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Interested to know when Henry Powning Stark arrived in New Zealand from Australia. He was born 8 October 1826 in Devon, England. Arrived in Melbourne aged 24 aboard the 'Sirocco'. Married Sarah Cooper 1854? (Pioneer Index Victoria Reg 774). 3 May 1861 New Zealand Gazette lists him as member for Napier in the House of Representatives. Interested to know what happened to wife Sarah as he remarried Emma Lindsay 1 March 1867 and when and how he arrived in New Zealand. thanks :)
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Hello
Welcome. :)
Have you looked yet at our PapersPast (historic newspapers), website ?
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
Just having a brief look, I found a few snippets about Henry around the time of his death (5 July 1870). There may well have been a full obituary published for him.
[Search on his full name / "H.P. STARK" / "stark" etc. ]
Henry P. STARK - died 5 July 1870 at Shortland (Thames, NZ) aged 43 years
- place of death, Imperial Hotel, Pollen Street, Thames
- had been a resident of the province [[I suspect this means the wider-Auckland province ? ]]
for about 14 years [[so arrival c. 1856 ]] - had previously carried on business in Auckland as a stock and sharebroker, land agent and auctioneer.
- left behind a wife and family, quite unprovided for.
~ Lu
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This may be Sarah's death
1866/02128, STARK, Sarah Jane, NR
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Sarah STARK
NZ BDM online, has the following death (- index does not note place of death).
1866 - STARK - Sarah Jane - age N/R (N/R = not recorded)
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...oops ... BINGO ! Twiggy. ;D
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Mmm ... can see Henry's burial at the Shortland Cemetery, Thames ... the record shows capacity of plot "2" and "used" ?? ... but there is no other STARK burial noted for that cemetery.
Will explore further.
~ Lu
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And a marriage which may be Henry's widow. ??
Emma STARK - Jacob JUNG -- 1871
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Married Sarah Cooper 1854? (Pioneer Index Victoria Reg 774).
Interested to know what happened to wife Sarah ...
Hi again
> Were there children of the union of Henry and Sarah ??
[Can't see any births in New Zealand for - "STARK - mother - Sarah". Just curious about whether wife Sarah accompanied him to NZ ? ]
~ Lu
~ Lu
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Interested to know when Henry Powning Stark arrived in New Zealand from Australia. He was born 8 October 1826 in Devon, England. Arrived in Melbourne aged 24 aboard the 'Sirocco'. Married Sarah Cooper 1854? (Pioneer Index Victoria Reg 774).
Hello again
Mmm ... something a wee bit odd with dates ? (or is it just me? ??? )
The Henry STARK aged 24 who arrived in Melbourne per "Sirocco" in August 1858 can't (I don't think), be the same man as Henry Powning STARK. ?
[1858 less 24 years = 1834 (approx. birth year) so this 1858 Henry STARK, is 8 years younger.]
Henry Powning STARK is also listed as having been in Auckland in 1858 (in relation to the subdividing of allotments in the area around Blockhouse Bay /or Titirangi. )
~ Lu
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Probate @ Auckland for Henry Powning Stark - Shortland, 1895.
Go to: www.archway.archives.govt.nz
Minniehaha.
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A Mr and Mrs Stark arrived in Auckland 31/3/1854 aboard the "Amelia"
Name STARK,
Vessel AMELIA: Mar 31 1854
Notes Title: Mr
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Name STARK,
Vessel AMELIA: Mar 31 1854
Notes Title: Mrs
Cheers Janette
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The Amelia came from Sydney
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t53/
Cheers Janette
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PapersPast :
"Daily Southern Cross" (Auckland) - 13 June 1868 - Fire at Onehunga ... page 4
.... fire at the Court House hotel, owned at occupied by Mr H. Powning STARK.
- the fire said to have been first discovered by Miss STARK who at once aroused her parents.
- at the time there were 8 persons residing in the building - MR and MRs STARK, 4 children, Mrs Skeene a lodger and a servant.
