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Hi there I am after some information on the Blunt family . I know that Henry Blunt was born in 1848 and married Agnes Cartwright. I do not know the full name of Henrys mother Martha nor do I know his parents dob dod I know his father was Henry. Henry and Agnes had many children Mary, John,George,charity,davenport,Margret and richard.
Any info would be super xxx
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Here is Henry's baptism record
09 Apr 1848, Meole Brace, Shropshire. Parents: Henry and Martha
and his siblings:
Emily born 05 Feb 1843, bap. 19 Mar 1843 St.Julian Shrewsbury
Agnes " 18 Mar 1845, " 08 May 1845 " " "
Ellen Martha bap. 17 Jul 1846 Shropshire
Ann bap. 24 Aug 1851 Shropshire
claire
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Hi
From the census father Henry is from St George Middlesex , Southwark about 1807, this could be his baptism
Henry Blunt born: 14 Nov 1806
bap. 21 Dec 1806 Walworth Locks Field Chapel, York Street-independant, Southwark.
Parents: Robert and Ann Blunt.
claire
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Found this marriage
Robert Blunt bn about 1777 of ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK married Ann PORTER, Cheshum Berks. 17 Jun 1802.
claire
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Can't find a marriage yet but have found some interesting things, so bear with me
Another Child of Robert Blunt and Ann Porter is
Thomas bn 14 Oct 1803, bap. 16 Nov 1803, St. George the Martyrs, Southwark, Surrey.
Here is his probate record: 19 Nov. 1874~ The will of Thomas Blunt late of Shrewsbury, chemist and druggist died 15 Oct. 1874 was proved at Shrewsbury by Thomas PORTER Blunt chemist and druggist the son. Effects: £6 000.
Then I found this probate entry
Anna Phipps Blunt: 1 June 1888~The will with a codicil of Anna Phipps Blunt formerly of Cheltenham but late of Church Stretton Salop died 10 April 1888 was proved by MARTHA BLUNT of MEOLE BRACE near Shrewsbury, widow the SISTER the surviving executrix. Effects: £2 525 11s 7d.
Here is her and Martha's baptism
Anna Phipps Blunt~ bn. 31 Mar 1806, Bap. 11 May 1806, Colliers Rents Whitestreet-independent Southwark
Martha Blunt bn. 04 Feb 1812, bap. 04 Mar 1812. Colliers Rents Whitestreet-independent Southwark
Parents: Thomas Blunt and Mary (Marlham), who married: 16 April 1803 St. George,Southwark.
Martha Blunt was 89 when she died in 1900 giving her a birth year of 1811/112.
I wonder if Henry and Martha were cousins?
Here's a probate record that your Henry was an executor of
Anne Blunt of High Street Newport, spinster, died 4 Dec. 1896, Probate Shrewsbury 27 Jan 1897 to Thomas Porter Blunt, analytical chemist and Henry Blunt, tutor. Effects: £3238 0s 8d.
claire
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harris122 - another RCer - J.J. is a descendent of the Blunts.
See this for an unsung scientific hero - Thomas Porter Blunt - http://members.shaw.ca/TPBLUNT/index.htm
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Hi
Found Robert in 1841 census with wife Ann giving birth year about 1766
Found these baptisms
Robert Blunt bap. 23 Mar 1766 St George the Martyr, Surrey. Parents: Robert and Mary.
Thomas " " 22 Sep 1772 " " " " " " " "
Their father Robert was Clerk to the Bank of England and died 1773, buried 7 Nov 1773 St George the Martyr.
claire
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Yes, we have been in touch...so she has some information already. I have a little on Robert's brother Thomas as he was also a chemist, including his family, which I just found recently, although have not proven...and jumped when I saw Martha might be a sister to Anna Phipps Blunt!
I have not sent for all the wills, but am doing so soon. I do have some of the info from them, from a distant cousin who was willing to share .
Thanks so much for more information as I didn't have Thomas's christening date, nor the parents as Robert & Mary!!!
I haven't done a lot of searching lately, but my hubby may be helping me do more soon!
Many many thanks to all,
J.J.
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Elizabeth Mary Blunt born May 3 1804, christened May 29 1804 Colliers Rents Independent Congregation, Southwark, London, parents Thomas Blunt, Mary
1834 - May 28 the Rev. E.W.Claypole to Elizabeth Mary, eldest daughter of the late Thomas Blunt, esq; of Chelsea. Also either Thomas married two Marys in a short period of time, or Mary Marlham must have been previously married with her maiden name Phipps. I have found no proof as yet as to which is correct.
I also had one more possible christening
Rebekah Blunt christened Apr. 5 1809 Colliers Rents Independent Congregation, Southwark, London, parents Thomas Blunt, Mary
Married: 31 May 1836 St. Mary's Cheltenham, By the Rev. John Browne, M.A. Henry, youngest son of Mr. Blunt of Tower place to Martha, youngest daughter of the late Thomas Blunt of Chelsea...
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and you can chase this down for the proper information...May have missed a generation as some terms are ambiguous
Alured DeWaller 1094 - 1183....Henry Waller, John Waller, Richard Waller, J Waller, William waller, Sir Willaim Waller , daughter Anne Waller married 1st John Allen. ( later a Wathen)
Daughter Mary Allen married Josiah Phipps, Walthamstow, Essex, whose daughter married Thomas Blunt of Chelsea
That was from the obituary of a Wathen Waller
However the details differ a little here... http://books.google.ca/books?id=Nw4wAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA853#v=onepage&q=de%20waller&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Wathen-Waller
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Henry Blunt died at his home in Shrewsbury Sept 26 or 28-1853
Realized I didn't link to Henry Blunt's thread...http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=91489.10 where Shropshire Lass was a giant help as always...
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CHILDREN of Henry and Martha,
Martha 1837 - 1838, / Henry Dec 4, 1839 - 1840 / Emily Feb.5 1843 - 1915
Agnes Mar.18,1845 - 1941/ Ellen Martha 1847-1931 / Henry Feb. 22 1848 - / Annie 1852 - 1887 The sisters were never married.
Some descendants of Henry jr. are listed on the poster's web page here
http://www.family.tree.freeuk.com/indiI284.html
Could be the death of Henry jr. http://www.freebmd.org.uk
March quarter / Bedford District 1940 / Blunt, Henry age 91 / vol.3b p.1037
I imagine this could be the death of Charity
Sept quarter 1949 Blunt Charity age 62 in Bedford District vol.4a p.56
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Hi,
Sorry to reply to a message already a couple of years old. I am interested in the comments about Mary Marhlam being listed as the mother of Anna Phipps and Martha Blunt. I can't see that on the baptism records that I am looking at.
