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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Peeblesshire => Topic started by: marybeth44 on Monday 08 April 13 10:26 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I wonder if someone can help? I have found my ancestor Alexander Horsburgh b. abt 1536 appears to be married to Christian d/o William Stewart and Christian Hay. I have found no proof of this except an piece talken from a document called the Peebles Protocols
This piece makes reference to Christian's mother Lady Traquair and her brother John paying 100 merks of the tocher.
"In February, 1552, there is recorded a contract of marriage between Alexander Horsbruk of that Ilk, John and Robert Horsburgh, his brothers, and Janet and Christian, his sisters, on the one part, and Christian Hay, Lady Traquair, and John Stewart, her son, on the other part, in which Lady Traquair acknowledges that she is due to the said Alexander Horsbruk one hundred merks of the tocher promised to him with Christian Stewart, her daughter, and 20 pounds to his brothers and sisters. [Peebles Protocols.]. "
Does anyone know where to find these documents or know about this marriage.
Hoping someone can help.
Thank you,
Marybeth44
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don't know if there is any connection but there is a Traquair House, owned by the Maxwell- Stewart (Stuart)family just outside Peebles, in the Scottish Borders. They may have something in the family archives.
See also nearby Horsburgh Castle, there may be a name connection there?
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Any connection between your Horsburghs and a place similar to Harcass/Harckass/Herkers in Eddilston?
S_L
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Thank you Mrs A for your answer. We do have a connection to both places, and I have finally found that there is some info at the National Archives of Scotland. My nephew is going up there soon so he is going to do the searching.
Thank you again
Marybeth44
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Hi S L,
I don't know the name Harcass but I know Edleston is near the area and mentioned in some of the old documents. Wikki has an article on Edelston too.
Happy hunting
Regards,
Marybeth
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Only mentioned it as there are items listed in the National Register of Archives, the catalogue for which is separate from the National Archives of Scotland catalogue but both can be found on the same website.
Happy hunting.
S_L
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Only mentioned it as there are items listed in the National Register of Archives, the catalogue for which is separate from the National Archives of Scotland catalogue but both can be found on the same website.
Happy hunting.
S_L
Thanks for your interest S L I'' follow that up.
Marybeth44
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Does anyone know where to find these documents or know about this marriage.
Traquair house has an archivist. I do not know whether she is full time or part time though. Maybe an idea to contact her.
Horsburghs a pretty common family name in Traquair, and theres a few Horsburghs buried in Traquair kirk who were alive in the 1600s.
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Thank you all who responded to this post. I'm happy to say my nephew was able to get a photocopy of the marriage contract and we are awaiting a friend translating it for us (it's in old scottish)
We do know tho' that it proves Christian was a daughter of that Stewart family and married Alexander Horsburgh.
Thanks again,
Marybeth44
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amazing that you've managed to trace your family so far back!
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amazing that you've managed to trace your family so far back!
The Horsburghs were a prominant family in that part of the Scottish Borders. They build http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nether_Horsburgh_Castle amongst others, which according to that article, they sold to Sir Robert Stewart of Shillingshaws.
What connecting Alexander Horsburgh has to this is not my guess.
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Hi mrs a,
Yes we g
have been fortunate that because they were a prominent family we have been able to trace them even further on their maternal sides thro' Christian Horsburgh nee Stewart and Jean Horsburgh nee Riddell, but the actual Horsburgh/Horsbruik family are traceable for only a few more generations back.
This is the only side of my family that I can trace back that far :(
Regards,
Marybeth44
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Dear Marybeth,
I first saw your post about this midway through last year and something made me revisit it today.
Congratulations to your nephew on finding the marriage contract.
I was wondering if if would be possible to either to obtain a copy of the marriage contract from you or details of the reference in order to get my own copy from the National Archives of Scotland? There would be quite a few Horsburgh descendants, myself included, with an interest in this, and I would be willing to make a contribution, both towards getting a copy and towards the translation. Although I'm not sure how that would be achieved when we're not supposed to exchange email addresses? However, I imagine with a reference it would probably save the archives staff time/make it much easier to retrieve the same information.
Kind regards,
Lesley Frances Williams (daughter of Norma Horsburgh)
Melbourne, Australia
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Dear Lesley,
I will refer you to my nephew as he would have all the details. I do have a copy but don't like to forward it to you myself as he paid for it. It is in old scots and at present I think we are still waiting on Malcolm Horsburgh translating it.
Can I send you a private message ? Also what part of the family are you from as we maybe able to help on another. I have an ancestry tree which I am happy to ivite you to if you like.
regards,
Marybeth
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Hi Mary,
My name is Carl Matchett. My mother is Heather Horsburgh.
I am a descendant of James Horsburgh.
Birth 18 Apr 1817 in PARISH OF DALKEITH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Death 30 May 1886 in Bailieston, Vic, Australia.
James married Margaret Henderson
1838 23 April
New Greyfriars Church Edinburgh, Scotland.
James was also a descendant of Alexander Horsburgh and Christian Stewart.
Is there any chance you can share the document around their marriage? I to had wanted to see proof of this relationship.
Happy to share what I have on Horsburgh family in Australia.
Kind Regards,
Carl Matchett
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Hi Carl,
I have sent you the contract in 4 parts. It's fairly illegible but you may be able to make head or tail of it.
We have been in touch before and I have access to your Ancestry tree as you have to mine.
Nice to hear from you again,
Mary
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My mother is Doris Horsburgh born in Glasgow 79yrs old today. We live in Caanda. Her mother was Mary Horsburgh and dad Joseph Horsburgh. Hope this helps. Bryan