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On the Australian website TROVE there is an article about NZ
Empire (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1875)(about) Previous issue Saturday 8 June 1861 Next issue
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/60490865?searchTerm="henry powning stark"&searchLimits=
Henry Powning Stark was mentioned as being a member of the General Assembly in the House of Representatives as the member for Napier
Cheers Janette
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From "Papers Past", 'New Zealand Herald' dated 19.2.1866, death notice:
"On February 18th at Flagstaff, North Shore, Auckland, Sarah Jane, wife of Mr. H.P. Stark, aged 38 years". etc.
Minniehaha. :)
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Interested to know when Henry Powning Stark arrived in New Zealand from Australia. He was born 8 October 1826 in Devon, England. Arrived in Melbourne aged 24 aboard the 'Sirocco'. Married Sarah Cooper 1854? (Pioneer Index Victoria Reg 774). 3 May 1861 New Zealand Gazette lists him as member for Napier in the House of Representatives.
Wikipedia says that his term was brief ... 19 February to 27 April 1861, when he resigned. ??
[Doesn't quite make sense regarding the Gazette entry - though the Gazette may have already gone to print before word of his resignation was known ? ]
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:) Well done Minnie. (I'd searched and searched for that death. :-[ )
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Yes, well done Minnie, I was just going to post Auckland for the location.
Cheers
KHP
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It appears that Devonport was originally called Flagstaff because of the flagstaff raised on Mt Victoria
http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/auckland-places/page-5
Cheers Janette
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Thank you!
I have had a very quick look for the burial, without success.
Flagstaff suggests Devonport to me. What do you think?
Minniehaha.
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Question answered. Thank you Janette............
Minniehaha. :)
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Hi,
STARK On March 16, at Onehunga, Mrs H P Stark, of a son. [Southern Cross, 17 Mar 1868]
STARK On December 23, at Shortland, Thames, the wife of H P Stark, of a daughter.
[Southern Cross, Sat 25 Dec 1869]
Cheers
KHP
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Probate @ Auckland for Henry Powning Stark - Shortland, 1895.
Go to: www.archway.archives.govt.nz
Minniehaha.
Noticed in a Court article - 1895 - where the judge commented on the length of time (25 years), before Letters of Administration had been applied for in the case of Henry Powning STARK.
[The file may contain some explanation as to the delay ? ]
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Oops didn't check first.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi,
STARK On March 16, at Onehunga, Mrs H P Stark, of a son. [Southern Cross, 17 Mar 1868]
STARK On December 23, at Shortland, Thames, the wife of H P Stark, of a daughter.
[Southern Cross, Sat 25 Dec 1869]
Cheers
KHP
The children by his 2nd marriage to Emma LINDSAY.
1868 - STARK - John Powning
1870 - STARK - Isabella Ann Downing[sic] [should perhaps read "Powning ?" ]
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STARK – PUDNEY On March 4, at St Sepulchre’s, by the Rev B T Dudley, H P Stark Esq of
Auckland to Emma Lindsay, second daughter of Randolph Pudney Esq, Chelmsford,
Essex. [Southern Cross, 8 Mar 1867]
Cheers
KHP
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Another snippet.
JUNG – STARK On September 30, by the Rev V Lush, at the school room, Tararu, Mr Jacob Jung
of Tararu to Emma Stark. [Southern Cross, Mon 9 Oct 1871]
Cheers
KHP
Hi KHP
I looked at that earlier and it seems very likely to be Emma (the 2nd w/o H.P. STARK ).
[The death snippets for Henry Powning STARK suggested that his wife and children had been left destitute. H.P. STARK had also been declared bankrupt a month or so before his death.]
There were 3 children born to Jacob and Emma JUNG - one of whom (Elizabeth) was buried (aged 5 months) at a cemetery in Thames District.
~ Lu
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Hi,
STARK On March 16, at Onehunga, Mrs H P Stark, of a son. [Southern Cross, 17 Mar 1868]
STARK On December 23, at Shortland, Thames, the wife of H P Stark, of a daughter.
[Southern Cross, Sat 25 Dec 1869]
Cheers
KHP
The children by his 2nd marriage to Emma LINDSAY.
