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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Owen ap Anglesey on Friday 09 August 13 18:15 BST (UK)
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Have various documents connecting my family with an Address called "Llety" in Rhoscolyn in the period 1660 to 1871. Infuriatingly a section of Rhoscolyn (including Llety) is missing off the 1861 census records as provided by the "Ancestry web site" where I maintain my family tree.
Recently informed that Ancestry does have a few transcribing errors and omissions for Anglesey in the mid 1800's and indeed have been sent some corrections from an anonymous fellow enthusiast obtained from the web site "Find my Past".
So my plea is - can anyone find the family living at Llety (or sometimes called Llety Mawr, Llety Bach or even LletDu.) in 1861
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I've noticed that both of these sites have the same records for Rhoscolyn in the 1861 census - RG9/4373/Enum. Dist. 5/Pages 1-10/Schedule Nos. 1(Bodior) to 50(Brynteg).
Searching the National Archives online catalogue for RG9/4373 explains the missing addresses.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3102405
A note says "Missing pages: Enumeration district 5: 11-20 (227 persons); Enumeration district 9: 1-2 (? persons)".
Regards
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Thank you dragonT for providing confirmation of the lost section of Rhoscolyn in 1861, I even rang the National Archives just in case they had made an error - but no - part of Rhoscolyn is lost for ever.
Also thanks to Cae Howel for P.M.
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My Rowlands ancestors lived at Llety Bach...John and Margaret, he being born 1781 trewalchmai ?!!!
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Aled 23
Have been aware of the Rowlands family at Llety Bach from the 1841 census, but unable to connect them to my own ancestors. Have also just realised that my initial message had an error - my known connection with Llety is from 1860 to 1871 (and not 1660 to 1871). My apologies.
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I think I may have family that used to live at Llety Bach. I have a Richard Rowlands and a Lewis Rowlands around 1850 to 1900 in the Rhoscolyn area. A son of Lewis, another Richard moved to Llanfachraeth around 1905 ish and I'm his grandson. I have a couple of 2nd cousins living in Valley now. Wonder if anyone has Richard or Lewis documented in Rhoscolyn.
Richard
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The Rowlands family at Llety bach in 1841 as follows,
John Rowlands aged 45
Margaret Rowlands aged 40 - wife
Thomas Rowlands aged 9 - son
Robert Rowlands aged 5 - son
Owen Rowlands aged 3 - son
David Rowlands aged 4 months - son May have died Jan 1843 aged 2
I think that John and Margaret by 1851 are still in Rhoscolyn at a different House called Llethu.
But unable to find the Richard and Lewis Rowlands you mention. Do you have any birth information on these two ?
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Pretty glad to receive your response. Provisionally I have as follows but not convinced that I have it correct.
John Rowland b1796 Trewalchmai - 06/1872 Rhoscolyn m Margaret Williams b1801 d Rhoscolyn
They had at least one child, Edward Rowland b 20/02/1819 Rhoscolyn d 1858 m Sarah Owen b1815 Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn d 13/12/1859 Rhoscolyn.
They had Owen Rowland b 1840 Holyhead, Margaret Rowland b1844 Rhoscolyn and my Great Grandfather Lewis Rowland b1851 Rhoscolyn d10/11/1900, he (Lewis) m (Rhoscolyn 1,5,117 on 18/2/1873) Margaret Jones b1851 d 1914 Four Mile Bridge.
They, Lewis and Margaret had 9 children that I have traced and a possible 10th b 1901. The children are Anne Jane who married a Fred Mawdsley, Edward, John, Mary, Ellen, Lewis, Margaret, sarah and my grandfather Richard Rowlands b 1885 Rhoscolyn d 29/06/1970. He married twice, both Mary Jones's and lived in Bontlwyd, Llanfachraeth, had 7 children inc my dad Lewis b 14/11/1907 at Bontlwyd, Llanfachraeth.
Anything you have will be very appreciated.
RR
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Hi RR,
I've searched transcriptions of Anglesey BMD records for references to your Rowland relatives and found the following. Much of this confirms what you already have but there are some discrepancies.