I do believe that it's true, however, and I think I can answer the question raised further on about whether Mary Phipps and Mary Marlham were the same person.
Thomas and Mary's marriage record (23 April 1803, St George the Martyr, Southwark) shows "Thomas Blunt of this parish a batchelor [sic] and Mary Marlham of the parish of St Mary Newington in the County of Surrey a widow'. One of the witnesses was J Wathen Phipps, presumably Mary's brother who later became Sir Jonathan Wathan Waller.
I can't find anything about Mr Marlham or Mary's marriage to him or for that matter the details of Mary's death.
I have quite a bit more information on this family, but also many outstanding questions, so I would be interested in contacting others looking into it.
Best wishes
Alan Watson
Here is her and Martha's baptism
Anna Phipps Blunt~ bn. 31 Mar 1806, Bap. 11 May 1806, Colliers Rents Whitestreet-independent Southwark
Martha Blunt bn. 04 Feb 1812, bap. 04 Mar 1812. Colliers Rents Whitestreet-independent Southwark
Parents: Thomas Blunt and Mary (Marlham), who married: 16 April 1803 St. George,Southwark.
claire
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Yes, I'd pointed out in the reply with the obituary link above that she was named Phipps, sister to Phipps/Waller, etc. and Claire had found the marriage although she didn't add the details...thanks for adding that she was indeed a widow.
I did find this :D ...Using the less-is-more search method. ...Oddly these are all marked that there is a ( BLANK) for spouse's names...Batch# I03553-8 ( I did look for Marlham in case the pages had merely shifted))
This is not correct Mary, as Claire has pointed out in reply #15
Mary Phipps mentioned in the record of UNKNOWN and Mary Phipps
married February 27, 1799 Hackney, Middlesex, England
So husband Marlham's death "might" be found between 1799 and 1803
If anyone finds more on this please post. There are a few descendants who are interested, but I think the cousins thing has turned them off. They need to know this is not unusual, it happened back in those days...
I had trouble finding info for my ancestor as well....and other Blunts, also chemists, were making me crazy. A kind distant rellie pointed me in the right direction.... Thomas mentioned was brother to my Robert, who was father to Henry Blunt who married Martha Blunt ( mother Phipps).... the others were from a first marriage of Robert...
I haven't easy access to any information other than online so have been happy to have received help here on Rootschat as well... although I haven't been doing much more lately...
Which family were you looking for? If you need any Blunt info I have not a lot on this Thomas ... If it is unrelated to this thread...please start a new one :D
all the best, J.J.
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Wow, I did a FHSsearch of just marriages for Hackney 1799 and the results 512...half that number would be 256 unknown spouses... ?? Bit of a nightmare for those hunting
re: marriage as Marlham, Claire had April 16, perhaps banns, you gave us April 23,( Of course I know you have the actual info as you had details) and FHS says Apr. 25 ::) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9B-SM6
The FHS shows few early Marlham....A Thomas shows up in St Clement Danes Parish : Minutes of Parish Vestries 1763...then christenings of a George & a Thomas Marlham in the 1760s St .Clement Danes, Middlesex ( a George later a father in a christening, 1788 Lambeth Surrey)
also an Arthur Marlham or Marlam Gentleman of Bushey , Hertfordshire Will proven 28 February 1776 ( FHS has an Arthur married 1746 Westminster London)
A rare name...Probably badly spelled then or now.... 8 are listed with the Marlham spelling on the FreeBMD... very few as Marlam, Marlem. etc.
Tax Assessment Westminster, Middlesex
Thos Marlam 1754 1764 Vere Street
Anthony Marlam ( Marlham ) 1752 1755 Mount Street
Arthur Marlham 1755 1758 Mount Street .... in 1769 Green Street
and just for fun I must add this name
Catherine Merlwham 1841 Address: Wych Alley
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Hi
I think you can rule out the marriage in 1799
SAMUEL BLACKTOP bach. married Mary Phipps spins. 27 Feb 1799 ST John Hackney
Both signed
Witnesses: Peter Mason and Wm. ?lock.
Thomas Blunt and Mary married 25 April 1803 by licence.
I've looked back at this marriage and Anc* transcribe her surname as MARTHAM and MADLHAM, but having looked at her signature I'm wondering if it could be MARCHAM, it does look like that
claire
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Hello, Claire...Thanks a million...Item corrected ( crossed out) ....Weird that they have been transcribed in such a manner, then? I know some items can be incorrect on the FHS site, but a whole batch of marriages seems odd....
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Hi
Edited my post: Mary's surname at her second marriage looks to me like MARCHAM
claire
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Hi,
My interest is definitely in the same family. My grandfather was Davenport Fabian Cartwright Blunt, son of Henry Blunt and Agnes Cartwright of Northampton. DFC married Edith Isobel Harris (related to Harris122 who started this topic?).
These Blunts, Cartwrights, Harrises and other families that the Harrises married into (Tarbets, Safferys, Todds, Websters & Provands were all members of the Catholic Apostolic Church (Irvingite); earlier generations were plainly also non-conformists. (The Wallers and Wathens were very close to Wesley). I am particularly interested in religious connections like this which could help explain connections and moves.
For example, I suspect that the family move to Shrewsbury may have been for religious reasons (there was a big non-conformist church there), but I don't have anything definite on this. There was definitely a Catholic Apostolic Church in Bedford where Henry Blunt and Agnes Cartwright settled.
I think I have all the census and most of the BDM information mentioned here. I have Blunts going back to a Richard Blunt (1620-1690), although with a couple of links that I am unsure of. I don't have a wife for this Richard or his grandson, also Richard (1669-1768). I can see people including Claire here saying that Robert (died 1773 buried St George the Martyr) was a clerk at the Bank of England, but I can't find anything to substantiate that this was the same person. I would be interested in information like this. I have him born in Petersfield, but probably just by copying someone else; I don't really have evidence for it. Robert's wife Mary Burbridge was also a widow at their wedding in Jan 1764. I haven't managed to find anything about her maiden name, family or first husband. (Two witnesses were called John and Ann Reynolds, or Reynotes but this hasn't helped me yet. Nor has the statement that the marriage licence was provided by the bishop of Winton, an old name for Winchester?)
