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Hi,
Peter Walker died in 1857 at Tippethill, Bathgate. Also on the census it states his address is Tippethill, Bathgate. He was a farmer. Is there such a town in Bathgate? All I have found on the internet is Tippethill Farm and Hospital. I also found a Robert Walker who died in 2009 who was said to have lived at Tippethill Farm. I am wondering then if my Walker family actually lived on that farm.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank You.
Becky
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HI Becky
Likely a farm's name. Have you seen the entry in the Wills & Testament section of Scotlands People for Peter Walker, farmer at Tippenhill Farm, on 19 Dec. 1857?
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Yes I have. That is my relative and I had it printed out. I hope it is the farms name. I know Walker's don't live there now but maybe I can write to that farm and ask if they know if any Walker's owned it or worked on it. Thanks again.
Becky
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Hi Beckey
Walkers still show at Tippethill Farm in 1901:
Robert Walker 55, farmer b. Whitburn, linlithgowsh
Julia Walker 52
James Walker 31
Peter Walker 21
David Walker 8
Julia Walker 13
...and four farm/domestic servants
Address: Tippethill Farm, Bathgate
Possibly still also there in 1946. There is a newspaper notice that year announcing the marriage for the youngest daughter of a Mr and Mrs Peter Walker, Tippethill Farm.
Monica
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This is fun piece here www.simplysamplers.org/content/pages/the-samplers/west-lothians-samplers.php
From this, www.armadale.org.uk/population.htm I think Robert Walker who showed on the 1901 census may have died in 1903, a mention of a death notice or obituary:
Robert WALKER, Tippethill Farm, Between Whitburn and Armadale. 17 April 1903
Not sure which of Peter Snr.'s children you are following, but you should be able to confirm this Robert's parents from his death cert on Scotlands People (although I have seen an online tree that gives his parents as James Walker and Isabella Walker....I think Isabella, wife of James is the link to Peter Walker Snr. from your first post)
A further death notice here (maybe connected to the 2009 death you mentioned?) http://announce.jpress.co.uk/10602929?s_source=jpsc_scot
I am sure you would get lots of assistance if you contacted the West Lothian Local History Library www.westlothian.gov.uk/tourism/LocalHistory
At least 150 years of history of Walkers at Tippethill Farm it seems....
Monica
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Regarding Tippethill Farm, from a notice in the Scotsman on 10 June 1846:
Farms in Linlithgowshire to be let:
To be let, with entry at Martinmass 1845 and Whitsunday 1847, on a lease of 19 years of such shorter period as may be agreed on,
The following Farms and Lands in the vicinity of Whitburn, on the Estate of Polkemmet, belonging to Sir William Baillie, Bart :-
1. The Farm of Tippethill, as presently possessed by Peter Walker, containing 148 Imperial Acres.
.....cont...
Monica
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Hi Monica,
What can I say. You are fantastic at having found all the information for me. I live in the US and I have been doing genealogy for 30 years but would have had no idea how to find out what you have. I sure appreciate it and if there is ever anything you need on this end I would be happy to help you. Peter Walker was the son of my 5th great grandparents Peter Walker and Margaret Chalmers.
Thank you so much for all your help. Cheers :)
Becky
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Becky, ADP posted this link for Whitburn on another post today here http://maps.nls.uk/os/view/?sid=74400787#sid=74400787&zoom=6&lat=3932.2143&lon=9615.85711&layers=BT
The map is from the National Library of Scotland collection, and this one is from 1890.
If you look just above Whitburn, you can see Tippethill. Just North east of Whitburn and South West of the '9 S W' on the map. Clearly a farm area don't you think?
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Great map. I know it is not on my road map of Britain so it was probably a farm area. Terrific work. Thanks again. I am just on the GRO's now doing some look ups.
Becky
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Hi Monica,
You have opened up a world of information for me and I have found out that Peter Walker was in the Clydesdale Horse Society as he was breading Clydesdale horses at Tippethill Farm. I have also found obits for some of the family. Many many thanks.