Children of Edward & Sarah Owen:
Owen Rowland, son of Edward and Sarah Owen, born 19 Nov 1839 - Holyhead
Margaret Jones, dau. of Edward and Sarah Owen, born 13 Dec 1843 - Rhoscolyn
Lewis Jones, son of Edward and Sarah Owen, born 27 Jun 1850 - Rhoscolyn
Edward Rowlands, son of Edward and Sarah Owen, born 11 Nov 1853 - Rhoscolyn
John Rowland, son of Edward and Sarah Owen, born 13 Sep 1856 - Rhoscolyn
(I assume Margaret and Lewis were registered as the children of Edward Jones, he being named Jones patronymically from his father John Rowland).
Deaths:
John Rowland 5 Apr 1868 age 11, at Bont Ry Bont, Rhoscolyn, son of labourer Edward Rowland.
Edward Rowland 6 Dec 1872 age 54, at Bont Ry Bont, Rhoscolyn labourer. Informant Lewis Rowland.
Sarah Rowland 15 Nov 1859 age 44, at Four Mile Bridge, Rhoscolyn, wife of agricultural labourer Edward Rowland. (I believe Bont Ry Bont is Welsh for Four Mile Bridge).
Marriage Lewis Rowland and Margaret Jones:
As you say occurred at Rhoscolyn Parish Church 18 Feb 1873 (Rhoscolyn 1, 59, 117), but Lewis's father is recorded as Rowland Rowland.
There is also a marriage at Llanfair yn Neubwll 21 Nov 1838 which may be the marriage of Sarah Owen and Edward despite Edward being referred to as Edward Williams - which I cannot explain.
The details are:-
Edward Williams (full age, bachelor, labourer) of Penybont, son of John Rowland, labourer married Sarah Owen (full age, spinster) of Cymmuran, dau of Owen Thomas, labourer. Edward and Sarah both signed by mark. Witnesses Owen Thomas (by mark) and David Williams.
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Hi RR...I am a descendant of Robert Jones bc1836 to John Rowlands, ..and I'm from Valley too!!!
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"I think that John and Margaret by 1851 are still in Rhoscolyn at a different House called Llethu"
could this be just a mis-spelling of Lletty?
Who are your ancestors at LLety Owen ap Anglesey??
regards
Aled
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Aled
This is getting interesting again. Months ago I found Rowland Rowland (see previous comment from Dragon T). I was making good progress until I came accross him. Why is he registered as the father as described by Dragon T? I assumed that I was missing something but its good to get confirmation from a second source of this as yet unexplained entry. So that leaves me confirmed with Lewis and Margaret as great grandparents but a doubt about Lewis's father. I have located Lewis in Rhoscolyn Church buried with two of his daughters, Margaret d 16/06/1905 and Ellen d 16/05/1905 at 22 who died young and exactly within one month of each other. All this fits but where does Rowland Rowland fit in? I'm pretty desperate to crack this one since it could open up lots of interesting information, after all there must me living family in Holyhead now and there is a Rowland street there. Aled - is any of this and previously mentioned by me common or familiar to you.
RR PS Thanks to Dragon T for previous information - appreciated.
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Incidentally, Aled or anyone, I have quite a bit of info on Lewis and Margarets children, particularly their descendants mainly for Ann Jane who married Fred Mawdsley and had three children, Mary who married a John Williams - one of their children Annie married Bob Lewis and kept the Garreglwyd home in Holyhead, Lewis married a Jane Jones and had two daughters, Sarah who married Owen Jones and I have quite a lot on that line including living relatives (2 in Valley) and of course lots on Richard my grandfather (1 in Valley now). I have dates of marrige and births and register office ref no's should you need any of it let me know.
RR
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RR
The unfolding of your Rowlands family interests me and one possible new fact being a marriage on 11th December 1818 in Rhoscolyn between a John Rowlands and a Margret Williams, this would tie in with the birth of Edward Rowlands in 1819. The Rowlands Family listed earlier at LletyBach in 1841 and Llethu in 1851 may well be the same family - but I can not prove the fact. Maybe others can.
To Aled. I was also confused by the home called Llethu in 1851, but it is correct as further into the village there is Llety Bach and Llety Mawr.