I also lose track of other families on the female side fairly soon - the Allens, the Wallers and the Cartwrights, most particularly Agnes Cartrwright's mother, probably Mary Ann Clark. I am still investigating a few things about the Wallers and Wathens that look a little odd.
Any pointers on any of this would be very welcome. In return, I have lots of information on Blunt and related cousins. My most complete records are on a private Ancestry tree, which I will happily allow serious collaborators access to, and quite a bit of the information has already been transcribed to FamilySearch.
As to Mary Phipps:
1. I agree that the name on here marriage certificate probably looks slightly more like Marcham than Marlham. It could even be Markham, but that's less likely.
2. Thanks for the transcription of her children's baptism records. I can see baptism records too, but they are different. From Ancestry's non-conformist parochial records I have "Anna Phipps, daughter of Thomas and Mary Blunt of the parish of St George Southwark, born March 31st. 1806. & baptised May 11th. 1806 by me James Knight." For some of the others in the family, I can find two separate records, one contemporaneous and one added later by the Wathens to the registry set up by the Wesleyans, but not for these children. Could you point me to where to find what you have?
3. I still can't find reasonable candidates for her first husband, their marriage or his death, whichever variation of the name I use. I can see Mary Phipps m Joseph Salmon, Hackney 1795, but the names are too far apart, her signature very different and no witnesses that I recognise. Then there is a George Marlow (more promising, but still difficult to reconcile with the marriage cert) who married a Mary Phipps in Lambeth in Feb 1787 when Mary would have been 16. The handwriting there is closer, but there are still no witnesses that I recognise and no statement that the bride was a minor. I also can't see his death.
4. Does anyone have details of Mary's death? I can't find them either.
Please don't hesitate to contact if you think I can help any of you with anything.
Best wishes
Alan Watson
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St George the Martyr Southwark parents: Robert Blunt, Mary Blunt
William Blunt born 7th inst. Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1764
Robert Blunt born Mar. 19 1766 Baptism Date: 23 Mar 1766
Mary Blunt born July 7th 1768 Baptism Date 7th Aug 1768
Sarah Blunt b. Sept. 20th 1769 Baptism Date: 8 Oct 1769
Thomas Blunt b. Aug. 29th Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1772
Mary lived at Red Cross Street until her death May 16th 1811 after which son Wm still lived there
I hadn't found Mary Burbidge's first marriage either...I have the will of Robert Blunt, "of the Bank of England" and executors are a William Harffy?? I had thought it was Scarffy until I found his mention in a will) a Richard Blunt ( broker or brother?) of Little Britain London ....Children are called just that I think, but
he appears to later say his wife is the daughter of William ( Scarffy/ Harffy) and also mentions Richard once again & a Thomas Blunt of ( Abbotsford ?) Hants & heirs
Were you able to read this will? The man did not have the best handwriting in the world. Happy to send it to you if you don't have it.
...The same year Robert died...he's mentioned in this will....
Mary Harffy, ( Harfly) wife of William Harffy, of St. Peter the Great, Chichester, gent
Bequeaths to her daughter, Mary Harffy, all her personal estate
Bequeaths to her said husband all her property in Iping and Stedham, her house and premises in Liphook, and property as in ( code refers here to marriage agreement) for life, then to her said daughter and her heirs, in default of which to her brother-in-law, Robert Blunt, of Southwark, co. Surrey
I found an Edward BURBIDGE of St George’s Southwark who died Apri 1761 aged 41. I have his will as well, his wife was Mary...His brother lived Redcross street, Mint, Southwark the same time as Mary lived there as widow mary Blunt. all spec as have not yet found a marriage.
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Great work on Mary Burbidge.
Using that name I found the licence for Robert's marriage to her and her first husband's will. Still can't find his burial record - Ancestry's search tool is useless.
Her parents? Mary Harffy D 1771 and husband Dr William (1717-1795) are on find a grave, buried in Chichester.
I eventually found her burial record, but only by ploughing through loads of them as Ancestry once again failed to show it, even with all the search terms entered exactly. I see Red Cross St there, but I haven’t yet found the source showing William there.
The corroboration makes Robert's will much more convincing, although I find it extremely hard to read.
Alan
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Hi Alan,
I have found something, maybe nothing but, the witnesses to the marriage of Robert Blunt and Mary Burbidge ~ John and Ann Reynolds/ Reynotes have led me to look at this marriage
February 19th 1750 by Licence
Edward BURBIDGE of the parish of St George the Martyr , County of Surrey, widower and MARY REYNOLDES, of the same, spinster.
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Given that Richard Blunt ( bn 1660 Petersfield Hampshire) has a son born in Petersfield c1699, I wonder if this could be his marriage in the same place.
Petersfield 9 Apr 1694 Richard Blunt married Martha BEALE
claire
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Ah, so my eyes saw Abbottsford, but it is Petersfield?...Still foggy brained from even looking at that will, well, and the wee hours didn't help, but I need to wrap my brain around things or I cannot focus. my husband couln't help me read it either & he has great eyes ....whereas I have trouble reading a great deal of normal type
Thanks for that as I have not got any of this connection...you have helped me so much Claire in getting me pointed in the right direction...
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Hi J J
One thing is puzzling me, William Harffys Will of 1795 lists lots of bequests to his Grandchildren etc. and his beloved DAUGHTER Mary wife of George Moody Longroft
Did she marry again ? Or am I losing the plot ;D
claire
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Aah !! J J
Have just read the Will of Robert Blunt..... " the remainder thereof to my NEICE Mary HARFFY daughter of the aforesaid William Harffy " (spelling ~ Niece)
Mary Harffy was Roberts niece,
I think the 1750 marriage of Edward Burbidge and Mary Reynoldes maybe the correct one, note witnesses to her marriage to R Blunt were John and Ann Reynoldes/Reynolds
claire
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Well, I can't read most of the words in that will. Was that his own handwriting, as I have seen others that form an H like a capital S joining a small C. I do miss the days when I had your amazing ability to decipher handwriting!
You are fantastic, I could not read the word niece...haha...sory, I thought it might have said spouse...DUH...was wondering why he'd use a nee for her as that is more a wonderful Scottish habit.
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Looking at the find a grave site, I see that Dr. William Harffy ( chirurgeon/surgeon) was the son of APOTHECARY Thomas Harffy and Elizabeth Harffy...Another apothcary! :D http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSob=n&GScid=1982778&GRid=139986541&df=np&
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More good work on the Reynoldes/Burbidge marriage. Although they were both from St George, Surrey, I notice that they were married in St Andrew Holborn. I can see the marriage listing, but not yet the register entry. Has anyone found it?
