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Title: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Saturday 30 November 13 14:12 GMT (UK)
Hi all,
I am researching this family who have set me a few problems re marriage and deaths.
John Godsil married Mary Conway?born Limerick where?possibly 1880s marriage
John was described as a Bandmaster on one of his childrens birth certs,Military connection?

1901 Census of 7 Whelans Row[Monasterevan,Kildare
Mary Godsil age 35 born Limerick a widow.
Children
Mary Kate born 1887 Kilkenny
Elizabeth born main st Youghal 1889
Josephine born Cork 1891
Amelia born Youghal 1892
Adeline born Clifden reg dis Galway 1895
William born Thurles Tipperary 1897
Beatrice born Kilkenny 1899
Teresa born Athy 1901 died Dublin South 1902?
John Michael born?appears on Letterfrack school register 1894 son of Bandmaster no other details

The daughter Elizabeth married,Irish Genealogy 1911 says Elizabeth Godrie,Timothy McDonnell and its from this marriage that i could verify the parents but not down as deceased Curragh Kildare.
Between 1901 and 1911 the family must have been in dire circumstances as when i searched 1911 census i found
Adeline at Sisters of Charity Industrial school Friarshill,Roscommon,
Wm Godsil at Sisters of charity Brunswick st .Dublin.
Amelia at Iona Drive Glasnevin a nurse
Elizabeth wrongly transcribed as Godail 72 Charlemont St.
No sign of the other siblings or deaths,their father John must have died 1900 as Teresa born 1901
and no sign of the mother
A further search of marriages revealed a marriage in St Patricks Church,Morristown Butler,Kildare June 23 1909
of a Mary Godsil nee Cooney?a widow to John Foster widower a gardener giving her fathers name as Daniel Cooney.

I have no doubt its the same person but why Cooney not Conway as on birth and marriage of Elizabeth.
1911 census of  no 11 Ballysaxhills,Ballysax East,Kildare Shows
John Foster 55 a gardener born Queens
Mary Foster born Limerick
John Foster age 1 born Dublin.

Any advice on how to research the father John if military or the missing siblings would be greatly appreciated.
Regards Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 30 November 13 21:49 GMT (UK)
Hi There

Bridget is down as B in Cabragh Dublin on the 1911 census !

Tara
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 30 November 13 22:09 GMT (UK)
Who's Bridget?
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: taramcdsmall on Saturday 30 November 13 22:14 GMT (UK)
Ooops that should be BEATRICE !

Tara
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: gaffy on Sunday 01 December 13 08:53 GMT (UK)
Sadly, it looks like a possibility that Amelia was killed as a civilian in London during WW2 (this may corroborate the Mary Godsil to Foster marriage):

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3132209/GODSIL,%20AMELIA

Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: gaffy on Sunday 01 December 13 09:46 GMT (UK)

The sense I'm getting is that the family may have faced a catastrophic challenge after John's death just prior to the 1901 census record, is this a possibility for Teresa?


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FTXK-JPG
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 10:29 GMT (UK)
Thank you to Luimneach and Gaffy for P Ms a ,a lot of food for thought there.
Gaffy your a Jewel many thanks you've discovered some great findings that i would never have uncovered,yes that marriage in Leitrim is a bit of a head wrecker maybe she died and he later took up with Mary Conway/Cooney,probably never get to the bottom of it,any way thanks for all your sterling work.
Tara thank you too,i dont know how i missed Beatrice as i searched under Godsil,Godsel,Godsill and Godsell think i spend too much time on here and the brain is going off to la la land.
Seems that Beatrice was at St Vincents Convent or the North Dublin Union Auxiliary in Cabragh run by the sisters of charity under sister Margaret Galvin.
Thank you all really appreciated.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 December 13 11:16 GMT (UK)
Gaffy your a Jewel many thanks you've discovered some great findings that i would never have uncovered,yes that marriage in Leitrim is a bit of a head wrecker maybe she died and he later took up with Mary Conway/Cooney,probably never get to the bottom of it,any way thanks for all your sterling work.
What marriage in Leitrim?

