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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Belfast Gail on Saturday 18 May 13 15:24 BST (UK)
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I'm hoping for help, please - I've ground to a halt. :)
David Mack was born circa 1797 and died 29 Feb 1864. He married Margaret McCall in Lisburn in Sept 1828. They produced 8 children (6 boys and 2 girls), one of whom was Hugh, my husband's great x2 grandfather. David was a woollen merchant in Market Square in Lisburn.
I would love to track down David's parents but am having some difficulty. Any help or suggestions would be enormously welcome.
Thank you in advance.
Gail
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an interesting Griffiths valuation from 1862. Tenant David Mack , Landlord Hugh Mcall,Barony Massereene upper,Union Lisburn, Parish BLARIS, Townland Old Warren, Market Square.
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There's a grave at Kilrush Cemetery mentions a David Mack with his father as David Mack senior.
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Thank you both so much.
Dathai - that's very interesting: I believe David Mack's brother-in-law was Hugh McCall so am assuming this is the right connection.
And Gaffy - you've certainly given me something to think about! I wasn't aware of even the possibility of a County Clare connection. (I'm assuming that's where you meant - forgive me, but I had to Google 'Kilrush' :)) I need to go back to my husband's family for a team huddle!
I'm grateful to you both.
Gail
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Kilrush Graveyard is in Lisburn-
http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Kilrush%20Cemetery
http://lisburnfamilyhistory.org.uk/publications_1.htm
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have you seen his will from 1864 beneficiaries were James Alexander Mack ,Hugh Mack of Belfast and William Mack of Lisburn all Drapers.
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Hi Gail
All entries from Derriaghy Parish Church registers
Robert Mack was a witness to the marriage of William John Hull [Derriaghy] and Charlotte Morrow [Legmore] on the 28 January 1871 at Derriaghy Parish Church, Lisburn
Date of Baptism 26/9/1875
Date of Birth 14/7/1875
Child Mary
Parents Hugh & Amelia Mack from Derriaghy sponsor Anne J Corbett
Date of baptism 17/4/1872
Date of birth 16/1/1872
Child James
Parents Robert Christian & Mary Jane Mack
Private baptism
Date of baptism 31/5/1874
Date of birth 13/4/1874
Child Agnes
Parents Hugh & Amelia Mack from Derriaghy
Sponsors William Hogan?, James Corbett, Amelia Mack
Maggie
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LOL Aghadowey ::) How come I couldn't figure out Kilrush was in Lisburn! What a plonker!
I am completely overwhelmed by everyone's contributions, all of which dovetail perfectly with information I have already.
I am so, so grateful.
Thank you all.
Gail :D
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Gail,
Belfast - Lisburn - Woolen Goods - 1800s ...
Click, click, click, click!
Matches with the research I do on the WHITTLE family of Glenavy/Belfast.
Can't help you with your immediate goal (David MACK's ancestors), but can open your awareness up to the rich trading history surrounding the family, and especially the cultural/political influence of the McCALLs, in the Lisburn of the 19thC.
Would you like the (extensive) gathered details deposited here or via PMs?
Capt. Jock
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Aye, aye Capt Jock!
I would love to learn more, if I'm not putting you to too much trouble.
If you are happy to deposit details here, that would be great - it means they're in the public domain if anyone else is interested.
I look forward very much to hearing from you in due course.
Thank you for getting in touch.
Gail
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Gail,
Great. Lets sink the nets deep and trawl the depths!
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Info on MACK will follow soon.
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The COLBERT name is famous in (French) Protestant history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Colbert
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~culbert/colbert.htm
Enjoy!
Capt. Jock
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Fascinating stuff, Capt Jock; thank you.
The earliest Colbert we have to date, is William - we believe he arrived in Waterford from France, in 1690, ironically to escape religious persecution - who'd have thought Ireland was a sensible alternative!!
You've certainly given us something to think about - many thanks.
Gail
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I am very late entering this conversation and may be of little help!
My great great grandmother was Sarah Gilbert (1828-1910), daughter of William Gilbert a prominent Belfast jeweller and silversmith. Sarah married Rev Samuel Mateer.
