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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: alf on Wednesday 15 June 05 12:49 BST (UK)
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I am researching the ORR family of Killinchy, County Down
and would like to make contact with any person who may be connected or can help in any way.
The ORR's that I am interested in came from or has a connection with the following areas. Rainey Island, Ballydrain, Killinchy, Killmood and the Dufferin Arms, Killyleagh & Craigarusky
Just a small family tree
David ORR, DOB 26 July 1839, at Craigrusky married Catherine McCormick born May 1860 on Island Rainey, married at Killinchy Presbyterian Church abt 1885
They had several children
David, born 28 Dec 1891 at Craigrusky and he married Mary Frame from Killinchy and they were married at the same church
they owned and ran the Dufferin Arms, Sheila and Katherine both died of a heart attack in the same room.
James, born 25 Dec 1888, at Craigarusky married Roseanne McCune of Kilmood, born 26 April 1883, and were marrried 1907, Killinchy
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Alf:
If you haven't already, you might want to check Ros Davies'excellent site for Down. She has an extensive listing of Orrs. There are also maps which can help locate townlandsfor you. I am sure you will get some leads. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/Orr.htm
Another site is Caora where you can see head-of-household listings for the 1901 census in Down. http://www.caora.net/find.php
Good luck!
Pat
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Hi Pat
Many thanks for the link. I will have a look at it.
alf
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hi there is a house on the craigarusky rd that was the orrs family home i know of one living relative
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That is correct, May, wife of late Harold Orr, cousin of mine
Could I asked, do you live near to Killinchy Presbyterian Non Subscribing because I am after a favor. I now live in England, and I was not into family history when I lived in Castlereagh. I am looking for some one to do the Monumental Inscriptions for each of the Orr Graves in the Churchyard. there are not many Do not to worry if you can not do it
Regards
Barbara
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Hi,
Catherine McCormick was a sister of my Gt. Grandfather.
As the Orr and McCormick families were members of the Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Church in Killinchy (not the Presbyterian Church) the marriage record for David and Catherine will be in the records of that congregation.
Here are the details off the family gravestone from Clarke's Gravestone inscriptions. There was at least one burial since - Wm. I think he died in the late 1970s but can confirm the exact date.
Killinchy Non-Subscribing Presbyterian Graveyard:
ORR
[In a low railed enclosure,]
In loving memory of Catherine Orr, wife of David Orr, Craigarusky, who died 16th Jan. 1917 aged 58 years
Also their daugther Elizabeth, who died 20th July 1898 aged 13 years.
Also the above David Orr who died 23rd Feb. 1933 aged 94 years.
Also their son Henry who died in Canada 5th June 1954, result of wounds received during 1914-18 war.
Also their son Robert S. who died in Canada 8th Aug. 1965. And his wife Verna, died in Canada 7th Dec. 1962.
Also their son Joseph, died 3rd April 1972. Also his wife Ida, died in U.S.A. 7th Nov. 1962.
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Hi.
Hope the info below is of use to you.
Marriage in Newtownards Registrar's Office, on the 17 December 1857, by James White, Registrar.
Robert Orr, born age 28, a bachelor, a labourer, resided West St., Newtownards.
Father, William Orr, a weaver.
Jane McCune, age 30, a spinster, resided Whitespots, Parish of Newtownards.
Father, Robert McCune, a farmer.
Witnesses, Robert Moore and Sarah Moore.
A few other tit-bits that may be of use.
James Orr married Rosanna McCune, on the 1 May 1908, in Killinchy Non Subscribing Presbyterian Chuch.
David McCune married Barbara McCormick, on the 30 June 1864, in Saintfield 1st Presbyterian Church.
Robert McCune married Ann McCormick, on the 1 September 1866, in Saintfield 1st Presbyterian Church.
John McCormick married Isabella McCune, on the 30 November 1892, in Killinchy Presbyterian Church.
Have a few other McCormicks on computer if you are interested.
Dixie
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Hi Barbara.
Another Orr from the list.
David Orr married Mary Frame, on the 6 April 1917, in Killinchy Non Subscribing Presbyterian Church.
Dixie
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Hi Barbara.
My McCunes as promised on my P.M.
G.Grandfather,
Robert McCune, married Elizabeth ,(Lizzie), Carlile / Carlisle, on the 13 Jan 1891, in Ballygowan Presbyterian Church, by license by T.Woods.
Groom, full age, a bachelor, a tram-driver, resided Belfast.
Father, John McCune, a labourer.
Bride, full age, a spinster, resided Belfast.
