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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: kingskerswell on Monday 19 November 12 11:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I have come across a marriage of a Maria Horner to a Mr. James Wilson of Meath Park Aghadowey. The marriage took place late 1700s/early 1800s. I can see Meath Park on an Ordnance Survey map just north of Aghadowey but what is Meath Park?
Regards
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This is an easy one :)
Meath Park is the name of a large house in the townland of Ballybrittain and is on the present-day Lisnamuck Road.
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Hi,
Thanks Aghadowey, that would make sense.
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Are you sure about the marriage date?
James Wilson married Maria(h) Horner and the earliest baptism I have is for their son John Horner Wilson (18 June 1832 Macosquin Presbyterian Church). Mariah Horner was the daughter of Rev. James Horner who died 1842.
Have more on both Wilsons and Horners if you are looking for anything in particular.
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Thanks Aghadowey,
I am looking into this as the Rev. James Horner was married to Maria Murrell/Morell and she is distantly related to me being the sister of my 4xGgrandfather.
Using the Bann Valley site I have found the burial of John Horner Wilson and his brother William Sydney Albert Wilson in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church. I also have what I think is a family marriage of Christina Isabella Wilson to Alexander Cochrane in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church on
10 Sept 1858. I would be grateful if you can supply any other names of children of the Rev. James and Maria.
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In no particular order...
Macosquin Presbyterian Church baptisms:
June 18th 1832, John Horner Wilson, James (dec.) + Mariah, Meathpark
June 18th 1834, James Wilson, James + Mariah, Meathpark
July 6th 1836, Henry Charles Inglis Wilson (dead), James + Mariah, Meathpark
July 10th 1837, Christina Wilson, James + Mariah, Meathpark
Aug. 27th 1839, Henry Horner Wilson, James + Mariah, Meath Park
Coleraine Chronicle, 4 July 1846: DIED- On Sunday last at his residence, Meath Park, in this county, in the 53rd year of his age, James Wilson, Esq.
Headstone inscription on Bann Valley site is NOT accurate. It actually reads: In loving memory of John Horner Wilson Meathpark who died 25th April 1867. Also his brother Wm. Sidney Albert who died 26th June 1888.
Macosquin Church of Ireland: In memory of James Wilson of Meathpark died 1845 aged 60 years and his wife Maria Morelle.
Ironmongers' Note on Tenants (1863): Collins [townland]- Mrs. Maria Wilson Meath Park. This lady has a grand air. We call her the Tragedy Queen. She wanted to borrow money to repair the mill, which we declined.
Ironmongers' Tenants List (1886): Collins- Wm. Sydney Albert Wilson.
Will I post details of Mariah's children?
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Thanks again Aghadowey, the information is great and has added to my tree but I think that I have enough of this line. Thanks again.
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The following may be of interest. I am descended from John Wilson Senior and his daughter Mary Jane Wilson who married Rev Henry Haslett. I am also collaterally related to the wife of his son James (Maria Horner) through her grandfather James "Big Jacques" Morell.
Any additional dates or comments would be appreciated. This is my very first posting on any genealogical site so apologies if I am a bit slow to respond!
1b. John Wilson, of Meath Park, Aghadowey, linen-bleacher. As an enthusiastic supporter of American Independence John Wilson contributed the large sum of £100 to assist the French Revolution.
1c. John Wilson of Drumcroon, m. Matilda Brett, Belfast,
daughter of a lawyer.
xd. John Wilson et al.
2c. Mr. Wilson of Killeague, m.Eliza, daughter of Dean Carlton.
1d. Sarah Wilson.
2d. Eliza Wilson, m. Tom BRYCE.
xe. Fanny Bryce et al. (Canada).
Tom Bryce had two brothers, one of whom was headmaster of Edinburgh Private Boys' School; the other, Rt. Hon. James Bryce, D.C.L.,M.P., b. 1838, was the author of books on American History, British Ambassador to U.S.A., Under-secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in Gladstone's Government and a Cabinet Minister in Lord Rosebery's Government.
3d. Frances Wilson, m. Gerald FITZGERALD, lawyer and Mayor of Limerick.
4d. Samuel Wilson, died young.
3c. James Wilson of Meath Park, m. Maria Horner,
xd. children recorded in Morell Tree.