My own connection with Llety is confirmed on numerous birth and marriage certificates in the period 1860 to 1875 as a Jones family. The infuriating problem being that I can not find them in any census and I'm convinced that the patronymic system is the reason. 1851 shows eight members of a Prichard family at Llety Bach and Llety Mawr - most of these fit in perfectly as my Jones connection later on.
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...one possible new fact being a marriage on 11th December 1818 in Rhoscolyn between a John Rowlands and a Margret Williams, this would tie in with the birth of Edward Rowlands in 1919.
Looking at the baptismal records for Rhoscolyn shows the following who seem to be Edward Rowland(s) and his siblings, which helps link this family to the family at Lletty bach in 1841.
No. 110 - 20 Feb 1819 Edward son of John Rowland, Margaret Williams, Bridge, labourer.
No. 173 - 15 Dec 1822 Mary dau. of John & Margaret Rowlands, Bridge, labourer.
No. 201 - 1 Aug 1824 William [Rowlands] son of John & Margaret Rowlands, Bridge, labourer.
No. 236 - 11 Sep 1826 Elizabeth [Rowlands] dau. of John & Margaret Rowland, Lle??i (unclear), labourer.
No. 263 - 22 Feb 1829 John son of John & Margaret Rowlands, Lletty, labourer.
No. 374 - 1 Jan 1838 Owen son of John & Margaret Rowlands, Lletty, labourer.
Owen's birth was registered - 3 Dec 1837, Owen son of John Rowland & Margaret Williams, Rhoscolyn.
I cannot find Robert Rowland ca. 1835 nor David ca. 1840 but David's death was registered:-
David - 31 Jan 1843, age 2 at Lletty Bach, Rhoscolyn, son of labourer John Rowland. Informant Margaret Rowland, Lletty Bach, Rhoscolyn. The cause of death was whooping cough.
I have checked the birth registrations for the children of Lewis Rowland and Margaret Jones, most confirm the known facts as given by richardemlyn:
Mary, 17 Mar 1877, dau of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Rhoscolyn
John, 16 Oct 1880, son of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Llanynghenedl
Ellen, 27 Feb 1883, dau of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Llanynghenedl
Richard, 12/13 May 1885, son of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Llanynghenedl (for some reason the birth was registered twice with different dob - Llanddeusant 14, 31, 151 and 14, 32, 157).
Margaret, 11 May 1888, dau of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Llanynghenedl
Edward, 27 Apr 1891, son of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Llanynghenedl
Anne Jane, 3 Feb 1894, dau of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Jones - Llanynghenedl
Lewis and Sarah are different. It seems Lewis was born before the marriage of his parents on 18 Feb 1873. His birth was registered as:
Lewis, 29 Dec 1872, son of Margaret Jones - Rhoscolyn. The father's name was not recorded.
The only possible registration for Sarah's birth I have found is:
Sarah, 21 Feb 1875, dau of Lewis Rowlands & Margaret Edwards - Rhoscolyn
I can find the following death registrations which I think are relevant:
Lewis Rowlands - 8 Nov 1900, age 50 - in a field at Penybont, Llanynghenedl, farm labourer. Informant Lewis Rowlands, son, Penygraig, Llanfachraeth.
Margaret Rowlands - 18 Mar 1942, age 91 - Fron Dirion, Four Mile Brdge, Rhoscolyn, widow of farm labourer Lewis Rowlands. Informant R. Rowlands, son.
Margaret Rowlands - 16 Jun 1905, age 17 - Penybont bach, Four Mile Bridge, Llanynghenedl, domestic servant. Informant John Rowlands, brother, same address.
Ellen Rowlands - 16 May 1905, age 22 - Penybont bach, Four Mile Bridge, Llanynghenedl, domestic servant. Informant Lewis Rowlands, brother, Penygraig, Llanfachraeth.
Lewis Rowlands - 10 Feb 1907, age 34 - Jericho, Llanfachraeth, general, labourer. Informant Richard Lewis, brother, Bontlwyd, Llanfachraeth.
John Rowlands - 17 Sep 1914, age 33 - Penybont bach, Four Mile Bridge, Llanynghenedl, farm labourer. Informant Owen Jones, brother-in-law, Caera Cottage, Llanfachraeth.
