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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Lisa in California on Tuesday 12 November 13 21:46 GMT (UK)
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Is it possible, please, to "reverse/flip" the following photo, to have the lady looking to her right? I would like to compare her photo to another photo and it might help to reverse her image. Thank you. Lisa
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Lisa,
Here you go:
Trystan
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I wasn't sure if it was possible to do that. ;)
Excellent. Thank you so much for your help! It certainly does help to flip the image.
Thank you,
Lisa
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Lisa,
No problem at all - it was only a quick click to do it. :)
Trystan
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Sorry, one last question, in case anyone might know, please?
Was is somewhat common for photos from that era to have women appear to have one arched eyebrow? I don't have many old photos, but in no other photos are eyebrows so different from each other. Thank you.
PS Thank you, trystan. I had difficultly getting the photo on RootsChat. ;) Not a tech-y person at all.
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Lisa,
Sorry to hear you had problems getting your photo onto RootsChat (it's mainly the size thing that messes things up) - but well done on doing it!
From what I understand the exposure time was long at the time because the photographic plates were not very sensitive. They would have to have stayed very still while the photograph was taken.
I'm not sure if somebody would have raised an eyebrow in a photograph if they had to stay still for a while? (Perhaps somebody can help us out here?)
Also, bear in mind that as I've inverted the image then the raised eyebrow would be the other way around.
Trystan
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Hi Trystan:
RootsChat has excellent instructions; it's operator error. ;D
A kind RootsChatter found a possible sister of Dora (from above photo). Now that you've flipped my photo, it is easier to compare the two women. They both have one arched eyebrow and a similar mouth and upper lip area. If a raised eyebrow wasn't a common thing, then the women did have similar features. If arching an eyebrow happened more often than not, then only the mouth and upper lip are similar. (I didn't want to post the photo of the possible sister without permission, as it was found on one of the pay sites.)
Thank you for your explanation. It is appreciated.
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That's really interesting - it appears that the lower bottom lip is low at the same side as the high eyebrow. :-\
Trystan
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It's the same thing in the other photo. Perhaps they might be sisters; perhaps they just look alike due to the era. At the moment, it appears that both women are not related, but the photos are intriguing.
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Actually, this is a mid 1880s photo and by that time the emulsions were good enough that shutter speed was only a fraction of a second. So whatever shows in the photo is most probably the natural feature of the sitter.
Cheers,
China
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Hi China:
The couple in the photo were married in 1888, and my mum and I were just discussing when the photo might have been taken (possibly before their marriage, or shortly after).
Thank you for letting me know about it being a possible feature of the sitter. I haven't yet been able to figure out if my ancestor was related to the lady in the other photo, nor rule out that she wasn't. But, I appreciate hearing that it probably was a natural feature. :)
Thank you,
Lisa
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I was wondering if this photo of Mary Matilda Stewart could be dated. Thank you.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat...You need to start a "New Topic" from the button at the top right of the board.
Carol
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Thank you, Carol.
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Good morning. I'm a new user on Rootschat, so please accept my apology, in advance, for my lack of skills. A friend asked if I would share my photograph on this website. The photograph is of my great grandmother, Mary Matilda Stewart (Stuart) b1847-d1929. I believe she was born in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada, although she spent most of her adult life operating a market garden in Lambton Mills, York West, Ontario, Canada, with her 7 surviving children after she was widowed. She is buried at St Georges on the Hill, in Islington, Ontario. I believe both of her parents were from Ireland. My father never met his grandmother since she died in Ontario a few weeks after his birth in Manitoba, Canada; however, her picture always hung in our farmhouse. I was wondering what you would need to attempt to date this photo. Thank you for your help.
Loriann
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Hello Loriann & welcome
I can tell you this is Edwardian & probably the second half 1905-10 & probably closer to 1910.
jim
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I know this has already been done for you but just wanted a go:
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Jim, thank you for the information you added regarding my photograph; I very much appreciate it! Have a wonderful day.
Loriann
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Yes, my first thought was about 1910ish, and the matte and frame are typical of this period as well.
Cheers,
China
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Hi RootsChatters:
I asked lclayton if she could post her photo of Mary Matilda Stewart on "my" thread, as we believe her Mary and my Dora (the lady in my photo) were sisters.
If possible, if any of our wonderful RootsChatters could give their opinions of:
the date of lclayton's photo, please (and possibly, how old she looks)
if they think the two women in the photos look alike (or, it's just wishful thinking on my part).
