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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: paulsplace2009 on Thursday 08 November 12 18:03 GMT (UK)
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Hey everyone
My great x 2 grandfather died in 1931 at stacks fisheries in Bo'ness....
Can anyone tell me what this was?? As I have no idea how he would have ended up here!
Thanks
Paul
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Hi Paul
Is that all his death cert shows? Just Stacks fisheries for residence?
Monica :)
PS Not that I can see any reference to Stack fisheries in Bo'ness...
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Paul, The Stacks gets a mention on here,
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/boness/chapter10.htm
Skoosh.
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The Stacks mentioned there being a farm?
There is mention here of a John Paul at the Stacks in 1925 (second item on the l/h column) to do with the building of houses on that land www.edinburgh-gazette.co.uk/issues/14180/pages/1306/page.pdf
Can't see reference to the 'fisheries' bit of it... :-\
Monica
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hi everyone
sorry i havent replied sooner.
thanks for all the information.
i am totally baffled by how james ended up here when he had spent all of his life in glasgow.... maybe i will never find out.....
on the death cert, all it states is that he died at stacks fisheries, carinden.
so strange.....
thanks everyone.
Paul
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The Paul family still farmed at Stacks at least up to the end of the 1960's - I played there as a kid. Far east side of Bo'ness accessed from Carriden Brae and then about 1/2 a mile east of Carriden House. There was a big pond at the farm and the perhaps the 'dam' nearby could have been a fishery at one time - it still is adjacent to part of the Stacks farmland.
Osprey
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My great great grandfather who does here, had been a potter most of his life and then a restauranteur for a short period around 1913 to 1915 and then died at stacks fisheries in 1931.
I just can't figure out how he ended up here!
It's maybe one of those little mysteries that will never be solved.
Are there post office directories for Bo'ness?
Cheers
Paul
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Hi Paul
These are the main online post office directories made available through the NLS www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office
Don't think they have Bo'ness and also, in the main, stop around 1912 for the online versions. Likely you will need to view the later directories at a local Lothian reference library that has these.
Monica :)
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Paul, try the Falkirk Library and see if there's anything in the Falkirk Herald archive for this fishery. Sounds like they're raising trout?
Skoosh.
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The River Forth at one time (as far back as the 13th century) was a major producer of shell fish - particularily oysters in huge amounts along the south shores of the river around Bo'ness & Carriden. I recollect reading that one of the big shellfish farms bordered on the Stacks farmland which goes down to the shoreline at Carriden.
There used to be the ruins of one or two small houses just into the woods from the shoreline at Stacks boundaries. These may have been workers houses for the shellfish fishery there. The shellfish industry on the Forth went into decline from the 1870's and finally closed around 1920, mainly due to pollution.
It may be that these houses were let out to tenants after the fishing era ended. If you ancestor worked in the potteries it would only have been a 20 minute walk from these houses to the potteries at Bridgeness.
You might get some info from the valuation rolls for Carriden around the time of your ancestor's death. These are held at the archives at West Lothian Library - at Blackburn.
Osprey
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These are held at the archives at West Lothian Library - at Blackburn.
The Archives are in Deans Industrial Estate in Livingston. http://www.westlothian.gov.uk/tourism/libservices/ices/ves/
The Local History Library has moved from Blackburn to Linlithgow. http://www.westlothian.gov.uk/tourism/LocalHistory/ This is where the Valuation Rolls are.
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Thanks for the update - that may have saved me a trip to the wrong place in future.
Osprey
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Hi,
I have found a death notice in the Scotsman of a John Paul, Farmer, Stacks Farm on 25th April, 1930, who died in an Edinburgh Nursing home. He was to be buried at Bo'ness cemetry on the Tuesday.
Can this be one of the relatives?
Tom
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I don't think the originator of this thread gave us a name for his ancestor. The Paul family certainly had Stacks farm right up to these times if not still. Reading back on the thread it does not look like there is a relationship.
Osprey
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Current edition of Yellow Pages has J Paul & Son as farmers at Stacks Farm.
