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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: ballydw on Thursday 07 February 13 19:50 GMT (UK)
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Need help with this if possible.
May Tiney born in 1896 SI NZ died unknown date.
Looking for a possible marriage. Her parents were Michael Tiney b.1861 Ireland & Ellen McLeod.
May Tiney had a daughter born Feb 2nd 1928 in Christchurch Cantebury NZ and died 15th Feb 1984 in Whangamata New Zealand name of Gertrude Bowring(Taylor). Dont know if May Tiney was married when Gertrude was born as this child was put up for adoption. Gertrude taylor was born Marie Josephine Tiney , adopted at 4yrs old to the Taylor family.
Any help with May Tiney very much appreciated thank you :)
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Have you tried the spelling TINAY - I can see a few births for this couple; and a marriage:
1884/2825 Ellen McLeod Michael Tinay
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Death for Ellen?
1905/8189 Tinay Ellen 41Y
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Re-reading your OP, if Gertrude was born TINEY, and her mother's maiden name was TINEY, then wouldn't that indicate that her mother wasn't married at that time?
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Re-reading your OP, if Gertrude was born TINEY, and her mother's maiden name was TINEY, then wouldn't that indicate that her mother wasn't married at that time?
Thanks Twiggy Tree, of course you are correct , there are all different spellings of the surname.
My main interest is what became of May Tiney, did she marry and also when she died if possible. :)
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Hi ballydw
Have found a possible marriage for May.
[It is though after the cut-off date of 1933 which allows details of NZ marriages to be published in threads here.]
I'll follow up and see what else I can find.
~ Lu
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Great Lucy, can you pm me is that allowed. Regards :)
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Hi
Can I ask where you got the birth year of 1896 for May TINEY, please ?
> Is it possible that May was born some years later than 1896 ??
~ Lu
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Hi Ballydw,
I found this school record. Although Mary's date of birth is earlier than your date of 1896 and the transcriber of the original record was unsure of the surname I provide it in the hope it might help.
School Records (APWs)
Name: TINEY Mary
School: Scotsburn
Register Number: 225
Former Reg. No:
Admission Date: 28 Sep 1896
Parent/Guardian: TINEY Michael
Address: Peel Forest
Birthdate: 20 Apr 1890
Last School:
Last Day: 18 Dec 1901
Destination: Home
Comment: TINEY or FINEY
Further enquiries to: South Canterbury Branch - NZSG
Spades
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Hi Spades
This Mary TINEY appears to be "Mary Ann" (daughter of Ellen and Michael) - whose birth (along with 3 other siblings), appears on the NZ Index under the spelling of "TINAY".
I haven't been able to locate the birth registration of May TINEY (TINAY) ... although I'm fairly sure I have found her death under her married name. (Details to follow.)
["Mary" and "May" - in one family ... very confusing. ;D ]
~ Lu
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Perhaps there may be some clarification in the Police Gazettes as to date/place of birth that may clarify if Mary is May?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sum/
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sun/
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Hi,
This school record gives May Tiney's date of birth as 20 September 1899.
Name : May Tiney
School : Scotsburn
Register Number : 250A
Admission Date : 29 Jan 1906
Parent / Guardian: Mr Tiney
Address : Peel Forest
Birthdate : 20 Sep 1899
Last Day : 15 Jun 1908
Destination : Christchurch
Comment : FINEY or TINEY
Further enquiries to South Canterbury Branch - NZSG
Cheers
KHP
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Lucy, Spades, Kiwihalfpint thank you for all your records. I have no definite proof of year of Mays birth. Here is the rest of the family born to Michael Tiney & Ellen Tiney McLeod.
There is a Mary Annie also.
James Owen Tiney March 3rd 1885
Emily Ethel Tiney 1886 in Geraldine NZ
Margaret Ellen Tiney 4th April 1888 Peel Forest Cantebury
Mary Annie Tiney b. 20 april 1890 Peel Forest canterbury
Madge Anne Tiney April 20 1891 Mt Peel SI
Lily Tiney 1893 Peel Forest Canterbury
Kenneth Tiney March 17 1894 Peel Forest
May Tiney c.1896
Kathleen Tiney Dec 25th 1903 Mt Peel SI NZ.
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Hi again ballydw
I believe the following is May TINEY (who died just a year or so after her marriage).
WHITHAM - May - (married) of Rangiora (Canterbury)
Died: 11 June 1935 - aged 30 years [bc 1905*]
Place of Birth (as noted on Cemetery record) - Peel Forest, NZ
Link to Christchurch Cemeteries Database >
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries
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* Age at death [30 = bc 1905] could be incorrect ?
[OR ... if the 1905 death of Ellen TINAY - 41years (given earlier by Twiggy), is the mother of May TINEY, then it may be that she died during or shortly after childbirth, and that the birth registration of May, was overlooked ? ]
~ Lu
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May's husband was quite a few years older than she.
NZ Deaths
1960 - WHITHAM - Isaac Thomas - 78 years (b.c. 1882)
[NZ Birth - 1880 - WHITHAM - Isaac Thomas - s/o Jane and William ]
Electoral :
In 1935 / 1938 - Hurunui Electorate (Canterbury) - WHITHAM - Isaac Thomas - of Hayland, Labourer.