Edward Rowlands - 27 Apr 1891, age given as 19 hours - Pantbontbach, Llanynghenedl, son of farm labourer Lewis Rowlands. Informant father.
I'm unable to explain the unexpected names found in some of these records - Rowland Rowland instead of Edward Rowland (1873 marriage), Edward Williams instead of Edward Rowland (1838 marriage), Margaret Edwards instead of Margaret Jones (1875 birth) and Jones instead of Rowland (births 1843 and 1850) - but I do not think they are necessarily the wrong records for these events. Some of the factors involved may have been - illiteracy of the participants, patronymic naming, simple misunderstandings/errors or errors in transcription.
Regards
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Dragon T.
The names,dates and addresses you quote are very much in line with what I have but you have included additional material which I did not have and I am appreciative. According to a relative that I have spoken to briefly on the phone this evening, the information regarding the more recent obituaries particularly the address at time of death are known to him as being family addresses. It apprears that we are certainly on the right trail and that you clearly have some expertise in this business!!
I will need now to find time to study all the information.
Thank you
RR
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a witness at JR and MW wedding was a William Roberts...possibly Margarets father?...And there is a john son of Edward Rowlands and Mary Prichard in Trewalchmai 1790!! if I remember correctly
..and I too thank you all for the input as I like mentioned earlier am descended from Robert Jones bc1836 (no record of baptizm has been found but he names his father JR on the marr cert)
regards
Aled
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/7343392/family
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Aled,
I have now been able to write down the part of the tree that is relevant to me i.e John Rowland and Margaret Williams and their 9 children. One of their children, Edward and his wife Sarah and their 5 children. One of Edward and Sarah's children Lewis and his wife Margaret Jones and their 8 children including my grandfather Richard who married a Mary Jones. So I have Great Great Great Grandparents now and all children (unless more turn up) right through to me. Thanks for your input.
So where do you link in? Are John and Margaret ur GGG Grandparents as well - making us cousins of some description? Are you aware of any cousins of yours living in Valley? Last but not least - I'm guessing (wild guess based on a hunch more than logic I suppose) that u have one letter less than I have in your surname and u live with the Prime Minister?
RR
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Hi,
Came across your page and Lewis Rowland 1872-1907 is my great grandfather. Richardemlyn mentions a possible 10th child for for Lewis and Margaret Rowland and if my memory serves me right I too found this child. However, if my memory serves me right, this child turned out to be the grandson. If you are interested in this child(who was a boy) I am happy to dig out my records.
I will certainly be reading all the information on this page and if I have information that is helpful to anybody I am happy to share.
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Evening Berylwyn,
Nice to read your post, I have my basic tree written down neatly, I would certainly like to compare research with you since nobody else in the family has done this work. The main tree is as per previous post on this thred but I have at least 50 other names of descendants of members of this main tree. I found that my daughter worked with her 2nd cousin but had no idea until she just casually happened to look at some of my scribblings !!!! I have not seen a Beryl Wyn in there yet !!!
I have dates of birth and register office certificate numbers for many in the tree. There is a possibility of one Rowlands having emigrated to America and a possible link to the Rowlands in Liverpool who built the Welsh Streets in Toxteth. There are Rowlands in Holyhead but I havn't yet cracked that line, yet.
There's also a Rowlands who married a Bulkeley, who was related to John of Gaunt who was related to Richard 3rd. There is another one who was born at Plas Penmynydd and possibly related to Henry 8th. The thought of being related to a Plantaganet king and a Tudor king, even though through marrige, is fascinating and of course until proven, is just a theory and only a theory. It would make a great story if true. Also, the name Rowlands does not appear as a written word until 1067, which suggests that we have French blood. There are a number of Lewis's in the tree, Lewis being the French Louie of course.
Can I please post my main tree to you or meet to discuss? I live on Anglesey.
Thanks for reponding.
Richard Emlyn
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Hi Richard,
I have been working on this tree for a number of years with not much information coming forth from the family. My grandmother was the daughter of Lewis Rowlands and Jane Jones who unfortunately died when she was very young. My grandmother Margaret Ellen, married Richard Jones (Rhoscolyn) and moved to Caernarfon, where my grandfather was a policeman. They had two sons, Jack Lewis Jones and Leonard Jone. Jack had 8 children and Len (my father ) had two daughters Beryl Wyn and Ceri Wyn. My oldest cousin is Peter Lewis and his oldest son also carries the Lewis as a middle name.
