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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: mixedupmob on Friday 08 February 13 03:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi to all
Looking for any information what-so-ever on Dalrymple Dawson, especially, when and where he was born and the names of his parents. He was the master of the convict ship 'Aurora' which left Portsmith in July 1833 and arrived in Australia in November 1833. One of the convicts on his ship formed a relationship with Isabell Bissett Dawson and I am wondering if there is a family connection between the two Dawson's. Isabell's parents were David Dawson and Mary Grainey and they came from the Fife area of Scotland.
Thanks for any help anyone can give me.
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The master of the Aurora was a Dalrymple Dowson but in the papers and in transcriptions it sometimes appears as Dawson or Towson.
There is a family grave in Reigate, Surrey http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?available=yes&grave=71355&personid=147885. William Dalrymple Dowson was a shipowner and ship broker. The master of the Aurora in 1833 (and the Backwell in 1835) was probably one of his sons
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Here's the baptism https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJRQ-QQ2
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ShaunJ
Thank you for your help.
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Not sure if this helps you, isabella eliza bissett dawson 1802-1863 daughter of captain david bisset dawson jnr did marry a convict "Daniel Marley", but was also married to someone else, she left n.s.w. australia to move to melbourne with two of her children with Daniel Marley. Captain David Bisset Dawson Jnr was married to Mary Gainey. Captain David Bisset Jnr parents were David Dawson Snr and Isabella Bissett. David Dawson Snr parents were David Dawson 1 and mother unknown from my information. Isabella Bissett married to David Dawson Snr parents were John Bissett and Isobel Nichole, which I have further heritage on her side. Hope this helps?
Daniel Marley came on the ship the Aurora in 1833 and arrived 1834, the masters name of this ship from the document I have states Dawson.
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Hi kasb
Thank you for that information. Do you have proof that Isabella married Daniel Marley - from my research I have not been able to find a registered marriage for them even though Isabella's death is registered under the name of Marley and they had a least two children. Also, do you have an exact date and place of birth for Isabella?
I would be very interested in any information you have on the Bissett family as my husband is a descendant of Isabella's daughter Mary Elizabeth Leitch. Isabella's first husband was James Leitch, son of John Leitch and Elizabeth Ann Aldise, but I have not found a date of marriage for them.
I look forward to hearing from you again.
mixedup
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Hi mixedup,
Great to hear from you. Below is a list of a lineage from Isabella Eliza Bisset Dawson the daughter of Captain David Bisset Dawson Jnr.(1777-1859) from here our ancestory goes back together. Enjoy!!!
Isabella Eliza Bisset Dawson (1802-1863) daughter Captain David Bisset Dawson Jnr
Captain David Bisset Dawson Jnr (1777-1859) son of Isabella Bissett
Isabella Bissett (1762-1777) daughter of Isobel Nichole
Isobel Nichole (1721- ?) daughter of Margaret Nuckle
Margaret Nuckle (1686- ?) daughter of Janet Black
Janet Black (1656-1683) daughter of Janet Margaret Watson
Janet Margaret Watson (1618-1624) daughter of Marjory Smetone
Marjory Smetone (1586- ?) daughter of isabell Cunningham
Isabell Cunningham (1554-1586) daughter of William, 6th Earl of Glencairn Cunningham
William, 6th Earl of Glencairn Cunningham (1532-1580) son of Alexander 5th Earl of Glencairn Cunningham
Alexander 5th Earl of Glencairn Cunningham (1510-1574) son of William 4th Earl of Glencairn Cunningham
William 4th Earl of Glencairn Cunningham (1493-1548) son of Cuthbert, 3rd Earl of Glencairn Cunningham
Cutherbert, 3rd Earl of Glencairn Cunningham (1476-1541) son of Lady Christian Lindsay
Lady Christian Lindsay (1430-1495) daughter of Agnes Stewart, Lady Lindsay of Byres
Agnes Stewart, Lady Lindsay of Byres (1408-1496) daughter of Joan Lady Lorn Stewart
Joan Lady Lorn Stewart (1379-1439) daughter of Prince Robert Duke of Albany Stewart
Prince Robert Duke of Albany Stewart (1340-1420) son of Robert II Stewart, King of Scotland
Robert II Stewart, King of Scotland (1316-1390) son of Lady Marjorie, Princess of Scotland de Bruce
Lady Marjorie, Princess of Scotland de Bruce (1296-1316) daughter of Robert I King of Scotland the Bruce
Robert I King of Scotland (The) Bruce (1274-1329)
(His daughter Lady Marjorie - above - was from his marriage to his first wife isobel de mar from the mar tribe of scotland).
This takes you back of one line of lineage, as for Mary Gainey who was Isabella Bisset Dawson mother I have no more info on her side.
As I said before her fathers side goes back to David Dawson Snr (1727-1804) married isabella Bissett (1762-1777). David Dawson Snr parents were David Dawson Ist wife unknown to me.
Isabella Bissett (1762-1777) parents were John Bissett and Isobel Nichole (see above) and then I only have to lineage from Isobel Nichole onwards.
I hope this helps you somewhat, it makes for interesting reading.
I do have a question, perhaps there was some gossip or stories handed down which may help me in finding out about Daniel Marley. He was listed as having a "brown complexion" on one of the documents, and there was some mention somewhere along the way that we may have some Spanish heritage. I was wondering if you had heard any stories outside of what we can find as facts. It is just a thought!
