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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 14 December 12 13:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
I have recently implemented a database for Special Interest Groups (DBSIG).
The "first customers" are the German Pork Butchers, i.e those germans who emigrated to Britain and continued their trade as pork butchers there.
My question to you all, is:
would it be useful to have a similar database on RootsChat for Travellers,
or are there already enough other web-sites available with such databases ?
You can see more about the database here:
Topic: DBSIG: Database for Special Interest Groups
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,625141.0.html
In particular, read the DBSIG Help-Page to get some ideas of what the database (could) contains.
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/gpb-help.php?show=gi#gi
If there is enough interest, we can then discuss what information would be needed for a traveller's database, and how the table views and page views could look.
regards,
Bob
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Having looked at your links to your database, it looks a very good idea. There is not, as far as I know, a database online for ancestry of Travelling peoples. I for one would say yes.
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Yes please Bob, so long as the definition of travellers is basically left to the users of the thread.
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Not a lot of feedback on this - I don't know what would be needed, or how it should be presented.
I'll leave the "offer" here for a while longer.
Bob
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Hi Bob
I hope it's not too late to put my oar in - I'd certainly welcome a traveller data base. I reckon the traffic that the Hedges brothers generated shows that traveller/Gypsy famiies would welcome easily accessible information.
Maggott
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Great idea I think this would be really helpful.
Thanks
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Good idea is there a index page yet
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:)
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Apart from the usual BMD data (names, dates, locations), what other data would be useful in such a database - i.e. to help sorting and searching.
e.g.
- types of "Travelling People" (Romanies, Gypsies, Tinkers, Travellers, circus, theatre, musician, ... ) ?
- major occupations or working ares ?
Please give me your feedback on this, as it would be good to have more than just a list of names and dates.
Bob
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Sorry Bob the posted must have edited as they asked for links to sites?
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I'd be very interested. Would this include Scottish travellers. I have several families of these which eventually lead back to Ireland...thence dead end.
Sylvia
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The types and locations would definitely help Bob; also if possible the periods in a particular location.
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The types and locations would definitely help Bob; also if possible the periods in a particular location.
There are 4 address fields ("locations") in the database. For the German Pork Butchers I used the first field as "Place of origin" but this could be used here for "Place of Birth", or simply as another location field. You can enter comments in the place fields about how long they stayed here ("periods in a particular location.").
(http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/img/help-tv01.jpg)
Bob
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- types of "Travelling People" (Romanies, Gypsies, Tinkers, Travellers, circus, theatre, musician, ... ) ?
No feedback on this other than:
The types and locations would definitely help
What types would be most useful, as above ? or others ?
e.g. Travellers, Romani, Showmen, Musicians
Where "Showmen" = Circuses and Fairs
Feedback welcome, it's almost ready to roll ...
Bob
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We've gone live !!!!!
Afer opening the DBSIG with the group: German Pork Butchers,
I have now added a new group: Travelling People
- types of "Travelling People" (Romanies, Gypsies, Tinkers, Travellers, circus, theatre, musician, ... ) ?
Still no feedback on this so I've started it off with the following types (or DBSIG sub-groups):
Traveller
Romani
Sinti
Gypsy
Tinker
Hawker
Showground People [ for circuses and fairs]
The sub-groups are optional, so we'll see how it goes, and maybe add more "on demand".
I've added a few records for a fictional family called XTraveller, so you can see some of the possibilities. (Quick Search => X)
Enjoy,
Bob
DBSIG access:
>> Reference Library (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
>> DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups
>> Select "Travelling People"
or
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Travelling+People
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Will give it a try Bob
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Have I missed a link to this Bob...or where do I find it :-[
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DBSIG access:
>> Reference Library (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
>> DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups
>> Select "Travelling People"
or
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Travelling+People
Help Page:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=2&show=gi#gi
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Special Offer:
When I was developing the Pork Butchers database, 2 RootsChatters sent me the results of their researches, one as an excel spreadsheet, and the other as a table in a WORD document.
I then converted these to SQL (a database language) and entered them directly into the database.
If you have any lists of "Travelling People", whether ancestors or as research findings, I am happy to do the same for you.
Please let me know and I'll send you a PM how to send me the files.
Bob
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Awesome!
I've been told I have Gypsy ancestors in Italy! Would be amazing to track them down.
A.
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Bob sounds cool what your saying. My traveller people hail from Ireland (Tinkers).
Would you include areas as well as professions?
I find there is very little focus on the Irish travellers :(
A big thank you to people like you and the rest of the folk at Rootchat who help us struggling
family history people.