Josephine living in England in 1911- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XW5Y-PB2
Possible marriage? Josephine V. Godsil (1937 Dartford, Kent) George F. Richardson

Possible marriage for Adeline? Adeline M.J. Godsil (1928 Lambeth) George G. Pike

Possible marriage for Beatrice? Beatrice F. Godsil (1931 Eltham, Kent) William O. Jones

Confirmation that mother Mary Foster was alive 1941 (and that her husband died before that)-
1941 GODSIL Amelia of 14 Raddington-road London W.10 spinster died 4 October 1940 Administration Llandudno 30 September [1941] to Mary Foster widow. Effects £276 17s 6d.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 12:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks a lot Aghadowey never thought of looking for them there,thats another few strings to the bow.
Regards Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 12:41 GMT (UK)
hmmm i wonder burial Glasnevin Mary Foster 1943 age 78.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 13:27 GMT (UK)
done an alphabet check on address for above got A B D I L N S T U V
Cross referenced with 1939 register of electors Mary Foster at 50 Charlemont st.
Also a Mary Foster at Sullivan St so that eliminates the Mary i'm looking for.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 01 December 13 13:49 GMT (UK)
Hi There

I could be wrong but I would aay it could be a simple case of John Godsill dying leaving his widow with a lot of young children. She probably tried to manage for a few years until she met her second husband whom may not have wished to rear the children and hence them being sent to institutions. Ee John Gidsill Jr ..... there is a JG aged 11 in Townparks in Galway which is another institution, given that he was in Letterfrack Galway at one point this MAY be a possibiluty for him.

The girls appeared to have made lives for themselves in England so I'm hoping there were good outcomes to their lives after the institutions.

Have you tried following up on children Mary had with her second husband ?

Tara
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 December 13 13:52 GMT (UK)
If important details are sent by PM and not posted on the topic then it's really not fair to those trying to help. Therefore, I will not be posting the information I found which could be about a first marriage for John Godsil and John Godsil's father.

Freeman's Journal, 8 Sept.1881:
Bandmaster, first class solo cornetist is open to engagement; splendid testimonials. Apply, at once, to J. Godsil, B M, Capel street, Athenry.

Did find a few advertisements for John Godsil-

Freeman's Journal, 23 Sept.1898:
Bandmaster desires engagement with brass, reed, or string band; house required for self and family. Address Mr. Godsil, bandmaster, Ormonde road, Kilkenny. [also 21 Sept.1898]
next notice-
Bandmaster; wanted immediately, Bandmaster for a Brass Band; must be good cornet player; a young man preferred. Address Jno Magennis, hon sec, St John's Brass Band, Kilkenny.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 December 13 13:56 GMT (UK)
Wonder if politics was behind John wanting to leave Athenry in 1881?
"On the 7th of Febraury 1880 in the Galway Vindicator  newspaper, it was reported that  a public meeting was held in Athenry on Sunday for the purpose of establishing a local branch of the National Land League.
   There was a large attendance. A substantial platform was erected in the chapel yard  and the Athenry Brass Band at the beginning and termination of these orderly proceedings discoursed in the practiced style some likely, soul stirring airs."
http://athenrylocalhistory.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/athenry-land-league-coming-soon.html
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 December 13 14:06 GMT (UK)
For reference- J.G. in Town Parks in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Galway_West_Urban/Town_Parks/1375699
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: hasta on Sunday 01 December 13 16:38 GMT (UK)
If you do the Kildare Observer free search on Freemans Journal you will find an article his death in printed 3rd  Sept 1901
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/
(thanks to Sinann who originally posted the link on the Kildare board)
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 17:10 GMT (UK)
You little daisy Hasta thats brill ,you would'nt believe it but i tried his name for the Kildare Observer last week and nothing came up for him,i just cant understand that i tried under four different spellings,must have done something wrong.
Muucho thanks.
Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 17:22 GMT (UK)
Hasta i searched under Godsil on its own and got another hit for 2nd June 1900 where there was a bit of competition between two brassbands both trained by John Godsil.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 18:26 GMT (UK)
Sorry Tara for not answering sooner was just a bit excited at all the great finds thanks for finding Beatrice,i have not tried to follow up on any Foster children as i'm a bit lost after 1911 but i doubt if there was any more after John due to her age.
Regards Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: taramcdsmall on Sunday 01 December 13 18:52 GMT (UK)
No Probs

This might be just coincidental but in 1901 a Thomas Frederick Godsell aged 35 died in Kildare and was in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers. He is buried in the Curragh. His will is on the national archives and his widow and children are on the census. Sorry I'm on an old phone that won't let me attach links.

Just wondering given similar age, occupation and county of death might they be related ?