I already have the Richard Blunt/Martha Beale marriage from the source you mention. I have their children as:
William 1699-1775
Richard 1699-1768
John 1701-1742
Thomas 1706-?
I have this Richard's father as Richard Blunt 1620-1690.
Some of this is from the Petersfield parish records and some, very doubtful, just copied from other people's trees. Particularly interesting was the will of William Blunt (usual Canterbury wills proved 8 April 1775). His wife was Frances and he had children Thomas, Richard, William, Robert and Martha. Martha married someone called Thomas Clement, which you can see from both the will and the parish records.
(All these wills are copies made by the clerks of the religious court which was in charge of probate at the time. I assume that they were writing as quickly as possible to get through their work, which is why many are illegible.)
I have our Robert as the son of Richard (probably 1699-1768 although I don't have a source for the death.) The same Petersfield records show a Richard Blunt marrying a Barbara Beet on 25 June 1727, which would have been about the right date, but I don't really have any evidence that they were the right couple or that our Robert was their son.
I would love to be more sure about this, and also to be able to establish a firm link between our Blunts and the Blunts of Petworth House, Petersfield, Sussex such as Wilfred Scawen Blunt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfrid_Scawen_Blunt
https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=tree&person=MQ1Z-2BL§ion=pedigree
Meanwhile, I am still struggling somewhat to understand Robert's other family relationships. Can I try to summarise so that others can add/correct:
1. We know from his will that he had a brother (I assume that is must be brother even though it looks more like broker) Richard who was a carpenter living in Little Britain (slightly odd as wikipedia says that it was dominated by booksellers, goldsmiths and the clothing trade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Britain,_London)
2. We know that Robert had a niece Mary Harrfy, daughter of William Harrfy. (Was it this niece who married a George Moody Longroft or her aunt?) We think that this William Harrfy was the son of William and Mary Harrfy (nee Brett) buried in Chichester Cathedral. This William was the son of Thomas Harrfy apothecary and his wife Elizabeth. We also think that the couple buried in Chichester had a daughter Mary Harrfy to whom her mother made bequests in her will. From this we know that our Robert had a sister who married William Harrfy. Do we know her name or anything about their marriage?
3. Do we know anything else about other brothers or sisters?
4. We know that he married Mary Burbidge, a widow on 28 January 1764 at St George the Martyr and we think that her maiden name might have been Reynoldes and we have some ideas info about the first marriage and the first husband's death. We know that her second marriage was witnessed by John and Ann Reynoldes. Might these have been her parents, siblings or brother and sister in law?
4. We know a lot about his children Robert (married Sarah Smith and Ann Porter) and Thomas (married Mary Phipps).
5. JJ Says above that son William continued to live at Red Cross St (Robert's burial record refers to New Red Cross St) after his mother's death. I can't find this source. Do we know more about him? There is a non-conformist death record for a William Blunt died 14 and buried 18 December 1828 in Shrewsbury aged 64. The burial is listed as 'Chosen by Robert Blunt' (is this a burial plot chosen by him?). As all this fits, I have assumed that this is him. There is a later record in the same source also 'Chosen by Robert Blunt' repeating the earlier information and adding a second death 'Mary Blunt aged 81 died 1st August 1851 buried 5 August 1851', ie born c1770. I had originally thought that listing the two of them together suggested that Mary was William's wife, or it could be Mary nee Phipps, Thomas's wife, who was born in 1770. Seeing a Mary in the 1841 Shrewsbury census previously I assumed that Mary nee Phipps moved to Shrewsbury after her husband died. (I cant find this Mary in the 1851 census.) Or it could be Robert Blunt's sister Mary Blunt born 1768. Any comments?
6. Does anyone have more on the two daughters, Mary and Sarah?
All for now.
Alan
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I am still very interested in Marcham/Marlham. My sister points out that a child Maria Marlham, parents George and Mary, was christened in St Mary Lambeth, not far away, on 11 April 1788. I can also see the burial of a George Frederick Marlham, son of George Marlham, in St George the Martyr on 21 October 1791. I can't quite make out the address. The mention of a father & no wife suggests to me that this was a child. The only other Marlham entries I can see are a will for Hannah Marlham, from St Mary Lambeth, proved 21 November 1797, but I can't see anything interesting in it, and a marriage, also of a Hannah Marlham to a James Carmitchel in October 1752. Can't see how this would be relevant. I can't find a marriage, the birth of George Fredrick the son or the death of George the father.
And to raise a new question, does anyone have parents for Ann Porter?
Alan
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William Harffy features in an Ancestry tree here http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/443303/family?cfpid=6636297454
It seems very complete except for the marriage of the son William to our daughter Blunt.
Alan
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...I type so slowly...will post anyway and look at the new posts tomorrow
From the little blurb I found online with the bit from Mary Harffy's will.... re: their marriage prenuptuals, William Harffy married Mary Brett of Petersfield co. Hants
They had a son William I believe I saw earlier, and a daughter Mary who was still single at the time of Robert's will married later to Longcroft...Is here an extra generation in there I am missing Alan?... I cannot find a connection to the Blunts ...But I am a slow searcher until I have access to some info.
I'll look for that pre-nup info again ...Alan did you read the will of Mary Harffy? Maybe the bit online was trancribed wrong as it says brother in law, not son in law.
I have no more information I don't think re garding your query...
Relying on memory regarding William in Minto after Mother's death...will look back into that as well...
Although I found them quite a while back, I had not figured out the burials of William & Mary either.
Yes it could be his brother William if we can find some proof! & no I hadn't thought of it being Mary Phipps!
Sorry can't answer any of those questions. But getting late and spinning wheels right now, I'll pop in again if I find anything!
J.J.
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Hello Alan, I am sorry if I sounded as if I had something valid on the Harffy family. I was looking through my notes after you posted and saw the Harffy thing again and "tried" for hours to read the Robert Blunt will when "rffy' caught my eye several times. I'd thought it was Scarfy.
I went back to the original description of the Harffy will and realized the numbers within were on the previous page, Deeds of the Hollycombe Estate. It appears to have something prenuptual as it mentions the upcoming marriage for William Harffy & Mary Brett. I am sorry I didn't add a link back when I found it. Very off my game....Doesn't appear to be in my notes either and I usually keep everything I find in case it one day fits in....Which it did for Robert's first family
July 17th 1742
a)Mary Brett, of Petersfield, co. Hants., spinster
b) William Harfey, of Liphook in Bramshott, co. Hants., chirurgeon
c) John Colebrook, of Petersfield, clerk, and Thomas Taylor, of Liphook, wheelwright
more on page
A familiar name now, there is a Beale in there as wittness!