Osprey
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Hey everyone
My great x 2 grandfather died in 1931 at stacks fisheries in Bo'ness....
Can anyone tell me what this was?? As I have no idea how he would have ended up here!
Thanks
Paul
Hi Paul. I have just come across your post regarding the Paul's and Stacks Farm. I used to stay on the farm and was well acquainted with the fisheries which have been derelict since before WWII.
The fishery was a small stone building located on the shore of the River Forth just east of Bo'ness. It was part of Stacks Farm and as the name suggests is where fish were landed and processed. The ruins can still be seen there today.
Stacks Farm including the farmhouse has just been sold by the Paul family although some of them still reside there in a bungalow and a cottage. Hope this helps.
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Some photographs here
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NT0380
with some information about the oyster fishery at Stacks.
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Thanks to Forfarian for the above link.
The Fishery is named on the map, and is right beside the fence along the John Muir Way. I surmise that it belonged to Carriden Estate, but for once the old maps don't help - the buildings are marked but not named. My thanks to AG for telling me that the fisheries were for oysters in the mudflats, which were roughly as extensive in the mid-19th century as they are now. See discussion at left and also NT0380 : Oyster Shells. This must have been quite an attractive building before it fell into ruin.
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Approaching The Fishery
The Fishery is named on the map, and this is the first glimpse of it as one approaches from the west. I surmise that it belonged to Carriden Estate, but have yet to find any information about its history and what sort of fishing was involved. For once the old maps don't help - the buildings are marked but not named. However they do show that the mudflats were roughly as extensive in the mid-19th century as they are now, which must have had a bearing on the use of the buildings.
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By way of background. The Paul family owned Carriden estate and farmed Stacks Farm for over two generations. Carriden House itself was sold by them in 1997 and has recently changed hands again. As for Stacks Farm, it was sold in December 2015 as was the nearby Northbank Farm also owned by the three Paul brothers. The family still retain a bungalow and a cottage at Stacks Farm along with some 93 acres of farmland at Carriden Brae.
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Ian54, by republishing these image you are in breach of the Creative Commons Licence terms for re-use of these images, which provides that images may be re-used provided that due credit is given to the photographers. By failing to name the photographers in this thread you are therefore in breach of copyright. Can you please modify your two posts by adding the names of the photographers to comply with the CCL?
This is why I always give a link to photographs on this site rather than re-posting them. Doing this also preserves the links to other photographs of the surrounding area.
For details of the CCL see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
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Hi Ian
Many many thanks for these great photos and information. Very interesting.
I am not sure how my 2 x great grandfather came to die here, as he lived in Glasgow city all his life, but have came to the conclusion that his son, william copeland, must have been living here , as it was him who signed the death cert.
I dont know if the Paul amily would have any information as far back as the 1930s?
Many thanks again
Paul
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Hi Ian
Many many thanks for these great photos and information. Very interesting.
I am not sure how my 2 x great grandfather came to die here, as he lived in Glasgow city all his life, but have came to the conclusion that his son, william copeland, must have been living here , as it was him who signed the death cert.
I dont know if the Paul amily would have any information as far back as the 1930s?
Many thanks again
Paul
The Paul family who reside in the bungalow on the farm would be able to assist you further.
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Ian54, by republishing these image you are in breach of the Creative Commons Licence terms for re-use of these images, which provides that images may be re-used provided that due credit is given to the photographers. By failing to name the photographers in this thread you are therefore in breach of copyright. Can you please modify your two posts by adding the names of the photographers to comply with the CCL?
This is why I always give a link to photographs on this site rather than re-posting them. Doing this also preserves the links to other photographs of the surrounding area.
For details of the CCL see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
As I am unable to edit previous posts, the two pictures I posted previously of the fisheries as they currently exist should be credited to Anne Burgess.
www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=61675905
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Thanks for doing that, Ian54.
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Hi Ian
Is there anyway that you could put me in touch with the Pauls?
An email address maybe?
Many thanks
Paul
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i have photos of fishery and can get access to info nearly all ruined now
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Hi Ronald, i have sent you a private message