Tara
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 December 13 19:38 GMT (UK)
If you do the Kildare Observer free search on Freemans Journal you will find an article his death in printed 3rd  Sept 1901
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/
(thanks to Sinann who originally posted the link on the Kildare board)

I though John Godsil should have appeared in the 1901 census (date was 31 March 1901) and that Mary shouldn't have been listed as a widow until I realised there's a mix up with the day & month and John died just before the census was taken- the obituary does say that he died 27 February so the issue of the paper was probably 9 March.
I am, however, struggling to find a death registration so that we'll have an idea of his age/when he was born.

Wonder if this is the cemetery (based on his residence)- if not there are lots of others listed on the site-
http://kildare.co/Graveyard-Details.asp?ID=K178
http://kildare.co/Kildare-Graveyards-by-Parish.asp
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 19:51 GMT (UK)
Yes Aghadowey you've come up trumps again ,i would have no doubt that this is the graveyard referred to in the article and its in Monasterevan so Passlands it must be.
many thanks Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 01 December 13 20:20 GMT (UK)
According to this there is / was a list of graves available for 3 euro
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/your-community/district-notes/monasterevin-1-3840638
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 01 December 13 20:47 GMT (UK)
Considering the family circumstances there might not be a gravestone for John.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 01 December 13 20:57 GMT (UK)
most likely no headstone but i will have a browse on that tomorrow eyes too tired now
Regards Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 04 December 13 14:13 GMT (UK)
Sinann thanks for that info on the booklet i have tried contacting Monasterevan Historical Society by e mail but it keeps bouncing back the e mail address was for 2008 that i got from their site,wonder would you know an up to date address or postal address that i could contact with view to purchasing a copy of that booklet by post.
Thanks again Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 04 December 13 14:58 GMT (UK)
I don't but I just sent an e mail to the Parish Office, fingers crossed.
If no go there I'll see if my local heritage people have any contact address for them.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 04 December 13 15:40 GMT (UK)
excellent thank you.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 05 December 13 14:45 GMT (UK)
Got a reply Dathai, they are happy to post one for 7 euro, not sure if you are in Ireland or UK. If UK I can send for it and send it on if you are happy to exchange address's. PM me.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 08 December 13 09:16 GMT (UK)
From the Kildare Observer i have established using various different spellings of John seniors name that he may have been involved in the Edenderry Home Rule Society also found this on England and Wales census 1901
J Godsil age 18 born Ireland 1883,Residence, Institution ?Army ? Farnham,Aldershot,Surrey.
does any body know if this is referring to the army?
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: hasta on Sunday 08 December 13 15:30 GMT (UK)
Dathai. They are the returns for the 5th Bat. Royal Irish Regiment.
I can't see any records for him joining up with them but he later joins the Scots Guard in Glasgow. He says he is born in Kildare and parents names are John and Mary. Occupation is Shipwright. He married Julia Douglas in Port Glasgow in 1906 and has 3 children Archibold, John and Josephine.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Monday 09 December 13 07:58 GMT (UK)
Hasta thank you very much for that,thats a great bit of info,thanks to Gaffy the scenario is unfolding like this Gaffy said John Godsil a Bandmaster son of Richard married Kate Condron 1882 in Carrick on Shannon and had one son John Richard Godsil in Lismore in1883, this morning i found a death in Youghal for a Catherine Godsil age 20 in 1884 which i will be purchasing to see if its Johns wife,if so John Junior possibly raised by Mary Conway/Cooney.

Hasta again begging your indulgence
Elizabeth Godsil married Timothy McDonnell in 1911 he had an older brother Daniel a van man
on the 1911 Census of Fennels lane Timothy is single and living with his Mother and a cousin? a Patrick Cleary age 21.
Agnes McDonnell their sister Married Alexander Cullen
CWGC shows Patrick [sargeant] Cleary died 5/4/ 1918 no 67251 gunner R F A , D BTY IO7 BDE nephew? of Mrs A Cullen 4 Masterton Lane ,Clarendon st,Calendar of wills  for same shows Daniel McDonnell as executor.
Trying to tie Patrick Cleary into the family,with your knowledge of the forces can you throw any light on this connection.
Regards Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Monday 09 December 13 13:04 GMT (UK)
Just back from G R O and its a yes yes yes.
Marriage in Carrick on Shannon catholic church District of Jamestown 23rd Nov 1882
John Godsil Bandmaster, Carrick on Shannon, son of Richard schoolmaster to
Kate Condron, housemaid,Carrick on Shannon,dtr of John Condron carpenter.
birth
1st Sep 1883 at West St ,Tullow,Waterford.
John Richard Godsil of John Godsil,Bandmaster and Catherine Condron.
Death
12th Oct 1884 Youghal ,Catherine Godsil age 20 married wife of John Godsil,Bandmaster, ,Gastricity?information received from Richard Rice, Coroner,Co Cork.Inquest held 14th Oct 1884.dated 21st Oct 1884.
so at this stage he has an 11 month old son to look after and his next known child Mary Kate is born in Kilkenny 1887.

