September 17 11:23 BST (UK)
I am a grand son of the coffeys and have the marriage certificates bridget and some of the others.
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Marilyn1511 on Saturday 16 September 17 11:24 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: dawnsh on Saturday 16 September 17 11:30 BST (UK)
Hi Alan

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

If you are related to Marilyn, you may want to exchange email addresses via our personal message system.

You need to increase your post count once more but there are more details here.

http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php

Dawn
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Alan Wright on Sunday 17 September 17 00:52 BST (UK)
Not sure how to reply to individual postings.   But a big thank you to all those who answered the post.

:)  Marilyn
I am grandson of coffeys and have a lot of info I could share.
Title: Re: COFFEY
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 17 September 17 01:08 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat, Alan

One more post and you can PM.

Jamjar