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/a726ec10-e8b7-4dd4-b986-522169eb7351
Copied this link as well, not sure what it is. Have you seen this Alan? Litigation Marlham v Phipps b.r. http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=marlham
I have to run but...Hopefully can read more later J.J.
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I modified to correct a few words in above reply as I'd been in a hurry and it made the wording ambiguous, sorry.
Alan, I had a bit of scattered info regarding local Marlham back in Reply#14 ...That George, the father, also had a brother Thomas who would be the right age for the marriage as well...The lads were christened St. Clement Danes, Middlesex which are about 40 to 45 minutes walk from Mount St or Green Street.
Doesn't help anything, just adding...
Now have to go finish making supper so another day zipped by, haha...so sorry, not sure when I can delve in.
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A thought regarding burial plots being "chosen by" Robert, perhaps because they were uppercrustish types, they might have had their choice of places where they might inter their rellies?
I just found the information once again, that William was "working" on Red Cross street as an upholsterer....There are no addresses given in this information...so not sure ...This was in the 1820s not sure why I haven't a firm date.
J.J.
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Lots more good stuff to look through.
I thought I had posted yesterday to agree with JJ and admit that I had inserted an extra generation in the Harffy relationships.
It should be
Dr William Harffy surgeon of Chichester (1717-1795) (son of Thomas Harffy apothecary of Horsham and his second wife Elizabeth)
Married Mary Brett (1720-1771, will proved 1773)
One child William Harffy died young 1753
Daughter Mary b 1753 m 1778 George Moody Longcross.
This Mary was listed as sole beneficiary / one only child in her mother's will, but in the event of her death, everything would go to her brother in law, Robert Blunt of Southwark.
Robert in turn mentions this Mary Harffy as his niece.
I can only think of a few ways in which these relationships could arise
1. Robert Blunt and William Harffy were half-brothers.
2.Mary Burbidge was Mary Brett's sister, which seems unlikely( two Marys), or
3. Robert Blunt had a first wife who was Mary Brett's sister, which isn't possible as Robert was shown as a bachelor when marrying widow Mary Burbidge.
I am therefore left with the first of these. There would have been time after William Harffy's birth for his father to have died and his mother to have remarried, becoming Robert Blunt's mother.The very complete ancestry tree that I mentioned earlier (which has the will and two post-nuptual agreements attached) doesn't have the deaths of either of William's parents, but it does show Thomas Harffy apothecary carrying on in his practice for far too long. The only hope for this theory is therefore if this tree has missed a death and confused another Thomas, son, or nephew (both of whom existed) with the original apothecary of Horsham.
I can't find any evidence for this, however, and would very much welcome other ideas.
The court case looks like a very promising lead.
Alan
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Another thought. Robert Blunt died when his children were very young. The main provision of his will was to leave funds for his executors to set up an annuity to support his wife and children. Among the provisions is that his children might get apprenticeships.
William Harffy (surgeon) and his father Thomas Harffy (apothecary) both took apprentices. Has anyone found a record of where our Blunts learnt the chemistry business?
Receipts for apprentices' payments are attached to the Harffy trees, but none from a Blunt. I will look.
Also, as well as his executors including his brother Richard Blunt, and his executor's daughter, his niece Mary Harffy, Robert's will also mentions Thomas Blunt of Petersfield, without mentioning a relationship. There are lots of Blunts of Petersfield. It might be worth trying to work out which one this is.
Alan
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I got all excited so I looked at a couple of the images I had for apprentices...But they were from later & it was they who were the masters...phooey I wish I had a sub for a help site right now so I could look as well
:D I see you have sent me some email.... Stoking my addiction....off to look at those :D
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Hi J J
Just to clarify,
I'm not sure where Mary Harffy fits in to the 'tree' other than the mention she is the niece of Robert Blunt, and shouldn't be confused with the following Mary
I feel there is evidence that Mary Blunt nee Burbidge WAS Mary Reynoldes
Edward Burbidge married Mary Reynoldes 1750 by Licence, can only find a transcript of this marriage, and I cannot find the marriage licence which could have been helpful.
Edward Burbidge by his Will in 1761 left Mary two properties in the 'Mint'.
Mary Burbidge, widow married Robert Blunt ~ witnesses : John and Ann Reynolds ~ worth trying too find out who these people were. Seen the actual register,all signed ~ John and Ann as REYNOLDES
Mary Blunt was in Redcross Street, Mint ( from her burial record).
Thomas Burbidge, Edward Burbidges brother, also had two properties that were mentioned in his Will dated 1793, in Red Cross Street, which he left to his son Thomas.
claire
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Hi J J and Alan
The other executor of Robert Blunts Will ~ William Coleman the younger. I have to presume he is the same William that married another MARY HARFFY by licence in 1774.
This Mary was the niece and beneficiary of Petronella Harffy's Will in 1796, sister of Dr. William Harffy
So William and Petronella had other siblings ~ maybe the Blunt connection came in here
claire
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Hi Both of you
With everything Alan found in a prior post, I think this is a summary
George MARLOW married Mary PHIPPS by licence 18 Feb 1787 St Mary Lambeth ( marriage licence states George was a musician)
Daughter: Maria bpt. 11 April 1788 surname MARLHAM
Son: George Frederick bp. 28 Aug 1791 son of George and Mary surname transcibed MARTON
George Frederick buried 21 October 1791, abode Temple Street, St. George, surname MARLHAM, father Geo.
Maria MARHLAM buried 20 Oct. 1800 aged 13. St Mary and Abbotts Church, Kensington.
Abode: Phillimore Place
Looking for George's burial :)
claire
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That's super, thanks so very much, Claire... for all the work you're doing on our behalf!
I wonder if it was Marlom, some "Ws" are oddly similar. How sad that she lost her husband and her children from that marriage... J.J.
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Hi
Gazetteer and New Daily Advertiser (London, England), Tuesday, February 27, 1787
On the 18th instant at the Parish Church of St Mary Lambeth. George Marlow Esq.of Cumberland Row, Kennington, Surrey, to Miss Mary Phipps of Vauxhall
Same piece appeared in St. James's Chronicle or the British Evening Post (London, England), February 24, 1787 - February 27, 1787
claire
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Great work. We really seem to be making progress.