Becky
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Hello Becky,
I have Walker ancestors from Bathgate in the 1800's. It was a common name in the area and I do not have a link to the Walkers of Tippethill although there may well be one further back. But here are some burial records for your Walkers I obtained a few years ago from the local council Cemeteries Department -
Whitburn Cemetery - Section / Lair g 55
Lairholder James Walker, Farmer, Tippethill
18.04.1903 Robert Walker, age 55 years
16.02.1911 Julia Neill or Walker, age 62 years
Whitburn Cemetery - Section / Lair g 56
Lairholder James Walker, Farmer, Tippethill
12.06.1897 Isabella Walker, age 73 years
23.04.1934 Robert Walker, age 0
Whitburn Cemetery - Section / Lair g 57
Lairholder James Walker, Farmer, Tippethill
20.05.1867 Henry Walker, age 1 year
10.04.1868 Still born child Walker
30.11.1868 Still born child Walker
22.04.1898 Mary G Walker, age 0
13.02.1890 John Walker, age 0
06.05.1902 Still born child Walker
06.02.1911 Janet Walker, age 0
Canisp.
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Canisp, lots of detail there :)
Becky, not sure if you have come across geograph.org It is a growing modern photographic resource, trying to photograph every square kilometre of Britain and Ireland.
Here are a collection of photos with the 'Tippethill' ref. including one of the modern farm in the distance www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=37109522
This may be a closer shot of the farm, not sure - www.flickr.com/photos/lambo77/3915562962/
Monica
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Canisp,
Thanks so much for all the info on the Tippethill Walker family. Between you and Monica I have had a busy day going through all the information. So grateful to you.
Becky
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Monica,
Thanks for the info and I will go on and check out the photos.
Becky
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Tippethill Farm is just to the South of the hospital. :)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sfj/
Monica that Flickr photo you posted seems to be elsewhere in West Lothian. It looks familiar to me somehow. It's not the Whitburn one though. It wouldn't surprise me if there is another one, as there are many farms out there with very similar or identical names.
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Thanks Ian :) I wasn't sure as I posted that it was the farm area.
Monica
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Found this when browsing through West Lothian Heritage Services on Flickr and remembered this thread. A sampler by 12 year old Jeanie Walker of Tippethill in 1882. http://www.flickr.com/photos/westlopics/8184677651/in/photostream
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Thank you so much. It was very kind of you to remember.
Becky
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Hi,
Peter Walker died in 1857 at Tippethill, Bathgate. Also on the census it states his address is Tippethill, Bathgate. He was a farmer. Is there such a town in Bathgate? All I have found on the internet is Tippethill Farm and Hospital. I also found a Robert Walker who died in 2009 who was said to have lived at Tippethill Farm. I am wondering then if my Walker family actually lived on that farm.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank You.
Becky
hi there just to know that tippithill is not to close to bathgat but nearer to whitburn it lies about 3oo yards north of whitburn on the road to armadale the centre of the tippethill is the hospital called tippethill hosp even though it is more of a nursing home these days but it has a great reputaion i think tippethill farm is still therebut i will check thatout and post anything i find later walker is still a common name in whitburnbut tippethill is strictly whitburn area and we cannot forget tippethill mine which was a clay mine and closed 25 years ago it supplied clay for armadale
brickworks, but the farm was in the hands of a robert walker in 1881 he was born in 1845 ish and he had a son peter walker born 1880 but the farm was quite big 150 acres and there was 5 people employed as well as family so good luck and if i can help furtherplease contact me terry and guide dog usher
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Hello Becky,
I have Walker ancestors from Bathgate in the 1800's. It was a common name in the area and I do not have a link to the Walkers of Tippethill although there may well be one further back. But here are some burial records for your Walkers I obtained a few years ago from the local council Cemeteries Department -
Whitburn Cemetery - Section / Lair g 55
Lairholder James Walker, Farmer, Tippethill
18.04.1903 Robert Walker, age 55 years
16.02.1911 Julia Neill or Walker, age 62 years
Whitburn Cemetery - Section / Lair g 56
Lairholder James Walker, Farmer, Tippethill
12.06.1897 Isabella Walker, age 73 years
23.04.1934 Robert Walker, age 0
Whitburn Cemetery - Section / Lair g 57
Lairholder James Walker, Farmer, Tippethill
20.05.1867 Henry Walker, age 1 year
10.04.1868 Still born child Walker
30.11.1868 Still born child Walker
22.04.1898 Mary G Walker, age 0
13.02.1890 John Walker, age 0
06.05.1902 Still born child Walker
06.02.1911 Janet Walker, age 0
Canisp.