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Ellen Tiney died in 1905 in Mt Peel nz.
The last child born to her was Kathleen Tiney Dec 25th 1903 and on the list I have May is listed before her. Forgot to say thank you to Twiggytree also :)
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Perhaps there may be some clarification in the Police Gazettes as to date/place of birth that may clarify if Mary is May?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sum/
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0sun/
Thanks for this info seems to relate to Annie Mary b. 1890 I think :)
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Ballydw ... just noting (in case it's of any interest to you ;) ), that Archives New Zealand have an already digistised WW1 Army record for Isaac Thomas WHITHAM, which is viewable here >
http://archway.archives.govt.nz
~ Lu
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Hi again ballydw
I believe the following is May TINEY (who died just a year or so after her marriage).
WHITHAM - May - (married) of Rangiora (Canterbury)
Died: 11 June 1935 - aged 30 years [bc 1905*]
Place of Birth (as noted on Cemetery record) - Peel Forest, NZ
Link to Christchurch Cemeteries Database >
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries
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* Age at death [30 = bc 1905] could be incorrect ?
[OR ... if the 1905 death of Ellen TINAY - 41years (given earlier by Twiggy), is the mother of May TINEY, then it may be that she died during or shortly after childbirth, and that the birth registration of May, was overlooked ? ]
~ Lu
Lucy, thanks again, you could be right that maybe May was the last born and may have been born later than 1896. When did she marry & where. :) :) :)
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Ellen Tiney died in 1905 in Mt Peel nz.
The last child born to her was Kathleen Tiney Dec 25th 1903 and on the list I have May is listed before her.
Hi
The NZ Death Index gives the following :
1935 / 17449 - WHITHAM - May - 30 Years
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It's possible of course that age "30" might have been mis-transcribed from say "35" or "36" ... (especially if the registry death entry was handwritten). ;D
[Just noting that the school record for May TINEY (given by KHP earlier), showed a d.o.b. for May of 20 September 1899. ]
~ Lu
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Thanks again Lucy I definitely think you are on the right track and as you say sometimes mistranscribed due to ilegible handwriting.
Just to throw something else into the mix. Mays father Michael Tiney b. 1861 parents James & Julia Hensey in Ireland, possibly Donegal. Would there be any record for his arrival in NZ think his marriage to Ellen McLeod was c. 1884 in NZ. :)
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[OR ... if the 1905 death of Ellen TINAY - 41years (given earlier by Twiggy), is the mother of May TINEY, then it may be that she died during or shortly after childbirth, and that the birth registration of May, was overlooked ? ]
The newspaper article for the sister states that the parents called for the constable (ie Ellen was still alive). This was written 13 November 1905.
The death for Ellen was 28/11/1905.
So could be Lucy2.
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Hi ballydw
Well, I'll stick my neck out and say I'm 99% sure that May WHITHAM is the former May TINEY (TINAY). ;) ;D ;D
Annoyingly our NZ Marriage Index does not give us details of the "place of marriage" and if the marriage is not shown online (at the NZ BDM website), then we're not able to deduce (from the online index), the date of marriage. [Note: NZ Marriages (online) are only available up to "today's date", 1933. ]
Knowing where people resided can perhaps offer a clue as to where a marriage might have taken place.
From the electoral rolls (of the nearest dates, only 1928 and 1935 are viewable online) ...
1928 - Lyttelton (Canterbury) electorate
TINEY - May - 23 Victoria Tce. - spinster
1928 / 1935 / 1938 - Hurunui (Canterbury) electoral rolls
WHITHAM - Isaac Thomas - Hayland - Labourer
~ Lu
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Thanks again Lucy I definitely think you are on the right track and as you say sometimes mistranscribed due to ilegible handwriting.
Just to throw something else into the mix. Mays father Michael Tiney b. 1861 parents James & Julia Hensey in Ireland, possibly Donegal. Would there be any record for his arrival in NZ think his marriage to Ellen McLeod was c. 1884 in NZ. :)
[OR ... if the 1905 death of Ellen TINAY - 41years (given earlier by Twiggy), is the mother of May TINEY, then it may be that she died during or shortly after childbirth, and that the birth registration of May, was overlooked ? ]
The newspaper article for the sister states that the parents called for the constable (ie Ellen was still alive). This was written 13 November 1905.
The death for Ellen was 28/11/1905.
So could be Lucy2.
The incident was probably the cause of the poor mothers death.
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Thanks Lucy this gives me where she resided prior to her marriage so again well done. You are all wonderfully helpful and come up with some positive results. Keep up the good work much appreciated :) :) :) :)
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The WWI medals of May's husband, Isaac Thomas Whitham, are currently for sale.
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1478149735&tm=email&et=41&mt=3B9681F4-EFDD-45D4-BC17-7F5CA3ADC250
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May Tiney married Isaac Thomas Whitham on July 11 1934 at Registrars office in Christchurch.
She was aged 29 and he was 54 and a labourer.
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She had 3 children. All born before her marriage to Whitham in 1934. She died in 1935 on 11 june