4c. Mary Jane Wilson, m. (1817) the Rev. Henry HASLETT, of Castlereagh.
xd. children recorded in Haslett Tree.
5c. Ann Wilson, m. Dr. HOUSTON of Macosquin, Aghadowey.
No issue.
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I am descended from Samuel Morell of Ballyquin and his granddaughter Alice Morell who married William Haslett of Lower Drumneecy, father inter alia of Rev Henry Haslett of Castlereagh.
Another of Samuel's granddaughters (daughter of an un-named daughter and Rev James Horner) was Maria Horner who married James Wilson of Meath Park.
Any dates or further information would be much appreciated. The children of James Wilson and Maria Horner include Maria Louisa (married to William Rankin of New Park) who is not amongst the baptisms at Macosquin. Is New Park another house in Aghadowen?
1. Samuel Morell of Ballyquin, N. Ireland. He acquired the estate in 1700. m. --.
1a. James ("Big Jacques") Morell -- note the French nickname -- of Ballyquin, m. (1721) Margaret Torrance.
1b. John Morell of Ballyquin, linen merchant.
1c. Maria Morell, m. Henry HASLETT of Upper Drumneecy (1806-86)
xd. Children recorded for Upper Drumneecy Hasletts.
2c. The Rev. James Morell (1773-1831) of Ballybay, Monaghan, m. Laetitia Harris of Ballybay, d.1841.
1d. The Rev. Charles Lucas Morell,Dungannon, Commissioner for National Education. (1820-96) m. (1848) Ann Browne, Donaghmore.
1e. Rev. Charles Lucas Morell 2nd, (1854-1932).
2e. Son, b. 1859.
2d. The Rev. John Harris Morell, 2nd Ballybay Presbyterian Church, (1810-88) m(1) Mary Montgomery Russel, m(2) Hester Dickson.
1e. daughter, b. 1843.
2e. daughter, b. 1846.
3e. Rev. James Morell (1849-1914)
m(1) Miss Moorehead,m(2) Miss McClean, m(3) Miss Black [(1) and (3) were the daughters of fellow clergymen].
4e. Hessie Maria Morell.
3d. Eliza Morell, d. 1837 in Ballybay.
3c. Eliza Morell, Ballyquin, (1785-1850).
4c. Ally Morell.
5c. Hugh Morell of Ballyquin.
6c. John Morell
7c. Henry Morell (1796-1856).
8c. Jane Morell, Mrs. LYND.
2b. The Rev. Samuel Morell, ordained in 1770 at Tullylish. He campaigned vehemently against "fairy rings" as evidence of pagan superstition. In 1772 he was killed by "Hearts of Steel" agrarian terrorists.
In 1772, Richard Johnston, J.P., of Gilford Castle, near Bannbridge, accompanied by his friend the Rev. Samuel Morell of Tullylish, raised a "sheriff's posse" and arrested some of the ringleaders of the "Hearts of Steel", and sent them to Dublin for trial. The terrorists were recruited from tenant farmers, mainly Presbyterian, who had been provoked by exorbitant increases in rent. In retaliation for the arrests, terrorists (estimated at two thousand!) laid siege to Gilford Castle, which was defended by Mr. Johnston, Mr. Morell and about twenty-five of the posse. After two hours the Rev. S. Morell was shot in the chest and fell out of the window. He was killed by a further fusillade. Richard Johnston, with minor head injuries, escaped by a back door and rode off to get military help. The rest of the garrison surrendered and the castle was sacked. Frightened by the bloodshed, the terrorists released their captives and "melted away", never to be heard of again. The Government in Dublin approved of Mr. Johnston's actions and granted him a baronetcy, a pension of £800, and a seat in Parliament! In turn, he erected a large memorial tablet to the Rev. Samuel in Tullylish Presbyterian Church. But a Dublin jury took a different view; they acquitted on all charges the "Hearts of Steel" ringleaders whom he had arrested.
3b. Daughter, m. the Rev. Dr. James HORNER (ordained 1799 at Ballybay) of Mary's Abbey, Dublin. "Horner" subsequently became a favourite Christian name among Hasletts, both in Ulster and in New Zealand.
1c. Maria Horner, m. James WILSON of Meath Park, Aghadowey (whose sister, Mary Jane Wilson, m.The Rev. Henry Haslett of Castlereagh.