Sarah's younger sister was Emma Gilbert (2 Oct 1839 - 6 Jan 1866) who was the first wife of Hugh Mack. They had 2 daughters, Emma Laura Mack (b1863) and Alice Gilbert Mack (b1865) but Emma died when they were very young. I understood from my grandmother (1893-1973) that the 2 sisters lived together in Eglantine Ave, Belfast, they never married and were rather eccentric.
Family information I have relates to Gilberts and not Macks.
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For reference-
Mack Alice Gilbert of 4 Eglantine Gardens Belfast spinster died 12 June 1948 at 39 Malone Road Belfast Probate Belfast 17 December to Hubert George Montgomery Mack and Cyril Hugh Mack company directors. Effects £5065 6s. 4d.
Looks like Emma might have moved?
Mack, Emma Laura of 71 Eglantine Avenue Belfast spinster died 20 January 1963 Probate Belfast 26 April to Cyril Hugh Mack merchant. Effects £4598 16s.
Probate of the Will of Hugh Mack late of Dalboyne, Lisburn, Co. Antrim, Knight, who died 11 September 1920 granted at Belfast 7 February 1921 to David Mack, 55 Eglantine Avenue, Belfast, James Mack, Parkmount, Lisburn and Hubert Mack, Dalboyne, Lisburn, all Warehousemen. Effects: £22,717 6s 0d.
Mack, David of 55 Eglantine Avenue and of 3 Windsor Avenue North and of 19/21 Donegall Street all in Belfast company director died 3 March 1959 at Musgrave Clinic Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Probate Belfast 6 January to Cyril Hugh Mack company director. Effects £16427 19s. 2d.
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Thanks. Do you have the actual date of birth of Alice Gilbert Mack in 1865. Her mother died on 6 January 1866 and I wonder if it was related to childbirth?
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Alice Mack's birth registration is online- born 25 Dec.1865:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03545/2304944.pdf
Mother's death will eventually be available on same site (death imaged back to 1878 at the moment, I think) and you will be able to see cause of death.
Emma Laura Mack born 21 Mar.1864-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03619/2335883.pdf
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Hi hmstew
It's great to hear from you!
The elderly sisters are not directly related to my husband, being the product of Hugh Mack's first marriage, and having had no children of their own. My husband is Hugh's gg-grandson, and my father-in-law remembers fondly the elderly maiden aunts. He can recall seeing them at family gatherings at David Mack's (their half brother) house on Windsor Avenue. My father-in-law says he was amazed by their longevity, Emma in particular, given both of them were heavy smokers and enjoyed a sherry or two! And it was sherry, specifically. They apparently did not have a house of their own, preferring instead to live in a guest house.
I, too, have wondered if their mother died in or shortly after childbirth - the website Aghadowey mentions may be able to enlighten us, in due course.
Thanks for responding!
Gail
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Hi Gail,
Alice was born on 25/12/1865 and her mother died on 6/01/1866 when she was just 12 days old, so almost certainly related to childbirth - maybe the reason neither of the daughters had a family. As you say, both lived well, Emma being almost 100 when she died.
Is your husband in Cyril Mack's line?
Helen
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Hi Helen
Cyril is my husband's grandfather. Cyril had 2 sons, Desmond & Terence. Terence is my husband's dad.
We think Terence may have death certs for the 2 sisters - would you be interested in seeing them?
Gail
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Hi Gail,
That would be interesting if it's not too much trouble.
Helen
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I will ask Terence to look them out for me.
Gail
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Here is a link to the work of John Daly, Dublin and likely India.
http://www.leopardantiques.com/object/stock/detail/602
He is the brother of Richard Daly the actor and theatre manager.
Another brother, William, married an Ann Penelope Gilbert, and some of his children were silversmiths in London in the late 1700s.
The Gilberts were silversmiths in London since the 1600s.
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Thank you so much, Greg - that's really interesting. I have just looked up Richard Daly, and he seems to have been quite a character.
I'm curious, though - how have you made the Gilbert-Mack connection?