1868 - STARK - John Powning
1870 - STARK - Isabella Ann Downing[sic] [should perhaps read "Powning ?" ]
BDMH listings
1868/12738, STARK, John Powning, Emma, Henry Powning
1870/16800, STARK, Isabella Ann Downing, Emma, Rewny Downing,
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:) Phew everyone - thanks for all the input - need to do a bit of sorting and will revert - greatly appreciate time taken by everyone, particularly regarding the marriage to Sarah and her death. Was not aware of daughter (Isabella Ann) born to second wife Emma in 1869, however follows as he had an elder sister Isabella Anne born Devon, UK 1 Sept 1824. The son, John Powning Stark (b 15 March 1868 Onehunga, Auckland) was my wife's grandfather. There were lengthy legal proceedings between London, Auckland and Australia instituted by John Powning Stark between 1891-1896 to establish his claim to properties in NZ and UK. He departed NZ (as far as I can ascertain) in 1891 and arrived in South Africa in 1896 - not sure where he was in-between years. He established a number of businesses related to gold mining and property close to Johannesburg ;).
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Interested to know when Henry Powning Stark arrived in New Zealand from Australia. He was born 8 October 1826 in Devon, England. Arrived in Melbourne aged 24 aboard the 'Sirocco'. Married Sarah Cooper 1854? (Pioneer Index Victoria Reg 774).
Hello again
Mmm ... something a wee bit odd with dates ? (or is it just me? ??? )
The Henry STARK aged 24 who arrived in Melbourne per "Sirocco" in August 1858 can't (I don't think), be the same man as Henry Powning STARK. ?
[1858 less 24 years = 1834 (approx. birth year) so this 1858 Henry STARK, is 8 years younger.]
Henry Powning STARK is also listed as having been in Auckland in 1858 (in relation to the subdividing of allotments in the area around Blockhouse Bay /or Titirangi. )
~ Lu
Your observation most appreciated. Need to rethink. Was not aware of HPS in business in Auckland in 1858. Thanks
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...oops ... BINGO ! Twiggy. ;D
:D Thanks big time - Any suggestions where more info on Sarah death could be obtained - apparently no children from union. HPS remarried Emma Lindsay 4 March 1867.
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The Amelia came from Sydney
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0t53/
Cheers Janette
;)Thanks Jeanette - seems I had the wrong boat and wrong Stark!
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PapersPast :
"Daily Southern Cross" (Auckland) - 13 June 1868 - Fire at Onehunga ... page 4
.... fire at the Court House hotel, owned at occupied by Mr H. Powning STARK.
- the fire said to have been first discovered by Miss STARK who at once aroused her parents.
- at the time there were 8 persons residing in the building - MR and MRs STARK, 4 children, Mrs Skeene a lodger and a servant.
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;) Thanks Lucy. Wonder where the four children come from? One would be John (born 15 March 1868) but did Emma Lindsay bring one, two or three with her from previous marriage? Any idea where I could look :D
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From "Papers Past", 'New Zealand Herald' dated 19.2.1866, death notice:
"On February 18th at Flagstaff, North Shore, Auckland, Sarah Jane, wife of Mr. H.P. Stark, aged 38 years". etc.
Minniehaha. :)
:) :) great. many thanks Minniehaha - major breakthrough. Mike
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STARK – PUDNEY On March 4, at St Sepulchre’s, by the Rev B T Dudley, H P Stark Esq of
Auckland to Emma Lindsay, second daughter of Randolph Pudney Esq, Chelmsford,
Essex. [Southern Cross, 8 Mar 1867]
Cheers
KHP
Mmm ... was just a little curious as to why bride's surname shows in the Marriage Index as LINDSAY when the marriage notice (apparently) showed "STARK - PUDNEY" ???
A check of the "Daily Southern Cross" - 8 March 1867, reveals though that the notice doesn't actually show "STARK - PUDNEY" ... it just begins with the words ... "On March 4, at ... "
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Hi Mike ... yes it would seem that Emma, d/o of Randolph PUDNEY, probably had a prior marriage to a "Mr LINDSAY" ?
I can't find a reference in NZ Marriage records, so will need to explore further afield.
~ Lu
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Hi again
... So, Emma (formerly LINDSAY) was the mother of John Powning STARK.
> Do you know what became of Emma ?
> Was she the same lady who had a marriage (shortly after the death of HP STARK) to a Jacob JUNG (occupation : Baker). ??
~ Lu
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Incidentally, John P. STARK was still listed as living in NZ in 1896 (in the South Island of NZ).