1d. Christine Wilson, m. Dr. COCHRANE of Brooklyn.
xe. children (in U.S.A.).
2d. Maria Louisa Wilson, m.William RANKIN, New Park.
1e. Louie Rankin, m. Hugh Rankin MORRISON of Meath Park (son of Dr. H.S.Morrison, J.P., of Aghadowey.
2e. Eva Rankin
3d. Dr. James Horner Wilson, U.S. Navy.
1e. Montague Fitzjames Wilson. Drowned at sea.
2c. Henry Horner.
3c. Mrs. LINDSAY.
1d. Ellen Lindsay (brought up by Henry Horner above)
4c. Mrs. BROSTER.
1d. Mary Broster (also brought up by Henry Horner).
4b. Henry Morell (1745-1817) ? of Terrydremon.
5b. Mary Morell, d. unmarried in 1828.
6b. Alice Morell, m. William HASLETT of Lower Drumneecy.
xc. Children recorded under Lower Drumneecy Hasletts -- including the Rev. Henry Haslett of Castlereagh, mentioned above.
2a. Robert Morell, m. (1739) Mary Alison.
1b. Robert Morell.
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Hi Wowowuk,
I am descended from the Hasletts of Upper Drumneechy who, I believe, are related to the Hasletts of Lower Drumneechy. I have a considerable information on both families garnered from records in PRONI and information fron descendants in New Zealand and Australia. I will have a detailed look at the information you have supplied and get back to you.
Regards
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Hi Kingskerswell
I also have a considerable amount of data on the Upper and Lower Drumneecy Hasletts collated by my late father including family research from 100 years ago. The two groups are as you say almost certainly related (originally brothers?). I would not be surprised if much of the information you have was originally deposited with PRONI by my father! Maybe we should start a Drumneecy Haslett board? Still finding my way round this site. I may be "out of action" for next 2 or 3 weeks so don't worry if you get silence for a while.
Regards
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Hi Wowowuk,
It was obvious that the PRONI info was deposited before 1920 so it may very well be your father's research. I will send you a Personal Message (PM) with my E-mail address.
Regards
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Is New Park another house in Aghadowen?
Newpark is, I think, in the townland of Killykergan.
2d. Maria Louisa Wilson, m.William RANKIN, New Park.
1e. Louie Rankin, m. Hugh Rankin MORRISON of Meath Park (son of Dr. H.S.Morrison, J.P., of Aghadowey.
2e. Eva Rankin
~ William Ranken, gentleman, New Park, son of David Ranken, linen merchant, married 10 Jan.1878 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church to Maria Louisa Wilson, Meathpark, daughter of James Wilson, gentleman. Witnesses: Robert P. Ranken, Mary Haslett. Note: register not signed by minister.
~ Annie Louisa Ranken, daughter of William & Maria Wilson, born 22 June 1881, baptised 2 Oct.1881 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church
~ Maria Eva Kathleen, daughter of William & Maria Wilson, born 13 Jan.1884, baptised 19 May 1884 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church
~ Hugh Rankin Morrison, gentleman, Bellevue, [2nd] son of Hugh Smyth Morrison M.D., married 14 Dec.1910 Aghadowey Presbyterian Church to Louie Ranken, New Park, daughter of William Ranken J.P., gentleman. Witnesses: Albert Morrison, Eva K. Rankin. Note: marriage also in Coleraine Registry Office (not sure why)
~ Coleraine Chronicle, 26 Jan.1936: RANKEN- January 18th, at her residence, New Park, Garvagh, Maria Louisa, widow of the late William Ranken, J.P., aged 94 years.
~ Northern Constitution, 14 July 1917: At the Roman Catholic Church, Portrush, on the 7th inst., by the Rev. Father H. Skeffington, Frank Yaxle Welsh, eldest son of Captain Welsh, R.M., Dhu Varren, Portrush, Co.Antrim, to Eva Kathleen, younger daughter of Mrs. William Ranken, New Park, Coleraine, Co.Derry.
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A few more bits which may be of interest:
~ Coleraine Chronicle, 16 Aug.1856: HASLETT- At 11 Canning Street, Belfast, on the 16th inst., aged 64 years, Mary Jane, wife of the Rev. Henry Haslett, of Castlereagh, and daughter of the late John Wilson, Esq., Drumcroon, county Derry. Note: he died 5 Dec.1868.