Any one know the dates for the church records of the Jamestown District re the marriage to possibly get his mothers name.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Monday 09 December 13 16:27 GMT (UK)
Cant believe this Elizabeth Godsil's husband Timothy McDonnell killed on the Somme 9/9/1916.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: hasta on Monday 09 December 13 18:34 GMT (UK)
I had a look for service records for Patrick Cleary and Timothy McDonnell but no luck I'm afraid, just their medal cards which don't have any more info on them. Found the will of Timothy McDonnell on the NAI
http://soldierswills.nationalarchives.ie/reels/sw/McDonnellT_E370442.pdf
Mentions a J Godsil - Scots Guards and a ? Cleary RFA
 

Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: hasta on Monday 09 December 13 18:48 GMT (UK)
Just checked the service number of Scots Guard John Godsil who says he is born in Kildare.
(but may be the John Richard born in Waterford) It is 10869 which matches the note in Timothy McDonnell's will. He at least did survive the war.  :) When I was looking yesterday the family seemed to have relocated to Kent area as found death records of John, Julia and Archibold Godsil in the are but that's just a guess really without certs.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Monday 09 December 13 19:46 GMT (UK)
Well i dont think its a bad guess as Aghadowey found two marriages for his sisters in Kent so they may have stayed in the same locality. The J Dunne connection could be through Timothey's mother Bridget McDonnell nee Dunne, see a death for a J Dunne on CWGC Canadian forces at Ypres 17/06/16 but no next of kin mentioned also the Cleary mentioned has same number as Patrick Cleary. so definately connected somehow.
many thanks againDathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 10 December 13 13:16 GMT (UK)
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this post,it has been an amazing journey all over Ireland and across the sea tracing this mans family,from the Home Rule agitation of the 1880s to the Green Fields of France in WW1, i found it utterly fascinating and both sad at the same time,though i am not a relative doing this for a friend i wont forget this one for a long time.
Regards Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 March 14 23:19 GMT (UK)
Just found out recently that Timothy McDonnell went to France in Dec 1915 so decided to do a search for children in the G R O Indexes between 1911 and 1916 and found two but talk about mistranscriptions
Timothy jnr born March 1912 mothers name Lizzie Galden 3 Gannons Lane ,father Timothy, a Vanman.
Amelia born Jan 1915 mothers name Lizzie Godsin 26 Charlemont St.father Timothy a Vanman.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Monday 03 March 14 23:31 GMT (UK)
Hasta
          would you know if Timothy's family would have received any medals after his death,i see the battle for Ginchy took place on the date of his death so this is probably where he fell.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: taramcdsmall on Tuesday 04 March 14 21:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Dathai

So, where do you stand with this search now ?

Is it just medals that you are asking re or is there another search that you need help with ?

Let me know !

Tara
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 05 March 14 08:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Tara
          Thanks for the interest,i had been doing this for an in law of one of Timothy's descendants and obviously his children would like to know their mothers side of the family as very little was known of him as Timothy went to war in 1915 as you can see both children were under four when he died.
They did'nt know he went to war so i was curious to know would the Wife have received any posthumous medals for him or could they still be applied for if she had not,who's to know it was 100 years ago.
As for any further research on the family we would be touching on living people and thats a no no on here.
Thank you anyway for all your help on various topics.
Cheers
Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: taramcdsmall on Wednesday 05 March 14 16:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Dathai

As far as I'm aware, the medals that he was awarded would have been sent to his next of kin !

Usually when a person died during the war you don't see their draft cards on ancestry but for some reason my great grandmother's brother's DID show up (disappeared off their records shortly after so I was SOOO lucky that I had printed them off. Anyway, there was a LOT of pages attached to it re all the correspondance sent to his mother re sending her the medals so I presume the same would have been done for Timothy's family.