My photo was taken in Toronto, Ontario, we believe c1888. Dora, the lady in the photo, was born c1861.
Hi japeflakes, thank you for posting your image. It is very much appreciated. :)
The Stuarts are my latest brickwall. ;) I will check back here later today. (Just starting work, now.) Thank you.
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I just saw that lclayton posted her photo on a new topic, so we now know an approximate date of the photo.
If anyone could give their opinion of the similarities (could the women be related), that would be wonderful. Thank you. :)
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Hi Lisa:
Each woman's right eyebrow and right eye seem the same to me. I'd say its either the same woman or a relation. The mouth also seems similar.
sami
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I don't think this lady looks to be 63...more 43...just my opinion....My Father appeared to raise one eyebrow higher than the other but no-one else in the Family has it.
I don't see a likeness to this lady:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667921.10
Carol
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Hi sami:
Thank you for your thoughts. There are too many similarities (census returns, etc.) between the women to believe they aren't sisters, but anything is possible, and I continue to try to find proof.
This is the other thread, with more detail about Mary Matilda:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=674860.0
Thank you, sami, for contributing.
Lisa
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Loriann and I believe her greatgrandmother and my greatgrandmother were sisters. While there are a lot of similarities between the families (census returns, burial places, information from certificates, etc.), because their surname was somewhat common, we do not yet have proof of their connection.
This is the thread that I started, with my ggm's photo:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=667921.0
My ggm was born c1860 in Lambton Mills; she is buried in St. George's on the Hill. I have found my ggm and her parents on Ontario census returns, starting in 1861. They lived in Etobicoke, Ontario in 1861 and 1871. Mary Matilda is not living with my ancestors in 1861. Our ggm's parents had the same names. There are other connections between the families.
If we can eventually prove that our ggm's were sisters, it might further our research. Thank you for reading this.
PS Thank you jim, China and Carol for your thoughts.
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Dose this help in any way?
bowman
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Hi Lisa, was Stewart the maiden name?
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Loriann, you should have said this was the possible sister...we sometimes get a first-time poster who plants a photo in someone else's thread because they don't understand how the site works :D
I'll ask a mod if they could merge the threads.
By golly there's a resemblance, isn't there. The lips are the same, the very pronounced philtrum (the little ridges between the lips and nose) and of course that odd eyebrow.
What part of Saint John did they live in? Were they there at the 1861 census? Any clues at PANB?
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Yes, thank you Jim, Carol, China and Lisa. China, Mary Matilda's maiden name was indeed Stewart (often spelled Stuart, depending on the document) as was Dora Emmeline's. Dora married William Mumford. One other research thread we were pursuing concerns Mary Matilda's daughter Annie Louise Clayton, b1879 in York County, Ontario. I believe that Lisa has confirmation that Dora had a sister named Elizabeth Stewart born in Lambton Mills, York, Ontario, Canada in 1859. Elizabeth Stewart married Walter S Craig (or Craik) September 30, 1880 in Toronto, York County, Ontario, and I believe Walter and Elizabeth Craig adopted Mary Matilda's daughter Annie Louise Clayton. In the 1891 Census of Canada, Annie is listed at the adopted daughter of Walter Craig, head of household. In the 1901 Census of Canada, Annie Clayton is listed as the niece of widowed head of household Elizabeth Craig. In the 1881 Census of Canada, Annie is listed as the daughter of (and residing with) Charles and Mary Clayton. I also have a photograph of James Stewart Clayton, b 1876 in Lambton Mills, the sibling born immediately before Annie Louise; however, there are three men in the photograph, and I don't know which one is James. I would be glad to post the photo if anyone thinks it might be helpful. I'm just wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to proceed with the research attempting to link these women. I apologize this comment is not concise. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the feedback China. I'm so "new" at this, I'm still learning protocol, learning this site, and learning what information is and isn't helpful. Of course, it should go without saying that it's important to mention possible connections. Sorry, I won't make that mistake again. ;) I haven't been able to find any documents for Mary Matilda before she moved to Ontario and soon married. I've listed my sources on my tribal pages site, and I'd be glad to share any of that information that you might find helpful. I also have a public tree on Ancestry without as much detail on individuals and lines. I'm sorry, what is PANB?
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A huge thank you to the person (bowman) that pasted Mary Matilda Stewart's photo next to Dora Emmeline's photo; that was very helpful, indeed!