Children of John Wilson (died 12 July 1832 aged 84) & wife Sarah (died 8 Jan.1809 aged 53)-
Hugh born 23 Jan.1778 (died in infancy)
Mary born 24 July 1779 (died in infancy)
Matty born 4 Mar.1781 (Martha died 16 May 1797)
Sarah Rice born 26 Dec.1782 died 9 Feb.1802
John born 29 Sept.1784 died 4 Nov.1852
Samuel born 17 Sept.1786 died 29 Jan.1833
Mary Jane born ___ 1788 died 10 Aug.1856
Betty born 12 July 1788 (died in infancy)
James born 14 Feb.1793 died 28 June 1846
Robert born 10 Sept.1794 (died in infancy)
Ann born 15 June 1796 died 12 Aug.1872
~ Belfast Newsletter, 5 Oct.1849: On Thursday, the 4th inst., by the Rev. Dr. Brown, Aghadowey, the Rev. Dr. Huston, Macosquin, to Anna, daughter of the late John Wilson, of Drumcroon, Esq.
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Gosh Aghadowey you are a mine of information!
It all ties in with my family records but now with added details - thanks.
I shall be responding again hopefully in a few weeks.
Many thanks.
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Macosquin Presbyterian Church baptisms- children of John & Matilda Wilson, Drumcroon:
John bapt. Nov.1825
Matilda Mary Brett bapt. 17 Dec.1826
Charles Thomas bapt. 22 Feb.1829 (deceased written in register)
Annabella Eliza bapt. 10 Sept.1830
Charles James bapt. 27 May 1832
Thomas C__ bapt. 11 Mar.1834
Mariah Sarah Wilson bapt. 12 Mar.1837
~ Coleraine Chronicle, 20 Mar.1869: At Drumcroon, parish of Macosquin, on the 14th inst, Charles James Wilson, Esq., second son of the late John Wilson, Esq., Drumcroon.
~ Coleraine Chronicle, 15 Nov.1852: At his residence, Drumcroon, on the 4th instant, near Coleraine, John Wilson, Esq., in the 68th year of his age.
~ Coleraine Chronicle, 9 Oct.1869: At Drumcroon, parish of Macosquin, on the 8th inst., Matilda Mary Anne, relict of the late John Wilson, Esq.
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Macosquin Church of Ireland-
Beneath the adjoining flat stone are buried John Wilson senr. Drumcroon died 12th July 1832 aged 84. His wife Sarah died 8th January 1809 aged 53. Erected by request of their son John. Also dear friends Elizabeth Corne[?] died 3rd February 1848 aged 73. Maria Black died 13th January 1855 aged 82. Annabella Brett died 18th April 1840 ahed 39 who lies adjacent.
Beneath the adjoining flat stone are buried John Wilson junr. Drumcroon died 4th Novemeber 1852 aged 68. His wife Matilda died 8th October 1869 aged 74. And their children Charles died 9th June 1829 infant. Charles died 15 Mrch 1869 aged 36 Matilda died 15TH January 1874 aged 48. Maria died 23rd September 1878 aged 41 Thomas died 11th April 1884 aged 50. Annabella Eliza died 26th April 1893 aged 62.
Let me know if you want more details on the family.
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Hello listers
I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it, but here goes.
Has anyone ever heard of a Ballymeath in Aghadowey or indeed anywhere in County Londonderry?
I found Meath Park and Ballymenagh but no Ballymeath
The time period I'm dealing with is 1690-1710 Williamite War period.
any advice would be appreciated
best wishes
Robert
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Hello listers
I think I know the answer to this question before I ask it, but here goes.
Has anyone ever heard of a Ballymeath in Aghadowey or indeed anywhere in County Londonderry?
I found Meath Park and Ballymenagh but no Ballymeath
The time period I'm dealing with is 1690-1710 Williamite War period.
any advice would be appreciated
best wishes
Robert
It this, or something similar, the basis of Ballymeath? A quick reading of the document shows some possible errors/assumptions.
http://gsocolic.tripod.com/The_Mystery_Parish_of_Londerry_Ballaymeath_.pdf
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Hi Aghadowey
No
Ballymenagh seemed as close as I could get to anywhere sounding like Ballymeath.