Regards,
kasb
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Hi mixedup,
Also, I don't have proof of Isobell Eliza Dawsons marriage to Daniel Marley, although I did come across a register of them both Baptising their twins Hannah & Daniel Marley. I'm not sure if they would have needed to be married in those days to do that in a church, but if so, that would mean they were married. Could be something to look into.
Cheers,
kasb
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hi kasb
Thank you for all that interesting information - it will keep me going for a while as I look into it all. One thing - have you verified it all with certificates etc. or how did you get the information?
I don't think Isobella Bissett Dawson was married to Daniel Marley as her first husband was still alive at the time the twins were born, he did not die until 1860 although he could have been away at sea as he was a master mariner - could be the reason Isobella ran off with Daniel.
I know nothing of Daniel other than it is thought he was a convict. If this is correct he must appear in some court records in England where he would have been convicted and sentenced to transportation. Just another thing to add to the to do list.
mixedup
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Hi all - interesting reading, interesting characters - I'm part of the mix as well . . .
Mixedup - you may like to read the following transcript of Daniel Marley's trial at The Old Bailey:
Old Bailey Proceedings, 11th April 1833.
Reference Number: t18330411-154
824 DANIEL MORLEY was indicted for stealing, on the 18th of December , 1 trunk, value 10s.; 1 dress, value 30s.; 2 watches, value 12l.; 1 gold chain, value 8l.; 1 locket, value 2l.; 1 night-dress and cap, value 12s.; 2 pairs of stockings, value 8s.; 1 habit-shirt, value 15s.; 4 combs, value 30s.; 1 brush, value 2s.; 1 bag, value 10s.; 1 music-book, value 3l.; 7 pieces of music, value 12s.; 1 apron, value 1s., and 1 pair of shoes, value 3s. , the goods of Sarah Knight Bousfield .
CHARLES HENRY PARROTT . On the 18th of December I was at Muswell-hill, and saw the prisoner at the Green Man; he drove a cab - I had a trunk with me; I asked him to take me to town - he said he could not take me, but he would take the trunk for 1s. 6d.; I said I wanted it to get to town by five o'clock - he was waiting for a person; I told him to deliver the trunk at No. 12, Chatham-place, Blackfriars, for Miss Bousfield - the prisoner got into his cab, and took the reins, but I did not see him set off.
CATHERINE HAWKINS. I am the wife of James Hawkins; we keep the Green Man, at Muswell-hill. I saw the prisoner there with a cab, and I heard Parrott stipulate with him to take the trunk to town with in the time for 1s. 6d.
MISS SARAH KNIGHT BOUSFIELD. I live at Muswell-hill, with my brother. On the 18th of December I packed the trunk to go to town; there were two gold watches, some dresses, and all the articles stated in the indictment in it; they were worth about 32l. - I had left it at Muswellhill, and sent Parrott for it; I have never seen it since.
EDMUND DAVIS (Police-constable E 86). I live in Charlotte-street, Bloomsbury. I took the prisoner on the 24th of February. at the Bricklayers' Arms, in Rathbone-place; I said, "Halloo, Dan! I have been looking for you some time?" he said, "I may as well be transported as starved here; I have kept out of the way as long as I can" - I had received notice of the robbery the day it happened; I do not know where the cab No. 112 stood, which was the one the prisoner drove.
CHARLES HENRY PARROTT . I am sure the prisoner is the man.
MRS. HAWKINS. I am sure he is the man.
Prisoner's Defence. On the day mentioned I went out of the yard with a cab - I do not know the number; I went home to dinner, leaving the cab on the rank - I never saw the man I left it with till half-past twelve o'clock at night, when he came home drunk, with no money; I did not go home, for fear of two months' imprisonment for leaving my work - I told the Policeman I was taken for another man's crime; I was out of the way for fear of being taken for leaving my cab.
DAVID LEAK . I live in Worship-street. I employed the prisoner to drive the cab No. 112 - I sent him out on the 18th of December, and he never returned; a strange man brought the cab home, and said the prisoner had met with an accident, and was thrown out at Covent-garden-market; I went there, and found that no such thing had happened.
GUILTY . Aged 24. - Transported for Seven Years .
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Thank you for that information Lokelani, I m away at the moment but will look at it more closely when I get home. Who are you connected to - Isabella or Daniel or both? My husband is connected to Isabella.
Mixedup
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Hi Mixedup
Isabella and Daniel were my great, great, great grandparents.
Lokelani
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Daniel Marley & Isabella Dawson were my wife's great-great-great grandparents. Daniel had a wife & 3 children in England before he was transported - see attachment. Isabella's husband died in 1860 so neither was in a position to marry.
They had 2 children, twins, Daniel & Hannah, born on 11 March 1843. Daniel died young.
Hannah married Edward George Fletcher.
Phil Carter
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Phil, thank you for that information. Isabella is my husband's great-great-great grandmother from her marriage to James Leitch. Which of Hannah Marley/Fletcher's children is your wife descended from?
R.
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Hannah Marley married Edward George Fletcher and, according to my records, they had 11 children. Number 8 was Edward George (Ted) Fletcher (1878-1954). He married Catherine Elizabeth Knight (1880-1964) and they had 6 children. The first was Edward John (Jack) Fletcher (1901-1974) and he married Inez Margaret Anne Grimshaw (1907-2003). They had 3 girls, the middle being Valda Fletcher who is my wife's mother and now aged 90.
Cheers,
Phil.
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Thanks for that Phil - I have found the same information on the family.