sorry i had to go but the peter walker that was born about 1880 died during november 1959 his wife was mary neally douglas walker and they are both buried in whitburn cem lair u 118 mary died in 1970 and i am sure they lived in balgornie farm that is the one next to tippithillagain part of polkemmet estate which is now owned by west lothian counncil after being taken over from national coal bord who took it over from ballie familybut when i get a chance i will look at my records of whitburn and bathgate cemsbut any help i can give is better done by email as i am blind and find this site a nightmare to work with my screen reader but being part of armadale history group i find this area on the edge of our boundry good to look at terry and g d usher
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Thanks again. I have been very lucky as I went on Ancestry.com and the Walker family has their family history on the site and it has been so helpful with photos of the family and also many grave stones. I am amazed at how much information I was able to obtain thanks to the person who put their family tree online. My email is (*) if it is easier for you to contact me.
Becky
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I'm new to this platform but have a snuff box belonging to Peter Walker of "Tipithill" ...I'm not looking to sell it but I think you'd find photos thrilling. Are we allowed to post photos here? It shows a man and two horses ploughing on front side, a nice healthy steer on the other...little oak box with removable lid, super pretty. I "inherited" from a friend in McLean, VA, who gave me box of strange things belonging to her home's former resident...it was an abandoned box of little antique things and this snuff box was in that. I've kept it for years but tonight came online to just Google Peter Walker "Tipithill." Inside the box is this handwritten note: Great great grand father Peter Walker. Mother was Agnes Andrews who was daughter of elizabeth Patton who was daughter of Robert Burns." I checked that and the great poet Robert Burns DID have a daughter out of wedlock named Elizabeth Paton (not two ts)...so that's pretty cool!
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Monica that Flickr photo you posted seems to be elsewhere in West Lothian. It looks familiar to me somehow.
I've only just caught up with this thread, but I recognised the Flickr image instantly. It's Knock Farm from The Knock. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3670355
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Hi Amy,
That is so fascinating. Yes I think you can insert the photo by going to the image under the B in the reply. It would be great to have a copy. He would be my first cousin x5 removed. I will have to look into the Patton and Burns link. Thanks for letting me know.
Becky
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Hi Amy,
I did my own research and Peter Walker's mother Agnes Andrew was born 1790 so she could not be the daughter of Elizabeth Patton as Elizabeth Paton the daughter of Robert Burns was born 1785. Also she married John Bishop in 1807.
Becky
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Elizabeth Paton or Burns or Bishop
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3221805
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3221816
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hi there just to know that tippithill is not to close to bathgat but nearer to whitburn it lies about 3oo yards north of whitburn on the road to armadale
Tippethill is geographically closer to the present town of Whitburn than it is to the present town of Bathgate. However it is north of the River Almond, and the River Almond is the boundary between the parish of Bathgate to the north and the parish of Whitburn to the south. Therefore it is in (the parish of) Bathgate, not (the parish of) Whitburn.
Monica posted a link to photographs taken around Tippethill, which is in grid square NS9465 in the Ordnance Survey map. See the map at http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS9465
In Scottish genealogy it's critically important to know which parish you are dealing with. All the pre-1855 records were collected on the basis of parishes. So when it says, 'Tippethill, Bathgate' what it is telling you is that Tippethill is in the parish of Bathgate. It just so happens that the main town in the parish has the same name as the parish in the case of Bathgate and Whitburn, but that isn't necessarily the case. The largest town in the parish of New Monkland is Airdrie, and the largest village in the parish of Dunnichen is Letham.
Road maps are pretty much useless for genealogy because they don't show all the small places, individual farms and houses. You need a map with a scale of 1:50,000 or more detailed. There are historic maps of Scotland at http://maps.nls.uk/series/index.html - go for the Ordnance Survey, Six-inch to the mile, 1st edition - 1843-1882 as a first step. If you want the NG Ref for Tippethill it is NS943659.
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Thanks for the grave markers. Now I am trying to find the children of Elizabeth Paton and John Andrew. I am trying to see if Agnes Andrew who married Peter Walker is their daughter. See Amy's information above.
