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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Orkney => Topic started by: mum1boys2 on Thursday 04 April 13 08:22 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find David Pitcairn Sabiston's parents.
David was baptised 17th july1830 and came to New Zealand abt 1874.
I have names of his parents but I didn't write down where I got that info from so I can't check for more detail. I have learnt that lesson.
James Sabiston
Barbara Bews
Any further help would be very much appreciated.
Thanks Kim
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Hi Kim,
Had a quick look at the website www.freecen.org.uk. and found David Sabiston listed on Orkney age 10 living with :
James Sabiston age 50 Agric. Labourer born Orkney
Barbara Sabiston age 45 Born Orkney
Margaret Sabiston age 10 born Orkney
James Sabiston age 5 "
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Sorry Kim pressed to post reply by mistake ;D.
Anyway the Sabiston's also have another daughter listed.
Jean age 2 born on Orkney.
The ages of people on the 1841 are not always reliable (as are the ages I suppose on any Census) but I believe in the 1841 ages were sometimes rounded up or down to the nearest 5 or 0.
The family's address is the Township of Gorseness.
On the same website a search also finds the family in 1851.
David and James jnr are not listed. But Barbara is listed and there is a note :D that her maiden names is Bews !!
The site I checked is a free to view site ;D
Good luck with your research.
Looby
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Thank you for the quick check and link. :) I will check the link, Might help with other families too.
A few more names to add.
It helps when they do sensible things like maiden names.
Thanks
Kim
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Yeah...to be honest I've not came across a lot of maiden names recorded in the Censuses. ;D
By the way, looked for David on 1851 Scotlands People Census as I wondered if Freecen's 1851 was completely transcribed and I couldn't find him on it either.
Looks like he was either missed by census/ his name was misspelled completely/ he had already left Scotland.
Looby
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Forgot to say,
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk -it's a pay to view site.
Check the pre- 1855 Birth Baptisms, think David might be recorded and you would be able to view original ledger online.
Looby
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There is a David Sabiston age 20 listed in the 1851 census at Graemsay
1851, Graemsay, District: 4, Property No: 43 - South Clates
1,Hugh,Lyon,Head,Mar,M,34,Fisherman,Graemsay
2,Isabella,Lyon,Wife,Mar,F,29,,Graemsay
3,Hugh,Lyon,Son,,M,1,,Graemsay
4,David,Sabiston,Visitor,S,M,20,Shoemaker,Rendall
Gorseness is in Rendall so this would fit.
Orkney Family History Society is an excellent source of information www.orkneyfhs.co.uk
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Thank you. I will check those sites tonight :)
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Kim, have you tried, http://www.cursiter.com/
Skoosh.
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James and Barbara were married in Kirkwall 30/11/1820, they had 7 children: David born 1825, David Pitcairn born 1830, James 1833, Jane 1838, Margaret 1828, William 1826 and William again in 1835, the first William must have died, the first David must also have died so they named the second one David Pitcairn? ( these births are all on Scotlands People ) looks like Barbara is still alive on the 1871 census at Brake/Breck in Rendall, but I have found another James Sabiston married to Barbara Craigie from Rousay who are both a similar age to your James and Barbara, and living in the same general area so easy to get them mixed up on the census info ::)
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Thank you for all your help. :)
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Hi,
Did David Sabiston move to the North of England prior to his emigration?
I have found a David Sabiston living at Bedlington, Northumberland in both 1861 and 1871 England Census.
1871
David Sabiston aged 40 born Scotland
Isabella Sabiston aged 10 born Bedlington, Northhumberland
David Sabiston aged 7 born " "
Mary Sabiston aged 3 born " "
Info on 1861 on www.familysearch.org does not give other family members in the houshold
David aged 30 no birthplace recorded
But there is a Jane Sabiston aged 32 no birthplace recorded in Bedlington (his wife?).
And three girls : Elizabeth aged 7 birthplace unrecorded
Jane aged 2 birthplace Bedlington
Isabella aged 0 birthplace "
Looks like a family! And it looks as if Jane is gone by 1871?
No occupations are given on the website but I've been to that area of Northumberland and have driven through Bedlington and I think coal was a huge industry there. So this David was probably a miner??
Maybe you have this info already...and maybe it's not your David....apologies if that is the case.