Father, John Carlile / Carlisle, a farmer.
Witnesses, Sam McCune and Agnes Stewart.
Children to the above marriage.
1. Sarah Carlisle McCune, born 16 Jan 1892, Belfast. Died, 1893, Belfast.
2. Ellen McCune, born 11 Feb 1893, Belfast. Died, 1978, Belfast.
3. Sarah Carlisle McCune, born 14 Nov 1895, Belfast.
4. William John Carlisle McCune, born about 1904. Died, 1987, Belfast.
5. Robert McCune, born about 1905.
Elizabeth McCune, born 24 Mar 1911, Belfast.
G.G.Grandfather,
John McCune, married Mary Jane Irvine, on the 5 Jan 1850, in the Parish Ch., Church of Ireland, Killinchy, by license by Harry Ward ???.
Groom, age 24, a bachelor, a labourer, resided Killinchy.
Father, James McCune, a weaver.
Bride, age 22, a spinster, a servant, resided Saintfield.
Father, James Irvine, a labourer.
Witnesses, John White and M.A.McClemont.
Children to the above marriage.
1. Eleanor McCune, born 19 Jul 1862, Monlough.
Husband, John Nixon, married 6 Jan 1888, Gilnahirk Presb., Ch.
Children,
1. Jane Irvine Nixon, born 30 Dec 1888, Belfast.
2. Eleanor Nixon, born 4 Mar 1894, Belfast.
2. Levi McCune, born 26 Jul 1864.
3. Richard McCune, born 13 Jul 1866, Monlough.
4. ROBERT McCUNE, born 17 Mar 1869, Tullyhubbert.
5. William McCune, born 19 Jul 1871, Comber.
Still to find the births between the marriage and the first birth I have.
G.G.G. Gather,
James McCune, a weaver.
Children.
1. JOHN McCune, born about 1826.
2. Mary McCune, born about 1838.
Husband, William Boyce. Married, 24 Feb 1857, Ballygowan Presb., Ch.
Child, Jane Boyce, born 9 Apr 1878.
3. Eliza McCune.
Husband, Hugh Jackson, married, 14 Jan 1860, Ballygowan Presb., Ch.
4. Agnes McCune, born about 1825.
Husband, James McMillan, married 10 Aug 1850, Newtownards Reg., Office.
If you are iterested in the McCormick marriages and births, say and I'll post hem.
Regards,
Dixie
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The major source for researching ORRS in the County Down is Ray A. Jones "Ulster Pedigrees. Descendants, in Many Lines, of James Orr and Janet McClement, Who Emigrated from Scotland to Northern Ireland ca. 1607". The title says it all! Jones's book is based on the ORR family-trees drawn up in the 1830s by Gawn Orr of Castlereagh (they were mainly based on headstone inscriptions) and deposited in the Linen Hall library in Belfast. I wrote an article about my own researches which was published in 1988 in FAMILIA, and I counted no fewer than 501 separate surnames in the index to the above book, making it a priceless resource for Co. Down genealogy, especially as many of the headstones read by Gawn Orr have since disappeared. All the names mentioned in postings on this thread, e.g. McCune, McCormick, Frame, are in there somewhere.
Harry
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Just wondering if you have any information on William Boyce who married Mary McCune in 1857. I believe his father was James Boyce, mother unknown, and his brother was John boyce who married Eliza Wallace (my GGG grandparents.
Best Regards,
Shirley Taylor
White Rock, B.C.
Canada
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I don't have any information on BOYCE, but the Orr Pedigrees book mentions a family called McCUNE - no dates, I'm afraid. Hugh McCUNE of Braniel married Mary BLACK of Gortrib and their children were William, James, Hugh, Mary, John, Elizabeth and Robert.
Harry
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Hi.
An update to a previous posting.
And an Orr / McCune marriage.
Regards,
Dixie
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Thank you Dixie and Harry for your replies. I am finding that this site is a treasure trove of information.
I have a few more children for William Boyce and Mary McCune.
Lowry born 1860, he married Jane McCauley in 08 April 1882
his children William 15 july 1882
Mary 19 jan 1885
Ellen 19 jan 1889
Lavinia 30 july 1891
Annie 15 may 1894
Annie?? 5 apr. 1898
Henry (Harry) 07 july 1865
David 05 aug 1868
James Henry 01 may 1871
Mary Ellen 28 mar 1874
Agnes Jane 09 apr 1878
Mary McCune's parents were James McCune and Agnes Lowry married in 1817.
If I find anything else out I will let you know.
Best Regards,
Shirley
White Rock, B.C.