I would love to meet up with you but unfortunately I live in the South East of England, so if you don't mind sending me your tree I would love to see it. I don't know how this works but in case you need my email address it is email address removed by moderator. My Rowland tree is with Ancestry and if you would like to see it, just send me your email address and I will send you an invite.
Lovely to be in touch with family,
Beryl
There has been a story in my father's family that they were related to the Tudors and that they loaned some money to Henry VII (before he became king) but never received payment back. If it is possible to prove that we are related to him, do you think we have a claim?
I noticed you are in touch with Aled and if he is the same Aled that I been touch with, he has been a great source of help to me with my tree in the past.
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My name is Gillian née Lewis, I lived at Fron Dirion Four Mile Bridge, my grandmother was Mary Owen née Rowlands. Richard Emlyn I remember as a child. I remember my uncle Dick, (Richard Emlyn's grandfather) coming to our house every Sunday for lunch. I used to go to Richard Emlyn's house in Llanfachraeth his father was referred to as Owie spelt wrong I'm sure. Some of the information he has is not correct. My Mother Ann Jane Lewis née Owen, Mary's daughter married to Robert Hughes Lewis ( Bob) lived at Llys Y Gwynt Holyhead. Uncle Dick called my Mother Annie. I remember Sarah Jones lived in Llanfachraeth across the road from the pub. Aunty Sarah had to daughters I know of. My aunty Lal was one, married to Uncle Reg Mennai Bridge. They had two children Eleri and Wynn, I still am in contact with Eleri. Aunty Maggie the other daughter lived near Valley camp and used to shut the gates for the trains to pass without traffic on the road, she was called Maggie crossing by us and lived next to the railway line untile she moved to Valley. Maggie had many children most have passed away but Enid and Peggy are alive,
Enid in Vally and Peggy in Four Mile Bridge. I would dearly love to hear from Beryl Wyn Hughes and Richard Emlyn my email address is email address removed I have started searching the family only a month ago with help from a lady in America who is Welsh. Do Richard Emlyn or Beryl Wyn Hughes know who is the father of Lewis Rowlands 1900 or 1901 mother Mary Owen née Rowlands Fron Dirion. My family lived in Penbontbach up to Fron Dirion We are family. Thank you hoping to hear from you.
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Richard Emlyn can you please contact me your Grandfather was my grandmother brother. I remember you as a child in Llanfachraeth. We used to visit your home with uncle Dick ( Richard Rowlands he lived at Penbontbach ) then at Bontlwyd Or Bontlwyd lwyd I remember being in that house. Your grandfather I last saw in Bryngwran in Mary's house. He was lovely we thought the world of him. My email My Mother is Ann Jane lewis née Owen, uncle Dich called her Annie, my father is Robert Hughes Lewis, (Bob) Llys y Gwynt Holyhead. Would really love to hear from you please. I'm new to all this only been looking a month. You, I'm sure will not remember me, but I remember you and I think a brother? Hope to hear from you Richard Emlyn. I have written to Berylwyn also, hope both of you won't mind. Gill
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Dear Berylwyn and Tallybont,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
We ask members not to publish their email address on the website as once it is public it can be picked up by spammers who then send you spam emails.
The safe way to exchange private information is through the private messaging function, here is a link for help on this http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php Just scroll down until you see the picture of the profile that shows you what button to click on ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Gillian,
This is a surprise, didn't expect you to pop up here but very glad you did. Firstly there are two Emlyn's in the family. The eldest one is the one you remember, Uncle Owie's son who now lives in Wrexham, has two brothers, Wyn who worked in MEM in Holyhead and Alun who runs a garage in Bryngwran. The other Emlyn is me, Richard Emlyn, Dad Lewis and Mother Maggie, lived in Bodffordd and Llangefni, I had an insurance business in Holyhead at the bottom of Holborn Road round the corner from your mum and dad in Rhosygaer Ave, your mum called in to see me almost every morning for 5mins to check if all was well, she was a real 'cymeriad' and always cheerful. Your dad and my dad kept cage birds and I remember calling at Llys y Gwynt when both would talk for endless hours about 'Nicos' and Canaries. There is more I could say to jog your memory but lets see if you remember yourself first. I only found Beryl about 2 months ago via here. Beryl has done a lot of research, more than me but so far we seem to agree and all that we have found plus there are some fascinating possibilities that we need to look at. I'm sure between us we can supply you with quite a lot of info that will save you lots of time. And by the way, do you remember Kenneth, I found him living around 25 miles away from Beryl on the South coast.