The Burbidge /Reynoldes connection looks more and more convincing.I agree that it would be good to fit the witnesses in.
As you say, Petronella Harffy died unmarried in Enfield in 1796. She left everything to her niece Mary Coleman , wife of William Coleman of Enfield.
I haven't worked out exactly where this Mary fits in, presumably the daughter of another of Petronella's brothers. (The tree I am looking at and don't entirely trust shows sons Thomas b 1712 and John 1716 and daughters by their father’s first marriage, to a Mary Fairhead, but doesn't have their spouses or children.)
The Marlow /Marlham connection looks increasingly coherent too, but I am left with doubts. I could read Mary's name on her marriage as Marcham or Marlham; Marlow would be a push. And Mary and her siblings were christened in the City of London. This is the first mention I have of Vauxhall. Their son was buried in Southwark, their daughter in Kennington (probably not Kensington) and Mary's abode in her 2nd marriage was Newington - too many places. It would be worth checking the litigation that JJ mentioned when we have a moment.
Finally, in odd moments I have been looking for records of the apprenticeships that launched our Blunt sons as Chemists. (Paying for apprenticeships was one of the provisions of Robert's will.) Nothing yet, but I did find a Robert, son of William Blunt, apprenticed to William Robinson, an apothecary of Postsea, now Hampshire on 2nd May 1749. So perhaps there were already relatives on the business.
I also want to find out more about brother Richard Blunt and the Thomas Blunt of Petersfield mentioned in Robert's will.
Alan
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On the Harfflys, Petronella's half-brother Thomas by her father's first wife was born in London on Christmas Eve 1712 and, on 9 March 1723 (aged 10!?) married Mary Turner.They had a daughter Mary, born Horsham 1746. In 1774 she married William Coleman in London. William was born in London in 1736. His parents were William Coleman and Mary Skinner.
All this taken from another tree and to be checked and corrected.
Can't see any obvious connection to Blunts, but William Coleman is obviously worth checking a little more.
Alan
PS. Have you noticed that almost all the women in this story are called Mary?
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William Coleman was a very wealthy Jp (junior part-time judge) in the City of London.
He and his wife Mary nee Harffy were buried in St Albans Cathedral north on London.
His will includes bequests to his wife and children and to his wife's niece sometimes referred to as Mary Harffy and sometimes Mary Elizabeth Harffy.
Unfortunately for his wife, much of her bequest was in stock of the South Sea Company, which was a massive fraud, but he also had lots of government bonds and real estate.
Can't see any direct links to Blunts.
The trees I am looking at have his parents as Quakers. I'm not yet sure.
Alan
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Newington and Vauxhall do not appear to be that far away from each other, are they? I can walk that distance in a jiffy...unless my maps are deceiving me
Yes Alan the Thomas Blunt repetition was a thorn in my side. Thank goodness some were chemists and easier to locate....and yes, we have a glut of Mary right now.
The few I could find on the FHS site sorry I am not much help right now...
Thomas Blunt Burial Dec. 18 1792 Petersfield, Hampshire, England
This was under Thomas Blunt, no surname given for Mary
Mary Burial Sept 21 1810 Petersfield, Hampshire
Marital Status Married Spouse's Name Thomas Blunt
William Blunt burial: March 8 1792
Petersfield, Hampshire, England
marriage Nov 3 1803 Petersfield, Hampshire : William Blunt Spouse Ann Howard
Ann Blunt - burial: May 17 1831 Petersfield, Hampshire
William Blunt burial: Sept. 8 1827 Petersfield, Hampshire
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Reynolds Raynolds Reynoldes Renalds Reyuolds Reyghnoldes :D Why did these people marry so often? Was there a registration with witnesses for the marriage of Edward BURBIDGE / MARY REYNOLDES?
On a lighter note, aside....should any rellies be interested... in the work of Thomas Porter Blunt, there has been a more recent discovery of the Downes & Blunt mention in 1874 of the formation of free radicals, ( using the term radicale) over 40 years prior to Gilbert Newton Lewis receiving credit ...calling them "odd molecules".
http://www.rsc.org/images/Historical-Group-Newsletter-Winter-2014_tcm18-238295.pdf
http://members.shaw.ca/TPBLUNT/Sunlight_Free-Radicals.htm
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Allegations for marriage licences issued by the Commissary Court of Surrey between 1673-1770
was looking for some Reynolds marriages that may have been recorded the same time as Mary Burbidge/Blunt ...There was a Hannah Reynolds of Camberwell remarrying the same year but the rest further afield
https://archive.org/stream/allegationsforma00baxa2#page/n307/mode/2up/search/reynolds
So nothing to report, however,
Just thought I'd add for a backburner hunt some time in the far future...since you had interest in this family. Samuel Blunt was listed in there... who, (from an online tree) may first have been married to Sarah GALE in 1750 ( another online source has ancestors for Samuel born Feb 6 1723, the son of William Blunt and his wife Sarah nee Sheppard )
6 Aug., 1759. Samuel Blunt of Horsham, co. Sussex, abode years, Esq., widower. 30, and Winifred Scawen of Reigate, abode year, spinster, 17 ; at Reigate. With consent of Robert Scawen, Esq. of Reigate, her father. Both sign.
You probably already know their son (Rev.) William had son Francis Scawen, father of Wilfred Scawen
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Interesting news on the free radicals.
Unfortunately we only have a marriage listing for Mary Reynolds and Edward Burbidge - no licence and no register entry, so also no witnesses or other family information. (We could really do with these.) We only know that they were both from St George, Southwark, him a widower and her a spinster. Oddly, although they lived south of the Thames, they were married in Holborn, to the north of the City of London.
I have been looking for info on Mary Reynolds' birth and on the witnesses. One speculative possibility is that John and Ann Reynolds were Mary's parents. If so, she might have been christened by parents John and Ann on 23 March 1726 in Horsham, Sussex (where the Harffys came from). Probably the same parents also christened children Ann (1724), Henrietta Maria (1729), Elizabeth (1732) and Bethia (1735). I haven't yet found the parents' marriage, death or a will, or indeed anything useful to show whether this might have been the family.
Another John and Ann Reynolds had children Sarah, James and Isaac, in St Thomas's (parish next to St George the Martyr) in the 1720s. This might have made them our Mary's uncle and aunt, but still only very speculative.