Canada
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hello alf , dont know if this has any link to you , my father had a harry orr in his family . he lived at 45 london st east belfast. married to mary orr. both past away , clandyboy cemetery. near bangor. iam try to find out about them my self. regards william
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hi, i have a mary orr b 1807 married to francis kelly from county Down, they left and lived in scotland for a few years as their daughter was born there in 1848,but was back in bangor down,for there elderst daughter esther to marry alexander cammock in 1859,from bangor down.
does any of these fit in with your orr
thanks karen
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hi karenoz, thanks for your message sorry the harry and mary orr are round the 1920/1980. think i will have to go to the proni when i get back to belfast. again thanks william
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Hi Alf,
My Great Great Great Grandfather Richar Malone married Ann Orr at Inch Parish Church 30.08.1817. Although Richard was a Downpatrick man, Ann came from Ballycoulter as per information on certficates
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Hello,
I've discovered that looking for Orrs in Ireland or Scotland is like looking for Smith families in England.
My interest in the Orr family stems from my Grandfather's employer, Thomas Orr in Lower Hutt, near Wellington, NZ. The Orr family owned a large parcel of land & a (now Historic Trust) large home in Lower Hutt.
When my Gr Father migrated from Kilkeel Co. Down he straight away found work as a market gardener with Orrs. The Patriarch, Robert Orr migrated to NZ in the late 1800s. I have been trying to connect this Orr family to Co. Down, to find the reason why my Grandparents chose NZ over USA, where Grandfather's siblings migrated to. I have a recent posting on this Forum, under the New Zealand section.
The only information I require is Robert Orr's (b abt.1852 - d 1932) birthplace, or record of migration.
Thanks, Valsgirl
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I have a GG Grandmother who was Margaret Orr (b between 1815 and 1826). Said born in County Antrim to a David Orr and Catherine. She married my GG Grandfather John McMullan in Downpatrick, Down in 1845 at St Margaret's (Church of Ireland). They had a Son, Arthur McMullan also baptized at St Margaret's in 1845. (Note: Revised info as of 6/5/2011: A researcher in Ireland has found a new record of this marriage, and it happened at the Church of Ireland Cathedral in Downpatrick, and the date was actually May 2, 1844 not 1845. There were 2 witnesses at the marriage, a Daniel Hurst & a William George Hurst who was also a shoemaker. )
They were said to have lived in Belfast at one time? They emigrated to Quebec between 1845 and 1847.
Would love to know more about any!!
Thanks!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA)
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Dear Tom,
I have no reason to disbelieve what you say, and therefor we are surely related. Margaret Ann Malone Maried Thomas John McMullan in Downpatrick Church of Ireland on 18thJune 1918. Margaret was born 23.09.1892 and died 06.12.1979 while Thomas was born 01.05.1876 and died 31.08.1965.Both are buried in the family plot in the Parish Church where they were married. Margaret Ann was my Grandfathers younger sister. Grandad (Samuel Walmsley Malone) was born 10.10.1889. Hope to hear from you soon cousin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
Richard Malone
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Hi Richard
Great to hear from you!!! I sent you a private message here at rootschat
Look forward to finding out more!!
Thanks!! Cousin Tom
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Hello,
Any chance of some help please, I have Thomas Orr 1837 Ireland & Matilda Orr 1845 Ireland.
I found the following marriage on an old cached website: a pictorial history by Derek Beattie - Stevenson Family www.newtownards.info/family-stevenson.htm.
"Stevenson, Matilda - 12th. July 1867 - {Father John Stevenson a weaver} - Married Thomas Orr - {Father William Orr a shoemaker} Witnessed by James and Margaret Dalzell"
Thomas and Matilda appear to of had a their first son William John Orr in 1870 Devonport, Plymouth, Devonshire, England.
I'm Struggling to locate Thomas and his father William and Matilda and her father John in the 1841 census.
Any information or pointers regarding researching this family would be much appreciated.
Regards
Adrian
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Son William John was baptised 1869-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPNW-WYG
The first complete census for Ireland is 1901- only fragments of earlier ones for a few places survive.
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Son William John was baptised 1869-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPNW-WYG
The first complete census for Ireland is 1901- only fragments of earlier ones for a few places survive.
Thank you Aghadowey,
How would I go about trying to locate Thomas orr, I am sure he was born 1837 in Newtownards, Down, as this is shown in his military records and I think his family were Presbyterian, And I have his fathers name from the marriage, but what I don't know is how and where to find records pulling this together?
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Only 'birth record' will be his baptism (if it exists but many records not online).