My husband's gggrandfather, Hugh Mack, married Emma Gilbert in 1863, and they had 2 daughters: Alice Gilbert Mack & Emma Laura Mack. The two girls never married. Emma Senior's father was William Gilbert, married to Martha someone.
Would it be a lot of trouble for you to help me join up these Gilberts with the Dalys? Or could you point me in the right direction?
Thank you so much for getting in touch.
Gail
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Hi Greg,
Further to Gail's comments, William Gilbert (1805-1890) whose wife was called Martha, was a silversmith, watchmaker and jeweller at High St and Donegall Sq, Belfast. I know about all his descendants, including one of his daughters Sarah Gilbert, who was my great great grandmother (and sister of Emma Gilbert mentioned by Gail).
I know that William's mother was called Sarah, born 1781. I'm pretty certain William had brothers James, born 1808 and Edward, born c1814. I don't know anything about these 2, except that both died in their 30s.
As far as I know, all these Gilberts remained in Belfast and I'm not aware of Ann Penelope Gilbert or a connection to London, so like Gail, I'm interested to know what connection you have made.
Helen
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I just found out that John Daly was a silversmith this week, so it pulls a lot of things together. I haven't connected the Mack's and the Daly's, but the name is familiar, I just can't remember why. Here is a good site showing there were Gilbert silversmiths in Dublin. I believe the Gray's were connected too.
https://www.silvermakersmarks.co.uk/Makers/Dublin-FI.html#G
Here is another good site. Search by silversmith and Gilbert and you will see three. My comment that the Gilbert's were silversmith's in London since the 1600s stems from a newspaper article that references a Charles Gilbert being charged for shortchanging a customer. Silversmith is a specialized field, so we are lucky from a research perspective. But, naturally, they also tended to be pawnbrokers, so its not unusual that there were disputes.
https://www.londonlives.org/index.jsp
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Much appreciated, Greg. Thank you. I shall pick my father-in-law's brains next time I see him. He is elderly now himself but he does remember the two 'maiden aunts' very well. If there's anything of note he can share, I will, of course, be in touch.
Thank you again.
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Hi, just came across your post,
Im also searching for Macks .... Im struggling a little with this side of my family.
My Great Granda was Robert Mack , he married Elizabeth Eleanor McWilliams in Christ Church Lisburn on the 12th July 1899 .... The record states that Robert Mack father was also called Robert Mack but thats as far as i can get.
I cant find a birth record for Robert who married Elizabeth in 1899 , they went on to have 9 sons the boys names were , Robert , Hugh , William, George, James, Henry, Samuel, Thomas and Albert.
Do any of these names ring any bells with anyone ???
The boys were all Baptised in Christ Church Derryaghy Lisburn ..... Another name that has come up is Mary J Mack 1871 ????
Begging for help with this search
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
My Great Granda was Robert Mack , he married Elizabeth Eleanor McWilliams in Christ Church Lisburn on the 12th July 1899 .... The record states that Robert Mack father was also called Robert Mack but thats as far as i can get.
I cant find a birth record for Robert who married Elizabeth in 1899 , they went on to have 9 sons the boys names were , Robert , Hugh , William, George, James, Henry, Samuel, Thomas and Albert.
Just linking the marriage record of 1899.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10387/5782158.pdf
KG
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1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Derryaghey/Derryaghey/996868/
1911 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Derryaghy/Kilmakee/197346/
KG
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Thanks for your reply, yes that the family , I have all those records it’s his birth record that I can’t find ... there is a birth record for a Robert Mack 1873 Belfast but it’s not the same Robert Mack .
Thanks
Linden
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Thanks for your reply, yes that the family , I have all those records it’s his birth record that I can’t find ... there is a birth record for a Robert Mack 1873 Belfast but it’s not the same Robert Mack .
Thanks
Linden
In 1911 Robert's age is 36 (c1875) and in 1901 he's age 30 (born c1871) so you might be searching too narrow a timeframe for birth record. Robert's father listed as miller on marriage certificate but that might not be his occupation on Robert's birth certificate.