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Would you include areas as well as professions?
There are several address fields in the database, so if your travellers moved around a lot, you can use these to define the areas.
Bob
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Bob,
I'm transcribing for FreeREG and keep finding baptism and burials for people who are travellers. Would it be helpful to you if I compiled them for your database? The info's fairly basic - it just says the date the name of the person (for burials) and their parents (for baptisms) and a note added by the rector or whoever saying "travelling people" or "travellers". As they moved about, it has occured to me that these events would be very hard to find unless you knew which county to look in.
Helen.
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Hello Helen,
What a lovely idea - Yes please :)
A simple text file would be OK,
name, forename, county, place, date, event
and I could transfer them to the database.
Thanks,
Bob
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Hi
I have a database collected over 30 years of research on Romany /Travelling families
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Hi Biz,
Is your database viewable for others, or are you offering the database for inclusion in the RootsChat database for Travelling People ?
regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob
none of the information I have is viewable to other people,
I am able to offer look up through the information that I hold,to try and help out the roots-chatters.
I am normally to be found over the past 6 or so years in the chat section
I am sorry to say that I have never taken the time to see what else is on offer in rootschat!!!
Biz
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Hi Bob what a tremendous thing you have done, congratulations on your hard work. It is not something I can use myself but a much needed site for countless people, well done and thankyou. kind regards Sue
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Thank you :)
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I think is a good idea, I can't think of any other categories other than a general comments column. Other matters could arise from that?
Avril
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Thank you for your comments.
The database has been up and running since May 2013 but unfortunately, very few people have been entering their data. At the moment there are only 24 records in the database, and 7 of those are just test-data.
You can see the database here:
» Reference Library (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
» DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups
» Select "Travelling People"
or
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Travelling+People
Help Page:
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-help.php?dbsig_num=2&show=gi#gi
regards,
Bob
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I'm a new Roots-chatter- just joined last weekend. I'd love to add quite a few individuals to the traveller database (Townsleys, Kennedys, Campbells all in Scotland/Ireland) but when I click the Add Record option it doesn't open up a data sheet as per the instruction screenshot on how to add a record. I've posted three times so I should be allowed to use PM now. Or is there a different procedure? Forgive a newbie asking lots of questions :)
Thanks
Joycie
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Hi Joycie,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
That sounds strange: are you getting a message, that you need to be logged on, or to be able to use the PM system ?
regards,
Bob
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Hi Berlin-Bob, when I click the Add Record button it then says members contact each other using Personal Messages. This will now be my 4th or 5th post so I should be able to PM. Any ideas about what's happening or what I could do? Advice much appreciated, Joycie
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Hi Joycie,
I don't have a lot of time at the moment, so I've temporarily removed the check for number of PMS until I have time to study it more closely.
Please try again :)
regards,
Bob
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Hi Berlin-Bob
That's it, it works! I'll start adding people as soon as I can, probably over the weekend. Thanks for your help :)
Joycie
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My Johnson ancestors pre 1826 appears to have been a gang of itinerant rope makers who moved from dockyard to dockyard as demand dictated, especially during the Napoleonic Wars. Would these and similar travelling artisans be included in such a database?
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Yes, I think so. Just make it clear in your comments that they travelled around a lot :)
Bob
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Morning Bob, thanks for your swift reply.
What I have is the baptism of my 2 x great grandfather William Johnson at Stepney in 1803 who became a Hemp Dresser like his father Joseph; a Ropemaker and 2 Twine spinners all Johnson close in age to Joseph at Portsmouth Dockyard in 1806 and the Ropemaker alone at Chatham Dockyard in 1808. There is also another Johnson Hemp Dresser, again close in age to Joseph (different family but perhaps linked) who was at Mile End in 1803, Portsmouth in 1806, Chatham in 1808 and Great Yarmouth in 1820.
These snapshots are all I have at present and there may have been greater mobility than appears from surviving Admiralty records. This is not like Gypsies and Circus folk moving frequently from place to place so the question is: Is this degree of mobility suitable for inclusion in the Travelling People database and discussion on the Travelling People Board or should I be using other boards?
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Hi Aceh,
just noticed this and realised that I never got round to answering your question. Sorry :-[
Now that you've given more detail I am not so sure that they would fit in the "Travelling People" category. Perhaps "Occupation Interests" would be a better place for your questions.
regards,
Bob
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Situations vacant !
The DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups was created with the aims of
- creating searchable lists of special interests groups
- finding connections and (hopefully) family links between RootsChatters with similar research interests
The database "Travelling People" presently has 45 entries. In order to make it into a useful research tool, we need more entries.
This presents some employment possibilities for you !
There are three types of job being offered:
- Entering your own "Travelling People" data : No further application is needed - just do it :)
- Transcribers : Even if you aren't researching these people yourselves, you can still transcribe data for the database. For instance, you may have found official documents for your ancestors (Census returns, etc.) and there are other Travellers in these documents. Please add them to the database; someone else might be searching for these people.
No further application is needed - just do it :)
By the way: if you have already collected data in Word tables, Excel tables, CSV files, GEDCOM files or XML files, I can probably convert and transfer these files directly into the database :)
- Data Coordinators ("Door to Door Salespeople"): Not every RootsChatter with "Travelling People" ancestors will read this posting, so we need a few people who are prepared to browse RootsChat topics and seek out "candidates" for the database. They will then contact the original poster and ask whether
- the OP would like to enter their data in the database.
- or if the coordinator should enter the data for them.
Not every Rootschatter will want their data to be entered in the database so it is important to ask first, and respect their wishes.
Please send me a PM if you wish to apply.
Bob
DBSIG Caretaker
DBSIG access:
» Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/) (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
» DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)
» Select "Travelling People"
or direct » http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php?dbsig_name=Travelling+People
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Hi All,
I have just added 90 "Travellers" to the database. I did this by converting a Word document supplied by a RootsChatter and converting the data to database format.
Just a reminder, in case anybody else has data they would like to add to the database but doesn't fancy typing it all in :)
Special Offer:
When I was developing the Pork Butchers database, 2 RootsChatters sent me the results of their researches, one as an excel spreadsheet, and the other as a table in a WORD document.
I then converted these to SQL (a database language) and entered them directly into the database.
If you have any lists of "Travelling People", whether ancestors or as research findings, I am happy to do the same for you.
Please let me know and I'll send you a PM how to send me the files.
Bob
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I have just added 90 "Travellers" to the database. I did this by converting a Word document supplied by a RootsChatter and converting the data to database format.
These records were transcribed from the 1881 census for Cherry Island in Essex. You can find them by going to the "advanced search" and entering either
- *Cherry Island* in "Abode (2)", "Address / Notes:"
or
- *UK Census 1881* in "Notes"
She also sent me a PDF file, which I have now also found on the web:
A Historical Survey of the Customs, Habits, & Present State of the Gypsies
Author: John Hoyland, written in 1816
This is also available from the Gutenburg Projekt:http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29063/29063-h/29063-h.htm
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=29063
and in Google Books:
https://books.google.de/books/about/A_Historical_Survey_of_the_Customs_Habit.html?id=Zb4vAAAAYAAJ&redir_esc=y
Within the 278 pages of (general) information there is also a list of 26 gypsies living in Westminster (in 1816). These are mainly from LOVELL families, with a few other names.
Does anybody feel like transcribing these for the database ? :)
Bob
DBSIG access:
» Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/) (link at bottom of every RootsChat page)
» DBSIG - Database for Special Interest Groups (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/index.php)
» Select your interest (Travelling People)
» Advanced Search : http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-search.php?dbsig_num=3#top_data
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Hi
When I try and add a record it says I need to have PM enabled first. As far as I know I do have PM enabled. Is this something I need to look into with the forum technical support?
Thanks
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Hi Thomo,
We've had this problem before. Possibly you need to delete any RootsChat cookies and then log in again.
Regards,
Bob
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Hi
I am afraid I am still having the same problem, even after clearing my cache, and trying on a different PC.
I would really like to contribute, so not sure who I should speak to get it sorted out?
Thanks
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Hi Thomo,
I've now added your user name manually to the database.
Please try again to enter your research names.
regards,
Bob
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I'm still having the same problem. I'll try again on another laptop and see if it works :-\
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I think it's a good idea. Plus I was searching on google and it directed me to this page so your links are working well. Thank you
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Always a good idea..there are some on FB. Romany DNA, for this you need to have done a DNA test.
Romany Heritage touches on this too
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I have only recently joined - did this get off the ground?
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Hi Looking for information on Williams Family . Rom family from Suffolk /Norfolk area. Mahala & David Williams. Children Elvina aka Alvina who married Frank Buckley aka Smith. Samson (my gt grandfather) Bertha, Every, Ezerbella and Livittor. Any information would be most welcome.
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I’m trying to find my gypsy roots and have struggled to find any info online specifically aimed at travelling folk. I’d welcome this database :)