Thanks
Becky
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Peter and Agnes had
Elizabeth, born 1812
Peter, born 1815
John, born 1816
Margaret, born 1818
Henry, born 1820
Isabel, born 1823
Agnes, born 1826
James, born 1828
Andrew , born 1831
all baptised in the parish of Whitburn. You would need to check their baptisms on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to see if any of the baptisms tells you where they resided at the time.
If they followed the naming tradition, I would expect Peter's parents' given names to be Peter and Margaret, and Agnes' parents' names to be John and Elizabeth. So far, so good.
The 1841 census lists the family at Tippethill, parish of Bathgate. Peter Walker, 50, farmer; John, 20; Hendry, 20; Isabella, 18; Agnes, 15; James, 13; Andrew, 11; all born in West Lothian. So it looks as if Agnes must have died before the 1841 census.
If that is so, it's going to be pretty difficult to prove who her parents were. What is your source for saying that she was born in 1790 and why do you think her parents might be John Andrew and Elizabeth Paton? I note that the International Genealogical index lists only one child of this couple, John, born 1798 in Galston, Ayrshire.
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I am connected to Peter Walker from Tippithill farm and I obtain much of the information from the McClure tree on Ancestry and they had Agnes Andrew born abt 1799. If you take a look at Amy Cunnigham's post above she said she had a handwritten note that Agnes Andrew was the daughter of Elizabeth Patton who had an illegitimate child Elizabeth Burns to the poet Robert Burns. On Robert Burn's biography it said that Elizabeth Paton married John Andrew 1788. I did find a John born to them but no Agnes so far. I did know that Agnes died before the 1841 census so I tried to find her on the GRO's but with no luck on births or deaths. Will keep trying. Thank you for the post.
Becky
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I am connected to Peter Walker from Tippithill farm and I obtain much of the information from the McClure tree on Ancestry and they had Agnes Andrew born abt 1799.
Ah. You originally said 1790 - I assume 1799 is a typo as Agnes' eldest child was born in 1812.
I know that the LDS have a practice of assuming, in the absence of other information, (a) that a couple's marriage was a year before the birth of their first child and (b) that women were aged 21 when they married. This isn't entirely unreasonable, though in my experience most women, or at least those in my tree, were a few years older than 21 when they married. Applying this logic to Peter Walker and Agnes Andrew would result in a guess that Agnes was born about 1790.
If the compiler of the McClure tree either copied from the LDS at FamilySearch, or worked it out the same way, then what you have is a guess, not a genuine or reliable date of birth.
If you take a look at Amy Cunnigham's post above she said she had a handwritten note that Agnes Andrew was the daughter of Elizabeth Patton who had an illegitimate child Elizabeth Burns to the poet Robert Burns.
Yes. I saw that, and also noted that Elizabeth Paton or Burns was born in 1785 and therefore cannot be the mother of Agnes Andrew born c 1790, or indeed anyone old enough to be married and having children in 1812 when Agnes' first recorded child was born.
On Robert Burn's biography it said that Elizabeth Paton married John Andrew 1788.
It is absolutely correct that John Andrew and Elizabeth Paton were married on 9 February 1788, in Tarbolton in Ayrshire. At the time Robert Burns' illegitimate daughter Elizabeth was aged only two; she was born on 22 May 1785 so had not had her 3rd birthday by 9 February 1788.
Given the Walker family tradition of descent from Burns, and the impossibility of them being descended from his daughter Elizabeth Paton or Burns, I wondered whether the Elizabeth Paton who married John Andrew in 1788 was the mother of Burns' daughter? Then Agnes Andrew would have been the half-sister, not the daughter, of Elizabeth Paton or Burns. This would be consistent with the statement in Burns' biography that Elizabeth Paton married John Andrew, and with a slightly garbled family tradition of a relationship to Burns being handed down in the Walker family.
So I had a look around and indeed the Wikipedia article on Elizabeth Paton describes her as 'later Elizabeth Andrew of Lairgieside, daughter of James Paton. It also says that she had four children to John Andrew. The relevant part of the Burness web site http://www.burness.ca/p94.htm#i940 also says that Elizabeth Paton, mother of Burns' daughter, married John Andrew.