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Hi bowman:
The image is a bit spooky, but very much appreciated! I tried to place the photos next to each other for comparison, but placing Mary's image so close to Dora's does help.
China, like Loriann, I cannot find the Stuarts/Stewarts/Stewards arriving in North America (which is not unusual). There is a James and Sarah Steward on the 1851 Chinguacousy, Ontario census with their daughters - we believe they are Mary Matilda's family. I cannot find this family group after the 1851 census (Mary and her sister, Margaret, are living in different households, as domestic help, I believe). In 1861, my James and Sarah Stuart/Stewart ancestors appear, living in Etobicoke. Only two of their daughters' names match two from the 1851 census, but the years of birth are off. Not unusual - but surprising, since the children were quite young in 1851 (how do you make a mistake when the youngest is about 2 years old).
I have a thread on the Canada board (about the two Stuart families) and have received amazing help from RootsChatters regarding the Stuarts. One RootsChatter has been helping me through pm's and she has uncovered quite a bit.
When I started researching, I only knew about Dora. As it turns out, she may have had 8 or more siblings and possibly her father had at least 4 brothers and 2 sisters. I am now finding this ancestor's family quite interesting as more and more similarities and possible relatives keep popping up!
Break over, back to work...
PS Thank you to everyone for their interest and help. :)
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Okay so the Stewarts were in Ontario by 1851? Then they wouldn't have been in Saint John in 1861, likely :P :D
Finding someone in Saint John in 1861 is difficult because most of the Saint John returns were lost.
PANB is the NB provincial archives. Sometimes very useful, especially the newspaper announcements because civil registration didn't begin there until I think the mid 1880s. Not as bad as Quebec, though :P
http://archives.gnb.ca/Archives/Default.aspx?culture=en-CA
BTW, have you checked Quebec? It's definitely on the way from Saint John to Ontario. Hard to avoid, even if they wanted to :)
Cheers,
China
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Hi China:
Sorry for the confusion. The first official record of the Stuarts was the 1851 Chinguacousy, Ontario census. It has Mary's family on it (parents were: James and Sarah Steward). Mary was born in New Brunswick (possibly St. John) c1844.
My Stuarts (James and Sarah) were on the 1861 census, Etobicoke, Ontario. Chinguacousy was either bordering Etobicoke or Etobicoke was actually a section of Chinguacousy (my notes are at home).
I can continue the explanation when I get home. :)
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One of the reasons why we believe Dora and Mary were sisters:
1851 Chinguacousy, Ontario, Canada census
James Steward, Cooper, born Ireland, Wesleyan Methodist, age 35
Sarah Steward, born Ireland, Wesleyan Methodist, age 32
Living with them (most likely their children): Ann, Mary, Margaret, Jane, Sarah
The parents and all of the girls are shown as being born in Ireland. A mistake, or were they really all born in Ireland.
One male child died during 1851, 11 months old
1861 Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada census
James Stuart, Cooper, born Ireland, Ch of England, age 46
Sarah Stuart, born Ireland, Ch of England, age 43
Living with them (most likely their children): Jane, Sarah, Elizabeth, Dorendo, Louisa, Infant (female)
In 1861, Mary Steward(t) appears to be living in Toronto, Canada with a baker and his family. No occupation is given for Mary.
In 1861, Margaret Steward/Stuart appears to be living in Etobicoke with an innkeeper/farmer and his family. She is shown as a servant. Also shown as a servant is a James Stuart, age 17. We had not heard of him prior to last week.
If the majority of those reading this thread do see a resemblance between the women, it is one more connection between the families. Again, a lot of (additional) information has been uncovered about the family members. ;)
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Adding a final note about this topic:
During the time of this thread, a kind RootsChatter was helping me with the Stuarts. She found information that linked the two Stuart women that made it just about impossible for them not to be related.
This week's news: I finally took a DNA test (after thinking about it for one year). I received my results a few days ago. lclayton appeared in the "3rd cousin" category in my results; we are related. The two women in this posting were sisters. :)
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Nice to have that confirmed. Thank you for letting us know.
sami
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Adding a final note about this topic:
During the time of this thread, a kind RootsChatter was helping me with the Stuarts. She found information that linked the two Stuart women that made it just about impossible for them not to be related.
This week's news: I finally took a DNA test (after thinking about it for one year). I received my results a few days ago. lclayton appeared in the "3rd cousin" category in my results; we are related. The two women in this posting were sisters. :)
Success....so pleased for you and thanks for the update...I love a happy ending ;D
Carol