1896 - Canterbury - Timaru
STARK - John Powing - Timaru - Coachbuilder (Residential voting qualification)
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... whoops, sorry - typo in last message ...
The E/R listing should read >
STARK - John Powning - Timaru - Coachbuilder ...
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A check of the "Daily Southern Cross" - 8 March 1867, reveals though that the notice doesn't actually show "STARK - PUDNEY" ... it just begins with the words ... "On March 4, at ... "
I didn't see how it was worded on Papers Past ..... it came from one of my resources.
Cheers
KHP
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That's okay. :)
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I don't see Sarah's burial on the North Shore cemeteries database,I think the most likely place she would have been buried is Mt Victoria Cemetery
http://timespanner.blogspot.co.nz/2010/07/mt-victoria-cemetery-devonport.html
unfortunately the link to the index by David Verran didn't work.
Cheers Janette
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Hi again Mike
This appears to be Emma's previous marriage :
Emma PUDNEY
Crawford LINDSAY
married 21 September 1855
at Macclesfield, South Australia
~ Lu
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... and a marriage of a daughter in New Zealand :
(extract) ...
ROBINSON - LINDSAY
on 3 October [1874] .... Charles ROBINSON of Helensville to
Emma Caroline LINDSAY of Tararu, eldest daughter of the late Crawford LINDSAY, Esq. of Adelaide.
"New Zealand Herald" - 14 October 1874 - page 2
~ Lu
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... just noting in the marriage notice for Emma Caroline LINDSAY, that her place of residence (1874) is "Tararu".
Tararu (in the Thames-Coromandel District ? ) was also the place of marriage of an "Emma STARK to Jacob JUNG - 1871". [I suspected earlier that this Emma was HP STARK's widow ? ]
~ Lu
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Birth - South Australia
LINDSAY - Emma Caroline Margaret
Year: 1857
Parents: Crawford and Emma LINDSAY
Registered at: Leawood, South Australia
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A further snippet from "Papers Past", 'Evening Post' dated 28.12.1911 re: New Zealanders of the Transvaal.
Mention is made of Mr. J. P. Stark- Mayor of Springs.
Other items for J. P. Stark at this website.
Minniehaha. :)
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Also, try the website for Australian newspapers (TROVE):
trove.nla.gov.au
There are some references here to J. P. Stark.
Minniehaha.
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Hi Mike
Not sure of course just what info you already have for John Powning STARK's mother, Emma ??
I've never (I don't think) had cause to search the passenger lists into South Australia before. ;D
But firstly went to the Resources section of the Australian board here and found a link to Government Assisted Immigrants to South Australia where I found a reference to an Emma PUDNEY - Year 1855 (no actual passenger lists available at that site).
Amongst other resources (AUS board) there was a link to "theshipslist" with transcribed passenger lists to SA (South Australia) - but ships just grouped by year. Where to start ? (I'm too impatient to read intsructions. :D) However the first ship I selected > "Caroline" from Southampton 11 January 1855 - arrived Port Adelaide, 25 April 1855 > turned up the following :
Single Women
PUDNEY - Emma - 20 years - Domestic Servant - ex Surrey ???
[Also on this voyage were: PUDNEY - Stephen N. - 45 - Carpenter - ex Chelmsford, Essex (with a notation : 1851 census - aged 47) / PUDNEY - Lydia (Birkin) / PUDNEY - Stephen Major (13) / PUDNEY - Alice Eliza (11) and (listed under "Single Women" ) = PUDNEY - Lydia Elizabeth (14) Domestic Servant, Chelmsford, Essex - with parents. ] (Have no idea if the Emma PUDNEY was related to this Essex family ? )
~ Lu
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:) wow people still trying to digest all info - many thanks. Emma Pudney/Lindsay/Stark ended up marrying Jacob Jung (30 September 1871) in Tamaru. A daughter Lilly was born in 1876 (date unknown). Jacob was a baker from Darmstad, Hesse he was granted NZ nationalization (29 September 1885) under the name Jacob Young. The info on Emma is all very new - thanks. :)
I have a photograph (prob taken) late 1960 with woman (probably in her late 60s) and her three daughters (mid 30s). The family name was Begbie and she could have been the grand-daughter of Isabella Anne Powning Stark. Have not be able to find out if/when Isabella married. Family lore has it that John Powning Stark's sister (Isabella) remained in NZ and had been in contact in the 1940/50s with my wife's mother Joan Pithey (nee Powning Stark). ;D Thanks again
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Hi
If you go to the following site, you'll find burial info (plus photo of headstone) for the YOUNG family. [Jacob / children, Oliver Jacob / Lilly / ]
http://www.timaru.govt.nz/cemetery-database2.html
~ Lu
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.... will have a look too for Isabella in NZ. ;)
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Hello,
Just thought I would throw this into the mix-
From "Papers Past"- 'Auckland Star', dated 5.8.1897:
THAMES NEWS
Mr. H. P. Stark for many years assayer at the Bank of New South Wales, leaves here for Greymouth, where he will remain for a month and afterwards proceed to a branch in Western Australia.