BTW my Great Grandad would have been with Timothy at the same time as he was in the Royal Irish Rifles at the same time as Timothy. My Great Grandad survived though thank goodness.

Tara
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: hasta on Sunday 09 March 14 22:04 GMT (UK)
Sorry Dathai, only just saw your question.
 Not a great authority, but yes his medals would have been sent to his next of kin - and we know they had correct details from the CWGC page.

Just going back to John Godsil - I found another little bit of info on him that I never posted. (Sorry!)
20/9/1898 he is in Ormond Road, Kilkenny and summoned to the petty courts charged with failure to respond to a Notice to Quit the house because of non payment of rent of 4/6 per week. This ties in perfectly with the adverts he placed in the newspaper that aghadowey posted a few pages back for the  21st and 23rd of September looking for a new job and home. He was fined £19 17s 7d plus costs of £4 10s - I'd imagine that was a very hefty amount back then.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 11 March 14 14:35 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the added info Hasta makes it all more interesting and yes that would have been a hefty sum back then.

Cheers
Dathai.
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Saturday 12 November 16 20:48 GMT (UK)
Have since found Mary Foster died in Kevin St ,Hospital 1943 from 50 Charlemont St age 78
not buried in Glasnevin

John Godsil jnr was lucky to survive the war in France as he was shot in the back on 27 Sep 1915
he has been there from 6th March 1915 till 25th Oct 1916
home
and then back to France 9th June 1917 till 17th Oct 1919
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Saturday 19 November 16 22:27 GMT (UK)
Have since found that Patrick Cleary had 3 Siblings
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/38163/CLEARY,%20P

Patrick born 1890 in 28 Bishop St parents Patrick Cleary and Mary McDonnell
John    born 1892 in 23 Lr Stephen St
Laurence born 1893 same address
Mary Josephine in 1896 in 1 Blackpitts
between 1896 and 1901 i cannot find any obvious deaths for the parents nor obvious census return either.

But in 1901 Laurence and John are in a childrens home
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Molesworth_Street__Part_/1309262/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Molesworth_Street__Part_/1309263/

I cannot find any thing on them after this date
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Saturday 19 November 16 23:14 GMT (UK)
12th Feb 1907 Patrick attested to the Militia as 6910
employer Mr McDonnell 16 Charlemont Street
Age 17 yrs 6 months signed up for six years 19th Feb 1907
Height 5ft 5, Weight 110lbs ,Complexion Fresh,Eyes Hazel,Hair Dk Brown
surprisingly he was discharged 5 weeks later deemed as unfit.

Timothy McDonnell
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/802588/McDONNELL,%20TIMOTHY
Timothy attested Reserve Militia R D F  7764 on 7th Oct 1907 for 6 years
next of kin Mother Bridget ,3 Gannons Ctgs
Occ Van Boy
Age 17 yrs 6 months
Height 5ft 4,Weight 105lbs,Complexion Fresh,Eyes Grey,Hair Black

Discharged free 20th June 1908 after 182 days,character good
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Wednesday 21 December 16 11:27 GMT (UK)
Just found Laurence Cleary born 11/11/1893
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7993024

http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=cleary&srch_forename=laurence&srch_identityno=&srch_yob=&submit=Search

from a PM i got from Prozac he may have been in Suffolk
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Thursday 22 December 16 07:29 GMT (UK)
Does anyone know if there were home children sent to America.
Laurence Cleary was in the Prevention of cruelty to children's home in 1901 in Dublin (see reply 46 above)with his brother John now it looks like he was in Manhattan,New York by 1910 as a boarder.
I did a search 4 yrs either side of his birth 1893 and it seems he is the only one of that name born in Ireland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MP1F-TST
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Saturday 24 December 16 10:45 GMT (UK)
Answered on America board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=761568.0
Title: Re: John Godsil ,Bandmaster.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 19 November 17 12:05 GMT (UK)
Looks like Mary Godsil's second husband John Foster died 1933 age 78 in Ballysax the informant was his son John 357 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1933/04867/4316014.pdf
his son John seems to have stayed in same area and married in 1934 to Elizabeth Elliott
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1934/08965/5244955.pdf
noteing that this may have been a double wedding as Elizabeth Elliott's sister Bridget married Charles Monaghan same day and each couple signed as witnesses on each others weddings