Richard Emlyn
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Emlyn of course I know who you are I knew you in your Mother Maggie's tummy, lol we attended your wedding. How's Jenny. Have sent you an email. Spoke to Beryl last night told her I'm the boss as I'm the eldest lol. I have no idea how this roots stuff works so please email me Emlyn same thing I asked Beryl. Can we share please! You didn't mention living in Gwalchmai on the quarry site where you lived in your early life. Sorry never connected you to MY lol lol uncle Dick, do you remember Z the car.
As I said you have a few things wrong, but I'm going on memory.
I have been so blessed with Steve I told you about from Llanddanial Fab,I owe him everything.
If you both want me to see something email please. I will post the photos of gmother and ggmother, one day but right now it's all to much to do, I'm very interested in Trevor Owen my gmothers second husband and his family it so humbling. Not sure if this will go on site. How much time would it take to learn to use Roots..I may not live that long lol ::) ::) ::) Thank you Beryl and Emlyn.
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Hi Richard
You wrote:
I have quite a bit of info on Lewis and Margaret's children, particularly their descendants mainly for Ann Jane who married Fred Mawdsley and had three children, Mary who married a John Williams - one of their children Annie married Bob Lewis and kept the Garreglwyd home in Holyhead
I am helping a LEWIS friend with her tree and we cannot find the marriage of Mary Rowland(s) to John Williams although she appears as a widow and as Mary Williams in the 1911 census, together with her 10 yr old son Lewis Rowlands (father unknown). I HAVE found her marriage in 1917 to Trevor Owen. They had daughter Ann Jane but father Trevor died in 1922.
Can you help us with Mary's first marriage to John Williams? Did they have any children?
Thanks
SUSAN DAVIES
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Susan,
I'm in the middle of something here so this will be a quick reply. John married Mary 26/11/1902 at Hhead Register Office, if you want the Registrar's ref for a certificate its Anglesey West 16,5,9. John's father was also John Williams, Trefadog, Llanfaethlu. Mary's 2nd husband was Trevor Owen b 03/03/1897 Beaumaris 38,14,66 address on wedding day was 1 Cae Mawr Llanddaniel Fab,(son of Thomas Owen and Ann Owen) One of their children was Ann Jane Owen b 02/08/1919 Hen Gapel Llanddaniel who married Robert Hughes Lewis b 26/09/1915, one of their children is Gillian who is Taffy on this thread and lives in Australia. There is more and I'm sure Gillian and BerylWyn will be more than delighted to join in this discussion and may well respond as well as they have more detail info than I have. I think Ann Jane Owen and my dad were cousins so I'm interested in what ur interested in. Can you tell which Lewis ur helping out? Must dash but will check this site later.
Richard Rowlands
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Learning how to use roots chat... new to me...
Thanks for your reply.
I'm helping Gilliam Lewis from Holyhead, now in Australia! I see you two have chatted too.
I've done quite a bit of work for her but she and I are stumped by this first marriage. Thanks for your info on the matter as I was unable to find that marriage.
I'll look for it thank you. Diolch yn fawr iawn!
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Susan,
Nice to hear from you earlier on, sorry it was short and sweet, I'm overloading here but wish more people in the Rowlands line would come on roots.
You should be able to get more from the 1901 Census for John Williams and hopefully take that line back a long way. Happy hunting. There are a couple of others interested in this line and they are very good and very helpful if you need anything. On the lighter side, whatever Gill tells you about me, well, I didn't do half of it. But we both like a good leg pull, you should know what I mean. :) :)
Best wishes, keep in touch.