Because of the initials, & the Thames and Australian connection, maybe he is related to Henry Powning Stark??
Minniehaha.
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Hello again
Just looking again at the photo of the YOUNG headstone (Temuka Cemetery) > link given in earlier post.
It records also the death of "Ann STARK" - aged just 9 years, on 26 May 1879. :'(
Searching the online death index (NZ BDM) I can see no "Ann STARK" 1879 or thereabouts ... but there is the following death :
1879 - STARK - Isabella - aged 9 years
[The date of death for Isabella - deduced from the online index - is 27 May 1879. ]
It would seem to me that Ann STARK (9 years) and Isabella STARK (9 years) - died 26 / 27 May 1879, are one and the same. And my guess is that this child was the daughter of Henry P. and Emma STARK - shown on the NZ birth index (1870) as Isabella Ann Powning STARK.
~ Lu
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The following is for Emma's daughter - Emma Caroline Margaret LINDSAY -- m. Charles ROBINSON 1874 :
NZ Births
Children of Emma Caroline and Charles ROBINSON :
1876 - Lilian Maude ROBINSON
1878 - Gertrude ROBINSON
1882 - Constance Eleanor Robinson
1884 - Mildred Daphne ROBINSON
1887 - Arthur Lindsay ROBINSON
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Emma Caroline ROBINSON wed a scond time :
Emma Caroline Margaret ROBINSON - Arthur DARTNALL -- 1913
NZ Death
1945 - DARTNALL - Emma Caroline Margaret - aged 87 years [bc 1858 ]
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PapersPast :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz
"Evening Post" (Wellington) - 9 March 1945 - page 1 - DEATHS
(Extract)
DARTNALL - on 9 March 1945 at her residence 20 Fitzherbert Tce, Emma Caroline Margaret, widow of late Arthur DARTNELL and b/l mother of Gertrude and Daphne ROBINSON ....
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... blah ! .. a typo (sorry) in previous post ... late husband was Arthur DARTNALL (not Dartnell). :-[
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Emma Caroline Margaret DARTNALL was buried at Havelock North Cemetery (Hawke's Bay District) with her husband Arthur DARTNALL. There is a headstone photo at the following link (Hastings District Council website).
http://www.hastingsdc.govt.nz/cemetery-database
see - DARTNALL - E.C. Margaret
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Hello again
Just looking again at the photo of the YOUNG headstone (Temuka Timaru Cemetery) > link given in earlier post.
It records also the death of "Ann STARK" - aged just 9 years, on 26 May 1879. :'(
** CORRECTION **
Just noticed I'd made an error with cemetery name.
It should have read "Timaru" Cemetery (not Temuka.)
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Hi,
The birthdates of the Young children taken from School Records:
Oliver born 30 August 1872
Lillie born 10 September 1875
Ethel born 19 September 1877 *
* On another school admission birth year has been recorded as 19 August 1876.
The exact dates will need verifying ....sometimes it was an older sibling who gave the details and didn't always get the details right.
Cheers
KHP
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If you go to the following site, you'll find burial info (plus photo of headstone) for the YOUNG family. [Jacob / children, Oliver Jacob / Lilly / ]
http://www.timaru.govt.nz/cemetery-database2.html
~ Lu
Emma YOUNG (formerly PUDNEY / LINDSAY / STARK / JUNG ) :
Strangely, I haven't been able to find Emma listed on either the Timaru Cemeteries database, or the online Death Index (NZ BDM).