Back to Marlow/Marlham/Marcham. My doubts are: 1) that as far as I know the Phipps family lived in the City of London. Mary was Christened there and her father was buried there a few years before her marriage. I think I can see tax records showing the family living there through much of that period, and probably for Mary's mother after her father's death, although I can't be sure of this. Mary's brother Jonathan Wathen Waller certainly served his apprenticeship in the City after his father's death. I have never heard mention of any connection between the family and Vauxhall, 2) that the signatures of Mary Phipps on the first marriage and Mary Marcham/Marlham look completely different, 3) that I don't recognise any of the witnesses at the early marriage, 4) that the name Marlow seems to be confirmed from various sources and is also clearly written by the clerk and in his signature on the marriage register, but the name on on the marriage to Thomas Blunt could be Marcham or Marlham, but really couldn't be Marlow (it's also clearly written twice), 4 that although the various places mentioned for the Marlow/Marcham marriage, births and deaths are all close to each other, they are all in different parishes; people tended to use their parish church, so this would imply several moves in a short space of time, 5 that there were many other Mary Phipps around at the time who might have married George Marlow.
In short, too many discrepancies and not enough confirmation for my likes.
Sorry to be negative about this.
Alan
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No not at all, you've obviously got a great eye and mind for all this...Neither of which have I... ;)
I did not mean to say the answer was correct, only that all things are possible...to leave all doors open....and yes, a tie-in would be nice. Perhaps it hides in some phonetic limbo somewhere.
I was wondering if John & Ann Reynoldes might be parents as well....and will post this anyway just because it is there, and it sparked me earlier on to find Mary Burbidge's husband...
Looking through the tax assessments for 1786 there is the Wiidow Blunt and Thomas Burbidge on Red Cross Street...then Next around the corner second name down on Queen street is the Widow Reynolds...
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That's really interesting. I wonder if we can account for all the houses left in Edward Burbidge's will.
Alan
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Hello Alan, I haven't read the Burbidge will for years. It was always in my maybe file with notes.... I'd be happy to read through the will again eventually, but cannot right now, as I really have to buckle down & get some work completed. I'd love to help out in the new year...get a sub, maybe for different site if it has other sources, and actually work on this with you. I am so happy to have found another distant relative!
Claire... I know there are some helpers who add one thing and move on, and others who clench to the bit & delve in, so I value your input and for having stayed in the trenches..... I really appreciate you! Big giant hugs and a star from me!
I think I may actually have to shut off notification so as to not be tempted to look in. J.J.
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Re the Harffys.
I was looking for an earlier death for Thomas Harffy, father of the Dr William mentioned in the will (himself father of Mary mentioned as Robert Blunt's niece.) The idea, of course, was to see whether Thomas Harffy's wife Elizabeth might have married again after the birth of William's sister Petronella in 1717 and become Robert Blunt's mother. I didn't find that, but I did find an 'index only' record on Ancestry, details as follows:
Harffy, Elizabeth
1720
Horsham, Sussex, England
Sussex: Chichester - Calendar of Wills in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Chichester, 1482-1800
Wills Now Preserved in the Probate Registry at Chichester.
Chapt 1482-1800.
Harffy, Elizabeth, widow, Horsham 33 12 1720
I assume this means that there is a will for (ie a death of) Elizabeth Harffy, who was herself already a widow by the time, ie that both parents died in or before 1720. On the other hand it might not be very clear and might just indicate that Elizabeth became a widow in 1720, which is what I was hoping to find.
Or perhaps, as orphans, William and Petronella Harffy were bought up by the Blunts and regarded themselves as brothers and sisters without any blood relationship.
I tried to find more details on the West Sussex Archives and National Archives web sites, but failed. However, as well as the post-nuptual agreements, some deeds and Mary Harffy's will, which we already knew they had, they have a box entitled:
Certified copies of parish registers relating to the Taylor, Longcroft and Harffy families
which looks interesting.
I may contact them to see whether they can make and send me a copy, but first I will try posting on the Sussex section here to see whether anyone already has it. I will add a link when I've written the post.
In the mean time, others' comments would be more than welcome.
Alan
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Have made a post about Blunt /Harffy here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733329.new#new
Alan
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Some pages back, JJ mentioned some of the Waller family history quoting from an obituary and giving a link to one of the Burke publications.
I think that this Burke publication has a little more.
https://archive.org/stream/ageneralandhera00burkgoog#page/n589/mode/2up/search/waller
(Anne Waller b 1715 married John Allen. Their daughter Mary Allen married Joshua Phipps. They were parents of Jonathan Wathen Phipps, who changed his name to Jonathan Wathen Waller and become a baronet, and Mary Phipps, who as widow of Marcham or Marlham, married Thomas Blunt, chemist and son of Robert Blunt of the Bank of England.)
Alan
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If anyone is interested in the Phipps ancestors of this family, I made a post here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734230.new#new
and am getting marvellous help.
Alan
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The Waller family has been mentioned here. (Anne Waller married John Allen, their daughter Mary Allen married Robert Phipps; their daughter Mary Phipps, widowed from her first marriage to Marlham or Marcham, married Thomas Blunt son of Robert of the Bank of England.)
Anyway, there is a fairly complete pedigree of the Wallers here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kitwithers/waller/waller.html
This largely draws on pedigrees of Buckinghamshire families available here
https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE4754979&
Alan
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Lots of really helpful stuff on the Phipps family in the thread the link to which was included above.
I have just made a post in the Hampshire section asking for info about the Blunts of Petersfield.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734543.new#new
Alan
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I have had an exceptionally helpful reply to my post on the Hampshire section about the Blunts of Petersfield which confirms Robert's ancestry going back a couple of generations, with lots of his uncles and cousins thrown in.
It also explains the Harffy mystery. Robert's mother, shown in the Petersfield marriage records as Barbara Beet, was really Barbara Brett, nee Wormell. She had a daughter Mary Brett by her first marriage who was obviously bought up with our Robert. Although she referred to Robert as her brother in law, he was her half brother.
See the post there for details.
Alan
PS I also think that I can trace Barbara Wormell back for a few generations.
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Alan, once there are researchers working on a project, no need to start another thread/ query on the same subjects ....I gets too confusing and creates duplication of resource
Of course out of the area, it may be necessary ....But then you absolutely must link back and forth, which also gets confusing and takes some time, but necessary....Easier for you to do it right away than for others to look about...
I know how hard these people work behind the scences and this is not their family... :D J.J.