Richard Emlyn
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Posted on behalf of Berylwyn who had accidentally clicked on the wrong button and sent this message to me. :)
I jumped the gun Aled and should have investigated more before contacting you. It was concerning Robert Jones and what I thought I had seen could have changed our family tree. As you already know Robert Jones, is the son of Edward and Mary and appears in the 1841 census, but I thought I spotted him (wrongly as it turns out) listed as the son of Richard Rowland and his wife in Amlwch (Richard is a new child we have found for Edward and Mary and still investigating.) in the1851 census. It turns out that old age has finally leapt, rather than sneaked up on me and what I thought I had seen in a census, turned out to be a mistake from another tree. They had obviously copied from your tree, but had added Robert Jones as a son to the wrong man and the mistake is being carried on. I wasted hours trying to find the 1851 census again, convinced that's where I had seen his name. How daft is that!
Through this mistake though, I spotted that many people have this Richard Rowland down as the son of Edward Rowland but have not made the connection with the three Rowland's we have in our tree. Richard has checked the birth of this Richard Rowland and has found an entry for him with his parent named as Edward and Mary Rowland. The only problem is, is that he was born in Amlwch, but as we don't know where Mary came from, it could be that she went home for the birth, or was visiting and went into early labour etc.
If you have time, would you go onto my family tree and look at a document that I found and has been added to Edward Rowland for the time being?
Love to hear what you think.
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Thanks Sarah for the re-posting...
update : land tax 1798 Edward Rowland of Pum LLog Trewalchmai (good work Beryl :)... )...
NLW wills 1821 Hugh Griffiths( no relation !!!) of Pum LLog otherwise Sarn Engan...which leads us to...
15 oct 1782 Burgess Roll...Rowland Edwards of Tyddyn Sarn Engan and Edward Edwards of the same...
Something to go on maybe !!!
regards
Aled
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Thanks Aled. I found Edward Edwards in the land tax 1798, after finding Edward Rowland and wondered if they are entries for the same man, Father and Son or two brothers? I need to go back and look through the earlier marriage certificates as I think on one, the father's name appears as Edward Edwards, when all the other information we have, points to a clerical error and it should read Edward Rowland. This may still be the case but I think it is worth looking into again.
best wishes
Beryl
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Hi Beryl, is the address on the land tax for Edward Edwards pum llog ?
It could be that Edward Edwards is the father of Rowland Edwards father of Edward Rowland father of John....time to get searching :)
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Hi Aled, I will check this evening and get back to you. Beryl
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Jenny if you happen to see this, Amazon won't allow me to reply to your email as I am not a member at the moment.
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Dragon T,
Thank you for your information re John Rowlands and Margaret Willimas, Llety Bach and their descendants, I concur with that information and the posting of Owen ap Anglesey 01/01/2015 @ 15:56 concerning their children.
Looking closer at John Rowlands, Llety bach, I have him b Trewalchmai 07/07/1793, d 09/12/1856 at Llety Bach, Rhoscolyn. I am confident from Parish records that his parents were Edward Rowland 1771 - d 20/08/1799, Pumllog, Trewalchmai and Mary Pritchard b 3030/10/1774 Holyhead (possibly to a William Pritchard and a mother Grace) d 12/04/1799 Pumllog, Trewalchmai. Their children according to Parish records were John Rowlands, Llety bach, dates as above, Grace Rowland b 26/08/1795, Pumllog, Trewalchmai and William Rowlands b 30/05/1797 also Pumllog.
As both the parents, Edward Rowlands and Mary d 1799, the 3 children were left orphans. John Rowlands line has been developed extensively via Llety Bach, but I cannot find any trace of his siblings Grace nor William and would really appreciate your thoughts on both.
Thank you
Richard
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Hello Richard,
I've replied by PM
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Hi Richard. there does'nt seem to be a Mary wife of Edward Rowlands noted as being buried in the parish register of Trewalchmai 1799..but for the date you have ie 12th april, a Margaret Rowland is noted..
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...also,your dob for Edward 1771 seems unlikely if you consider the fact that, if the same person, he was noted as early as 1788 in the land tax reg. for pum llog, givng his dob more likely to be in the 1760's....