She is remembered though on the magnificent headstone at Timaru (see photos).
ILMO Emma, the wife of Jacob YOUNG - died 30 June 1880, aged 39 years.
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And the "Timaru Herald" - 1 July 1880 (page2) and 15 July 1880, has her death notices :
[Search on "J. YOUNG" ]
YOUNG - at Church Street, Timaru on 30 June, the wife of Mr J. YOUNG, aged 39 years.
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Emma and Jacob YOUNG
Three further children were born to Emma and Jacob - this time their births are indexed as YOUNG (rather than JUNG).
1877 - Ethel May YOUNG
1878 - Ernest Edward YOUNG
1880 - Frederick William YOUNG
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Timaru Burials :
YOUNG - Ernest E. - buried 25 February 1879 - aged 4 months
YOUNG - Frederick - buried 25 August 1880 - aged 2 months (9 weeks shown on death index)
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Frederick William YOUNG was born on 22 June 1880 - his mother Emma, died 8 days later. :'(
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After that mighty effort today Lucy, it must be time for a Kit Kat? You have done so well!
Minniehaha. :)
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Jacob YOUNG remarried in 1883 :
NZ Marriage
Jacob YOUNG - Alice Agnes BELDY - 1883
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"Timaru Herald" - 20 January 1883 - page 2
... on 17 January .. Jacob YOUNG to Alice Agnes BELDY, both of Timaru.
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I can't see what became of this wife. She doesn't appear on electoral rolls or the death index.
As Alice Agnes STONYER, she'd previously married in 1870 to another German national, Andreas (Andrew) BELDY. He died in 1876 at Timaru (entered as Andrews BELDY on the cemetery database). Could find no children born of the union.
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Thanks Minnie. :) (I'm very partial to Kit Kats, too. Just can't leave this search alone. ) ;D
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Jacob YOUNG remarried in 1883 :
I can't see what became of this wife. She doesn't appear on electoral rolls or the death index.
Could she have reverted to her maiden name?
The only info I can see on the Kiwi Index is for a Alice Agnes Beldy is for Christchurch in the NZ Gazette 1896, Page 143, and the type was "Notices"
Cheers
KHP
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Hi Mike
... I was hopeful that the name BELDY may have somehow been mistaken for BEGBIE ... but alas, no. And I've been unable to find any connection BEGBIE (BEGBY & var.) to the YOUNG (JUNG) name.
It seems that, although twice married, Oliver Jacob YOUNG (the son), had no children.
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Ethel May YOUNG married in 1900 to a James ALLAN.
"Timaru Herald" - 23 January 1900 - page 2
(Extract)
ALLAN - YOUNG ... on Thursday 18th instant at the Manse ... James ALLAN to Ethel May (Effie), the youngest d/o Mr. J. YOUNG.
The marriage was shortlived - as a Divorce file dated 1902, attests. (She seems not to have teamed up with the co-respondent - he wed someone else in 1904). I've yet to find what became of Ethel May (Effie).
Lily YOUNG died, a spinster, in 1944.
~ Lu
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Jacob YOUNG remarried in 1883 :
I can't see what became of this wife. She doesn't appear on electoral rolls or the death index.
Could she have reverted to her maiden name?
The only info I can see on the Kiwi Index is for a Alice Agnes Beldy is for Christchurch in the NZ Gazette 1896, Page 143, and the type was "Notices"
Cheers
KHP
:) Thanks KHP ... that's interesting, (1896). Will have to dig a bit deeper. ;D
~ Lu
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The following probate records - all processed through the Timaru High Court - are available for viewing at the FamilySearch* website.
NOTE: * There is currently a problem with viewing these at FamilySearch -- please see the separate topic on this board re: the FamilySearch site issues and updates on the situation.
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YOUNG - Jacob - Timaru - Baker -- 1914
YOUNG - Oliver Jacob - Retired Baker - Timaru -- 1962
YOUNG - Lily - Timaru - Spinster -- 1944
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Lucy, Ethel May ALLAN (divorced 1902) may have married again in 1903 to Alexander HENDERSON.
NZ BDM index.
Minniehaha.