Here is the Harffy post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=733329.msg5801259#msg5801259
The Post on Robert Bank of England where the Harffy connectiion was solved
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734543.0
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Hi everyone,
JJ gave me a little information about the father of Sarah Browne, who married William Smith Blunt, son of Robert Blunt and Sarah Smith.
With a little digging, I think I have found the family, her parents were James Bardwell Browne and Bethia Porter.
It is the latter name, Porter, which really interests me. James Bardwell Browne and Bethia Porter married in Chesham, Bucks in 1797.
As you will remember, Sarah Smith was Robert Blunt's first wife; he married his second wife, Ann Porter in Chesham, Bucks in 1802. So it's completely possible that Bethia and Ann Porter were sisters.
I'm still very interested in finding Ann Porter's parents. I can see a tree on Ancestry which gives Bethia Porter's parents as William and Sarah, but with no sources, and I can't find information to support this.
I would be delighted if anyone else can do better than me.
Alan
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01gho/
Noting that children's mother was transcribed as Bithia on all the FHS transcripts. ( Sadly) Her name might also have been Elizabeth & her family nickname Bethia.
England and Wales Non-Conformist Record Indexes has
a Bethiah Brown was buried March 1st 1787 Chesham, Buckinghamshire
Bathia Brown death Dec 24 1818 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire ( Is this our Bethia (nee Porter? )
Bithiah Brown buried 30 December 1818 Wooburn, Buckinghamshire
mother: Sarah Brown
Buckinghamshire Parish Registers Chesam marriages
https://archive.org/stream/buckinghamshirep08phil/buckinghamshirep08phil_djvu.txt
There may be more in the earlier marriages ( 1600s) would have to look closer
Two older marriage are:
p. 52 Zachariah Hawks & Martha Porter... April 21st 1701
p. 74 Joseph Porter & Rebecca Dancer ... Feb 22 1735
Within 30 years of each other, these marriages, including the two we know of
p. 119 Jas. Bardwell Browne, of Berkhampstead, Bethia Porter, lic. ... July 4th 1797
*also Jas. Reynolds & Sarah Puddephat on page
p. 123 Robt. Blunt, w., p. St. George, Southwark, Anne Porter, lic. June 17 th 1802
p. 127 Saml. Porter & Sarah Ball, lic. May 29th 1806
*Henry Benning & Eliza Renolds on page
p.129 Wm. Street & Mary Ann Porter, lic. Aug. 16 th 1808
p. 136 Robt. Wray, esq., p. St. Andrew, Holborn, & Eliza Porter, lic. March 31st 1817
*Now see that here are Reynolds galore and several Blunts in there as well...
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The IGI listing for HIGH STREET INDEPENDENT,CHESHAM,BUCKINGHAM,ENGLAND has more complete entries of birth and Christening dates for all the children of Jas B. Browne & Bethia (Porter)
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Abrowne%20%2Bbatch_number%3AC089081
There is a fuller entry for the first child, Bithia of James & Bethia/Bithia
Chesham, Buckingham, England Independent Church, High Street Chapel
Bithia Browne father: James Browne mother:Bithia
birth: 26 March 1798
christening: 6 May 1798
death: 7 November 1800
There is also this entry....In case Samuel might also be a sibling to Ann (nee Porter) Blunt
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5VM-ZBN
Sarah Porter Christening 21 July 1808 HIGH ST. IND.,CHESHAM, BUCKS
Father: Samuel Porter Mother: Sarah (Ball?)
Phooey, The Northampton Mercury news had just their names no parents! Last week, at Chesham, Bucks, Mr. Samuel Porter, to Miss Sarah Ball ( at least we know she was single :D )
another that might be theirs
Samuel Parten ( might be Porter) Christening Date 16 Nov 1809 HIGH ST. IND.,CHESHAM, BUCKS
Birth Date 21 Oct 1809 Samuel Parten & Sarah
and looks as though Wm Street & Mary Ann Porter ended up in Ontario Canada
http://www.nflibrary.ca/nfplindex/show.asp?id=307415&b=1
adding: found more http://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Ann-Street/6000000003579217618
IF they have it all right...It says she was the daughter of - Rev Moses Porter, Son of Richard Porter and Rachael Porter
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People might be interested to know that JJ and I have found fairly conclusive evidence of where Thomas Blunt, son of Robert who worked at the Bank of England, did his chemistry training.
Thomas Blunt and Charles Treacher Pope were both apprenticed to William Seymour, a chemist from Red Lion Street in Clerkenwell. Both also witnessed his will stating that they were his apprentices. A codicil added just before he died three years later was witnessed by Charles Treacher Pope and Robert Blunt, who also took over the insurance on his premises after he died.
Robert was already running his own Chemist's in Southwark at this time, but one year later he was joined in the insurance policy there by brother Thomas and Charles Treacher Pope. Mr Pope left the following year and appears as the proprietor of on inn in his will. The Blunts carried on for a while as we know, and then moved one to Shrewsbury and one to Chelsea.
We still haven't found where Robert was apprenticed.
On a separate note, Mary Marlham (I think, although it could just be Marcham) shows up in 1801 witnessing the second marriage of her step grandfather, Jonathan Wathen to an Elizabeth Smith.
Alan
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Started a new topic about John Allen, grandfather of Thomas Blunt's wife Mary Phipps here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=736898.new#new
Alan
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Please note, the Porter family mystery query ( Rev. Wm. Porter/ Moses/ Richard etc.) has now been moved to Buckinghamshire, as they must have moved there from London for some reason....and noone has had any luck with Kent or Royston mystery thus far! Thanks everyone, so very much for all your work. I know several who were working behind the scenes to try & find us a tie in!
Here it that link, in case anyone ever finds something! J.J.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=737988.0
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I am very grateful to my 4th cousin Douglas Woodall who has discovered the parents of Mary Blunt nee Reynolds discussed at some length in this thread. They were Charles and Diana Reynolds. Interestingly they lived in Red Cross St Southwark, where Mary and Robert Blunt also lived. Charles Reynolds was a broker. His will was proved in the Canterbury Court on 13 February 1767. His wife Diana’s will was proved on 26 June 1787. Both wills mention daughters Mary Blunt and Ann Dale and a son John Reynolds. Charles’s will also mentions a son George and Diana’s a daughter-in-law Ann. (John and Ann Reynolds were the witnesses at Mary’s marriage to Robert Blunt.)
We have been unable to find much other convincing information about the family and I have started a new thread here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759705.new#new seeking help.
Alan