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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: Ayashi on Friday 02 August 13 23:10 BST (UK)
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I'm revisiting my Westmorland ancestors and starting to remember why I gave up in the first place ::)
I know the coverage online is dire... unless I've missed any good sites! So I'm posting in the hope that someone can help me or advise me on where to find these things, if they can be found without travelling all the way to the RO (which I can't).
At the moment I have George GLOVER (no conclusive dates, poss 1766-1818) and Martha BAINBRIDGE (poss 1764), married 19 Nov 1797, Appleby (if the correct Martha... only seen on marriage!), two known children George 1802 and Mary 1804, both Kendal. The only christening I have yet seen that might be George Snr is one that is Roman Catholic, but there's no hint of that elsewhere in the family. The key will probably be any information on the marriage (I've not had much luck with that recently in any side of the family!) and if any children before George can be found ???
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks.
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Neither of these surnames is particularly common in Westmorland so that should make searching easier. I always found the Carlisle record office very helpful and I have never been there. You can always ask them to copy and send relevant parts of documents to you.
It is true that parish registers for Westmorland aren't generally available online but there are a few available via google books or the internet archive. The edenlinks site is really useful and makes available the 18th century census for Westmorland.
I have no specific information about your query but there are Glovers from outside who are marrying in Westmorland by licence in the 18th century.
regards
Deborah
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Thank you. I'll have a look at Carlisle.
Slightly confused about what 18th Century censuses are... I was of the understanding that anything pre-1841 was, for genealogy purposes, useless... unless Westmorland had their own system?
~Edit- just found reference to the "census of 1787", which sounds nice ;D I've found a few Bainbridges on it (no Martha...) but no Glovers...
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Greetings AYASHI
I have a large database on the appleby area and do not have either of your people
but Bainbridge and all its various ways of spelling is a very large family but no Martha
Do not go to Carlisle they will only send you to Kendal. The 1787 census will cover a major part of Westmorland bu some around Appleby is missing, The only Glovers I have for Appleby are Modern
If you want the Bainbridges I have send me a PM with your e:mail and I will Pass them on
Regards
Westmorland
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Hi
Just looked up 1841 census
only one George Glover, Docker Hall Kendal b1803
wife Hannah b 1805
Jane 1830
Martha 1833
Alexander 1835
Ellen 1837
There is no Martha Bainbridge in the county of westmorland and the only martha Glover
is the one above
Hope it helps and if you already have this sorry
regard
westmorland
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Thank you Westmoreland, I do have the census but I appreciate the effort. It is George's parents that I'd got stuck on. I think I might have to accept that this one has come to a halt.
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My direct matrilineal line goes back to Hannah Glover, born c1769, who seems to be the sister of your ancestor George. Their parents seem to be John and Margaret Glover (maiden name unknown). I know Hannah married Thomas Storey in 1793 and died in 1850. There was also another baptism record for a Margaret who seems to be the daughter of John and Margaret as well.
Stephen :)
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Thanks for your reply :) I believe I found those children on John and Margaret (that being the Catholic christening mentioned in my original post) but my concern is that I don't have enough evidence to say that that George is my George. I have not looked at this side of the family in some time so I might have to revisit it tomorrow or at the weekend.
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You're welcome.
Stephen :)
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I've been having another look- I did find two christenings before for a George Glover (one with father "Johannis" and the other George) but I suspect the one with father George is an error, either in transcription or the original. I can see three siblings at the moment, Mary (1758-1774) Margaret and Anna (who you say became Hannah?)
Part of the problem for me, aside from being somewhat allergic to the evidence "it's the only one I can find", is that none of the names John, Margaret, Hannah or Anne appear in George's family. To make matters worse, I can only find two children for his marriage to Martha so those names could appear among any missing children.
While researching, I did have a look at James GLOVER and his wife Betty in Kendal. I can't seem to link the two families as yet, but it is interesting to note that George's son named his firstborn son James and I've been unable to find any source for this in the rest of the known family.
(Online Westmorland records aren't too great, are they?)
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Hi
Is there any possibility that your George's parents came from Scotland or Northumberland? All the Glover marriages in the 18th that have diocese of Carlisle licences involve someone from 'North Britain' (and Annandale in particular) or Northumberland. Was there sufficient money for marriage licences to be feasible for the family you are researching?
I mentioned these marriages before. I'm not trying to make facts fit - you may have strong reasons for discounting them and/or may already have the details.
regards
Deborah
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Anything is possible. The problem is that I have very little evidence to support any theory put forward. I can't even prove that he came from the same area, much less if he came from further afield. With regards to money, George worked in the mills and Hannah also worked as a married woman, dying in the Alms houses, so it doesn't sound like they were too well off.
I don't know how much more information I might find in person if I were to look at the Westmorland records. Alas I am still not mobile and remain at the mercy of online records. (~Edit- re-read your earlier advice in the thread about archives offices etc... I'll have to have a proper read of the thread later, its been a while).
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I just had what might either be termed a mini-breakthrough... or a complete nuisance lol!
I just found another child of my George and Martha Glover, not in Kendal, but for some bizarre reason, in Wigan (thanks Shute Barrington?). The most irritating thing is that she is the "second dau" and I can't find the first one ::)
George, according to that record, is "native of Standishgate" although whether he was or not I don't know. Appleby to Wigan to Kendal is quite a trip though, I have to say. My gut feeling at the moment is that the Catholic christening is him, but I still don't feel I've got enough to prove it.
I do now suspect that John and Margaret had a son James 1760 (no christening, my conjecture). Of the children I've found, his first daughter was Peggy and his first son John. He sticks around in Kendal, although his burial and that of his wife were both Presbyterian.