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Hi
If you go to the following site, you'll find burial info (plus photo of headstone) for the YOUNG family. [Jacob / children, Oliver Jacob / Lilly / ]
http://www.timaru.govt.nz/cemetery-database2.html
~ Lu
Thanks Lucy 2 - much appreciated ;D
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:)Thanks for input on Young grave - fascinatin ;Dg
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A further snippet from "Papers Past", 'Evening Post' dated 28.12.1911 re: New Zealanders of the Transvaal.
Mention is made of Mr. J. P. Stark- Mayor of Springs.
Other items for J. P. Stark at this website.
Springs at the time of John P Stark being mayor was one of the major gold mining areas outside Johannesburg. At the time a rapidly expanding mining area that was promoted as having a greater industrial future that Johannesburg (but didn't happen that way!) Thanks Minnihaha ;D
Minniehaha. :)
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Hello,
Just thought I would throw this into the mix-
From "Papers Past"- 'Auckland Star', dated 5.8.1897:
THAMES NEWS
Mr. H. P. Stark for many years assayer at the Bank of New South Wales, leaves here for Greymouth, where he will remain for a month and afterwards proceed to a branch in Western Australia.
Because of the initials, & the Thames and Australian connection, maybe he is related to Henry Powning Stark??
Minniehaha.
Confusing! No idea where this HP Stark comes from 'our' Henry Powning had died on 5 July 1870. Wonder if this could be the Henry Stark who arrived aboard the 'Sirocco' on 24 August 1854 (aged 24) in Melbourne having departed Liverpool and who I mistakenly thought was Henry Powning Stark? ???
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Hello again
Just looking again at the photo of the YOUNG headstone (Temuka Cemetery) > link given in earlier post.
It records also the death of "Ann STARK" - aged just 9 years, on 26 May 1879. :'(
Searching the online death index (NZ BDM) I can see no "Ann STARK" 1879 or thereabouts ... but there is the following death :
1879 - STARK - Isabella - aged 9 years
[The date of death for Isabella - deduced from the online index - is 27 May 1879. ]
It would seem to me that Ann STARK (9 years) and Isabella STARK (9 years) - died 26 / 27 May 1879, are one and the same. And my guess is that this child was the daughter of Henry P. and Emma STARK - shown on the NZ birth index (1870) as Isabella Ann Powning STARK.
~ Lu
;D Thanks Lu - think you are dead right - one and the same. great ;)
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Lucy, Ethel May ALLAN (divorced 1902) may have married again in 1903 to Alexander HENDERSON.
NZ BDM index.
Minniehaha.
Cheers, Minnie. :) I think you're right. ;)
I've already checked out this couple, they seem to have been at Timaru for a time. (Also stumbled across one of their daughters who'd married into an un-related YOUNG family. :D )
The husband Alexander, appears to have been an undertaker - his wife was widowed by 1946.
But death listings for an Ethel / Ethel May, don't stack up ... no obvious re-marriage ... can't find them on cemetery records. [ Grrr ! ]
I'll take another look for them when time permits.
~ Lu
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Hi Lucy,
I would agree that there is nothing obvious in the death index which matches Ethel May.
There is an item in "Papers Past" from the Ashburton Guardian' dated 19.3.1920 headed 'MAGISTERIAL' which links Alexander (undertaker) and 'his wife Ethel'.
Minniehaha. :)
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From the NZ BMD index, these children could be those born to Ethel May (formerly ALLAN) & Alexander HENDERSON.
1903, Bernard Alfred Theodore.
1905, Anita Eileen Allan.
1907, Mura Nui Tana.
1909, William Allan.
1911, Elizabeth Smith.
1913, Alexander.
If the correct family, I am a little puzzled however by the inclusion of the name of Allan as a Christian name, this being the name of Ethel's former husband from whom she was divorced.
Minniehaha.
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From the NZ BMD index, these children could be those born to Ethel May (formerly ALLAN) & Alexander HENDERSON.
1903, Bernard Alfred Theodore.
1905, Anita Eileen Allan.
1907, Mura Nui Tana.
1909, William Allan.
1911, Elizabeth Smith.
1913, Alexander.
If the correct family, I am a little puzzled however by the inclusion of the name of Allan as a Christian name, this being the name of Ethel's former husband from whom she was divorced.
Minniehaha.