Looby
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BAPTISMS/Birth date also if shown;
SABISTON;
Evie Church, Evie, Orkney Isles;
DAVID, 03 April 1825 (23 Feb 1825)
WILLIAM, 01 October 1826
MARGARET, 10 March 1828
DAVID PITCAIRN, 17 July 1830 (28 June 1830)
JAMES, 13 October 1833 (29 Aug 1833)
JANE, 10 November 1828
Parents James SABISTON and Barbara BEWS
(Source FreeREG, www.freereg.org.uk)
1851 a bit strange on Anc Site;
James Sebiston, 60, Farmer employing 2 Labourers, born Evie
Barbra Bewsor Sebiston, 55, Wife, born Holme
Bews Sebiston, 55, Wife, born Holme
Margret Sebiston, 23, Daug, born Randall
Jean Sebiston, 12, Daug , born Rendell''Barbara Bews Sabiston has been listed twice
So James born c 1791 and Barbara c 1796
James SABISTON Baptised 11 ** 1791, Evie Chrch, Evie, to WILLIAM/CHRISTIAN nee BROWN
William SABISTON Married Christian BROWN, 16 Dec 1785 Evie Church
Barb BEWS Baptised 13 September 1796, Holm and Paplay Church, Holm to DAD/ISOB, nee GREEN
( I presume David/Isobel)
( All on FreeREG)
Trish :)
If David/Barbara Married 1820 there may be other Children born c 1821-1824 not yet found.
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1871 has David as Married but occp is hard to read (brakeman).
1861 David is born c 1831 Orkney Island and Jane (Wife) c 1829 Orkney Island , Davids occp is Stoker to a Colliery Engine.
Ist Child Elizabeth is born Orkney 1854
Marriage from Familysearch.Org;
David SABISTON
Jane HOWRIE
20 July 1852, Evie and Rendall, Orkney, Scotland
Marriage can be checked on Scotlandspeople.
Trish :)
EDIT Jane Sabiston born c 1829 Island, Orkney, Married, Enginemans Wife, is a Patient in a Hospital in Northumberland.
I had to go back 12 pages to find she is in the Northumberland County Lunatic Asylum.
Address, Esat Cottingwood, Morpeth
She may not be a Luntic (as she is described) maybe just had a breakdown after Childbirth or a Childs Death.
Children;
ELIZABETH 1854 Orkney
JANE 1859 Bedlington, Northumberland
DAVID 1864 Bedlington
MARY 1866 Bedlington
DAVID Snr disappears from Census after the 1871 (gone to NZ?) but JANE appears in 1881 as a Charwoman, down as Mar, with DAVID 1864 and MARY B 1868
(you can see this on Familysearch.Org)
Mary seems to have her Birth Reg June 1867 Morpeth as Mary Brown Sabiston (this fits with info found earlier)
NZ BMD has a Death Reg for a David Sabiston age 60 in 1889
ISABELLA 1860 Bedlington
Trish :)
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The PITCAIRN may come from Janes side of the Family;
David Pitcairn HOURIE Baptised 30 Jan 1831 Evie Church to WILLIAM/JANE nee MARWICK
1851 Census
Breakerhouse, Evie, Orkney
Evie/2/9/20
William HOURIE, 48, Head, Mar, Ag Lab, born St Andrews
Jane, 62, Wife, born Harray
JANE, 22, Daug, Dressmaker, born Evie
David, 20, Son, Wright, born Evie
1841 we have;
William Hourie 35
Jean Hourie 45
John Hourie 14
Jean Hourie 12
David Hourie 10
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Wow, Thanks Trish and looby.
Looby, That is my David and some of it I had and some I didn't but every little bit helps :)
Trish, lots of bits there, Yes David came to New Zealand about 1874 (with another wife). I found that marriage. Elizabeth Cook in 1873. They had one son here in New Zealand, William, and it is him that my husband is related too.
Thanks again,
Kim
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Your welcome :)
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Just an interesting postnote to David Pitcairn Sabiston's story.
I thought it strange that both he and a brother of Jane Hourie's shared the same middle name Pitcairn. Keying Pitcairn into the forenames on Familysearch threw up a good dozen David Pitcairn's being born to various couples in the 1830's in Evie and Rendall district with the odd Jane/Isabella/Thomas etc.
Turns out the Minister of Evie and Rendall during the 1830's and early 1840's was a Rev David Pitcairn (1788 -1870 born in Edinburgh). He must have been a fine and popular man for his parishioners to call their children after him :D.... or maybe the devout locals were keeping on the right side of him!!
Looby
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Excellent find Looby :)
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Thank you Trish....I believe I am morphing into Miss Marple ;D ;D ... better her than Hercule Poirot I suppose!
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:) ;D
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David Pitcairn Sabiston is one of my husbands ancestors, Its interesting to know the origins of the middle name.
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Looking for more info re Thomas Sabiston & Ann Gorie parents of David Sabiston born Jan 25, 1736 Holm & Paplay near Kirkwall Orkney? Trish you were very helpful to another beginner :) Thanks in advance
The spelling of last name changes when I research back this far
David Sabiston
davesabiston450@comcast.net