Land tax Trewalchmai:
Edward Rowland - pum llog - 1788, 90, 93, 94, 95, 96, 98
Rowland Edward - pum llog - 1768, 72, 73
some years in the registers are missing unfortunately, espescially the ones before 1768 which would have been really useful as the next occupant is:
Robert Edward - pum llog - 1746, 53
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....I have'nt been able to find a baptism for Edward, but he is likely to be the son of Rowland Edward whose dob would be c1745, possible mother Elin, noted as being the wife of RE when buried in 1776 gwalchmai..
In the burgess roll of 1782, Rlnd Edrds yeoman of tyddyn sarn engan [pum llog] is listed along with an Edward Edwards of the same..this EE could be our Edward Rowlands, giving a dob of c1761,as he would have to have been at least 21 to be 'rolled'...who knows ??
Interestingly, if we were able to connect Rlnd Edrds to Robert Edward of pum llog 1746, 53 land tax, I believe he could be of the Bodwina and Yspilltir families as in the pedigrees..plenty to search for...
hope this helps...
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I have John Pritchard b 1804 d 1851 at Llety Mawr. Many of their children were named Jones and some Pritchard .... 4 of them died between 1845 and 1853 ... aged between 1 and 12.
What are your names for the family you had there? Was it just Rowlands?
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Hi Carol
I assume that you are connecting with my initial investigation on this topic.
If so my information on this family is as follows.
The John Prichard (1804 - 1851) and Jane Owen (1815 - 1881) had at least six daughters as follows
Elizabeth (1836 - 1878)
Margaret (1838 - 1851) Birth Cert. shows born at Carna Mill, Llanfair yn Neubwll. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Jane (1840 - 1851) Birth Cert. shows born at Tyn y Beudy, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Mary (1843 - 1845) Birth Cert. shows born at Four Mile Bridge, Rhoscolyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Mary (1846 - 1853) Birth Cert. shows born at Llety Mawr, Rhoscolyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen
Elinor (1850 - 1911) Birth Certificate shows born 4th July 1850 at Llety, Rhoscolyn. Father John Prichard, Mother Jane Owen.
Elinor , my Great Grandmother married in Rhoscolyn in 1868 as Elinor Jones and named her father as John Jones.
Also Elizabeth, my Great Grandmother's older sister married in Rhoscolyn in 1860 as Elizabeth Jones and named her father as John Jones.
So I agree that four children died between 1845 and 1853 - Must be the same family - but I am unable to connect to your Rowlands family
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Hi Owen
Its a long story ...... I am related to the Jones line from Gwalchmai...... as well as griffiths etc. I did a DNA test and found matches but we have no definite links but I have added their informstion into my database through our common ancestor and this is how I have the Jones/Pritchard information. I am trying to find links and can only do that by adding any information I get into the database. I do have Rowlands in my lines as well ... Elizabeth Rowlands b 1879 Gwalchmai was my 3rd cousin 2x removed....
Her father was Thomas Rowlands b 1857 Gwalchmai s/o Robert Rowlands 1818 Gwalchmai and Elizabeth Williams 1818.....Her mother was Ann Rowlands b 1856 Gwalchmai d/o William Rowlands b 1832 Gwalchmai and Ann Rowlands b 1833 Frondeg.
Robert 1818 was the s/o Robert Rowlands b 1796 Newborough and Elin Jones b 1795 Gwalchmai.
William 1832 was the s/o Robert Rowlands 1796 Newborough and Elin Jones as well so Robert and Ann were 1st cousins.
Elin Jones was the daughter of my 4x Great Grandfather Hugh Jones b 1770 Gwalchmai
Hope that makes sense :)
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Hi Carol
Unable to link into your Rowlands family.
However the 1841 Rhoscolyn census interestingly shows a John Rowlands aged 45 and his wife Margaret aged 40 living at Llety Bach with four young children - next door to an Elizabeth Prichard at Llety Mawr aged 70 (widowed). This Elizabeth Prichard in my opinion being the mother of our John Prichard who died at Llety in 1851.
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I was hoping I might have that John Rowlands but apparently not. I will keep his details in my note book and see if he pops up at all ... Thanks for the info