If Lucy or Minniehaha feel like a life change - they would make any police force proud as 'investigative pathologists' - thanks both for all input on Henry Powning Stark. :) Clarification realised on a number of family issues. Family lore had it that there were always some blood relatives in NZ of HP Stark. However the only sibling was sister Isabella Ann who died at the age of nine- final. The pic in my possession probably taken around 1930/40 and captioned 'John Stark's mother and step sisters' with the names 'Gertrude', 'Mother', 'Lillian' and 'myself' is I am sure of Emma Caroline Margaret (Lindsay) (1885 - 1945) who married Charles Robinson. As you found her daughters were Lillian Maude (1876), Gertrude Robinson (1878)"myself" either Constance (1882) or Mildred Daphne (1884). My wife's mother corresponded with a Lillian Begbie (Bigbie/Begby). I think Lillian Robinson and Lillian 'Begbie' could be one and the same. Your thoughts? thanks for all ;D Mike Oops having looked again at the dates - now think I am wrong - perhaps I'l have an early night ???
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Hello,
To be honest I have not looked at these threads for a couple of weeks so have lost the story somewhat, but looking at the last post with comments about Lillian Maude b. 1876, I have found the following:
Lillian Maude ROBINSON married James Atkinson FRYER, 1899.
Death of Lillian Maude FRYER 1943, aged 67 therefore Y.O.B. about 1876.
No trace of a Lillian Maude Begbie/Bigbie.
Minniehaha. :)
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I came across this thread while investigating my Fryer/Robinson connections and thought you might like this photo of Emma Pudney - taken at Timaru.
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Also, can you tell me whether this is John Powning Stark. No-one in the family seems sure who it is or how he fits in, but it's labelled Uncle Jack South Africa, which suggests that it could be John.
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Thank you Sally for the two photographs particularly that of Emma Pudney. I would be interested to know which 'lines' you are pursuing. briefly, in case you don't know - Henry Stark was married to Emma, their son John Powning Stark (B 15 march 1868) is my wife's grandfather. He arrived in South Africa around 1896 from NZ. in 1898 he settled in Springs, a then gold mining town east of Johannesburg. The pic you have of him in military uniform was taken probably between 1899 - 1902 when he served in the Imperial Transport Company in Newcastle, Natal during the Anglo-Boer War. He was a successful (and well connected) businessman in Springs from 1903. He had a number of agencies serving the gold industry. He owned a number of farms and properties. The real estate company bearing his name still operates in springs.
29 December 1904 he married Christina Staude. A daughter Joan Powning was born 10 November 1911. He was mayor of Springs on two occasions. He died on his farm 'Kia Ora' in the Olifantsfontein district of the then Transvaal on 3 November 1950.
Joan corresponded with a Mrs G Begbie of Auckland they were in some way related to the Stark family - any connection? My wife (then Stella Pithey) met a Gertrude Begbie in Auckland in the late 60's. Thanks for your input :) I have a pic of the Begbie ladies if interested. regards Mike Blizzard
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My connection to the Robinsons etc. is actually very slight: James Atkinson Fryer who married Lillian Maude Robinson was my great-great uncle.
Some time back I managed to contact a descendant of James and Lillian in Tasmania, and she kindly sent a number of photos of both the Fryer and Robinson/Pudney sides of the family.
In some of photos the people weren't identified, which is why I started to investigate the family. This thread has been particularly helpful, so thank you.
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How are you related
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I also have lots of information of David young and family from Timaru, The hendersons from karitane /Timaru and Dunediun and the Allan family please get in contact if you would like any info
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I am Emma Smith daughter of bernard john henderson son of bernard alfred theodore henderson son of ethel may Henderson. bernard John and David young timaru are cousins. i have lots of history and knowledge of this family as my father still alive
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I am happy to be contacted about any info for bernard alfred theodore henderson nz phone (Removed) I am a grand daughter. I have his son (my father) living with me and have lots of family knowledge including about the young family of Timaru. Mura was named by local maori whom delivered her during a storm when Ethel was unable to get to hospital etc lots of info please contact if need. Regards Emma :D
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Hi Bennydog
You've replied on an old topic and the people who previously posted here haven't been online recently.
Although they should get an email notification that you have posted, they might have missed it so I will ask the moderator for this board to send them a personal message.
Dawn