So I think that is the answer to the Burns connection and to the parentage of Agnes Andrew.
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I also came to the same conclusion that she would have had to be the daughter of Elizabeth Paton who married John Andrew. GRO's have one Agnes Andrew born March 15, 1789 in Tarbolton and father is John. Of course we still don't know if her mother was Elizabeth. But she did name her first child Elizabeth.
There are several Agnes Andrew's born around the same time in Tarbolton with different fathers. So without the handwritten note from Amy Cunningham's post we could assume any one of those could be her father and not related to Elizabeth and John Andrew. I would still have to have proof that one of Elizabeth Andrew's children was names Agnes otherwise it would not go into my family history.
You have done a great job on this and I do appreciate all your help. I will continue looking for the names of Elizabeth's children although I doubt I will find them when they are not on the GRO's.
Thank you.
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GROS have one Agnes Andrew born March 15, 1789 in Tarbolton and father is John. Of course we still don't know if her mother was Elizabeth.
No, but the Wikipedia article says that John Andrew was in Largieside. If the baptism records for this Agness Andrew gives her father's residence as Largieside, that would be quite good evidence for her being the daughter of Elizabeth Paton.
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You probably know already that John Andrew remarried Jean Lees in 1799 so Elizabeth had to have died. They were living in Tarbolton and had a son Archibald. I have all the Agnes Andrew's born between 1787 and 1802 from all over Scotland some of which have both parents but two others with no wife on there. That is why I was concentrating on Tarbolton as they were the ones with only the father's name and the fact that John Andrew was living there.
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I just obtained the OPR for Agnes Andrew and it states that John Andrew of Largie baptised daughter Agnes.
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That's great - I don't think it leaves very much room for doubt.
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Thanks again for all you help.
Becky
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Burns daughter is buried in Whitburn, from memory her spouse Bishop was the Polkemmet factor.
Skoosh.
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I live locally and will try to get some photographs if required - let me know. If Tippethill is mentioned locally nowadays people automatically think of the hospital (like an old folks' home) and not the farm.
I see from above that the farm was part of the Polkemmet Estate (owned by the Baillie family). There were Walkers living in a property adjacent to (the now demolished) Polkemmet House up until the 70s or so at least. Maybe a connection, however Walker is not an uncommon name around here.
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Hi,
It has been awhile since I was last on the site. Yes my Walker family was said to have lived at Tippethill farm for 150 years. One of Peter Walker's grandsons Robert Walker b 1848-1903 who was married to Julia Neill was awarded a silver medal in 1897 from the Highland and Agricultural Society of Scotland for his Ayrshire Cow. He also received an award in 1882 for a Clydesdale Entire Colt. He was also in the Clydesdale Stud Book as a breader of Clydesdales. I don't know if the farm is still standing. I know there are other Walker families in the area but most of my Walker ancestors had lived on Tippethill farm. Thanks for the info.
Becky
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There looks to still be a Tippethill Farm. See www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1228562
Monica :)
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Thanks for the photo.
Regards
Becky
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my ggg grandfather John Dale married a Janet Walker (early 1800's). Janet died in 1843 in Bathgate and was born about 1771. They all lived in the Torpichen, West Lothian area ( i live in South Africa so have no idea of the area).
John and Janet had 2 sons, Willam and Peter (became a Rev later and died 1856). As the name Peter is not comon in their family i am hoping that the name Peter comes from the Walker family. Is anyone aware of a Janet Walker from the Bathgate area.
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Hi,
There are a few Walker families in that area. I have 8 Peter Walker's in my genealogy. Peter Walker and Margaret Chalmers. Peter was born 1757, Peter ii 1789, Peter iii 1815, Peter iv 1843. Then others 1853, 1857, 1880 and 1887. Only one Janet in 1850. Most of the time they lived on Tippethill Farm. You may be related to the other Walker's in the area. Check out the posts as I had heard from the other Walker family and they had some names on there. Good luck.
Becky
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My grandmother was born at Tippethill farm in 1899. She was Julia Neil (Walker) Colquhoun.
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Burns daughter is buried in Whitburn, from memory her spouse Bishop was the Polkemmet factor.
See Reply #25 above.