Then I discovered the house Meath Park {which seems to be 19th century} but I'm wondering where the name came from?
The source of Ballymeath being the birthplace in 1688 of a Gawn Riddel an emigrant to Londonderry, Newhampshire pre 1754, is information drawn from American sources.
As an aside : Gawn Riddel's mother was Janet Gordon.
I'm attempting to see if such a place as Ballymeath does or did really exist or if it was mis-transcribed or mis-interupted at the time.
Many people have tried without success to identify this place "Ballymeath Londonderry"
regards
Robert
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It seems as though you didn't read the document I posted the link to?
Ballymenagh is a townland but Meath Park is a property in the townland of Ballybrittain.
In the 1831 census there is a John Riddle in Ballybritton townland (and in Ballybrittan in 1833 Tithe Applotment Book). Stipend List for Aghadowey Presbyterian Church has a John Riddle in 1832 (left May 1853). This is probably the same John Riddle whose wife Martha died 4 July 1842 aged 50 years (gravestone St. Guaire's Parish Church). Nearby there were Riddles in Lisnamuck townland.
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Your correct Aghadowey I didn't see any document. I came into this conversation half way through
however your reply has been very helpful
I'll start on this search soon and check out all things Aghadowey including the census etc.
My man is born 1688 an almost impossible date for local Church records etc
but ending up in Londonderry New Hampshire as they did, I feel they may have been, or been relatives of, a Rev McGregor congregation family. I will need to look into that.
Thanks again
Robert
ps {I take it there is no such place as Ballymeath in Aghadowey!}
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Not all the families that left with McGregor were part of his Aghadowey congregation but the only surviving record from that period is the Session Book (original now in Presbyterian Historical Society).
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Here's the headstone inscription...no 118 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/photos/tombstones/1headstones/st-guaire-coi-1.txt
and a list of all the townlands and towns found in the 1871 census...no Ballymeath I'm afraid!
http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/16380/page/434019
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Here's the headstone inscription...no 118 http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/derry/photos/tombstones/1headstones/st-guaire-coi-1.txt
Pretty sure it's 4th not 1st July
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Thanks very much Aghadowey for your efforts, I appreciate it
I know Valerie Adams in the PHS. I wonder is there a detailed list of those who left.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe I'll ring her.
She only worked part time so catching her can be the thing
The migration to America continued to grow in numbers for the early part of the 18th century. These Riddels may not have been in the initial wave, but could have joined extended family already established in Londonderry.
I note that a 2nd ship left with Aghadowey emigrants 7 years after McGregor
so I'm sure there were others.
I'll spend a day or two poking through stuff at PRONI, see if anything pops out!
best regards
Robert
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I wonder is there a detailed list of those who left.
No known list of those who left with McGregor. More details will be found in New Hampshire records than on this side of the Atlantic. Several of the early Londonderry histories were republished a number of years ago. Not sure if they are still available but Leach Library did sell them at one time.
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That saves me having to bother Valerie!
There is a book now out of print.{green it was!}
I'm sure I had a copy of it.
I must have a search. I have books everywhere !!
thanks again
Robert
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Thanks Aghadowey,
I am looking into this as the Rev. James Horner was married to Maria Murrell/Morell and she is distantly related to me being the sister of my 4xGgrandfather.
Using the Bann Valley site I have found the burial of John Horner Wilson and his brother William Sydney Albert Wilson in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church. I also have what I think is a family marriage of Christina Isabella Wilson to Alexander Cochrane in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church on
10 Sept 1858. I would be grateful if you can supply any other names of children of the Rev. James and Maria.
I am trying to trace the family of the Rev James Horner -- do you know who Maria Murrel's father was? That is Rev James Horner's father in law?
There is also the belief that the Rev James Horner's mother was a Murrell but I cannot prove that (yet).
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I am trying to trace the family of the Rev James Horner -- do you know who Maria Murrel's father was? That is Rev James Horner's father in law?
There is also the belief that the Rev James Horner's mother was a Murrell but I cannot prove that (yet).
See reply #8.
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I am trying to trace the family of the Rev James Horner -- do you know who Maria Murrel's father was? That is Rev James Horner's father in law?
There is also the belief that the Rev James Horner's mother was a Murrell but I cannot prove that (yet).
See reply #8.
Woops missed that - thanks